Electric cars

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's good to consider all potential uses and scenarios, but I'm always surprised how much decision making is driven by the 5 percent use or even highly unlikely scenarios like an evacuation. The very vast majority of most people's driving is within close range, and an EV will be perfect for that. No getting gas, no oil changes, etc.

Were you here during the derecho? 9/11?

Yes, and I don’t think an EV vs. a gas car would have impacted anything (with today’s infrastructure).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's good to consider all potential uses and scenarios, but I'm always surprised how much decision making is driven by the 5 percent use or even highly unlikely scenarios like an evacuation. The very vast majority of most people's driving is within close range, and an EV will be perfect for that. No getting gas, no oil changes, etc.

Were you here during the derecho? 9/11?

Yes, and I don’t think an EV vs. a gas car would have impacted anything (with today’s infrastructure).

And of course an EV would be better in the case of a gas shortage, which we have seen recently.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's good to consider all potential uses and scenarios, but I'm always surprised how much decision making is driven by the 5 percent use or even highly unlikely scenarios like an evacuation. The very vast majority of most people's driving is within close range, and an EV will be perfect for that. No getting gas, no oil changes, etc.

Were you here during the derecho? 9/11?

You are citing two major events in 20 years as a reason to not get an EV? It's not sure how an EV would have hurt in either of those situations?

They are examples that unexpected S happens.

I have an EV but until the charging infrastructure and range improve I’m hedging my bets by also having a gas car.

We lost power for 5 days during the derecho. It was an unexpected weather event. If my EV had low range because I haven’t charged recently (I charge to ~80% 1-2x/wk) I’d be SOL. Right now, there are more options for refueling vs recharging.

After 9/11, we realized how challenging evacuation can be. And the feeling of being completely vulnerable.

It’s natural to think about these events and comforting to have options for future unexpected events.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's good to consider all potential uses and scenarios, but I'm always surprised how much decision making is driven by the 5 percent use or even highly unlikely scenarios like an evacuation. The very vast majority of most people's driving is within close range, and an EV will be perfect for that. No getting gas, no oil changes, etc.

Were you here during the derecho? 9/11?

Yes, and I don’t think an EV vs. a gas car would have impacted anything (with today’s infrastructure).

And of course an EV would be better in the case of a gas shortage, which we have seen recently.

I drive my EV everyday but my gas car is fueled up and ready to go.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's good to consider all potential uses and scenarios, but I'm always surprised how much decision making is driven by the 5 percent use or even highly unlikely scenarios like an evacuation. The very vast majority of most people's driving is within close range, and an EV will be perfect for that. No getting gas, no oil changes, etc.

Were you here during the derecho? 9/11?

DP yes. The way an EV works is you charge it up once or twice a week. You do not need to have it plugged in to drive, gas station without electricity can not pump gas.

Our local gas stations weren’t working but we drove ~10 miles out and were able to refuel. Today, it’s much easier to find gas stations than charging stations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's good to consider all potential uses and scenarios, but I'm always surprised how much decision making is driven by the 5 percent use or even highly unlikely scenarios like an evacuation. The very vast majority of most people's driving is within close range, and an EV will be perfect for that. No getting gas, no oil changes, etc.

Were you here during the derecho? 9/11?

You are citing two major events in 20 years as a reason to not get an EV? It's not sure how an EV would have hurt in either of those situations?

They are examples that unexpected S happens.

I have an EV but until the charging infrastructure and range improve I’m hedging my bets by also having a gas car.

We lost power for 5 days during the derecho. It was an unexpected weather event. If my EV had low range because I haven’t charged recently (I charge to ~80% 1-2x/wk) I’d be SOL. Right now, there are more options for refueling vs recharging.

After 9/11, we realized how challenging evacuation can be. And the feeling of being completely vulnerable.

It’s natural to think about these events and comforting to have options for future unexpected events.

I can charge my car off of literally any plug. Slow charging yes, but charged.. the same can't be said for a gas car.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's good to consider all potential uses and scenarios, but I'm always surprised how much decision making is driven by the 5 percent use or even highly unlikely scenarios like an evacuation. The very vast majority of most people's driving is within close range, and an EV will be perfect for that. No getting gas, no oil changes, etc.

Were you here during the derecho? 9/11?

You are citing two major events in 20 years as a reason to not get an EV? It's not sure how an EV would have hurt in either of those situations?

They are examples that unexpected S happens.

I have an EV but until the charging infrastructure and range improve I’m hedging my bets by also having a gas car.

