Kicked out of summer camp-last day

[Anonymous]

Why would you send him to camp knowing he’d have diarrhea? That is setting him up for accidents and embarrassment. Keep him home during that time.

[Anonymous]

Policies about diarrhea aren’t related to whether it’s from an infection. Diarrhea is a sanitation hazard even if the person is healthy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This thread is Exhibit #87235 of why working moms can’t win and are always doing it wrong.

Sorry OP

It’s one day of camp that’s impacting her. BFD

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This thread is Exhibit #87235 of why working moms can’t win and are always doing it wrong.

Sorry OP

Why isn’t OP’s spouse dealing with this? This isn’t a working mom problem. It’s a relationship problem that OP is trying to handle everything herself.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t have time to read the responses. But we are a BTDT family. We reminded them of ADA and there was a complete turn around.

Oh, really? What a load of...crap.

Is this a joke? Temporary constipation is not a disability, even if it's debilitating at the time. And there's no ADA right to send a 4 year old to non-essential summer camp.

Yes, I know. I was responding that the ridiculous “ADA” poster was full of crap.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t have time to read the responses. But we are a BTDT family. We reminded them of ADA and there was a complete turn around.

Oh, really? What a load of...crap.

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I wouldn’t do this for the last day of camp but medical conditions affecting the bowel do fall under the ADA. My friends kid had a whole IEP around her issues (which included encopresis) school had to deal.

4 year old might remember. I had diarrhea at preschool and took too long in the bathroom and was punished by having to sit out storytime at age 4 and I still remember how unfair I thought it was over 40 years later!!

Op can your kid make some goodbye cards that you could drop off?

Yes. Medical conditions. Not “I gave my kid Miralax because he was constipated, now you clean up his watery poop! No? Why not??? You are punishing my poor small child!” And the whole ADA bit was idiotic to bring up anyway, since this was posted on Thursday night after hours before the last day of camp on Friday morning,

OP needs to grow so very much up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP here. The camp knew from the beginning that my child was dealing with this on-going problem and was therefore in pull-ups. He had very few accidents the entire summer until he began this miralax routine and has had 2 incidents that I'm aware of (there could be a 3rd but I'm not sure about it). Children do not need to be potty trained at this camp and these are not high school students caring for kids. It's actually a very expensive camp but was the ONLY summer camps for children his age that was full-time. He's been dealing with this medical condition for 6+ months but typically, it doesn't have significant impact on his ability to engage with his peers and participate in activities. He loves being with friends, is social, and I'm not going to deprive him of positive social experiences with peers in the summer because of this problem that's only been a "major" issue twice this summer....so what 20-25 minutes of time the entire summer??

He's on a regular dose of miralax now that he takes daily. The actual cleanse, he stayed home.

I don't know about you all but I only get 11 days of sick time a year. My husband gets much less. When school starts and sicknesses start circulating...kids are often required to be out for 2 full school days. This adds up real quick. We have to work, we cannot live on one income so to just think it's no big deal to just keep him home because of the possibility of having an episode of diarrhea....I cannot. I simply do not have that kind of time. I will lose my job. He needs to go to the childcare that I have prepared and I go to work. Before someone suggest, "just get a nanny"....I am not wealthy. I simply cannot afford a nanny.

I'm not entitled but I do want my child to have access to the same experiences as his peers and to be able to enjoy his summer with his little buddies.

None of that is relevant or the camp’s problem. Diarrhea means you KEEP YOUR KID HOME.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. The camp knew from the beginning that my child was dealing with this on-going problem and was therefore in pull-ups. He had very few accidents the entire summer until he began this miralax routine and has had 2 incidents that I'm aware of (there could be a 3rd but I'm not sure about it). Children do not need to be potty trained at this camp and these are not high school students caring for kids. It's actually a very expensive camp but was the ONLY summer camps for children his age that was full-time. He's been dealing with this medical condition for 6+ months but typically, it doesn't have significant impact on his ability to engage with his peers and participate in activities. He loves being with friends, is social, and I'm not going to deprive him of positive social experiences with peers in the summer because of this problem that's only been a "major" issue twice this summer....so what 20-25 minutes of time the entire summer??

