Privatizing DC roads?!: Chain Bridge Rd and University Terr

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And more crap from the Palisades NIMBYs:

“It no thru traffic with local traffic only at issue. To answer your question see below.




Local access street – a street or portion of a street designated for access only to drivers of vehicles whose destination or origin is on or within two (2) blocks of such street or portion of the street.
http://dcrules.elaws.us/dcmr/18-9901”

Can we please send a clear and resounding heck no!

While it is recognized in the code, there does not seem to be a penalty associated with a violation.

It would be failure to obey a traffic control.

Except that is not stated in the code and there is no penalty for it. You can review all of the civil penalties in Section 18-2600.
http://dcrules.elaws.us/dcmr/18-2600

It would seem to be a violation of Section 18-2217.1 on use of Local Access Streets. However, there is no penalty under Section 18-2600. For example, Section 18-2600 does provide for a $500 fine for driving down a barricaded or closed street (18-2217.2). There are also fines for other violations under Section 18-2217, including violating bus lanes.

The only general “failure to obey” type fine is associated with “ Failure or refusal to comply with Lawful order or direction of a Police Officer”, which does not seem to apply.

So there is no penalty.

[Anonymous]

In general, the city and cops shouldn’t make rules with the expectation people will disobey them. And I don’t want to disobey them, though I will if these jackasses get their way.

[Anonymous]

DC 295 should be closed down and turned into pedestrians only at this point.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am so sick of all of these people saying their streets need to be treated differently because they are "cut through" - no, these are all public spaces and should be accessible by and for the public at all times. It really isn't fair to push traffic on to other streets because you don't like it on yours. Buy a house on a different street out in the country. We live in a city. Tough it out.

There’s something called the FHA functional classification of streets, which DC follows. Narrow residential streets are not the same as an arterial like Wisconsin Avenue and may not be appropriate for thru traffic. The statement that “you live in a city” is absurd. Bethesda and some other parts of Montgomery County are more urban that some DC neighborhoods, and MoCo has very effective traffic calming, including no thru traffic limitations. Don’t be an idiot.

By your definition I’m an idiot (who lives in a comparably expensive DC house NOT under a flight path). But I’m a democratically inclined idiot who will make it my business to drive up and down these streets as often as I possibly can because what you’re trying to do, while a bandaid to a gash, is deeply troubling and undemocratic. Your best hope was to stay quiet, as your attempt is unenforceable and has given a rise to a Streisand effect. Who’s an idiot now?

+1

That's what happens when you find a stranger in the alps

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am so sick of all of these people saying their streets need to be treated differently because they are "cut through" - no, these are all public spaces and should be accessible by and for the public at all times. It really isn't fair to push traffic on to other streets because you don't like it on yours. Buy a house on a different street out in the country. We live in a city. Tough it out.

There’s something called the FHA functional classification of streets, which DC follows. Narrow residential streets are not the same as an arterial like Wisconsin Avenue and may not be appropriate for thru traffic. The statement that “you live in a city” is absurd. Bethesda and some other parts of Montgomery County are more urban that some DC neighborhoods, and MoCo has very effective traffic calming, including no thru traffic limitations. Don’t be an idiot.

while true, when you start closing off parts of the street grid, it impacts other streets negatively. If you want to live on a street that doesn't have "cut through" traffic, then move to a place where you live on a cul de sac, otehrwise, it isn't cut through traffic, it is just traffic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am so sick of all of these people saying their streets need to be treated differently because they are "cut through" - no, these are all public spaces and should be accessible by and for the public at all times. It really isn't fair to push traffic on to other streets because you don't like it on yours. Buy a house on a different street out in the country. We live in a city. Tough it out.

There’s something called the FHA functional classification of streets, which DC follows. Narrow residential streets are not the same as an arterial like Wisconsin Avenue and may not be appropriate for thru traffic. The statement that “you live in a city” is absurd. Bethesda and some other parts of Montgomery County are more urban that some DC neighborhoods, and MoCo has very effective traffic calming, including no thru traffic limitations. Don’t be an idiot.

while true, when you start closing off parts of the street grid, it impacts other streets negatively. If you want to live on a street that doesn't have "cut through" traffic, then move to a place where you live on a cul de sac, otehrwise, it isn't cut through traffic, it is just traffic.

Manhattan is more of a grid. Washington DC outside of the downtown area is not. Through traffic should stay on the arterial roads and not cut through neighborhood streets. DC could learn a lot from Bethesda and Chevy Chase on how to do this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am so sick of all of these people saying their streets need to be treated differently because they are "cut through" - no, these are all public spaces and should be accessible by and for the public at all times. It really isn't fair to push traffic on to other streets because you don't like it on yours. Buy a house on a different street out in the country. We live in a city. Tough it out.

There’s something called the FHA functional classification of streets, which DC follows. Narrow residential streets are not the same as an arterial like Wisconsin Avenue and may not be appropriate for thru traffic. The statement that “you live in a city” is absurd. Bethesda and some other parts of Montgomery County are more urban that some DC neighborhoods, and MoCo has very effective traffic calming, including no thru traffic limitations. Don’t be an idiot.

