Privatizing DC roads?!: Chain Bridge Rd and University Terr

[Anonymous]

Should have said *another* losing proposition

[Anonymous]

What an infuriating request. More or less everyone I spoke with will drive those streets more often now.

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Anonymous wrote:I am so sick of all of these people saying their streets need to be treated differently because they are "cut through" - no, these are all public spaces and should be accessible by and for the public at all times. It really isn't fair to push traffic on to other streets because you don't like it on yours. Buy a house on a different street out in the country. We live in a city. Tough it out.

There’s something called the FHA functional classification of streets, which DC follows. Narrow residential streets are not the same as an arterial like Wisconsin Avenue and may not be appropriate for thru traffic. The statement that “you live in a city” is absurd. Bethesda and some other parts of Montgomery County are more urban that some DC neighborhoods, and MoCo has very effective traffic calming, including no thru traffic limitations. Don’t be an idiot.

Yes, downtown Silver Spring is more "urban" than Palisades. That is irrelevent. That's also not where any of the "traffic calming" takes place. The desire to force all traffic onto "arterials" in order to segregate single family homes from the hoi polloi is bad from both a practical and philosophical perspective. It is sefish and it is a waste of community resources. Nobody is better or more deserving than anybody else. City streets are public goods and it is a profound violation of the public trust and social contract to give special rights to a few. The city was designed as a grid. Every street plays a role. Dont be a selfish hole.

A few years back DC installed speed humps on the NW street where we live. For the first year or so, there were jerks who blared their car horn at each and every speed hump, with the apparent intent of intimidating residents to beg DC to remove the traffic calming. God forbid that DC actually force drivers passing through to slow down just a little bit, when the streets belong to everyone! Might the PP have been one of those obnoxious honkers?

No I am not. I also don't believe your self-serving anecdote is true. It also beggar's belief that you claim "streets belong to everyone" while arguing that streets should be blocked off grom the broader population.

Are you one of those people that demands that other people drive slowly on your street while you speed on other people's streets?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am so sick of all of these people saying their streets need to be treated differently because they are "cut through" - no, these are all public spaces and should be accessible by and for the public at all times. It really isn't fair to push traffic on to other streets because you don't like it on yours. Buy a house on a different street out in the country. We live in a city. Tough it out.

There’s something called the FHA functional classification of streets, which DC follows. Narrow residential streets are not the same as an arterial like Wisconsin Avenue and may not be appropriate for thru traffic. The statement that “you live in a city” is absurd. Bethesda and some other parts of Montgomery County are more urban that some DC neighborhoods, and MoCo has very effective traffic calming, including no thru traffic limitations. Don’t be an idiot.

Yes, downtown Silver Spring is more "urban" than Palisades. That is irrelevent. That's also not where any of the "traffic calming" takes place. The desire to force all traffic onto "arterials" in order to segregate single family homes from the hoi polloi is bad from both a practical and philosophical perspective. It is sefish and it is a waste of community resources. Nobody is better or more deserving than anybody else. City streets are public goods and it is a profound violation of the public trust and social contract to give special rights to a few. The city was designed as a grid. Every street plays a role. Dont be a selfish hole.

My kids’ safety IS more deserving than your desire to save a couple of minutes by speeding down a short cut on some narrow street.

What about the safety of kids on other blocks that your selfishness is forcing more traffic on?

We would support effective traffic calming on those streets, too. Keep through traffic on the main roadways.

That's quite the qualifier. Screw others over in order to benefit yourself. Got it.

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Anonymous wrote:And more crap from the Palisades NIMBYs:

“It no thru traffic with local traffic only at issue. To answer your question see below.




Local access street – a street or portion of a street designated for access only to drivers of vehicles whose destination or origin is on or within two (2) blocks of such street or portion of the street.
http://dcrules.elaws.us/dcmr/18-9901”

Can we please send a clear and resounding heck no!

While it is recognized in the code, there does not seem to be a penalty associated with a violation.

It would be failure to obey a traffic control.