We lost power for 5 days during the derecho. It was an unexpected weather event. If my EV had low range because I haven’t charged recently (I charge to ~80% 1-2x/wk) I’d be SOL. Right now, there are more options for refueling vs recharging.

After 9/11, we realized how challenging evacuation can be. And the feeling of being completely vulnerable.

It’s natural to think about these events and comforting to have options for future unexpected events.

I can charge my car off of literally any plug. Slow charging yes, but charged.. the same can't be said for a gas car.

If you have power there will be gas stations available. Or maybe you drive around with a portable generator and fuel?

If you needed to get out of town quickly, sucks to charge for several hours first.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's good to consider all potential uses and scenarios, but I'm always surprised how much decision making is driven by the 5 percent use or even highly unlikely scenarios like an evacuation. The very vast majority of most people's driving is within close range, and an EV will be perfect for that. No getting gas, no oil changes, etc.

Were you here during the derecho? 9/11?

You are citing two major events in 20 years as a reason to not get an EV? It's not sure how an EV would have hurt in either of those situations?

They are examples that unexpected S happens.

I have an EV but until the charging infrastructure and range improve I’m hedging my bets by also having a gas car.

We lost power for 5 days during the derecho. It was an unexpected weather event. If my EV had low range because I haven’t charged recently (I charge to ~80% 1-2x/wk) I’d be SOL. Right now, there are more options for refueling vs recharging.

After 9/11, we realized how challenging evacuation can be. And the feeling of being completely vulnerable.

It’s natural to think about these events and comforting to have options for future unexpected events.

I can charge my car off of literally any plug. Slow charging yes, but charged.. the same can't be said for a gas car.

If you have power there will be gas stations available. Or maybe you drive around with a portable generator and fuel?

If you needed to get out of town quickly, sucks to charge for several hours first.

Versus finding a gas station?

Look, I'm not going to make a decision based off some imaginary apocalyptic scenario. I lived completely without a car for years and was fine. I drive my EV to work every single day and I love the car.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's good to consider all potential uses and scenarios, but I'm always surprised how much decision making is driven by the 5 percent use or even highly unlikely scenarios like an evacuation. The very vast majority of most people's driving is within close range, and an EV will be perfect for that. No getting gas, no oil changes, etc.

Were you here during the derecho? 9/11?

DP yes. The way an EV works is you charge it up once or twice a week. You do not need to have it plugged in to drive, gas station without electricity can not pump gas.

Our local gas stations weren’t working but we drove ~10 miles out and were able to refuel. Today, it’s much easier to find gas stations than charging stations.

It's harder to find an electrical outlet than a gas station? Literally every building has an electrical outlet.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's good to consider all potential uses and scenarios, but I'm always surprised how much decision making is driven by the 5 percent use or even highly unlikely scenarios like an evacuation. The very vast majority of most people's driving is within close range, and an EV will be perfect for that. No getting gas, no oil changes, etc.

Were you here during the derecho? 9/11?

You are citing two major events in 20 years as a reason to not get an EV? It's not sure how an EV would have hurt in either of those situations?

They are examples that unexpected S happens.

I have an EV but until the charging infrastructure and range improve I’m hedging my bets by also having a gas car.

We lost power for 5 days during the derecho. It was an unexpected weather event. If my EV had low range because I haven’t charged recently (I charge to ~80% 1-2x/wk) I’d be SOL. Right now, there are more options for refueling vs recharging.

After 9/11, we realized how challenging evacuation can be. And the feeling of being completely vulnerable.

It’s natural to think about these events and comforting to have options for future unexpected events.

I can charge my car off of literally any plug. Slow charging yes, but charged.. the same can't be said for a gas car.

If you have power there will be gas stations available. Or maybe you drive around with a portable generator and fuel?

If you needed to get out of town quickly, sucks to charge for several hours first.

Versus finding a gas station?

Look, I'm not going to make a decision based off some imaginary apocalyptic scenario. I lived completely without a car for years and was fine. I drive my EV to work every single day and I love the car.

Ok. You can have different priorities. Buy what you want.

Someone asked why people might be taking unlikely events into mind when purchasing a vehicle. Answer is that we’ve had unlikely events already happen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's good to consider all potential uses and scenarios, but I'm always surprised how much decision making is driven by the 5 percent use or even highly unlikely scenarios like an evacuation. The very vast majority of most people's driving is within close range, and an EV will be perfect for that. No getting gas, no oil changes, etc.

