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Anonymous wrote:Tesla still has an advantage in long distance networks, esp for some trips but that’s a dumb reason to say they are the only choice for an EV.

First most people don’t use a long distance charging network that often. Some have a second car that’s ICE, some just don’t road trip a lot. I go up to New England once a year and the charging network is perfectly adequate for that trip. Why would I buy a car I’ll drive every day just to cover the few days a year I am driving long distance. Hell I’d rather rent an ICE than buy a car I don’t want for those couple days.

Second Tesla is losing ground every day on this “advantage”. EV America has billions to spend, the feds are spending billions— that’s why Tesla will make their network open to all, because there’s no way they will have a better network than every other entity combined. I’m not buying a car for the next 15 years based on a network that I use a couple times a year and will be obsolete in 5 years.

Maybe you use the long distance network every weekend— then maybe tesla is right for you, or maybe an ICE is. But declaring that as of today every other EV is garbage is just Musk fanboy nonsense

All good points. Since we are an ev only household, teslas are a must. And since the batteries are warrantied for 150k miles and we hope they will make it to 500k+ miles, these cars are going to be going on many more road trips! Ideally, eventually every household will be 100% ev, powered by solar and an extensive UNIVERSAL charging network. Would love to see solar powered city car shares like the citibike scheme.

DP. Do you drive 250–300+ miles EVERY DAY? No? Then you’re charging at home 99% of the time and not using that awesome Tesla charging network. That was pp’s point, which you missed or ignored.

I’ve had a non-Tesla EV for over a year and 99% of the time it charges at my house. The few times I’ve gone on the road with it I haven’t had a problem finding a non-Tesla charger. I haven’t tried it out in rural bumwhatever, but then again I haven’t had any reason to go there.

Making it all about Tesla’s charging network is a red herring.

It actually is important to people who do take road trips often and/or hate waiting to charge. I barely stop in our ICE car so stopping for 30+ minutes multiple times just wouldn't work for me.

We have a Tesla and a non-Tesla EV. The Tesla is barely tolerable on shorter road trips and only because of the super fast chargers (15 min to add 200 mile range) and longer range (~400 miles). The non-Tesla is strictly for in-town driving.

Well no wonder you’re obsessed with Tesla’s chargers. You reserve the Tesla for longer trips and your gas car for shorter (in-town) trips. Not the choice most would make, but you do you. The rest of us are using our EVs to drive to work and charging them at home at night.

Re-read. Our other car is a non-Tesla EV. We use it for daily driving and charge it at home every night. I would absolutely never take it on a road trip.

And I’m a DP.

You do you. Lots of us don't mind, in fact welcome, having to get a coffee at the station while the EV charges. We must not be in as much of a hurry.

Enjoy all of those coffees.

I hate Musk but, for road trips, Teslas are still the best option - by far. Charging speed and network are important. Hope we get better alternatives soon.

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Anonymous wrote:Tesla still has an advantage in long distance networks, esp for some trips but that’s a dumb reason to say they are the only choice for an EV.

First most people don’t use a long distance charging network that often. Some have a second car that’s ICE, some just don’t road trip a lot. I go up to New England once a year and the charging network is perfectly adequate for that trip. Why would I buy a car I’ll drive every day just to cover the few days a year I am driving long distance. Hell I’d rather rent an ICE than buy a car I don’t want for those couple days.

Second Tesla is losing ground every day on this “advantage”. EV America has billions to spend, the feds are spending billions— that’s why Tesla will make their network open to all, because there’s no way they will have a better network than every other entity combined. I’m not buying a car for the next 15 years based on a network that I use a couple times a year and will be obsolete in 5 years.

Maybe you use the long distance network every weekend— then maybe tesla is right for you, or maybe an ICE is. But declaring that as of today every other EV is garbage is just Musk fanboy nonsense

All good points. Since we are an ev only household, teslas are a must. And since the batteries are warrantied for 150k miles and we hope they will make it to 500k+ miles, these cars are going to be going on many more road trips! Ideally, eventually every household will be 100% ev, powered by solar and an extensive UNIVERSAL charging network. Would love to see solar powered city car shares like the citibike scheme.

DP. Do you drive 250–300+ miles EVERY DAY? No? Then you’re charging at home 99% of the time and not using that awesome Tesla charging network. That was pp’s point, which you missed or ignored.

I’ve had a non-Tesla EV for over a year and 99% of the time it charges at my house. The few times I’ve gone on the road with it I haven’t had a problem finding a non-Tesla charger. I haven’t tried it out in rural bumwhatever, but then again I haven’t had any reason to go there.

Making it all about Tesla’s charging network is a red herring.

It actually is important to people who do take road trips often and/or hate waiting to charge. I barely stop in our ICE car so stopping for 30+ minutes multiple times just wouldn't work for me.

We have a Tesla and a non-Tesla EV. The Tesla is barely tolerable on shorter road trips and only because of the super fast chargers (15 min to add 200 mile range) and longer range (~400 miles). The non-Tesla is strictly for in-town driving.

Well no wonder you’re obsessed with Tesla’s chargers. You reserve the Tesla for longer trips and your gas car for shorter (in-town) trips. Not the choice most would make, but you do you. The rest of us are using our EVs to drive to work and charging them at home at night.

Re-read. Our other car is a non-Tesla EV. We use it for daily driving and charge it at home every night. I would absolutely never take it on a road trip.

And I’m a DP.

You do you. Lots of us don't mind, in fact welcome, having to get a coffee at the station while the EV charges. We must not be in as much of a hurry.

Enjoy all of those coffees.

I hate Musk but, for road trips, Teslas are still the best option - by far. Charging speed and network are important. Hope we get better alternatives soon.

+1 Loathe the man and will not buy one of his cars. Partly because of him and partly because his cars have quality issues and the service model is scary to me (I don't trust Tesla). Having said that, the supercharger network is heads and tails ahead of everyone else. If you have a home charger and your use is mostly in/round town with maybe one distance trip per year it isn't an issue, but if you have a 2nd home hundreds of miles away and/or you travel distances and across the country the charging network is not there yet. This article was one of the things that convinced us that for our use EV was not for us (yet). https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/road-tripping-in-our-long-term-electric-test-cars/

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The reliability of most charging networks is pretty bad

https://insideevs.com/news/590679/study-public-chargers-low-reliability/

The best part is that 7% of electrify America’s problems is cable length. Cable length! I was reading about lucid cars and the range sounds amazing, but reading about ea’s crap network doesn’t inspire confidence.

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Anonymous wrote:Tesla still has an advantage in long distance networks, esp for some trips but that’s a dumb reason to say they are the only choice for an EV.