Except that is not stated in the code and there is no penalty for it. You can review all of the civil penalties in Section 18-2600.
http://dcrules.elaws.us/dcmr/18-2600

It would seem to be a violation of Section 18-2217.1 on use of Local Access Streets. However, there is no penalty under Section 18-2600. For example, Section 18-2600 does provide for a $500 fine for driving down a barricaded or closed street (18-2217.2). There are also fines for other violations under Section 18-2217, including violating bus lanes.

The only general “failure to obey” type fine is associated with “ Failure or refusal to comply with Lawful order or direction of a Police Officer”, which does not seem to apply.

So there is no penalty.

How about "improper use of restricted lane or course"?

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Anonymous wrote:What about for accessing Battery Kemble? Wonder if they’ll crack down on dogs there now also.

The unleashed dogs in Battery Kemble are the rich white folks’ ATVs on U Street or Metrorail turnstile jumpers. It’s a national park FFS that is now covered in dogshit and where the native fauna has long since been chased out. There are signs throughout the park that people who live in some of the world’s best educated neighborhoods cannot read. Yet has anyone there ever been issued a citation for so flagrantly disobeying federal law?

LOL

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am so sick of all of these people saying their streets need to be treated differently because they are "cut through" - no, these are all public spaces and should be accessible by and for the public at all times. It really isn't fair to push traffic on to other streets because you don't like it on yours. Buy a house on a different street out in the country. We live in a city. Tough it out.

There’s something called the FHA functional classification of streets, which DC follows. Narrow residential streets are not the same as an arterial like Wisconsin Avenue and may not be appropriate for thru traffic. The statement that “you live in a city” is absurd. Bethesda and some other parts of Montgomery County are more urban that some DC neighborhoods, and MoCo has very effective traffic calming, including no thru traffic limitations. Don’t be an idiot.

Yes, downtown Silver Spring is more "urban" than Palisades. That is irrelevent. That's also not where any of the "traffic calming" takes place. The desire to force all traffic onto "arterials" in order to segregate single family homes from the hoi polloi is bad from both a practical and philosophical perspective. It is sefish and it is a waste of community resources. Nobody is better or more deserving than anybody else. City streets are public goods and it is a profound violation of the public trust and social contract to give special rights to a few. The city was designed as a grid. Every street plays a role. Dont be a selfish hole.

My kids’ safety IS more deserving than your desire to save a couple of minutes by speeding down a short cut on some narrow street.

This has absolutely nothing to do with safety.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am so sick of all of these people saying their streets need to be treated differently because they are "cut through" - no, these are all public spaces and should be accessible by and for the public at all times. It really isn't fair to push traffic on to other streets because you don't like it on yours. Buy a house on a different street out in the country. We live in a city. Tough it out.

There’s something called the FHA functional classification of streets, which DC follows. Narrow residential streets are not the same as an arterial like Wisconsin Avenue and may not be appropriate for thru traffic. The statement that “you live in a city” is absurd. Bethesda and some other parts of Montgomery County are more urban that some DC neighborhoods, and MoCo has very effective traffic calming, including no thru traffic limitations. Don’t be an idiot.

Yes, downtown Silver Spring is more "urban" than Palisades. That is irrelevent. That's also not where any of the "traffic calming" takes place. The desire to force all traffic onto "arterials" in order to segregate single family homes from the hoi polloi is bad from both a practical and philosophical perspective. It is sefish and it is a waste of community resources. Nobody is better or more deserving than anybody else. City streets are public goods and it is a profound violation of the public trust and social contract to give special rights to a few. The city was designed as a grid. Every street plays a role. Dont be a selfish hole.

My kids’ safety IS more deserving than your desire to save a couple of minutes by speeding down a short cut on some narrow street.

This has absolutely nothing to do with safety.

Or kids

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am so sick of all of these people saying their streets need to be treated differently because they are "cut through" - no, these are all public spaces and should be accessible by and for the public at all times. It really isn't fair to push traffic on to other streets because you don't like it on yours. Buy a house on a different street out in the country. We live in a city. Tough it out.

