Electric cars

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Anonymous wrote:Oh yes, so reliable. Look how much range all these cars lose in the winter:

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Mach E loses like 15% of its range in the winter after driving only 88 miles for a a battery with about 200+ miles of range. My parents live 110 miles away. That means if I had a Mach E, I'd lose about 10-20% of range going one way in the winter to see them and may barely make it there if you hit a snarl of traffic. I'd have to charge it 2-3x for hours on end in the winter if I wanted to go visit the rents, assuming I could even find a charger on the way they wasn't even broken and wouldn't require significant detours. I know for a fact though that there are multiple Tesla charging stations evrywhere along the same way that would make the trip not troublesome like it would be in a Mach E or some other brand. This isn't also considering the fact that most manufacturers say you shouldn't charge to 100% in order to prolong battery life.

EVs other than Teslas are not viable because there is no viable charging infrastructure, they lose tons of range in the winter, and it is harder to plan longer distance trips in large protons of the country.

This is changing really quickly. In part because of last year’s infrastructure bill which threw $b at the issue. Also, do you realize you’re boasting that Tesla has more chargers (for now) because Elon decided to make his chargers different to foil any competition, instead of, you know, working for a common solution to help the environment.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Oh yes, so reliable. Look how much range all these cars lose in the winter:

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Mach E loses like 15% of its range in the winter after driving only 88 miles for a a battery with about 200+ miles of range. My parents live 110 miles away. That means if I had a Mach E, I'd lose about 10-20% of range going one way in the winter to see them and may barely make it there if you hit a snarl of traffic. I'd have to charge it 2-3x for hours on end in the winter if I wanted to go visit the rents, assuming I could even find a charger on the way they wasn't even broken and wouldn't require significant detours. I know for a fact though that there are multiple Tesla charging stations evrywhere along the same way that would make the trip not troublesome like it would be in a Mach E or some other brand. This isn't also considering the fact that most manufacturers say you shouldn't charge to 100% in order to prolong battery life.

EVs other than Teslas are not viable because there is no viable charging infrastructure, they lose tons of range in the winter, and it is harder to plan longer distance trips in large protons of the country.

This is changing really quickly. In part because of last year’s infrastructure bill which threw $b at the issue. Also, do you realize you’re boasting that Tesla has more chargers (for now) because Elon decided to make his chargers different to foil any competition, instead of, you know, working for a common solution to help the environment.

Is this supposed to be some kind of intelligent post? Ooooohhhhooo. Elon, the big bad guy because he made product specific chargers......meanwhile legacy auto makers have been around for 90+ years did nothing to electrify a long time ago even before Elon, yet your gripe is with Elon?

Dumb. The infrastructure bill is also years and years away from improving charging infrastructure amd density. Once again, as of 20e, Teslas are still the only viable EV on the market because of their infrastructure.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Oh yes, so reliable. Look how much range all these cars lose in the winter:

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Mach E loses like 15% of its range in the winter after driving only 88 miles for a a battery with about 200+ miles of range. My parents live 110 miles away. That means if I had a Mach E, I'd lose about 10-20% of range going one way in the winter to see them and may barely make it there if you hit a snarl of traffic. I'd have to charge it 2-3x for hours on end in the winter if I wanted to go visit the rents, assuming I could even find a charger on the way they wasn't even broken and wouldn't require significant detours. I know for a fact though that there are multiple Tesla charging stations evrywhere along the same way that would make the trip not troublesome like it would be in a Mach E or some other brand. This isn't also considering the fact that most manufacturers say you shouldn't charge to 100% in order to prolong battery life.

EVs other than Teslas are not viable because there is no viable charging infrastructure, they lose tons of range in the winter, and it is harder to plan longer distance trips in large protons of the country.

This is changing really quickly. In part because of last year’s infrastructure bill which threw $b at the issue. Also, do you realize you’re boasting that Tesla has more chargers (for now) because Elon decided to make his chargers different to foil any competition, instead of, you know, working for a common solution to help the environment.

This is the tale of the EV little red hen. Building a supercharging network was expensive. Ideally, the government should have taken the lead and made a universal network. They didn’t. Tesla wanted to build the network and asked other car manufacturers to join them and share the cost. They all said no. So Tesla decided they couldn’t build enough superchargers for all the other cars and still make a profit. No doubt, as a publicly traded company, the board would not have allowed this. So now the network only serves teslas. But Tesla decided to make the patent freely available for anyone to design their cars to use superchargers. No car manufacturer has done this. In Europe, the Tesla network is opening up and hopefully the us will follow soon.