First most people don’t use a long distance charging network that often. Some have a second car that’s ICE, some just don’t road trip a lot. I go up to New England once a year and the charging network is perfectly adequate for that trip. Why would I buy a car I’ll drive every day just to cover the few days a year I am driving long distance. Hell I’d rather rent an ICE than buy a car I don’t want for those couple days.

Second Tesla is losing ground every day on this “advantage”. EV America has billions to spend, the feds are spending billions— that’s why Tesla will make their network open to all, because there’s no way they will have a better network than every other entity combined. I’m not buying a car for the next 15 years based on a network that I use a couple times a year and will be obsolete in 5 years.

Maybe you use the long distance network every weekend— then maybe tesla is right for you, or maybe an ICE is. But declaring that as of today every other EV is garbage is just Musk fanboy nonsense

All good points. Since we are an ev only household, teslas are a must. And since the batteries are warrantied for 150k miles and we hope they will make it to 500k+ miles, these cars are going to be going on many more road trips! Ideally, eventually every household will be 100% ev, powered by solar and an extensive UNIVERSAL charging network. Would love to see solar powered city car shares like the citibike scheme.

DP. Do you drive 250–300+ miles EVERY DAY? No? Then you’re charging at home 99% of the time and not using that awesome Tesla charging network. That was pp’s point, which you missed or ignored.

I’ve had a non-Tesla EV for over a year and 99% of the time it charges at my house. The few times I’ve gone on the road with it I haven’t had a problem finding a non-Tesla charger. I haven’t tried it out in rural bumwhatever, but then again I haven’t had any reason to go there.

Making it all about Tesla’s charging network is a red herring.

It actually is important to people who do take road trips often and/or hate waiting to charge. I barely stop in our ICE car so stopping for 30+ minutes multiple times just wouldn't work for me.

We have a Tesla and a non-Tesla EV. The Tesla is barely tolerable on shorter road trips and only because of the super fast chargers (15 min to add 200 mile range) and longer range (~400 miles). The non-Tesla is strictly for in-town driving.

Well no wonder you’re obsessed with Tesla’s chargers. You reserve the Tesla for longer trips and your gas car for shorter (in-town) trips. Not the choice most would make, but you do you. The rest of us are using our EVs to drive to work and charging them at home at night.

Re-read. Our other car is a non-Tesla EV. We use it for daily driving and charge it at home every night. I would absolutely never take it on a road trip.

And I’m a DP.

You do you. Lots of us don't mind, in fact welcome, having to get a coffee at the station while the EV charges. We must not be in as much of a hurry.

Enjoy all of those coffees.

I hate Musk but, for road trips, Teslas are still the best option - by far. Charging speed and network are important. Hope we get better alternatives soon.

+1 Loathe the man and will not buy one of his cars. Partly because of him and partly because his cars have quality issues and the service model is scary to me (I don't trust Tesla). Having said that, the supercharger network is heads and tails ahead of everyone else. If you have a home charger and your use is mostly in/round town with maybe one distance trip per year it isn't an issue, but if you have a 2nd home hundreds of miles away and/or you travel distances and across the country the charging network is not there yet. This article was one of the things that convinced us that for our use EV was not for us (yet). https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/road-tripping-in-our-long-term-electric-test-cars/

We haven't really had any significant problems with a non-Tesla EV going on road trips from D.C. to New York or to the Delaware beaches (and charging on the Eastern Shore is generally pretty bad, but not so bad you can't make it work). I guess if you do much longer road trips very frequently, that might be an issue, but we go on a total of about six or seven D.C.-NY or D.C.-Del. trips a year, sometimes more, and it's been fine and is improving rapidly.

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I just bought a brand new ICE vehicle and did consider Tesla and other EVs. I decided one more vehicle until we convert because of the range and charging issues. We don't take a lot of long range trips, but when we do, they can be up to 9 hour trips. I don't want to have to stop to charge four times on a trip. Hoping in about five or so years when I am ready to replace this vehicle it will be a very different situation. Enjoying my new car nonetheless!! Very luxurious!! And that is the only thing I will accept when I eventually buy an EV.

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Anonymous wrote:Tesla still has an advantage in long distance networks, esp for some trips but that’s a dumb reason to say they are the only choice for an EV.

First most people don’t use a long distance charging network that often. Some have a second car that’s ICE, some just don’t road trip a lot. I go up to New England once a year and the charging network is perfectly adequate for that trip. Why would I buy a car I’ll drive every day just to cover the few days a year I am driving long distance. Hell I’d rather rent an ICE than buy a car I don’t want for those couple days.

Second Tesla is losing ground every day on this “advantage”. EV America has billions to spend, the feds are spending billions— that’s why Tesla will make their network open to all, because there’s no way they will have a better network than every other entity combined. I’m not buying a car for the next 15 years based on a network that I use a couple times a year and will be obsolete in 5 years.

Maybe you use the long distance network every weekend— then maybe tesla is right for you, or maybe an ICE is. But declaring that as of today every other EV is garbage is just Musk fanboy nonsense

All good points. Since we are an ev only household, teslas are a must. And since the batteries are warrantied for 150k miles and we hope they will make it to 500k+ miles, these cars are going to be going on many more road trips! Ideally, eventually every household will be 100% ev, powered by solar and an extensive UNIVERSAL charging network. Would love to see solar powered city car shares like the citibike scheme.

DP. Do you drive 250–300+ miles EVERY DAY? No? Then you’re charging at home 99% of the time and not using that awesome Tesla charging network. That was pp’s point, which you missed or ignored.

I’ve had a non-Tesla EV for over a year and 99% of the time it charges at my house. The few times I’ve gone on the road with it I haven’t had a problem finding a non-Tesla charger. I haven’t tried it out in rural bumwhatever, but then again I haven’t had any reason to go there.

Making it all about Tesla’s charging network is a red herring.

It actually is important to people who do take road trips often and/or hate waiting to charge. I barely stop in our ICE car so stopping for 30+ minutes multiple times just wouldn't work for me.

We have a Tesla and a non-Tesla EV. The Tesla is barely tolerable on shorter road trips and only because of the super fast chargers (15 min to add 200 mile range) and longer range (~400 miles). The non-Tesla is strictly for in-town driving.

Well no wonder you’re obsessed with Tesla’s chargers. You reserve the Tesla for longer trips and your gas car for shorter (in-town) trips. Not the choice most would make, but you do you. The rest of us are using our EVs to drive to work and charging them at home at night.

Re-read. Our other car is a non-Tesla EV. We use it for daily driving and charge it at home every night. I would absolutely never take it on a road trip.

And I’m a DP.