Yes, downtown Silver Spring is more "urban" than Palisades. That is irrelevent. That's also not where any of the "traffic calming" takes place. The desire to force all traffic onto "arterials" in order to segregate single family homes from the hoi polloi is bad from both a practical and philosophical perspective. It is sefish and it is a waste of community resources. Nobody is better or more deserving than anybody else. City streets are public goods and it is a profound violation of the public trust and social contract to give special rights to a few. The city was designed as a grid. Every street plays a role. Dont be a selfish hole.

My kids’ safety IS more deserving than your desire to save a couple of minutes by speeding down a short cut on some narrow street.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am so sick of all of these people saying their streets need to be treated differently because they are "cut through" - no, these are all public spaces and should be accessible by and for the public at all times. It really isn't fair to push traffic on to other streets because you don't like it on yours. Buy a house on a different street out in the country. We live in a city. Tough it out.

There’s something called the FHA functional classification of streets, which DC follows. Narrow residential streets are not the same as an arterial like Wisconsin Avenue and may not be appropriate for thru traffic. The statement that “you live in a city” is absurd. Bethesda and some other parts of Montgomery County are more urban that some DC neighborhoods, and MoCo has very effective traffic calming, including no thru traffic limitations. Don’t be an idiot.

Yes, downtown Silver Spring is more "urban" than Palisades. That is irrelevent. That's also not where any of the "traffic calming" takes place. The desire to force all traffic onto "arterials" in order to segregate single family homes from the hoi polloi is bad from both a practical and philosophical perspective. It is sefish and it is a waste of community resources. Nobody is better or more deserving than anybody else. City streets are public goods and it is a profound violation of the public trust and social contract to give special rights to a few. The city was designed as a grid. Every street plays a role. Dont be a selfish hole.

A few years back DC installed speed humps on the NW street where we live. For the first year or so, there were jerks who blared their car horn at each and every speed hump, with the apparent intent of intimidating residents to beg DC to remove the traffic calming. God forbid that DC actually force drivers passing through to slow down just a little bit, when the streets belong to everyone! Might the PP have been one of those obnoxious honkers?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am so sick of all of these people saying their streets need to be treated differently because they are "cut through" - no, these are all public spaces and should be accessible by and for the public at all times. It really isn't fair to push traffic on to other streets because you don't like it on yours. Buy a house on a different street out in the country. We live in a city. Tough it out.

There’s something called the FHA functional classification of streets, which DC follows. Narrow residential streets are not the same as an arterial like Wisconsin Avenue and may not be appropriate for thru traffic. The statement that “you live in a city” is absurd. Bethesda and some other parts of Montgomery County are more urban that some DC neighborhoods, and MoCo has very effective traffic calming, including no thru traffic limitations. Don’t be an idiot.

Yes, downtown Silver Spring is more "urban" than Palisades. That is irrelevent. That's also not where any of the "traffic calming" takes place. The desire to force all traffic onto "arterials" in order to segregate single family homes from the hoi polloi is bad from both a practical and philosophical perspective. It is sefish and it is a waste of community resources. Nobody is better or more deserving than anybody else. City streets are public goods and it is a profound violation of the public trust and social contract to give special rights to a few. The city was designed as a grid. Every street plays a role. Dont be a selfish hole.

My kids’ safety IS more deserving than your desire to save a couple of minutes by speeding down a short cut on some narrow street.

What about the safety of kids on other blocks that your selfishness is forcing more traffic on?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am so sick of all of these people saying their streets need to be treated differently because they are "cut through" - no, these are all public spaces and should be accessible by and for the public at all times. It really isn't fair to push traffic on to other streets because you don't like it on yours. Buy a house on a different street out in the country. We live in a city. Tough it out.

There’s something called the FHA functional classification of streets, which DC follows. Narrow residential streets are not the same as an arterial like Wisconsin Avenue and may not be appropriate for thru traffic. The statement that “you live in a city” is absurd. Bethesda and some other parts of Montgomery County are more urban that some DC neighborhoods, and MoCo has very effective traffic calming, including no thru traffic limitations. Don’t be an idiot.

Yes, downtown Silver Spring is more "urban" than Palisades. That is irrelevent. That's also not where any of the "traffic calming" takes place. The desire to force all traffic onto "arterials" in order to segregate single family homes from the hoi polloi is bad from both a practical and philosophical perspective. It is sefish and it is a waste of community resources. Nobody is better or more deserving than anybody else. City streets are public goods and it is a profound violation of the public trust and social contract to give special rights to a few. The city was designed as a grid. Every street plays a role. Dont be a selfish hole.

My kids’ safety IS more deserving than your desire to save a couple of minutes by speeding down a short cut on some narrow street.

What about the safety of kids on other blocks that your selfishness is forcing more traffic on?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am so sick of all of these people saying their streets need to be treated differently because they are "cut through" - no, these are all public spaces and should be accessible by and for the public at all times. It really isn't fair to push traffic on to other streets because you don't like it on yours. Buy a house on a different street out in the country. We live in a city. Tough it out.