[Anonymous]

Tesla still has an advantage in long distance networks, esp for some trips but that’s a dumb reason to say they are the only choice for an EV.

First most people don’t use a long distance charging network that often. Some have a second car that’s ICE, some just don’t road trip a lot. I go up to New England once a year and the charging network is perfectly adequate for that trip. Why would I buy a car I’ll drive every day just to cover the few days a year I am driving long distance. Hell I’d rather rent an ICE than buy a car I don’t want for those couple days.

Second Tesla is losing ground every day on this “advantage”. EV America has billions to spend, the feds are spending billions— that’s why Tesla will make their network open to all, because there’s no way they will have a better network than every other entity combined. I’m not buying a car for the next 15 years based on a network that I use a couple times a year and will be obsolete in 5 years.

Maybe you use the long distance network every weekend— then maybe tesla is right for you, or maybe an ICE is. But declaring that as of today every other EV is garbage is just Musk fanboy nonsense

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Tesla still has an advantage in long distance networks, esp for some trips but that’s a dumb reason to say they are the only choice for an EV.

First most people don’t use a long distance charging network that often. Some have a second car that’s ICE, some just don’t road trip a lot. I go up to New England once a year and the charging network is perfectly adequate for that trip. Why would I buy a car I’ll drive every day just to cover the few days a year I am driving long distance. Hell I’d rather rent an ICE than buy a car I don’t want for those couple days.

Second Tesla is losing ground every day on this “advantage”. EV America has billions to spend, the feds are spending billions— that’s why Tesla will make their network open to all, because there’s no way they will have a better network than every other entity combined. I’m not buying a car for the next 15 years based on a network that I use a couple times a year and will be obsolete in 5 years.

Maybe you use the long distance network every weekend— then maybe tesla is right for you, or maybe an ICE is. But declaring that as of today every other EV is garbage is just Musk fanboy nonsense

All good points. Since we are an ev only household, teslas are a must. And since the batteries are warrantied for 150k miles and we hope they will make it to 500k+ miles, these cars are going to be going on many more road trips! Ideally, eventually every household will be 100% ev, powered by solar and an extensive UNIVERSAL charging network. Would love to see solar powered city car shares like the citibike scheme.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh yes, so reliable. Look how much range all these cars lose in the winter:

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Mach E loses like 15% of its range in the winter after driving only 88 miles for a a battery with about 200+ miles of range. My parents live 110 miles away. That means if I had a Mach E, I'd lose about 10-20% of range going one way in the winter to see them and may barely make it there if you hit a snarl of traffic. I'd have to charge it 2-3x for hours on end in the winter if I wanted to go visit the rents, assuming I could even find a charger on the way they wasn't even broken and wouldn't require significant detours. I know for a fact though that there are multiple Tesla charging stations evrywhere along the same way that would make the trip not troublesome like it would be in a Mach E or some other brand. This isn't also considering the fact that most manufacturers say you shouldn't charge to 100% in order to prolong battery life.

EVs other than Teslas are not viable because there is no viable charging infrastructure, they lose tons of range in the winter, and it is harder to plan longer distance trips in large protons of the country.

This is changing really quickly. In part because of last year’s infrastructure bill which threw $b at the issue. Also, do you realize you’re boasting that Tesla has more chargers (for now) because Elon decided to make his chargers different to foil any competition, instead of, you know, working for a common solution to help the environment.

This is the tale of the EV little red hen. Building a supercharging network was expensive. Ideally, the government should have taken the lead and made a universal network. They didn’t. Tesla wanted to build the network and asked other car manufacturers to join them and share the cost. They all said no. So Tesla decided they couldn’t build enough superchargers for all the other cars and still make a profit. No doubt, as a publicly traded company, the board would not have allowed this. So now the network only serves teslas. But Tesla decided to make the patent freely available for anyone to design their cars to use superchargers. No car manufacturer has done this. In Europe, the Tesla network is opening up and hopefully the us will follow soon.

The EU forces companies to play nice with each other.

Ex. they forced Apple to make their phones usb-c charging compatible. They are doing the same with EVs.