Were you here during the derecho? 9/11?

DP yes. The way an EV works is you charge it up once or twice a week. You do not need to have it plugged in to drive, gas station without electricity can not pump gas.

Our local gas stations weren’t working but we drove ~10 miles out and were able to refuel. Today, it’s much easier to find gas stations than charging stations.

It's harder to find an electrical outlet than a gas station? Literally every building has an electrical outlet.

If the power is out around my house it’s easier to go find a gas station a little farther away than it is to go find someone that is willing to let me use their outlet for several hours.

You’re just going to drive up to a random building and…plug in?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's good to consider all potential uses and scenarios, but I'm always surprised how much decision making is driven by the 5 percent use or even highly unlikely scenarios like an evacuation. The very vast majority of most people's driving is within close range, and an EV will be perfect for that. No getting gas, no oil changes, etc.

Were you here during the derecho? 9/11?

DP yes. The way an EV works is you charge it up once or twice a week. You do not need to have it plugged in to drive, gas station without electricity can not pump gas.

Our local gas stations weren’t working but we drove ~10 miles out and were able to refuel. Today, it’s much easier to find gas stations than charging stations.

It's harder to find an electrical outlet than a gas station? Literally every building has an electrical outlet.

If the power is out around my house it’s easier to go find a gas station a little farther away than it is to go find someone that is willing to let me use their outlet for several hours.

You’re just going to drive up to a random building and…plug in?

My plan is:
- Before the big "event" charge my car up at home, so I have 250 miles of range. There may be lines and shortages at the gas station, but no issue charging my car at home.
- Find a working electrical outlet within a 250-mile radius of my house if I need to charge further.

Our power infrastructure is a lot more reliable and resilient than our gas station infrastructure. In my area, gas stations have been closing down as the land gets redeveloped into condos, but there's no lack of electrical outlets.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's good to consider all potential uses and scenarios, but I'm always surprised how much decision making is driven by the 5 percent use or even highly unlikely scenarios like an evacuation. The very vast majority of most people's driving is within close range, and an EV will be perfect for that. No getting gas, no oil changes, etc.

Were you here during the derecho? 9/11?

DP yes. The way an EV works is you charge it up once or twice a week. You do not need to have it plugged in to drive, gas station without electricity can not pump gas.

Our local gas stations weren’t working but we drove ~10 miles out and were able to refuel. Today, it’s much easier to find gas stations than charging stations.

It's harder to find an electrical outlet than a gas station? Literally every building has an electrical outlet.

If the power is out around my house it’s easier to go find a gas station a little farther away than it is to go find someone that is willing to let me use their outlet for several hours.

You’re just going to drive up to a random building and…plug in?

In a pinch, yes. All commercial buildings have electrical outlets outside -- warehouses, retail stores, shopping malls, etc. In an extraordinary situation, I don't think anyone will stop me, and that's assuming there's any staff at such places to object anyway.

What's more likely to run out? Gas at the few gas stations around, or every electrical outlet in every building?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's good to consider all potential uses and scenarios, but I'm always surprised how much decision making is driven by the 5 percent use or even highly unlikely scenarios like an evacuation. The very vast majority of most people's driving is within close range, and an EV will be perfect for that. No getting gas, no oil changes, etc.

Were you here during the derecho? 9/11?

DP yes. The way an EV works is you charge it up once or twice a week. You do not need to have it plugged in to drive, gas station without electricity can not pump gas.

Our local gas stations weren’t working but we drove ~10 miles out and were able to refuel. Today, it’s much easier to find gas stations than charging stations.

It's harder to find an electrical outlet than a gas station? Literally every building has an electrical outlet.

If the power is out around my house it’s easier to go find a gas station a little farther away than it is to go find someone that is willing to let me use their outlet for several hours.

You’re just going to drive up to a random building and…plug in?

In a pinch, yes. All commercial buildings have electrical outlets outside -- warehouses, retail stores, shopping malls, etc. In an extraordinary situation, I don't think anyone will stop me, and that's assuming there's any staff at such places to object anyway.

What's more likely to run out? Gas at the few gas stations around, or every electrical outlet in every building?

Yeah, I've personally lived through multiple gas shortages (hurricanes, that pipeline shut down). I've always been able to find an outlet.

[Anonymous]

We have an EV, but on long road trips we just travel with a portable diesel generator and some fuel. If we run our battery down on the trip, we can easily recharge at our convenience with the generator.

This eliminates range anxiety, but we’re also still saving the planet by driving an EV!