Why do staunch republicans hate electric vehicles?

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We have solar panels and are self sufficient for electricity plus sending power back to the grid. If we get an EV, it will be powered by the sun.

But there’s the rub - the solar power your EV is using to get charged up could instead be going to the grid, where it would help everyone - IF - you didn’t have a car at all.

But you justify having a car because you think “sunshine is free”.

It’s not. By producing and using solar for your own purposes, you’re evading paying taxes on the power you would’ve otherwise had to purchase from a utility. Meaning you’re cheating the government - and all of us. And by using that power your solar panels created for your own uses, you’re denying that power to everyone else. And an equivalent amount of KW energy must then be produced by power plants - or other renewable sources - to make up for the KW’s that you diverted for your own use.

WTF kind of weird logic is that? No, using my own electricity is not “denying power to everyone else”. Where in the world do you get brainwashed like that?

By using electricity from the grid you are the one hurting all of us by contributing to global warming. Period.

If you have a personal solar array and are unconnected to the grid and use that solar power for your own personal uses, then you are evading paying the use-tax on the KWs you’re consuming that would otherwise be purchased from the grid and taxes paid on. It’s essentially stealing solar power. Or at the very least bootlegging solar power, because you aren’t paying taxes on it as you use it.

Da fuq?

If you have a solar panel and you are producing power with it that is replacing power you would otherwise be purchasing from a utility company - and paying taxes on - then you are essentially committing tax evasion. Because you aren’t paying the taxes on that equivalent amount of power that you are using.

This really isn’t a hard concept to grasp.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Be cause FREE-DUMBS!!!!!

They hated when the Obama admin wanted to keep the car industry alive and paid money to get rid of wasteful junkheaps. Off-road Jeep users are still bent out of shape seeing old CJs get scrapped.

The off road EV’s are a lot better vs the old jeeps.

Any off road vehicle should be banned immediately, regardless of power. EV’s don’t get a pass here. I can’t even fathom why a company would even build an EV jeep type vehicle. It’s disgusting to even think about.

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We have solar panels and are self sufficient for electricity plus sending power back to the grid. If we get an EV, it will be powered by the sun.

But there’s the rub - the solar power your EV is using to get charged up could instead be going to the grid, where it would help everyone - IF - you didn’t have a car at all.

But you justify having a car because you think “sunshine is free”.

It’s not. By producing and using solar for your own purposes, you’re evading paying taxes on the power you would’ve otherwise had to purchase from a utility. Meaning you’re cheating the government - and all of us. And by using that power your solar panels created for your own uses, you’re denying that power to everyone else. And an equivalent amount of KW energy must then be produced by power plants - or other renewable sources - to make up for the KW’s that you diverted for your own use.

WTF kind of weird logic is that? No, using my own electricity is not “denying power to everyone else”. Where in the world do you get brainwashed like that?

By using electricity from the grid you are the one hurting all of us by contributing to global warming. Period.

If you have a personal solar array and are unconnected to the grid and use that solar power for your own personal uses, then you are evading paying the use-tax on the KWs you’re consuming that would otherwise be purchased from the grid and taxes paid on. It’s essentially stealing solar power. Or at the very least bootlegging solar power, because you aren’t paying taxes on it as you use it.

Da fuq?

If you have a solar panel and you are producing power with it that is replacing power you would otherwise be purchasing from a utility company - and paying taxes on - then you are essentially committing tax evasion. Because you aren’t paying the taxes on that equivalent amount of power that you are using.

This really isn’t a hard concept to grasp.

So you think that the utility company is owed a stipend by you every month? How much should you pay? Should you try to use less power or is that commiting tax evasion?
Now that I'm typing this, I realize you are a troll, right?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Be cause FREE-DUMBS!!!!!

They hated when the Obama admin wanted to keep the car industry alive and paid money to get rid of wasteful junkheaps. Off-road Jeep users are still bent out of shape seeing old CJs get scrapped.

The off road EV’s are a lot better vs the old jeeps.

Any off road vehicle should be banned immediately, regardless of power. EV’s don’t get a pass here. I can’t even fathom why a company would even build an EV jeep type vehicle. It’s disgusting to even think about.

You do realize that the entire country isn't urban, right? While I don't sre a need for them in the cities, I do see a need for them in more rural areas.

This is the type of nonsense that answers PPs question. The other side is no better, see guns, and that's the problem.