The US won't ever do that because capitalism and regulation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Oh yes, so reliable. Look how much range all these cars lose in the winter:

Mach E loses like 15% of it's range in the winter after driving only 88 miles for a a battery with about 200+ miles of range. My parents live 110 miles away. That means if I had a Mach E, I'd lose about 10-20% of range going one way in the winter to see them and may barely make it there if you hit a snarl of traffic. I'd have to charge it 2-3x for hours on end in the winter if I wanted to go visit the rents, assuming I could even find a charger on the way they wasn't even broken and wouldn't require significant detours. I know for a fact though that there are multiple Tesla charging stations evrywhere along the same way that would make the trip not troublesome like it would be in a Mach E or some other brand. This isn't also considering the fact that most manufacturers say you shouldn't charge to 100% in order to prolong battery life.

EVs other than Teslas are not viable because there is no viable charging infrastructure, they lose tons of range in the winter, and it is harder to plan longer distance trips in large protons of the country.

A lot of your objections to non-Tesla EVs seem to be based on faulty information.

Hitting a snarl of traffic doesn't really hit your range that much -- unlike in a gas car, electric cars don't use much power idling, and they get better mileage at low speeds/stop-and-go conditions than they do at highway speeds.

There's no problem whatsoever in charging to 100 percent occasionally (or even more than occasionally). They recommend not leaving your battery charged to 100 percent for long periods of time, but if you need the max range for a road trip, any EV will be fine charging to 100 percent the night before you go. Modern EVs, Teslas and non-Teslas alike, also have more total battery capacity than the advertised amount, so there's a built-in buffer below 100 percent even when you charge it to 100.

[Anonymous]

Yes sitting in traffic improves your range it doesn’t hurt it (up

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Anonymous wrote:Oh yes, so reliable. Look how much range all these cars lose in the winter:

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Mach E loses like 15% of its range in the winter after driving only 88 miles for a a battery with about 200+ miles of range. My parents live 110 miles away. That means if I had a Mach E, I'd lose about 10-20% of range going one way in the winter to see them and may barely make it there if you hit a snarl of traffic. I'd have to charge it 2-3x for hours on end in the winter if I wanted to go visit the rents, assuming I could even find a charger on the way they wasn't even broken and wouldn't require significant detours. I know for a fact though that there are multiple Tesla charging stations evrywhere along the same way that would make the trip not troublesome like it would be in a Mach E or some other brand. This isn't also considering the fact that most manufacturers say you shouldn't charge to 100% in order to prolong battery life.

EVs other than Teslas are not viable because there is no viable charging infrastructure, they lose tons of range in the winter, and it is harder to plan longer distance trips in large protons of the country.

This is changing really quickly. In part because of last year’s infrastructure bill which threw $b at the issue. Also, do you realize you’re boasting that Tesla has more chargers (for now) because Elon decided to make his chargers different to foil any competition, instead of, you know, working for a common solution to help the environment.

Is this supposed to be some kind of intelligent post? Ooooohhhhooo. Elon, the big bad guy because he made product specific chargers......meanwhile legacy auto makers have been around for 90+ years did nothing to electrify a long time ago even before Elon, yet your gripe is with Elon?

Dumb. The infrastructure bill is also years and years away from improving charging infrastructure amd density. Once again, as of 20e, Teslas are still the only viable EV on the market because of their infrastructure.

So you have nothing but ad hominens and some BS about how the market is incapable of meeting market demand for non-Tesla chargers. Newsflash, sweetie, it’s already happening.

Says all you need to know about Tesla owners.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Tesla still has an advantage in long distance networks, esp for some trips but that’s a dumb reason to say they are the only choice for an EV.

First most people don’t use a long distance charging network that often. Some have a second car that’s ICE, some just don’t road trip a lot. I go up to New England once a year and the charging network is perfectly adequate for that trip. Why would I buy a car I’ll drive every day just to cover the few days a year I am driving long distance. Hell I’d rather rent an ICE than buy a car I don’t want for those couple days.

Second Tesla is losing ground every day on this “advantage”. EV America has billions to spend, the feds are spending billions— that’s why Tesla will make their network open to all, because there’s no way they will have a better network than every other entity combined. I’m not buying a car for the next 15 years based on a network that I use a couple times a year and will be obsolete in 5 years.

Maybe you use the long distance network every weekend— then maybe tesla is right for you, or maybe an ICE is. But declaring that as of today every other EV is garbage is just Musk fanboy nonsense

All good points. Since we are an ev only household, teslas are a must. And since the batteries are warrantied for 150k miles and we hope they will make it to 500k+ miles, these cars are going to be going on many more road trips! Ideally, eventually every household will be 100% ev, powered by solar and an extensive UNIVERSAL charging network. Would love to see solar powered city car shares like the citibike scheme.