He's on a regular dose of miralax now that he takes daily. The actual cleanse, he stayed home.

I don't know about you all but I only get 11 days of sick time a year. My husband gets much less. When school starts and sicknesses start circulating...kids are often required to be out for 2 full school days. This adds up real quick. We have to work, we cannot live on one income so to just think it's no big deal to just keep him home because of the possibility of having an episode of diarrhea....I cannot. I simply do not have that kind of time. I will lose my job. He needs to go to the childcare that I have prepared and I go to work. Before someone suggest, "just get a nanny"....I am not wealthy. I simply cannot afford a nanny.

I'm not entitled but I do want my child to have access to the same experiences as his peers and to be able to enjoy his summer with his little buddies.

It is a standard policy that diarrhea gets a kid sent home. The end. No one is picking on you and your child. My youngest was in a cycle with some kind of chronic stomach issue where I was getting called to pick her up on and off for weeks and then she couldn't return for 24 hours. I feel your pain. It is what it is. You or your spouse need a more flexible job is what it sounds like.

Also, acting like your kid having diarrhea in a pull up is no big deal for the staff is not great. It is a big deal.

There are exceptions for chronic medical issues with a doctor‘s note. So not the end. Op make sure you provide enough medical documentation next time. And be sure to get an IEP for school that covers these issues.

Those exceptions only apply if the reasonable accommodation does not impose an undue burden on the camp. Taking away 25% of the staff from the other campers (thereby lowering the ratio in the event of an emergency) because of a child with diarrhea would absolutely constitute an undue burden— which you know, but are hoping if you say ADA loud enough the camp will be afraid of being sued. Doing this is harmful to people with actual ADA complaints because this mother, and the poster telling her to claim ADA, believe that they are entitled to childcare. You are not.


It is also, by the way, extremely unlikely your pediatrician would write a note saying that this constitutes a disability because they can also be questioned in the process and they don’t want to jeopardize their legitimately disabled patients.

Sorry my friend went through this and you can not exclude children with bonafide medical disabilities. Yes the school had to provide an aid for the child. In this case OP has said there were only 2-3 occasions during the entire camp which means it would be a very very small accomodation. Much less than my friend's child needed.

I think she said the child is having diarrhea 2-3 times a day.

She said:

He had very few accidents the entire summer until he began this miralax routine and has had 2 incidents that I'm aware of (there could be a 3rd but I'm not sure about it).

Seriously a doctors note certifying the episode is not related to infection but rather a chronic non infectious health issue should
Cover it.

Nope. In public school, yes, but the camp does not have to deal with this. Sorry. Her kid isn’t disabled.

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Anonymous wrote:Sounds like op is giving the mirilax early evening so she doesn’t get woken up at night with diarrhea. Instead of distrupting her own sleep, she chooses to delay the dose (instead of giving right after camp) so the camp can deal with the diarrhea. Yeah no.

Wtf??? We are giving it as soon as we get home which is early evening….there is no earlier time to give it. Seems better than in the morning….


For those saying he’s been pooping 2-3 times a day, no. Literally twice. TWICE has he pooped in his pull-up. TWICE the entire summer. This is multiple times a day or he’s so miserable. He’s very happy. I think some are not reading the comments. If he were to have explosive diarrhea multiple times a day then yes, that’s a different story. You can’t leave the house and someone needs to look into FMLA but 2 poops…many young children have more accidents than that. Also, yes, they knew and understood what’s he’s been dealing with and said it was fine. This was before the program began and we kept them in the loop the whole time.

obviously these were really messy poops in a camp not set up for changing really poopy preschooler pullups. Since you couldn’t even be bothered to go pick him up yourself, the camp didn’t want to deal with it anymore. Pro tip: if you’re asking a school or camp to do extra work you really need to bend over backwards. you should have timed the dose so he wouldn’t poop at camp at a minimum. Or offered to come pick him up and change him yourself.

Wtf? “Couldn’t be bothered to pick him up”….pick up is literally during my work hours. There is no “making it work” to do pickup, it is literally when I am scheduled to work. This camp is 9-4….I’m 8:30-4:30, i can’t change my hours….good grief!!! This is quite literally the most “full time” summer program I could find. I did give it to hopefully work during the evening hours but yeah, there’s some trial and error. You don’t have to be a jerk.