You do you. Lots of us don't mind, in fact welcome, having to get a coffee at the station while the EV charges. We must not be in as much of a hurry.

Enjoy all of those coffees.

I hate Musk but, for road trips, Teslas are still the best option - by far. Charging speed and network are important. Hope we get better alternatives soon.

+1 Loathe the man and will not buy one of his cars. Partly because of him and partly because his cars have quality issues and the service model is scary to me (I don't trust Tesla). Having said that, the supercharger network is heads and tails ahead of everyone else. If you have a home charger and your use is mostly in/round town with maybe one distance trip per year it isn't an issue, but if you have a 2nd home hundreds of miles away and/or you travel distances and across the country the charging network is not there yet. This article was one of the things that convinced us that for our use EV was not for us (yet). https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/road-tripping-in-our-long-term-electric-test-cars/

We haven't really had any significant problems with a non-Tesla EV going on road trips from D.C. to New York or to the Delaware beaches (and charging on the Eastern Shore is generally pretty bad, but not so bad you can't make it work). I guess if you do much longer road trips very frequently, that might be an issue, but we go on a total of about six or seven D.C.-NY or D.C.-Del. trips a year, sometimes more, and it's been fine and is improving rapidly.

This. Unless your commute is 200+ miles daily, finding chargers away from home is a non-issue. Ditto if you only make a few DC-NY or similar trips per year. If you take longer trips on a regular basis, keep an old ICE around until the technology catches up, because most families have second cars anyway.

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Anonymous wrote:Tesla still has an advantage in long distance networks, esp for some trips but that’s a dumb reason to say they are the only choice for an EV.

First most people don’t use a long distance charging network that often. Some have a second car that’s ICE, some just don’t road trip a lot. I go up to New England once a year and the charging network is perfectly adequate for that trip. Why would I buy a car I’ll drive every day just to cover the few days a year I am driving long distance. Hell I’d rather rent an ICE than buy a car I don’t want for those couple days.

Second Tesla is losing ground every day on this “advantage”. EV America has billions to spend, the feds are spending billions— that’s why Tesla will make their network open to all, because there’s no way they will have a better network than every other entity combined. I’m not buying a car for the next 15 years based on a network that I use a couple times a year and will be obsolete in 5 years.

Maybe you use the long distance network every weekend— then maybe tesla is right for you, or maybe an ICE is. But declaring that as of today every other EV is garbage is just Musk fanboy nonsense

All good points. Since we are an ev only household, teslas are a must. And since the batteries are warrantied for 150k miles and we hope they will make it to 500k+ miles, these cars are going to be going on many more road trips! Ideally, eventually every household will be 100% ev, powered by solar and an extensive UNIVERSAL charging network. Would love to see solar powered city car shares like the citibike scheme.

DP. Do you drive 250–300+ miles EVERY DAY? No? Then you’re charging at home 99% of the time and not using that awesome Tesla charging network. That was pp’s point, which you missed or ignored.

I’ve had a non-Tesla EV for over a year and 99% of the time it charges at my house. The few times I’ve gone on the road with it I haven’t had a problem finding a non-Tesla charger. I haven’t tried it out in rural bumwhatever, but then again I haven’t had any reason to go there.

Making it all about Tesla’s charging network is a red herring.

It actually is important to people who do take road trips often and/or hate waiting to charge. I barely stop in our ICE car so stopping for 30+ minutes multiple times just wouldn't work for me.

We have a Tesla and a non-Tesla EV. The Tesla is barely tolerable on shorter road trips and only because of the super fast chargers (15 min to add 200 mile range) and longer range (~400 miles). The non-Tesla is strictly for in-town driving.

Well no wonder you’re obsessed with Tesla’s chargers. You reserve the Tesla for longer trips and your gas car for shorter (in-town) trips. Not the choice most would make, but you do you. The rest of us are using our EVs to drive to work and charging them at home at night.

Re-read. Our other car is a non-Tesla EV. We use it for daily driving and charge it at home every night. I would absolutely never take it on a road trip.

And I’m a DP.

You do you. Lots of us don't mind, in fact welcome, having to get a coffee at the station while the EV charges. We must not be in as much of a hurry.

Enjoy all of those coffees.

I hate Musk but, for road trips, Teslas are still the best option - by far. Charging speed and network are important. Hope we get better alternatives soon.

+1 Loathe the man and will not buy one of his cars. Partly because of him and partly because his cars have quality issues and the service model is scary to me (I don't trust Tesla). Having said that, the supercharger network is heads and tails ahead of everyone else. If you have a home charger and your use is mostly in/round town with maybe one distance trip per year it isn't an issue, but if you have a 2nd home hundreds of miles away and/or you travel distances and across the country the charging network is not there yet. This article was one of the things that convinced us that for our use EV was not for us (yet). https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/road-tripping-in-our-long-term-electric-test-cars/

We haven't really had any significant problems with a non-Tesla EV going on road trips from D.C. to New York or to the Delaware beaches (and charging on the Eastern Shore is generally pretty bad, but not so bad you can't make it work). I guess if you do much longer road trips very frequently, that might be an issue, but we go on a total of about six or seven D.C.-NY or D.C.-Del. trips a year, sometimes more, and it's been fine and is improving rapidly.

This. Unless your commute is 200+ miles daily, finding chargers away from home is a non-issue. Ditto if you only make a few DC-NY or similar trips per year. If you take longer trips on a regular basis, keep an old ICE around until the technology catches up, because most families have second cars anyway.

Not in DC. Average in DC is actually just barely over 1 per hh.

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Anonymous wrote:Tesla still has an advantage in long distance networks, esp for some trips but that’s a dumb reason to say they are the only choice for an EV.

First most people don’t use a long distance charging network that often. Some have a second car that’s ICE, some just don’t road trip a lot. I go up to New England once a year and the charging network is perfectly adequate for that trip. Why would I buy a car I’ll drive every day just to cover the few days a year I am driving long distance. Hell I’d rather rent an ICE than buy a car I don’t want for those couple days.

Second Tesla is losing ground every day on this “advantage”. EV America has billions to spend, the feds are spending billions— that’s why Tesla will make their network open to all, because there’s no way they will have a better network than every other entity combined. I’m not buying a car for the next 15 years based on a network that I use a couple times a year and will be obsolete in 5 years.

Maybe you use the long distance network every weekend— then maybe tesla is right for you, or maybe an ICE is. But declaring that as of today every other EV is garbage is just Musk fanboy nonsense

All good points. Since we are an ev only household, teslas are a must. And since the batteries are warrantied for 150k miles and we hope they will make it to 500k+ miles, these cars are going to be going on many more road trips! Ideally, eventually every household will be 100% ev, powered by solar and an extensive UNIVERSAL charging network. Would love to see solar powered city car shares like the citibike scheme.