DP. Do you drive 250–300+ miles EVERY DAY? No? Then you’re charging at home 99% of the time and not using that awesome Tesla charging network. That was pp’s point, which you missed or ignored.

I’ve had a non-Tesla EV for over a year and 99% of the time it charges at my house. The few times I’ve gone on the road with it I haven’t had a problem finding a non-Tesla charger. I haven’t tried it out in rural bumwhatever, but then again I haven’t had any reason to go there.

Making it all about Tesla’s charging network is a red herring.

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Anonymous wrote:Tesla still has an advantage in long distance networks, esp for some trips but that’s a dumb reason to say they are the only choice for an EV.

First most people don’t use a long distance charging network that often. Some have a second car that’s ICE, some just don’t road trip a lot. I go up to New England once a year and the charging network is perfectly adequate for that trip. Why would I buy a car I’ll drive every day just to cover the few days a year I am driving long distance. Hell I’d rather rent an ICE than buy a car I don’t want for those couple days.

Second Tesla is losing ground every day on this “advantage”. EV America has billions to spend, the feds are spending billions— that’s why Tesla will make their network open to all, because there’s no way they will have a better network than every other entity combined. I’m not buying a car for the next 15 years based on a network that I use a couple times a year and will be obsolete in 5 years.

Maybe you use the long distance network every weekend— then maybe tesla is right for you, or maybe an ICE is. But declaring that as of today every other EV is garbage is just Musk fanboy nonsense

All good points. Since we are an ev only household, teslas are a must. And since the batteries are warrantied for 150k miles and we hope they will make it to 500k+ miles, these cars are going to be going on many more road trips! Ideally, eventually every household will be 100% ev, powered by solar and an extensive UNIVERSAL charging network. Would love to see solar powered city car shares like the citibike scheme.

DP. Do you drive 250–300+ miles EVERY DAY? No? Then you’re charging at home 99% of the time and not using that awesome Tesla charging network. That was pp’s point, which you missed or ignored.

I’ve had a non-Tesla EV for over a year and 99% of the time it charges at my house. The few times I’ve gone on the road with it I haven’t had a problem finding a non-Tesla charger. I haven’t tried it out in rural bumwhatever, but then again I haven’t had any reason to go there.

Making it all about Tesla’s charging network is a red herring.

It actually is important to people who do take road trips often and/or hate waiting to charge. I barely stop in our ICE car so stopping for 30+ minutes multiple times just wouldn't work for me.

We have a Tesla and a non-Tesla EV. The Tesla is barely tolerable on shorter road trips and only because of the super fast chargers (15 min to add 200 mile range) and longer range (~400 miles). The non-Tesla is strictly for in-town driving.

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Anonymous wrote:Tesla still has an advantage in long distance networks, esp for some trips but that’s a dumb reason to say they are the only choice for an EV.

First most people don’t use a long distance charging network that often. Some have a second car that’s ICE, some just don’t road trip a lot. I go up to New England once a year and the charging network is perfectly adequate for that trip. Why would I buy a car I’ll drive every day just to cover the few days a year I am driving long distance. Hell I’d rather rent an ICE than buy a car I don’t want for those couple days.

Second Tesla is losing ground every day on this “advantage”. EV America has billions to spend, the feds are spending billions— that’s why Tesla will make their network open to all, because there’s no way they will have a better network than every other entity combined. I’m not buying a car for the next 15 years based on a network that I use a couple times a year and will be obsolete in 5 years.

Maybe you use the long distance network every weekend— then maybe tesla is right for you, or maybe an ICE is. But declaring that as of today every other EV is garbage is just Musk fanboy nonsense

All good points. Since we are an ev only household, teslas are a must. And since the batteries are warrantied for 150k miles and we hope they will make it to 500k+ miles, these cars are going to be going on many more road trips! Ideally, eventually every household will be 100% ev, powered by solar and an extensive UNIVERSAL charging network. Would love to see solar powered city car shares like the citibike scheme.

DP. Do you drive 250–300+ miles EVERY DAY? No? Then you’re charging at home 99% of the time and not using that awesome Tesla charging network. That was pp’s point, which you missed or ignored.

I’ve had a non-Tesla EV for over a year and 99% of the time it charges at my house. The few times I’ve gone on the road with it I haven’t had a problem finding a non-Tesla charger. I haven’t tried it out in rural bumwhatever, but then again I haven’t had any reason to go there.

