Kicked out of summer camp-last day

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t have time to read the responses. But we are a BTDT family. We reminded them of ADA and there was a complete turn around.

Oh, really? What a load of...crap.

M

I wouldn’t do this for the last day of camp but medical conditions affecting the bowel do fall under the ADA. My friends kid had a whole IEP around her issues (which included encopresis) school had to deal.

4 year old might remember. I had diarrhea at preschool and took too long in the bathroom and was punished by having to sit out storytime at age 4 and I still remember how unfair I thought it was over 40 years later!!

Op can your kid make some goodbye cards that you could drop off?

Yes, bowel issues are included but it needs to be fully documented with physician supporting parameters for reasonable accommodation, which need to be provided to the camp at the outset of a request for reasonable accommodation not used as a threat when the parent doesn’t like a policy they signed up to. Depending on the size and ratios of camp they might not be required to accommodate your child unless your insurance is covering an aide or inclusion counselor.

Tl;Dr using the ADA as a threat to get your own way is bad for people who are actually disabled and will not turn out the way you think it will.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t have time to read the responses. But we are a BTDT family. We reminded them of ADA and there was a complete turn around.

Oh, really? What a load of...crap.

M

I wouldn’t do this for the last day of camp but medical conditions affecting the bowel do fall under the ADA. My friends kid had a whole IEP around her issues (which included encopresis) school had to deal.

4 year old might remember. I had diarrhea at preschool and took too long in the bathroom and was punished by having to sit out storytime at age 4 and I still remember how unfair I thought it was over 40 years later!!

Op can your kid make some goodbye cards that you could drop off?

There has to be some documentation of that, which OP will not be able to get in time. Just threatening it to get your way is a crappy move. Also, to the bolded, wouldn't it have been better if your parents had had the ability to keep you home during your bout with diarrhea, rather than you being separated from the class? That is what the camp is advising OP to do.

[Anonymous]

Why would you send him to camp when you’re doing a miralax clean-out?? I feel bad for your kid. Not because he was “kicked out” (who cares!)…but because he had problematic diarrhea at camp!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t have time to read the responses. But we are a BTDT family. We reminded them of ADA and there was a complete turn around.

Oh, really? What a load of...crap.

M

I wouldn’t do this for the last day of camp but medical conditions affecting the bowel do fall under the ADA. My friends kid had a whole IEP around her issues (which included encopresis) school had to deal.

4 year old might remember. I had diarrhea at preschool and took too long in the bathroom and was punished by having to sit out storytime at age 4 and I still remember how unfair I thought it was over 40 years later!!

Op can your kid make some goodbye cards that you could drop off?

There has to be some documentation of that, which OP will not be able to get in time. Just threatening it to get your way is a crappy move. Also, to the bolded, wouldn't it have been better if your parents had had the ability to keep you home during your bout with diarrhea, rather than you being separated from the class? That is what the camp is advising OP to do.

I was only separated from class for storytime as a punishment. I think they didn’t believe me when I told them I had had diarrhea and that is why it took me so long so it wasn’t about health concerns (sending me home would have been the solution to that not depriving me of storytime) I wasn’t sick so no need to send me home though.

[Anonymous]

Lady, what if its a coincidence and your kid has a bug? The camp is doing the right thing. There is a reason for protocols. Its done day, suckit up and have your get comfortable at home. Do you think he feels good having the runs at camp??

[Anonymous]

I worked at a summer camp for YEARS. I had about 25 campers ages 4-6 and one preteen helper. Would you have expected me to send a 12 year old to clean up your kid's diarrhea every day? Or leave 24 kids with a 12 year old to attend only to your kid's soiled pants?

[Anonymous]

Most of the high school camp counselors aren’t osha trained to deal with bodily fluid contamination.

[Anonymous]

OP here. The camp knew from the beginning that my child was dealing with this on-going problem and was therefore in pull-ups. He had very few accidents the entire summer until he began this miralax routine and has had 2 incidents that I'm aware of (there could be a 3rd but I'm not sure about it). Children do not need to be potty trained at this camp and these are not high school students caring for kids. It's actually a very expensive camp but was the ONLY summer camps for children his age that was full-time. He's been dealing with this medical condition for 6+ months but typically, it doesn't have significant impact on his ability to engage with his peers and participate in activities. He loves being with friends, is social, and I'm not going to deprive him of positive social experiences with peers in the summer because of this problem that's only been a "major" issue twice this summer....so what 20-25 minutes of time the entire summer??

He's on a regular dose of miralax now that he takes daily. The actual cleanse, he stayed home.