DP. Do you drive 250–300+ miles EVERY DAY? No? Then you’re charging at home 99% of the time and not using that awesome Tesla charging network. That was pp’s point, which you missed or ignored.

I’ve had a non-Tesla EV for over a year and 99% of the time it charges at my house. The few times I’ve gone on the road with it I haven’t had a problem finding a non-Tesla charger. I haven’t tried it out in rural bumwhatever, but then again I haven’t had any reason to go there.

Making it all about Tesla’s charging network is a red herring.

It actually is important to people who do take road trips often and/or hate waiting to charge. I barely stop in our ICE car so stopping for 30+ minutes multiple times just wouldn't work for me.

We have a Tesla and a non-Tesla EV. The Tesla is barely tolerable on shorter road trips and only because of the super fast chargers (15 min to add 200 mile range) and longer range (~400 miles). The non-Tesla is strictly for in-town driving.

Well no wonder you’re obsessed with Tesla’s chargers. You reserve the Tesla for longer trips and your gas car for shorter (in-town) trips. Not the choice most would make, but you do you. The rest of us are using our EVs to drive to work and charging them at home at night.

Re-read. Our other car is a non-Tesla EV. We use it for daily driving and charge it at home every night. I would absolutely never take it on a road trip.

And I’m a DP.

You do you. Lots of us don't mind, in fact welcome, having to get a coffee at the station while the EV charges. We must not be in as much of a hurry.

Enjoy all of those coffees.

I hate Musk but, for road trips, Teslas are still the best option - by far. Charging speed and network are important. Hope we get better alternatives soon.

+1 Loathe the man and will not buy one of his cars. Partly because of him and partly because his cars have quality issues and the service model is scary to me (I don't trust Tesla). Having said that, the supercharger network is heads and tails ahead of everyone else. If you have a home charger and your use is mostly in/round town with maybe one distance trip per year it isn't an issue, but if you have a 2nd home hundreds of miles away and/or you travel distances and across the country the charging network is not there yet. This article was one of the things that convinced us that for our use EV was not for us (yet). https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/road-tripping-in-our-long-term-electric-test-cars/

We haven't really had any significant problems with a non-Tesla EV going on road trips from D.C. to New York or to the Delaware beaches (and charging on the Eastern Shore is generally pretty bad, but not so bad you can't make it work). I guess if you do much longer road trips very frequently, that might be an issue, but we go on a total of about six or seven D.C.-NY or D.C.-Del. trips a year, sometimes more, and it's been fine and is improving rapidly.

This. Unless your commute is 200+ miles daily, finding chargers away from home is a non-issue. Ditto if you only make a few DC-NY or similar trips per year. If you take longer trips on a regular basis, keep an old ICE around until the technology catches up, because most families have second cars anyway.

There *are* chargers, especially along 95, but you have to stop more often because your range isn’t that great and it takes longer to charge because your chargers are slower.

If you don’t mind multiple, long coffee breaks, you’re all set.

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Anonymous wrote:Tesla still has an advantage in long distance networks, esp for some trips but that’s a dumb reason to say they are the only choice for an EV.

First most people don’t use a long distance charging network that often. Some have a second car that’s ICE, some just don’t road trip a lot. I go up to New England once a year and the charging network is perfectly adequate for that trip. Why would I buy a car I’ll drive every day just to cover the few days a year I am driving long distance. Hell I’d rather rent an ICE than buy a car I don’t want for those couple days.

Second Tesla is losing ground every day on this “advantage”. EV America has billions to spend, the feds are spending billions— that’s why Tesla will make their network open to all, because there’s no way they will have a better network than every other entity combined. I’m not buying a car for the next 15 years based on a network that I use a couple times a year and will be obsolete in 5 years.

Maybe you use the long distance network every weekend— then maybe tesla is right for you, or maybe an ICE is. But declaring that as of today every other EV is garbage is just Musk fanboy nonsense

All good points. Since we are an ev only household, teslas are a must. And since the batteries are warrantied for 150k miles and we hope they will make it to 500k+ miles, these cars are going to be going on many more road trips! Ideally, eventually every household will be 100% ev, powered by solar and an extensive UNIVERSAL charging network. Would love to see solar powered city car shares like the citibike scheme.

DP. Do you drive 250–300+ miles EVERY DAY? No? Then you’re charging at home 99% of the time and not using that awesome Tesla charging network. That was pp’s point, which you missed or ignored.

I’ve had a non-Tesla EV for over a year and 99% of the time it charges at my house. The few times I’ve gone on the road with it I haven’t had a problem finding a non-Tesla charger. I haven’t tried it out in rural bumwhatever, but then again I haven’t had any reason to go there.

Making it all about Tesla’s charging network is a red herring.

It actually is important to people who do take road trips often and/or hate waiting to charge. I barely stop in our ICE car so stopping for 30+ minutes multiple times just wouldn't work for me.

We have a Tesla and a non-Tesla EV. The Tesla is barely tolerable on shorter road trips and only because of the super fast chargers (15 min to add 200 mile range) and longer range (~400 miles). The non-Tesla is strictly for in-town driving.

Well no wonder you’re obsessed with Tesla’s chargers. You reserve the Tesla for longer trips and your gas car for shorter (in-town) trips. Not the choice most would make, but you do you. The rest of us are using our EVs to drive to work and charging them at home at night.

Re-read. Our other car is a non-Tesla EV. We use it for daily driving and charge it at home every night. I would absolutely never take it on a road trip.

And I’m a DP.

You do you. Lots of us don't mind, in fact welcome, having to get a coffee at the station while the EV charges. We must not be in as much of a hurry.

Enjoy all of those coffees.

I hate Musk but, for road trips, Teslas are still the best option - by far. Charging speed and network are important. Hope we get better alternatives soon.

+1 Loathe the man and will not buy one of his cars. Partly because of him and partly because his cars have quality issues and the service model is scary to me (I don't trust Tesla). Having said that, the supercharger network is heads and tails ahead of everyone else. If you have a home charger and your use is mostly in/round town with maybe one distance trip per year it isn't an issue, but if you have a 2nd home hundreds of miles away and/or you travel distances and across the country the charging network is not there yet. This article was one of the things that convinced us that for our use EV was not for us (yet). https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/road-tripping-in-our-long-term-electric-test-cars/

We haven't really had any significant problems with a non-Tesla EV going on road trips from D.C. to New York or to the Delaware beaches (and charging on the Eastern Shore is generally pretty bad, but not so bad you can't make it work). I guess if you do much longer road trips very frequently, that might be an issue, but we go on a total of about six or seven D.C.-NY or D.C.-Del. trips a year, sometimes more, and it's been fine and is improving rapidly.