There’s something called the FHA functional classification of streets, which DC follows. Narrow residential streets are not the same as an arterial like Wisconsin Avenue and may not be appropriate for thru traffic. The statement that “you live in a city” is absurd. Bethesda and some other parts of Montgomery County are more urban that some DC neighborhoods, and MoCo has very effective traffic calming, including no thru traffic limitations. Don’t be an idiot.

Yes, downtown Silver Spring is more "urban" than Palisades. That is irrelevent. That's also not where any of the "traffic calming" takes place. The desire to force all traffic onto "arterials" in order to segregate single family homes from the hoi polloi is bad from both a practical and philosophical perspective. It is sefish and it is a waste of community resources. Nobody is better or more deserving than anybody else. City streets are public goods and it is a profound violation of the public trust and social contract to give special rights to a few. The city was designed as a grid. Every street plays a role. Dont be a selfish hole.

My kids’ safety IS more deserving than your desire to save a couple of minutes by speeding down a short cut on some narrow street.

What about the safety of kids on other blocks that your selfishness is forcing more traffic on?

We would support effective traffic calming on those streets, too. Keep through traffic on the main roadways.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What about for accessing Battery Kemble? Wonder if they’ll crack down on dogs there now also.

The unleashed dogs in Battery Kemble are the rich white folks’ ATVs on U Street or Metrorail turnstile jumpers. It’s a national park FFS that is now covered in dogshit and where the native fauna has long since been chased out. There are signs throughout the park that people who live in some of the world’s best educated neighborhoods cannot read. Yet has anyone there ever been issued a citation for so flagrantly disobeying federal law?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What about for accessing Battery Kemble? Wonder if they’ll crack down on dogs there now also.

The unleashed dogs in Battery Kemble are the rich white folks’ ATVs on U Street or Metrorail turnstile jumpers. It’s a national park FFS that is now covered in dogshit and where the native fauna has long since been chased out. There are signs throughout the park that people who live in some of the world’s best educated neighborhoods cannot read. Yet has anyone there ever been issued a citation for so flagrantly disobeying federal law?

Call the US Park Police. Unlike some other police departments, they haven’t been completely emasculated yet.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What about for accessing Battery Kemble? Wonder if they’ll crack down on dogs there now also.

The unleashed dogs in Battery Kemble are the rich white folks’ ATVs on U Street or Metrorail turnstile jumpers. It’s a national park FFS that is now covered in dogshit and where the native fauna has long since been chased out. There are signs throughout the park that people who live in some of the world’s best educated neighborhoods cannot read. Yet has anyone there ever been issued a citation for so flagrantly disobeying federal law?

Call the US Park Police. Unlike some other police departments, they haven’t been completely emasculated yet.

Based on their record they could probably use some emasculation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am so sick of all of these people saying their streets need to be treated differently because they are "cut through" - no, these are all public spaces and should be accessible by and for the public at all times. It really isn't fair to push traffic on to other streets because you don't like it on yours. Buy a house on a different street out in the country. We live in a city. Tough it out.

There’s something called the FHA functional classification of streets, which DC follows. Narrow residential streets are not the same as an arterial like Wisconsin Avenue and may not be appropriate for thru traffic. The statement that “you live in a city” is absurd. Bethesda and some other parts of Montgomery County are more urban that some DC neighborhoods, and MoCo has very effective traffic calming, including no thru traffic limitations. Don’t be an idiot.

Yes, downtown Silver Spring is more "urban" than Palisades. That is irrelevent. That's also not where any of the "traffic calming" takes place. The desire to force all traffic onto "arterials" in order to segregate single family homes from the hoi polloi is bad from both a practical and philosophical perspective. It is sefish and it is a waste of community resources. Nobody is better or more deserving than anybody else. City streets are public goods and it is a profound violation of the public trust and social contract to give special rights to a few. The city was designed as a grid. Every street plays a role. Dont be a selfish hole.

My kids’ safety IS more deserving than your desire to save a couple of minutes by speeding down a short cut on some narrow street.

What a bogus argument! Your kids are in no danger and there’s never been a recorded accident.

We’ve lived in the neighborhood for quite a while before finally deciding to move to an area of DC without the airplane noise and pollution and where the houses haven’t yet gobbled up their lots or the sidewalk or put houses within an arms reach of one another. It’s a shame what University Terrace is now with the new houses on top of one another. CBR (upper) is still charming.

One thing that UT and CBR however are not, are unsafe for kids. I’d also love to see the census of how many kids live on these streets, because it’s mostly senior citizens with furry children walking these streets.

This “secret” request is an attempt to privatize these streets, but as the raging debate on the list serve would attest, it’s completely DOA as it is unenforceable and will draw more traffic out of resentment. If you cared about your “kids”, you’d admit we have a dreadful plane noise and pollution problem so that we can do something about it collectively vs. pretending for the sake of the property values (a losing proposition).