I don't know about you all but I only get 11 days of sick time a year. My husband gets much less. When school starts and sicknesses start circulating...kids are often required to be out for 2 full school days. This adds up real quick. We have to work, we cannot live on one income so to just think it's no big deal to just keep him home because of the possibility of having an episode of diarrhea....I cannot. I simply do not have that kind of time. I will lose my job. He needs to go to the childcare that I have prepared and I go to work. Before someone suggest, "just get a nanny"....I am not wealthy. I simply cannot afford a nanny.

I'm not entitled but I do want my child to have access to the same experiences as his peers and to be able to enjoy his summer with his little buddies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I worked at a summer camp for YEARS. I had about 25 campers ages 4-6 and one preteen helper. Would you have expected me to send a 12 year old to clean up your kid's diarrhea every day? Or leave 24 kids with a 12 year old to attend only to your kid's soiled pants?

This camp has about 10 kids and 4 staff.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP here. The camp knew from the beginning that my child was dealing with this on-going problem and was therefore in pull-ups. He had very few accidents the entire summer until he began this miralax routine and has had 2 incidents that I'm aware of (there could be a 3rd but I'm not sure about it). Children do not need to be potty trained at this camp and these are not high school students caring for kids. It's actually a very expensive camp but was the ONLY summer camps for children his age that was full-time. He's been dealing with this medical condition for 6+ months but typically, it doesn't have significant impact on his ability to engage with his peers and participate in activities. He loves being with friends, is social, and I'm not going to deprive him of positive social experiences with peers in the summer because of this problem that's only been a "major" issue twice this summer....so what 20-25 minutes of time the entire summer??

He's on a regular dose of miralax now that he takes daily. The actual cleanse, he stayed home.

I don't know about you all but I only get 11 days of sick time a year. My husband gets much less. When school starts and sicknesses start circulating...kids are often required to be out for 2 full school days. This adds up real quick. We have to work, we cannot live on one income so to just think it's no big deal to just keep him home because of the possibility of having an episode of diarrhea....I cannot. I simply do not have that kind of time. I will lose my job. He needs to go to the childcare that I have prepared and I go to work. Before someone suggest, "just get a nanny"....I am not wealthy. I simply cannot afford a nanny.

I'm not entitled but I do want my child to have access to the same experiences as his peers and to be able to enjoy his summer with his little buddies.

It is a standard policy that diarrhea gets a kid sent home. The end. No one is picking on you and your child. My youngest was in a cycle with some kind of chronic stomach issue where I was getting called to pick her up on and off for weeks and then she couldn't return for 24 hours. I feel your pain. It is what it is. You or your spouse need a more flexible job is what it sounds like.

Also, acting like your kid having diarrhea in a pull up is no big deal for the staff is not great. It is a big deal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. The camp knew from the beginning that my child was dealing with this on-going problem and was therefore in pull-ups. He had very few accidents the entire summer until he began this miralax routine and has had 2 incidents that I'm aware of (there could be a 3rd but I'm not sure about it). Children do not need to be potty trained at this camp and these are not high school students caring for kids. It's actually a very expensive camp but was the ONLY summer camps for children his age that was full-time. He's been dealing with this medical condition for 6+ months but typically, it doesn't have significant impact on his ability to engage with his peers and participate in activities. He loves being with friends, is social, and I'm not going to deprive him of positive social experiences with peers in the summer because of this problem that's only been a "major" issue twice this summer....so what 20-25 minutes of time the entire summer??

He's on a regular dose of miralax now that he takes daily. The actual cleanse, he stayed home.

I don't know about you all but I only get 11 days of sick time a year. My husband gets much less. When school starts and sicknesses start circulating...kids are often required to be out for 2 full school days. This adds up real quick. We have to work, we cannot live on one income so to just think it's no big deal to just keep him home because of the possibility of having an episode of diarrhea....I cannot. I simply do not have that kind of time. I will lose my job. He needs to go to the childcare that I have prepared and I go to work. Before someone suggest, "just get a nanny"....I am not wealthy. I simply cannot afford a nanny.

I'm not entitled but I do want my child to have access to the same experiences as his peers and to be able to enjoy his summer with his little buddies.

It is a standard policy that diarrhea gets a kid sent home. The end. No one is picking on you and your child. My youngest was in a cycle with some kind of chronic stomach issue where I was getting called to pick her up on and off for weeks and then she couldn't return for 24 hours. I feel your pain. It is what it is. You or your spouse need a more flexible job is what it sounds like.

Also, acting like your kid having diarrhea in a pull up is no big deal for the staff is not great. It is a big deal.

There are exceptions for chronic medical issues with a doctor‘s note. So not the end. Op make sure you provide enough medical documentation next time. And be sure to get an IEP for school that covers these issues.