This. Unless your commute is 200+ miles daily, finding chargers away from home is a non-issue. Ditto if you only make a few DC-NY or similar trips per year. If you take longer trips on a regular basis, keep an old ICE around until the technology catches up, because most families have second cars anyway.

Why would I use an old car to make long road trips? Shouldn't you have a newer car on hand for that? Also, for the charging along the way, the length of time it takes to charge is an issue for us. We are waiting until the charging is faster and less frequent.

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Anonymous wrote:Tesla still has an advantage in long distance networks, esp for some trips but that’s a dumb reason to say they are the only choice for an EV.

First most people don’t use a long distance charging network that often. Some have a second car that’s ICE, some just don’t road trip a lot. I go up to New England once a year and the charging network is perfectly adequate for that trip. Why would I buy a car I’ll drive every day just to cover the few days a year I am driving long distance. Hell I’d rather rent an ICE than buy a car I don’t want for those couple days.

Second Tesla is losing ground every day on this “advantage”. EV America has billions to spend, the feds are spending billions— that’s why Tesla will make their network open to all, because there’s no way they will have a better network than every other entity combined. I’m not buying a car for the next 15 years based on a network that I use a couple times a year and will be obsolete in 5 years.

Maybe you use the long distance network every weekend— then maybe tesla is right for you, or maybe an ICE is. But declaring that as of today every other EV is garbage is just Musk fanboy nonsense

All good points. Since we are an ev only household, teslas are a must. And since the batteries are warrantied for 150k miles and we hope they will make it to 500k+ miles, these cars are going to be going on many more road trips! Ideally, eventually every household will be 100% ev, powered by solar and an extensive UNIVERSAL charging network. Would love to see solar powered city car shares like the citibike scheme.

DP. Do you drive 250–300+ miles EVERY DAY? No? Then you’re charging at home 99% of the time and not using that awesome Tesla charging network. That was pp’s point, which you missed or ignored.

I’ve had a non-Tesla EV for over a year and 99% of the time it charges at my house. The few times I’ve gone on the road with it I haven’t had a problem finding a non-Tesla charger. I haven’t tried it out in rural bumwhatever, but then again I haven’t had any reason to go there.

Making it all about Tesla’s charging network is a red herring.

It actually is important to people who do take road trips often and/or hate waiting to charge. I barely stop in our ICE car so stopping for 30+ minutes multiple times just wouldn't work for me.

We have a Tesla and a non-Tesla EV. The Tesla is barely tolerable on shorter road trips and only because of the super fast chargers (15 min to add 200 mile range) and longer range (~400 miles). The non-Tesla is strictly for in-town driving.

Well no wonder you’re obsessed with Tesla’s chargers. You reserve the Tesla for longer trips and your gas car for shorter (in-town) trips. Not the choice most would make, but you do you. The rest of us are using our EVs to drive to work and charging them at home at night.

Re-read. Our other car is a non-Tesla EV. We use it for daily driving and charge it at home every night. I would absolutely never take it on a road trip.

And I’m a DP.

You do you. Lots of us don't mind, in fact welcome, having to get a coffee at the station while the EV charges. We must not be in as much of a hurry.

Enjoy all of those coffees.

I hate Musk but, for road trips, Teslas are still the best option - by far. Charging speed and network are important. Hope we get better alternatives soon.

+1 Loathe the man and will not buy one of his cars. Partly because of him and partly because his cars have quality issues and the service model is scary to me (I don't trust Tesla). Having said that, the supercharger network is heads and tails ahead of everyone else. If you have a home charger and your use is mostly in/round town with maybe one distance trip per year it isn't an issue, but if you have a 2nd home hundreds of miles away and/or you travel distances and across the country the charging network is not there yet. This article was one of the things that convinced us that for our use EV was not for us (yet). https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/road-tripping-in-our-long-term-electric-test-cars/

We haven't really had any significant problems with a non-Tesla EV going on road trips from D.C. to New York or to the Delaware beaches (and charging on the Eastern Shore is generally pretty bad, but not so bad you can't make it work). I guess if you do much longer road trips very frequently, that might be an issue, but we go on a total of about six or seven D.C.-NY or D.C.-Del. trips a year, sometimes more, and it's been fine and is improving rapidly.

This. Unless your commute is 200+ miles daily, finding chargers away from home is a non-issue. Ditto if you only make a few DC-NY or similar trips per year. If you take longer trips on a regular basis, keep an old ICE around until the technology catches up, because most families have second cars anyway.

There *are* chargers, especially along 95, but you have to stop more often because your range isn’t that great and it takes longer to charge because your chargers are slower.

If you don’t mind multiple, long coffee breaks, you’re all set.

the average range for a new EV right now is 300 miles, and charging speeds are increasing as well. Going from here to NY might require a 10 minute stop.

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Anonymous wrote:Tesla still has an advantage in long distance networks, esp for some trips but that’s a dumb reason to say they are the only choice for an EV.

First most people don’t use a long distance charging network that often. Some have a second car that’s ICE, some just don’t road trip a lot. I go up to New England once a year and the charging network is perfectly adequate for that trip. Why would I buy a car I’ll drive every day just to cover the few days a year I am driving long distance. Hell I’d rather rent an ICE than buy a car I don’t want for those couple days.

Second Tesla is losing ground every day on this “advantage”. EV America has billions to spend, the feds are spending billions— that’s why Tesla will make their network open to all, because there’s no way they will have a better network than every other entity combined. I’m not buying a car for the next 15 years based on a network that I use a couple times a year and will be obsolete in 5 years.

Maybe you use the long distance network every weekend— then maybe tesla is right for you, or maybe an ICE is. But declaring that as of today every other EV is garbage is just Musk fanboy nonsense

All good points. Since we are an ev only household, teslas are a must. And since the batteries are warrantied for 150k miles and we hope they will make it to 500k+ miles, these cars are going to be going on many more road trips! Ideally, eventually every household will be 100% ev, powered by solar and an extensive UNIVERSAL charging network. Would love to see solar powered city car shares like the citibike scheme.

DP. Do you drive 250–300+ miles EVERY DAY? No? Then you’re charging at home 99% of the time and not using that awesome Tesla charging network. That was pp’s point, which you missed or ignored.

I’ve had a non-Tesla EV for over a year and 99% of the time it charges at my house. The few times I’ve gone on the road with it I haven’t had a problem finding a non-Tesla charger. I haven’t tried it out in rural bumwhatever, but then again I haven’t had any reason to go there.