[Anonymous]

Even more perplexing: how so many of them flip flopped on eV because Elon Musk wants to buy Twitter. Or because he moved to Texas.

It’s very tiring to be a modern conservative.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Even more perplexing: how so many of them flip flopped on eV because Elon Musk wants to buy Twitter. Or because he moved to Texas.

It’s very tiring to be a modern conservative.

Explain?

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We have solar panels and are self sufficient for electricity plus sending power back to the grid. If we get an EV, it will be powered by the sun.

But there’s the rub - the solar power your EV is using to get charged up could instead be going to the grid, where it would help everyone - IF - you didn’t have a car at all.

But you justify having a car because you think “sunshine is free”.

It’s not. By producing and using solar for your own purposes, you’re evading paying taxes on the power you would’ve otherwise had to purchase from a utility. Meaning you’re cheating the government - and all of us. And by using that power your solar panels created for your own uses, you’re denying that power to everyone else. And an equivalent amount of KW energy must then be produced by power plants - or other renewable sources - to make up for the KW’s that you diverted for your own use.

WTF kind of weird logic is that? No, using my own electricity is not “denying power to everyone else”. Where in the world do you get brainwashed like that?

By using electricity from the grid you are the one hurting all of us by contributing to global warming. Period.

If you have a personal solar array and are unconnected to the grid and use that solar power for your own personal uses, then you are evading paying the use-tax on the KWs you’re consuming that would otherwise be purchased from the grid and taxes paid on. It’s essentially stealing solar power. Or at the very least bootlegging solar power, because you aren’t paying taxes on it as you use it.

Da fuq?

If you have a solar panel and you are producing power with it that is replacing power you would otherwise be purchasing from a utility company - and paying taxes on - then you are essentially committing tax evasion. Because you aren’t paying the taxes on that equivalent amount of power that you are using.

This really isn’t a hard concept to grasp.

So you think that the utility company is owed a stipend by you every month? How much should you pay? Should you try to use less power or is that commiting tax evasion?
Now that I'm typing this, I realize you are a troll, right?

I didn’t say you owed the utility company a stipend - I said you aren’t paying taxes on the power you produced and consumed. I don’t give a damn about the utility. My issue is with the taxes you’re cheating the government out of by not purchasing the KWs you consumed.

Reading is fundamental. But I suppose you call anything you’re not equipped to comprehend “trolling”.


Go back to eating horse paste and injecting bleach.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Be cause FREE-DUMBS!!!!!

They hated when the Obama admin wanted to keep the car industry alive and paid money to get rid of wasteful junkheaps. Off-road Jeep users are still bent out of shape seeing old CJs get scrapped.

The off road EV’s are a lot better vs the old jeeps.

Any off road vehicle should be banned immediately, regardless of power. EV’s don’t get a pass here. I can’t even fathom why a company would even build an EV jeep type vehicle. It’s disgusting to even think about.

You do realize that the entire country isn't urban, right? While I don't sre a need for them in the cities, I do see a need for them in more rural areas.

This is the type of nonsense that answers PPs question. The other side is no better, see guns, and that's the problem.

And by offering vehicles that can be used in rural areas we are perpetuating degradation of wild places instead of encouraging people to move into cities. JFC do you really not understand this? People only stay in rural areas and drive in these places because they have the means of doing so. If they didn’t they’d leave.

We saw people in jeeps doing donuts in meadows and mud bogging in streams at Yellowstone National Park. I’ve seen photos of jeepers driving on hiking trails in Yosemite. You can’t even walk on a trail in Arches or Zion without risking being run down by some yahoo in a jeep type vehicle. All in blatant violation of a strict ban of off road vehicles in those places.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
We have solar panels and are self sufficient for electricity plus sending power back to the grid. If we get an EV, it will be powered by the sun.

But there’s the rub - the solar power your EV is using to get charged up could instead be going to the grid, where it would help everyone - IF - you didn’t have a car at all.

But you justify having a car because you think “sunshine is free”.

It’s not. By producing and using solar for your own purposes, you’re evading paying taxes on the power you would’ve otherwise had to purchase from a utility. Meaning you’re cheating the government - and all of us. And by using that power your solar panels created for your own uses, you’re denying that power to everyone else. And an equivalent amount of KW energy must then be produced by power plants - or other renewable sources - to make up for the KW’s that you diverted for your own use.

WTF kind of weird logic is that? No, using my own electricity is not “denying power to everyone else”. Where in the world do you get brainwashed like that?