THEN GET A BABYSITTER. You are entitled to *nothing,* Your poor kid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This thread is Exhibit #87235 of why working moms can’t win and are always doing it wrong.

Sorry OP

This thread is Exhibit #87236 of ridiculous entitled parents who think that because they have a JOB!!! (just like everyone else), they aren’t responsible for their kids.

[Anonymous]

Omg, people are really piling on here. I mean, sure, it’s understandable why the camp doesn’t want him to come tomorrow, AND also very disappointing for OP and her son. No one responding seems to sympathize at all with the lack of sick leave or options she has as a working parent. The way we treat working parents in this country, the ones who HAVE to work, is barbaric. At my job, I have a very generous sick leave policy. It’s still super hard to take a day off because work is work and it’s stressful to miss time. But I am lucky to have the option. My point is, it shouldn’t be a matter of luck.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP here. The camp knew from the beginning that my child was dealing with this on-going problem and was therefore in pull-ups. He had very few accidents the entire summer until he began this miralax routine and has had 2 incidents that I'm aware of (there could be a 3rd but I'm not sure about it). Children do not need to be potty trained at this camp and these are not high school students caring for kids. It's actually a very expensive camp but was the ONLY summer camps for children his age that was full-time. He's been dealing with this medical condition for 6+ months but typically, it doesn't have significant impact on his ability to engage with his peers and participate in activities. He loves being with friends, is social, and I'm not going to deprive him of positive social experiences with peers in the summer because of this problem that's only been a "major" issue twice this summer....so what 20-25 minutes of time the entire summer??

He's on a regular dose of miralax now that he takes daily. The actual cleanse, he stayed home.

I don't know about you all but I only get 11 days of sick time a year. My husband gets much less. When school starts and sicknesses start circulating...kids are often required to be out for 2 full school days. This adds up real quick. We have to work, we cannot live on one income so to just think it's no big deal to just keep him home because of the possibility of having an episode of diarrhea....I cannot. I simply do not have that kind of time. I will lose my job. He needs to go to the childcare that I have prepared and I go to work. Before someone suggest, "just get a nanny"....I am not wealthy. I simply cannot afford a nanny.

I'm not entitled but I do want my child to have access to the same experiences as his peers and to be able to enjoy his summer with his little buddies.

your kid has shat himself one too many times
he probably won't be allowed to go back next year

[Anonymous]

The camp is sending a message that he is not welcome next year. Plan accordingly.

[Anonymous]

You are forgetting that it is HS and college age kids (counselors) who are having to clean up after your child's accidents, and they did not sign up for that.

You should have waited a week to do the procedure. And, if you couldn't, then he should have skipped the last week of camp, because that is what parents do. You work from home, you have grandparents come and care for your child, or you take FMLA, because that is what parents do. I agree that you set him up to fail, and to embarrass him.

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Anonymous wrote:Omg, people are really piling on here. I mean, sure, it’s understandable why the camp doesn’t want him to come tomorrow, AND also very disappointing for OP and her son. No one responding seems to sympathize at all with the lack of sick leave or options she has as a working parent. The way we treat working parents in this country, the ones who HAVE to work, is barbaric. At my job, I have a very generous sick leave policy. It’s still super hard to take a day off because work is work and it’s stressful to miss time. But I am lucky to have the option. My point is, it shouldn’t be a matter of luck.

Most childcare providers are also working parents, and judging by the fact that OP told us how “very expensive” her camp is, they are likely making less money and have less sick time than OP does. So when her kid gets— predictable, medication-induced— diarrhea and they are expected to clean it up, they also take the risk that they get sick or that they get their own children sick. That’s how OP treats working parents. So expecting parents who have to make sure to plan leave and save vacation for potential illnesses to think that she is some kind of a victim here for not being allowed to send her child **who is pooping himself** to camp, is rather much.

Notice as well the OP is sad her son can’t say goodbye to his “buddies”. What about her son can’t say thank you to the people who wiped his bottom because his mother gave him laxatives before camp? Not even a word for them.