Making it all about Tesla’s charging network is a red herring.

It actually is important to people who do take road trips often and/or hate waiting to charge. I barely stop in our ICE car so stopping for 30+ minutes multiple times just wouldn't work for me.

We have a Tesla and a non-Tesla EV. The Tesla is barely tolerable on shorter road trips and only because of the super fast chargers (15 min to add 200 mile range) and longer range (~400 miles). The non-Tesla is strictly for in-town driving.

Well no wonder you’re obsessed with Tesla’s chargers. You reserve the Tesla for longer trips and your gas car for shorter (in-town) trips. Not the choice most would make, but you do you. The rest of us are using our EVs to drive to work and charging them at home at night.

Re-read. Our other car is a non-Tesla EV. We use it for daily driving and charge it at home every night. I would absolutely never take it on a road trip.

And I’m a DP.

You do you. Lots of us don't mind, in fact welcome, having to get a coffee at the station while the EV charges. We must not be in as much of a hurry.

Enjoy all of those coffees.

I hate Musk but, for road trips, Teslas are still the best option - by far. Charging speed and network are important. Hope we get better alternatives soon.

+1 Loathe the man and will not buy one of his cars. Partly because of him and partly because his cars have quality issues and the service model is scary to me (I don't trust Tesla). Having said that, the supercharger network is heads and tails ahead of everyone else. If you have a home charger and your use is mostly in/round town with maybe one distance trip per year it isn't an issue, but if you have a 2nd home hundreds of miles away and/or you travel distances and across the country the charging network is not there yet. This article was one of the things that convinced us that for our use EV was not for us (yet). https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/road-tripping-in-our-long-term-electric-test-cars/

We haven't really had any significant problems with a non-Tesla EV going on road trips from D.C. to New York or to the Delaware beaches (and charging on the Eastern Shore is generally pretty bad, but not so bad you can't make it work). I guess if you do much longer road trips very frequently, that might be an issue, but we go on a total of about six or seven D.C.-NY or D.C.-Del. trips a year, sometimes more, and it's been fine and is improving rapidly.

This. Unless your commute is 200+ miles daily, finding chargers away from home is a non-issue. Ditto if you only make a few DC-NY or similar trips per year. If you take longer trips on a regular basis, keep an old ICE around until the technology catches up, because most families have second cars anyway.

There *are* chargers, especially along 95, but you have to stop more often because your range isn’t that great and it takes longer to charge because your chargers are slower.

If you don’t mind multiple, long coffee breaks, you’re all set.

We stop either once on the way to/from New York (halfway, for 20-25 minutes) or twice for about 10 minutes each. It's possible to do it with less total charging time, but then we tend to arrive back in D.C. with under 20 percent battery, and I'd rather spend a total of an extra 8 minutes on a 4-hour drive to avoid needing to worry about range. The stops usually line up with when my kids want food or to use the bathroom, anyway.

When we did the same trip in a gas car, we stopped about as often for maybe a grand total of 10 fewer minutes, so for us, using the EV for this trip is essentially the same thing.

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Anonymous wrote:Tesla still has an advantage in long distance networks, esp for some trips but that’s a dumb reason to say they are the only choice for an EV.

First most people don’t use a long distance charging network that often. Some have a second car that’s ICE, some just don’t road trip a lot. I go up to New England once a year and the charging network is perfectly adequate for that trip. Why would I buy a car I’ll drive every day just to cover the few days a year I am driving long distance. Hell I’d rather rent an ICE than buy a car I don’t want for those couple days.

Second Tesla is losing ground every day on this “advantage”. EV America has billions to spend, the feds are spending billions— that’s why Tesla will make their network open to all, because there’s no way they will have a better network than every other entity combined. I’m not buying a car for the next 15 years based on a network that I use a couple times a year and will be obsolete in 5 years.

Maybe you use the long distance network every weekend— then maybe tesla is right for you, or maybe an ICE is. But declaring that as of today every other EV is garbage is just Musk fanboy nonsense

All good points. Since we are an ev only household, teslas are a must. And since the batteries are warrantied for 150k miles and we hope they will make it to 500k+ miles, these cars are going to be going on many more road trips! Ideally, eventually every household will be 100% ev, powered by solar and an extensive UNIVERSAL charging network. Would love to see solar powered city car shares like the citibike scheme.

DP. Do you drive 250–300+ miles EVERY DAY? No? Then you’re charging at home 99% of the time and not using that awesome Tesla charging network. That was pp’s point, which you missed or ignored.

I’ve had a non-Tesla EV for over a year and 99% of the time it charges at my house. The few times I’ve gone on the road with it I haven’t had a problem finding a non-Tesla charger. I haven’t tried it out in rural bumwhatever, but then again I haven’t had any reason to go there.

Making it all about Tesla’s charging network is a red herring.

It actually is important to people who do take road trips often and/or hate waiting to charge. I barely stop in our ICE car so stopping for 30+ minutes multiple times just wouldn't work for me.

We have a Tesla and a non-Tesla EV. The Tesla is barely tolerable on shorter road trips and only because of the super fast chargers (15 min to add 200 mile range) and longer range (~400 miles). The non-Tesla is strictly for in-town driving.

Well no wonder you’re obsessed with Tesla’s chargers. You reserve the Tesla for longer trips and your gas car for shorter (in-town) trips. Not the choice most would make, but you do you. The rest of us are using our EVs to drive to work and charging them at home at night.

Re-read. Our other car is a non-Tesla EV. We use it for daily driving and charge it at home every night. I would absolutely never take it on a road trip.

And I’m a DP.

You do you. Lots of us don't mind, in fact welcome, having to get a coffee at the station while the EV charges. We must not be in as much of a hurry.

Enjoy all of those coffees.

I hate Musk but, for road trips, Teslas are still the best option - by far. Charging speed and network are important. Hope we get better alternatives soon.

+1 Loathe the man and will not buy one of his cars. Partly because of him and partly because his cars have quality issues and the service model is scary to me (I don't trust Tesla). Having said that, the supercharger network is heads and tails ahead of everyone else. If you have a home charger and your use is mostly in/round town with maybe one distance trip per year it isn't an issue, but if you have a 2nd home hundreds of miles away and/or you travel distances and across the country the charging network is not there yet. This article was one of the things that convinced us that for our use EV was not for us (yet). https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/road-tripping-in-our-long-term-electric-test-cars/

We haven't really had any significant problems with a non-Tesla EV going on road trips from D.C. to New York or to the Delaware beaches (and charging on the Eastern Shore is generally pretty bad, but not so bad you can't make it work). I guess if you do much longer road trips very frequently, that might be an issue, but we go on a total of about six or seven D.C.-NY or D.C.-Del. trips a year, sometimes more, and it's been fine and is improving rapidly.