[Anonymous]

Way to much to expect. Not fair to staff.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. The camp knew from the beginning that my child was dealing with this on-going problem and was therefore in pull-ups. He had very few accidents the entire summer until he began this miralax routine and has had 2 incidents that I'm aware of (there could be a 3rd but I'm not sure about it). Children do not need to be potty trained at this camp and these are not high school students caring for kids. It's actually a very expensive camp but was the ONLY summer camps for children his age that was full-time. He's been dealing with this medical condition for 6+ months but typically, it doesn't have significant impact on his ability to engage with his peers and participate in activities. He loves being with friends, is social, and I'm not going to deprive him of positive social experiences with peers in the summer because of this problem that's only been a "major" issue twice this summer....so what 20-25 minutes of time the entire summer??

He's on a regular dose of miralax now that he takes daily. The actual cleanse, he stayed home.

I don't know about you all but I only get 11 days of sick time a year. My husband gets much less. When school starts and sicknesses start circulating...kids are often required to be out for 2 full school days. This adds up real quick. We have to work, we cannot live on one income so to just think it's no big deal to just keep him home because of the possibility of having an episode of diarrhea....I cannot. I simply do not have that kind of time. I will lose my job. He needs to go to the childcare that I have prepared and I go to work. Before someone suggest, "just get a nanny"....I am not wealthy. I simply cannot afford a nanny.

I'm not entitled but I do want my child to have access to the same experiences as his peers and to be able to enjoy his summer with his little buddies.

It is a standard policy that diarrhea gets a kid sent home. The end. No one is picking on you and your child. My youngest was in a cycle with some kind of chronic stomach issue where I was getting called to pick her up on and off for weeks and then she couldn't return for 24 hours. I feel your pain. It is what it is. You or your spouse need a more flexible job is what it sounds like.

Also, acting like your kid having diarrhea in a pull up is no big deal for the staff is not great. It is a big deal.

There are exceptions for chronic medical issues with a doctor‘s note. So not the end. Op make sure you provide enough medical documentation next time. And be sure to get an IEP for school that covers these issues.

This is camp and you are in the infant, toddlers, and preschoolers forum. IEPs are a legal obligation and process at public schools. As some other poster noted MAYBE ADA applies, but that is a whole process and not some blanket guarantee of anything at all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why would you send him to camp when you’re doing a miralax clean-out?? I feel bad for your kid. Not because he was “kicked out” (who cares!)…but because he had problematic diarrhea at camp!

+1

You put him in a distressing situation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. The camp knew from the beginning that my child was dealing with this on-going problem and was therefore in pull-ups. He had very few accidents the entire summer until he began this miralax routine and has had 2 incidents that I'm aware of (there could be a 3rd but I'm not sure about it). Children do not need to be potty trained at this camp and these are not high school students caring for kids. It's actually a very expensive camp but was the ONLY summer camps for children his age that was full-time. He's been dealing with this medical condition for 6+ months but typically, it doesn't have significant impact on his ability to engage with his peers and participate in activities. He loves being with friends, is social, and I'm not going to deprive him of positive social experiences with peers in the summer because of this problem that's only been a "major" issue twice this summer....so what 20-25 minutes of time the entire summer??

He's on a regular dose of miralax now that he takes daily. The actual cleanse, he stayed home.

I don't know about you all but I only get 11 days of sick time a year. My husband gets much less. When school starts and sicknesses start circulating...kids are often required to be out for 2 full school days. This adds up real quick. We have to work, we cannot live on one income so to just think it's no big deal to just keep him home because of the possibility of having an episode of diarrhea....I cannot. I simply do not have that kind of time. I will lose my job. He needs to go to the childcare that I have prepared and I go to work. Before someone suggest, "just get a nanny"....I am not wealthy. I simply cannot afford a nanny.

I'm not entitled but I do want my child to have access to the same experiences as his peers and to be able to enjoy his summer with his little buddies.

It is a standard policy that diarrhea gets a kid sent home. The end. No one is picking on you and your child. My youngest was in a cycle with some kind of chronic stomach issue where I was getting called to pick her up on and off for weeks and then she couldn't return for 24 hours. I feel your pain. It is what it is. You or your spouse need a more flexible job is what it sounds like.

Also, acting like your kid having diarrhea in a pull up is no big deal for the staff is not great. It is a big deal.

There are exceptions for chronic medical issues with a doctor‘s note. So not the end. Op make sure you provide enough medical documentation next time. And be sure to get an IEP for school that covers these issues.

This is camp and you are in the infant, toddlers, and preschoolers forum. IEPs are a legal obligation and process at public schools. As some other poster noted MAYBE ADA applies, but that is a whole process and not some blanket guarantee of anything at all.

Also, there are public health reasons for these standard policies. Bodily fluids are not a good scene and often infectious. Your child's barf and poop can get other people sick. The camp does not really know what is going on with your child and whether it's a virus or not and so they have blanket policies to cover these situations. Yes, the policies are inconvenient when you are on the other side of them and your child doesn't have any kind of virus. But they are in place for the collective good.