By using electricity from the grid you are the one hurting all of us by contributing to global warming. Period.

If you have a personal solar array and are unconnected to the grid and use that solar power for your own personal uses, then you are evading paying the use-tax on the KWs you’re consuming that would otherwise be purchased from the grid and taxes paid on. It’s essentially stealing solar power. Or at the very least bootlegging solar power, because you aren’t paying taxes on it as you use it.

Da fuq?

If you have a solar panel and you are producing power with it that is replacing power you would otherwise be purchasing from a utility company - and paying taxes on - then you are essentially committing tax evasion. Because you aren’t paying the taxes on that equivalent amount of power that you are using.

This really isn’t a hard concept to grasp.

So you think that the utility company is owed a stipend by you every month? How much should you pay? Should you try to use less power or is that commiting tax evasion?
Now that I'm typing this, I realize you are a troll, right?

I didn’t say you owed the utility company a stipend - I said you aren’t paying taxes on the power you produced and consumed. I don’t give a damn about the utility. My issue is with the taxes you’re cheating the government out of by not purchasing the KWs you consumed.

Reading is fundamental. But I suppose you call anything you’re not equipped to comprehend “trolling”.


Go back to eating horse paste and injecting bleach.

You really have an indefensible position here.
I have solar panels on my house that I paid for. They produce power that I use. And I should pay a tax cause I used the sunlight? The government has the right to tax the sun’s rays?
You really make no sense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
We have solar panels and are self sufficient for electricity plus sending power back to the grid. If we get an EV, it will be powered by the sun.

But there’s the rub - the solar power your EV is using to get charged up could instead be going to the grid, where it would help everyone - IF - you didn’t have a car at all.

But you justify having a car because you think “sunshine is free”.

It’s not. By producing and using solar for your own purposes, you’re evading paying taxes on the power you would’ve otherwise had to purchase from a utility. Meaning you’re cheating the government - and all of us. And by using that power your solar panels created for your own uses, you’re denying that power to everyone else. And an equivalent amount of KW energy must then be produced by power plants - or other renewable sources - to make up for the KW’s that you diverted for your own use.

WTF kind of weird logic is that? No, using my own electricity is not “denying power to everyone else”. Where in the world do you get brainwashed like that?

By using electricity from the grid you are the one hurting all of us by contributing to global warming. Period.

If you have a personal solar array and are unconnected to the grid and use that solar power for your own personal uses, then you are evading paying the use-tax on the KWs you’re consuming that would otherwise be purchased from the grid and taxes paid on. It’s essentially stealing solar power. Or at the very least bootlegging solar power, because you aren’t paying taxes on it as you use it.

Da fuq?

If you have a solar panel and you are producing power with it that is replacing power you would otherwise be purchasing from a utility company - and paying taxes on - then you are essentially committing tax evasion. Because you aren’t paying the taxes on that equivalent amount of power that you are using.

This really isn’t a hard concept to grasp.

So you think that the utility company is owed a stipend by you every month? How much should you pay? Should you try to use less power or is that commiting tax evasion?
Now that I'm typing this, I realize you are a troll, right?

I didn’t say you owed the utility company a stipend - I said you aren’t paying taxes on the power you produced and consumed. I don’t give a damn about the utility. My issue is with the taxes you’re cheating the government out of by not purchasing the KWs you consumed.

Reading is fundamental. But I suppose you call anything you’re not equipped to comprehend “trolling”.


Go back to eating horse paste and injecting bleach.

Don’t even try to act like you represent progressives with this nonsense. You can skip the crap about horse paste because I’m as anti Trumpist as one can be. You just have some really twisted logic.

Did you ever stop to think that I paid my taxes on the purchase price of the solar panels and the installer paid taxes on the income from my purchase as well? Aren’t you “cheating the government” of their taxes since you never bought a solar panel? Anyways, I’m confident that the social benefit of less global warming is larger than the hyper local benefit of the small amount of taxes I would have paid to run my local PSC.

[Anonymous]

NYT reporter was not happy with theirs on a road trip: https://evadoption.com/new-york-times-article-on-a-road-trip-in-an-ev-what-it-got-right/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Op here,

Okay this makes sense. I am fb friends with a relative who is a staunch republican (the Covid denying, conspiracy theorizing variety) and she regularly posts that she would rather walk or bike long distances than to have an EV. I don’t understand the hate.