This. Unless your commute is 200+ miles daily, finding chargers away from home is a non-issue. Ditto if you only make a few DC-NY or similar trips per year. If you take longer trips on a regular basis, keep an old ICE around until the technology catches up, because most families have second cars anyway.

There *are* chargers, especially along 95, but you have to stop more often because your range isn’t that great and it takes longer to charge because your chargers are slower.

If you don’t mind multiple, long coffee breaks, you’re all set.

the average range for a new EV right now is 300 miles, and charging speeds are increasing as well. Going from here to NY might require a 10 minute stop.

I'm neither an EV evangelist nor an ICE devotee. The actual range for EVs is not close to that. Car & Driver looked at actual vs reported. This link has a handy chart of the actual results and their methodology.

https://www.caranddriver.com/shopping-advice/a32603216/ev-range-explained/

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Anonymous wrote:Tesla still has an advantage in long distance networks, esp for some trips but that’s a dumb reason to say they are the only choice for an EV.

First most people don’t use a long distance charging network that often. Some have a second car that’s ICE, some just don’t road trip a lot. I go up to New England once a year and the charging network is perfectly adequate for that trip. Why would I buy a car I’ll drive every day just to cover the few days a year I am driving long distance. Hell I’d rather rent an ICE than buy a car I don’t want for those couple days.

Second Tesla is losing ground every day on this “advantage”. EV America has billions to spend, the feds are spending billions— that’s why Tesla will make their network open to all, because there’s no way they will have a better network than every other entity combined. I’m not buying a car for the next 15 years based on a network that I use a couple times a year and will be obsolete in 5 years.

Maybe you use the long distance network every weekend— then maybe tesla is right for you, or maybe an ICE is. But declaring that as of today every other EV is garbage is just Musk fanboy nonsense

All good points. Since we are an ev only household, teslas are a must. And since the batteries are warrantied for 150k miles and we hope they will make it to 500k+ miles, these cars are going to be going on many more road trips! Ideally, eventually every household will be 100% ev, powered by solar and an extensive UNIVERSAL charging network. Would love to see solar powered city car shares like the citibike scheme.

DP. Do you drive 250–300+ miles EVERY DAY? No? Then you’re charging at home 99% of the time and not using that awesome Tesla charging network. That was pp’s point, which you missed or ignored.

I’ve had a non-Tesla EV for over a year and 99% of the time it charges at my house. The few times I’ve gone on the road with it I haven’t had a problem finding a non-Tesla charger. I haven’t tried it out in rural bumwhatever, but then again I haven’t had any reason to go there.

Making it all about Tesla’s charging network is a red herring.

It actually is important to people who do take road trips often and/or hate waiting to charge. I barely stop in our ICE car so stopping for 30+ minutes multiple times just wouldn't work for me.

We have a Tesla and a non-Tesla EV. The Tesla is barely tolerable on shorter road trips and only because of the super fast chargers (15 min to add 200 mile range) and longer range (~400 miles). The non-Tesla is strictly for in-town driving.

Well no wonder you’re obsessed with Tesla’s chargers. You reserve the Tesla for longer trips and your gas car for shorter (in-town) trips. Not the choice most would make, but you do you. The rest of us are using our EVs to drive to work and charging them at home at night.

Re-read. Our other car is a non-Tesla EV. We use it for daily driving and charge it at home every night. I would absolutely never take it on a road trip.

And I’m a DP.

You do you. Lots of us don't mind, in fact welcome, having to get a coffee at the station while the EV charges. We must not be in as much of a hurry.

Enjoy all of those coffees.

I hate Musk but, for road trips, Teslas are still the best option - by far. Charging speed and network are important. Hope we get better alternatives soon.

+1 Loathe the man and will not buy one of his cars. Partly because of him and partly because his cars have quality issues and the service model is scary to me (I don't trust Tesla). Having said that, the supercharger network is heads and tails ahead of everyone else. If you have a home charger and your use is mostly in/round town with maybe one distance trip per year it isn't an issue, but if you have a 2nd home hundreds of miles away and/or you travel distances and across the country the charging network is not there yet. This article was one of the things that convinced us that for our use EV was not for us (yet). https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/road-tripping-in-our-long-term-electric-test-cars/

We haven't really had any significant problems with a non-Tesla EV going on road trips from D.C. to New York or to the Delaware beaches (and charging on the Eastern Shore is generally pretty bad, but not so bad you can't make it work). I guess if you do much longer road trips very frequently, that might be an issue, but we go on a total of about six or seven D.C.-NY or D.C.-Del. trips a year, sometimes more, and it's been fine and is improving rapidly.

This. Unless your commute is 200+ miles daily, finding chargers away from home is a non-issue. Ditto if you only make a few DC-NY or similar trips per year. If you take longer trips on a regular basis, keep an old ICE around until the technology catches up, because most families have second cars anyway.

There *are* chargers, especially along 95, but you have to stop more often because your range isn’t that great and it takes longer to charge because your chargers are slower.

If you don’t mind multiple, long coffee breaks, you’re all set.

the average range for a new EV right now is 300 miles, and charging speeds are increasing as well. Going from here to NY might require a 10 minute stop.

In a Tesla at a supercharger, sure.

Average range for non-Tesla is more like 200. And with a slower charger? Not 10 minutes.

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Anonymous wrote:Tesla still has an advantage in long distance networks, esp for some trips but that’s a dumb reason to say they are the only choice for an EV.

First most people don’t use a long distance charging network that often. Some have a second car that’s ICE, some just don’t road trip a lot. I go up to New England once a year and the charging network is perfectly adequate for that trip. Why would I buy a car I’ll drive every day just to cover the few days a year I am driving long distance. Hell I’d rather rent an ICE than buy a car I don’t want for those couple days.

Second Tesla is losing ground every day on this “advantage”. EV America has billions to spend, the feds are spending billions— that’s why Tesla will make their network open to all, because there’s no way they will have a better network than every other entity combined. I’m not buying a car for the next 15 years based on a network that I use a couple times a year and will be obsolete in 5 years.

Maybe you use the long distance network every weekend— then maybe tesla is right for you, or maybe an ICE is. But declaring that as of today every other EV is garbage is just Musk fanboy nonsense

All good points. Since we are an ev only household, teslas are a must. And since the batteries are warrantied for 150k miles and we hope they will make it to 500k+ miles, these cars are going to be going on many more road trips! Ideally, eventually every household will be 100% ev, powered by solar and an extensive UNIVERSAL charging network. Would love to see solar powered city car shares like the citibike scheme.