Making it all about Tesla’s charging network is a red herring.

It actually is important to people who do take road trips often and/or hate waiting to charge. I barely stop in our ICE car so stopping for 30+ minutes multiple times just wouldn't work for me.

We have a Tesla and a non-Tesla EV. The Tesla is barely tolerable on shorter road trips and only because of the super fast chargers (15 min to add 200 mile range) and longer range (~400 miles). The non-Tesla is strictly for in-town driving.

Personally, I don't find stopping for 20-25 minutes for fast-charging a non-Tesla EV once each way on a road trip (or maybe twice, depending on the destination) to be that much less tolerable than stopping once or twice for 5 minutes to get gas — especially since I charge at home most of the time and never have to think about when or where to stop — and the price difference when we bought the car between the VW we got and what Teslas were selling for at the time made it well worth a 10-minute tradeoff or so for a handful of road trips a year.

Your mileage, as it were, may vary. And if the most important factor to you in your car is absolutely minimizing travel time on road trips, makes sense to think more about the Tesla vs. non-Tesla charging network. But most non-Tesla EVs with range over 200 miles are perfectly fine to take on a long drive every so often, too.

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Anonymous wrote:Tesla still has an advantage in long distance networks, esp for some trips but that’s a dumb reason to say they are the only choice for an EV.

First most people don’t use a long distance charging network that often. Some have a second car that’s ICE, some just don’t road trip a lot. I go up to New England once a year and the charging network is perfectly adequate for that trip. Why would I buy a car I’ll drive every day just to cover the few days a year I am driving long distance. Hell I’d rather rent an ICE than buy a car I don’t want for those couple days.

Second Tesla is losing ground every day on this “advantage”. EV America has billions to spend, the feds are spending billions— that’s why Tesla will make their network open to all, because there’s no way they will have a better network than every other entity combined. I’m not buying a car for the next 15 years based on a network that I use a couple times a year and will be obsolete in 5 years.

Maybe you use the long distance network every weekend— then maybe tesla is right for you, or maybe an ICE is. But declaring that as of today every other EV is garbage is just Musk fanboy nonsense

All good points. Since we are an ev only household, teslas are a must. And since the batteries are warrantied for 150k miles and we hope they will make it to 500k+ miles, these cars are going to be going on many more road trips! Ideally, eventually every household will be 100% ev, powered by solar and an extensive UNIVERSAL charging network. Would love to see solar powered city car shares like the citibike scheme.

DP. Do you drive 250–300+ miles EVERY DAY? No? Then you’re charging at home 99% of the time and not using that awesome Tesla charging network. That was pp’s point, which you missed or ignored.

I’ve had a non-Tesla EV for over a year and 99% of the time it charges at my house. The few times I’ve gone on the road with it I haven’t had a problem finding a non-Tesla charger. I haven’t tried it out in rural bumwhatever, but then again I haven’t had any reason to go there.

Making it all about Tesla’s charging network is a red herring.

It actually is important to people who do take road trips often and/or hate waiting to charge. I barely stop in our ICE car so stopping for 30+ minutes multiple times just wouldn't work for me.

We have a Tesla and a non-Tesla EV. The Tesla is barely tolerable on shorter road trips and only because of the super fast chargers (15 min to add 200 mile range) and longer range (~400 miles). The non-Tesla is strictly for in-town driving.

Well no wonder you’re obsessed with Tesla’s chargers. You reserve the Tesla for longer trips and your gas car for shorter (in-town) trips. Not the choice most would make, but you do you. The rest of us are using our EVs to drive to work and charging them at home at night.

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Anonymous wrote:Tesla still has an advantage in long distance networks, esp for some trips but that’s a dumb reason to say they are the only choice for an EV.

First most people don’t use a long distance charging network that often. Some have a second car that’s ICE, some just don’t road trip a lot. I go up to New England once a year and the charging network is perfectly adequate for that trip. Why would I buy a car I’ll drive every day just to cover the few days a year I am driving long distance. Hell I’d rather rent an ICE than buy a car I don’t want for those couple days.

Second Tesla is losing ground every day on this “advantage”. EV America has billions to spend, the feds are spending billions— that’s why Tesla will make their network open to all, because there’s no way they will have a better network than every other entity combined. I’m not buying a car for the next 15 years based on a network that I use a couple times a year and will be obsolete in 5 years.