I mean, I don’t like SUVs (in terms of driving them, I am just used to smaller sedans) but if my car was totaled and all I could drive was DH’s SUV, I would get comfortable with it. I wouldn’t opt to walk 20 miles to Costco and bring everything home on foot.

She also seems to have a theory that the government is going to force us all to buy only electric cars. I’m a dem but also very against that type of overreach. Regulation (such as emissions tests) are fine but forcing everyone to drive a certain type of car is too much.

She’s not wrong. Walking or biking would be the greener option.

My relatives are the opposite of your aunt. Lots of love for Teslas. Lots of self-congratulatory pats on the back for buying them, but lack of awareness that the greener option is walking or biking to the store.

[Anonymous]

I'm a progressive and, ironically, the only person I know who has an EV is a Republican friend who bought a Prius 15+ years ago to be able to use the HOV lane on 66 without passengers to commute into DC from VA (there used to be an exemption in VA for EVs using HOV--not sure if it still exists).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Op here,

Okay this makes sense. I am fb friends with a relative who is a staunch republican (the Covid denying, conspiracy theorizing variety) and she regularly posts that she would rather walk or bike long distances than to have an EV. I don’t understand the hate.

I mean, I don’t like SUVs (in terms of driving them, I am just used to smaller sedans) but if my car was totaled and all I could drive was DH’s SUV, I would get comfortable with it. I wouldn’t opt to walk 20 miles to Costco and bring everything home on foot.

She also seems to have a theory that the government is going to force us all to buy only electric cars. I’m a dem but also very against that type of overreach. Regulation (such as emissions tests) are fine but forcing everyone to drive a certain type of car is too much.

She’s not wrong. Walking or biking would be the greener option.

My relatives are the opposite of your aunt. Lots of love for Teslas. Lots of self-congratulatory pats on the back for buying them, but lack of awareness that the greener option is walking or biking to the store.

Golf carts are a middle ground that are only widely adopted in a few places. Most people would find it impractical to choose between walking or biking and driving a car for activities like going to a restaurant or grocery store, or going to the gym or a school function. I live in a town where these sorts of activities are largely accomplished by golf cart, and I am stumped as to why this isnt more widely adopted. Its cheap (wide paved bike trails) and green.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
We have solar panels and are self sufficient for electricity plus sending power back to the grid. If we get an EV, it will be powered by the sun.

But there’s the rub - the solar power your EV is using to get charged up could instead be going to the grid, where it would help everyone - IF - you didn’t have a car at all.

But you justify having a car because you think “sunshine is free”.

It’s not. By producing and using solar for your own purposes, you’re evading paying taxes on the power you would’ve otherwise had to purchase from a utility. Meaning you’re cheating the government - and all of us. And by using that power your solar panels created for your own uses, you’re denying that power to everyone else. And an equivalent amount of KW energy must then be produced by power plants - or other renewable sources - to make up for the KW’s that you diverted for your own use.

WTF kind of weird logic is that? No, using my own electricity is not “denying power to everyone else”. Where in the world do you get brainwashed like that?

By using electricity from the grid you are the one hurting all of us by contributing to global warming. Period.

If you have a personal solar array and are unconnected to the grid and use that solar power for your own personal uses, then you are evading paying the use-tax on the KWs you’re consuming that would otherwise be purchased from the grid and taxes paid on. It’s essentially stealing solar power. Or at the very least bootlegging solar power, because you aren’t paying taxes on it as you use it.

Da fuq?

If you have a solar panel and you are producing power with it that is replacing power you would otherwise be purchasing from a utility company - and paying taxes on - then you are essentially committing tax evasion. Because you aren’t paying the taxes on that equivalent amount of power that you are using.

This really isn’t a hard concept to grasp.

So you think that the utility company is owed a stipend by you every month? How much should you pay? Should you try to use less power or is that commiting tax evasion?
Now that I'm typing this, I realize you are a troll, right?

I didn’t say you owed the utility company a stipend - I said you aren’t paying taxes on the power you produced and consumed. I don’t give a damn about the utility. My issue is with the taxes you’re cheating the government out of by not purchasing the KWs you consumed.

Reading is fundamental. But I suppose you call anything you’re not equipped to comprehend “trolling”.


Go back to eating horse paste and injecting bleach.

You really have an indefensible position here.
I have solar panels on my house that I paid for. They produce power that I use. And I should pay a tax cause I used the sunlight? The government has the right to tax the sun’s rays?
You really make no sense.

Remember, Montgomery County taxed rainwater.