DP. Do you drive 250–300+ miles EVERY DAY? No? Then you’re charging at home 99% of the time and not using that awesome Tesla charging network. That was pp’s point, which you missed or ignored.

I’ve had a non-Tesla EV for over a year and 99% of the time it charges at my house. The few times I’ve gone on the road with it I haven’t had a problem finding a non-Tesla charger. I haven’t tried it out in rural bumwhatever, but then again I haven’t had any reason to go there.

Making it all about Tesla’s charging network is a red herring.

It actually is important to people who do take road trips often and/or hate waiting to charge. I barely stop in our ICE car so stopping for 30+ minutes multiple times just wouldn't work for me.

We have a Tesla and a non-Tesla EV. The Tesla is barely tolerable on shorter road trips and only because of the super fast chargers (15 min to add 200 mile range) and longer range (~400 miles). The non-Tesla is strictly for in-town driving.

Well no wonder you’re obsessed with Tesla’s chargers. You reserve the Tesla for longer trips and your gas car for shorter (in-town) trips. Not the choice most would make, but you do you. The rest of us are using our EVs to drive to work and charging them at home at night.

Re-read. Our other car is a non-Tesla EV. We use it for daily driving and charge it at home every night. I would absolutely never take it on a road trip.

And I’m a DP.

You do you. Lots of us don't mind, in fact welcome, having to get a coffee at the station while the EV charges. We must not be in as much of a hurry.

Enjoy all of those coffees.

I hate Musk but, for road trips, Teslas are still the best option - by far. Charging speed and network are important. Hope we get better alternatives soon.

+1 Loathe the man and will not buy one of his cars. Partly because of him and partly because his cars have quality issues and the service model is scary to me (I don't trust Tesla). Having said that, the supercharger network is heads and tails ahead of everyone else. If you have a home charger and your use is mostly in/round town with maybe one distance trip per year it isn't an issue, but if you have a 2nd home hundreds of miles away and/or you travel distances and across the country the charging network is not there yet. This article was one of the things that convinced us that for our use EV was not for us (yet). https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/road-tripping-in-our-long-term-electric-test-cars/

We haven't really had any significant problems with a non-Tesla EV going on road trips from D.C. to New York or to the Delaware beaches (and charging on the Eastern Shore is generally pretty bad, but not so bad you can't make it work). I guess if you do much longer road trips very frequently, that might be an issue, but we go on a total of about six or seven D.C.-NY or D.C.-Del. trips a year, sometimes more, and it's been fine and is improving rapidly.

This. Unless your commute is 200+ miles daily, finding chargers away from home is a non-issue. Ditto if you only make a few DC-NY or similar trips per year. If you take longer trips on a regular basis, keep an old ICE around until the technology catches up, because most families have second cars anyway.

There *are* chargers, especially along 95, but you have to stop more often because your range isn’t that great and it takes longer to charge because your chargers are slower.

If you don’t mind multiple, long coffee breaks, you’re all set.

the average range for a new EV right now is 300 miles, and charging speeds are increasing as well. Going from here to NY might require a 10 minute stop.

I'm neither an EV evangelist nor an ICE devotee. The actual range for EVs is not close to that. Car & Driver looked at actual vs reported. This link has a handy chart of the actual results and their methodology.

https://www.caranddriver.com/shopping-advice/a32603216/ev-range-explained/

PP probably read 300km average.

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Anonymous wrote:Tesla still has an advantage in long distance networks, esp for some trips but that’s a dumb reason to say they are the only choice for an EV.

First most people don’t use a long distance charging network that often. Some have a second car that’s ICE, some just don’t road trip a lot. I go up to New England once a year and the charging network is perfectly adequate for that trip. Why would I buy a car I’ll drive every day just to cover the few days a year I am driving long distance. Hell I’d rather rent an ICE than buy a car I don’t want for those couple days.

Second Tesla is losing ground every day on this “advantage”. EV America has billions to spend, the feds are spending billions— that’s why Tesla will make their network open to all, because there’s no way they will have a better network than every other entity combined. I’m not buying a car for the next 15 years based on a network that I use a couple times a year and will be obsolete in 5 years.

Maybe you use the long distance network every weekend— then maybe tesla is right for you, or maybe an ICE is. But declaring that as of today every other EV is garbage is just Musk fanboy nonsense

All good points. Since we are an ev only household, teslas are a must. And since the batteries are warrantied for 150k miles and we hope they will make it to 500k+ miles, these cars are going to be going on many more road trips! Ideally, eventually every household will be 100% ev, powered by solar and an extensive UNIVERSAL charging network. Would love to see solar powered city car shares like the citibike scheme.

DP. Do you drive 250–300+ miles EVERY DAY? No? Then you’re charging at home 99% of the time and not using that awesome Tesla charging network. That was pp’s point, which you missed or ignored.

I’ve had a non-Tesla EV for over a year and 99% of the time it charges at my house. The few times I’ve gone on the road with it I haven’t had a problem finding a non-Tesla charger. I haven’t tried it out in rural bumwhatever, but then again I haven’t had any reason to go there.

Making it all about Tesla’s charging network is a red herring.

It actually is important to people who do take road trips often and/or hate waiting to charge. I barely stop in our ICE car so stopping for 30+ minutes multiple times just wouldn't work for me.

We have a Tesla and a non-Tesla EV. The Tesla is barely tolerable on shorter road trips and only because of the super fast chargers (15 min to add 200 mile range) and longer range (~400 miles). The non-Tesla is strictly for in-town driving.

Well no wonder you’re obsessed with Tesla’s chargers. You reserve the Tesla for longer trips and your gas car for shorter (in-town) trips. Not the choice most would make, but you do you. The rest of us are using our EVs to drive to work and charging them at home at night.

Re-read. Our other car is a non-Tesla EV. We use it for daily driving and charge it at home every night. I would absolutely never take it on a road trip.

And I’m a DP.

You do you. Lots of us don't mind, in fact welcome, having to get a coffee at the station while the EV charges. We must not be in as much of a hurry.

Enjoy all of those coffees.

I hate Musk but, for road trips, Teslas are still the best option - by far. Charging speed and network are important. Hope we get better alternatives soon.

Actually no. Tesla's are not reliable enough for a long road trip. Nope not at all. 19 out of 24 per Consumer reports 2021 they were 27 out of 28. I would not say 2022 was a big jump for reliability. Plus getting stuck somewhere won't get parts so fun fun fun.

Tesla's are garbage. As EV's go others are way better.