Maybe you use the long distance network every weekend— then maybe tesla is right for you, or maybe an ICE is. But declaring that as of today every other EV is garbage is just Musk fanboy nonsense

All good points. Since we are an ev only household, teslas are a must. And since the batteries are warrantied for 150k miles and we hope they will make it to 500k+ miles, these cars are going to be going on many more road trips! Ideally, eventually every household will be 100% ev, powered by solar and an extensive UNIVERSAL charging network. Would love to see solar powered city car shares like the citibike scheme.

DP. Do you drive 250–300+ miles EVERY DAY? No? Then you’re charging at home 99% of the time and not using that awesome Tesla charging network. That was pp’s point, which you missed or ignored.

I’ve had a non-Tesla EV for over a year and 99% of the time it charges at my house. The few times I’ve gone on the road with it I haven’t had a problem finding a non-Tesla charger. I haven’t tried it out in rural bumwhatever, but then again I haven’t had any reason to go there.

Making it all about Tesla’s charging network is a red herring.

It actually is important to people who do take road trips often and/or hate waiting to charge. I barely stop in our ICE car so stopping for 30+ minutes multiple times just wouldn't work for me.

We have a Tesla and a non-Tesla EV. The Tesla is barely tolerable on shorter road trips and only because of the super fast chargers (15 min to add 200 mile range) and longer range (~400 miles). The non-Tesla is strictly for in-town driving.

Well no wonder you’re obsessed with Tesla’s chargers. You reserve the Tesla for longer trips and your gas car for shorter (in-town) trips. Not the choice most would make, but you do you. The rest of us are using our EVs to drive to work and charging them at home at night.

Re-read. Our other car is a non-Tesla EV. We use it for daily driving and charge it at home every night. I would absolutely never take it on a road trip.

And I’m a DP.

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Anonymous wrote:Tesla still has an advantage in long distance networks, esp for some trips but that’s a dumb reason to say they are the only choice for an EV.

First most people don’t use a long distance charging network that often. Some have a second car that’s ICE, some just don’t road trip a lot. I go up to New England once a year and the charging network is perfectly adequate for that trip. Why would I buy a car I’ll drive every day just to cover the few days a year I am driving long distance. Hell I’d rather rent an ICE than buy a car I don’t want for those couple days.

Second Tesla is losing ground every day on this “advantage”. EV America has billions to spend, the feds are spending billions— that’s why Tesla will make their network open to all, because there’s no way they will have a better network than every other entity combined. I’m not buying a car for the next 15 years based on a network that I use a couple times a year and will be obsolete in 5 years.

Maybe you use the long distance network every weekend— then maybe tesla is right for you, or maybe an ICE is. But declaring that as of today every other EV is garbage is just Musk fanboy nonsense

All good points. Since we are an ev only household, teslas are a must. And since the batteries are warrantied for 150k miles and we hope they will make it to 500k+ miles, these cars are going to be going on many more road trips! Ideally, eventually every household will be 100% ev, powered by solar and an extensive UNIVERSAL charging network. Would love to see solar powered city car shares like the citibike scheme.

DP. Do you drive 250–300+ miles EVERY DAY? No? Then you’re charging at home 99% of the time and not using that awesome Tesla charging network. That was pp’s point, which you missed or ignored.

I’ve had a non-Tesla EV for over a year and 99% of the time it charges at my house. The few times I’ve gone on the road with it I haven’t had a problem finding a non-Tesla charger. I haven’t tried it out in rural bumwhatever, but then again I haven’t had any reason to go there.

Making it all about Tesla’s charging network is a red herring.

It actually is important to people who do take road trips often and/or hate waiting to charge. I barely stop in our ICE car so stopping for 30+ minutes multiple times just wouldn't work for me.

We have a Tesla and a non-Tesla EV. The Tesla is barely tolerable on shorter road trips and only because of the super fast chargers (15 min to add 200 mile range) and longer range (~400 miles). The non-Tesla is strictly for in-town driving.

Well no wonder you’re obsessed with Tesla’s chargers. You reserve the Tesla for longer trips and your gas car for shorter (in-town) trips. Not the choice most would make, but you do you. The rest of us are using our EVs to drive to work and charging them at home at night.

Re-read. Our other car is a non-Tesla EV. We use it for daily driving and charge it at home every night. I would absolutely never take it on a road trip.

And I’m a DP.

You do you. Lots of us don't mind, in fact welcome, having to get a coffee at the station while the EV charges. We must not be in as much of a hurry.