There’s something called the FHA functional classification of streets, which DC follows. Narrow residential streets are not the same as an arterial like Wisconsin Avenue and may not be appropriate for thru traffic. The statement that “you live in a city” is absurd. Bethesda and some other parts of Montgomery County are more urban that some DC neighborhoods, and MoCo has very effective traffic calming, including no thru traffic limitations. Don’t be an idiot.

Yes, downtown Silver Spring is more "urban" than Palisades. That is irrelevent. That's also not where any of the "traffic calming" takes place. The desire to force all traffic onto "arterials" in order to segregate single family homes from the hoi polloi is bad from both a practical and philosophical perspective. It is sefish and it is a waste of community resources. Nobody is better or more deserving than anybody else. City streets are public goods and it is a profound violation of the public trust and social contract to give special rights to a few. The city was designed as a grid. Every street plays a role. Dont be a selfish hole.

A few years back DC installed speed humps on the NW street where we live. For the first year or so, there were jerks who blared their car horn at each and every speed hump, with the apparent intent of intimidating residents to beg DC to remove the traffic calming. God forbid that DC actually force drivers passing through to slow down just a little bit, when the streets belong to everyone! Might the PP have been one of those obnoxious honkers?

No I am not. I also don't believe your self-serving anecdote is true. It also beggar's belief that you claim "streets belong to everyone" while arguing that streets should be blocked off grom the broader population.

Are you one of those people that demands that other people drive slowly on your street while you speed on other people's streets?

Not the PP, but here's contemporaneous coverage of the honking:
https://www.thewashcycle.com/2009/10/speed-bumps-no-bike-boulevards-yes.html

I believe if DDOT really cared about safety on Chain Bridge Road, they would put up "Dangerous Curve -- Sound Horn" signs at every curve. Maybe with additional signage that horn use is mandatory after dark, we all know that night driving is much more dangerous.

[Anonymous]

harkens memories of Klingle Road. At least we finally got a beautiful trail and park after a decade or so.

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Anonymous wrote:What about for accessing Battery Kemble? Wonder if they’ll crack down on dogs there now also.

The unleashed dogs in Battery Kemble are the rich white folks’ ATVs on U Street or Metrorail turnstile jumpers. It’s a national park FFS that is now covered in dogshit and where the native fauna has long since been chased out. There are signs throughout the park that people who live in some of the world’s best educated neighborhoods cannot read. Yet has anyone there ever been issued a citation for so flagrantly disobeying federal law?

Why do you care so much? It’s literally the only park of its kind in DC, you can go to any other park in DC and not have to deal with off leash dogs. The sanctioned dog parks in DC are all absolutely awful sad tiny dust piles. If there was even one nice dog park in DC the situation at BK wouldn’t be happening. As for the fauna, not sure what you mean, it’s beautiful and lush there still.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What about for accessing Battery Kemble? Wonder if they’ll crack down on dogs there now also.

The unleashed dogs in Battery Kemble are the rich white folks’ ATVs on U Street or Metrorail turnstile jumpers. It’s a national park FFS that is now covered in dogshit and where the native fauna has long since been chased out. There are signs throughout the park that people who live in some of the world’s best educated neighborhoods cannot read. Yet has anyone there ever been issued a citation for so flagrantly disobeying federal law?

Why do you care so much? It’s literally the only park of its kind in DC, you can go to any other park in DC and not have to deal with off leash dogs. The sanctioned dog parks in DC are all absolutely awful sad tiny dust piles. If there was even one nice dog park in DC the situation at BK wouldn’t be happening. As for the fauna, not sure what you mean, it’s beautiful and lush there still.

Mostly because people in that area are trying to prevent the rest of us from accessing it and claiming law breaking on the roads as the reason.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What about for accessing Battery Kemble? Wonder if they’ll crack down on dogs there now also.

The unleashed dogs in Battery Kemble are the rich white folks’ ATVs on U Street or Metrorail turnstile jumpers. It’s a national park FFS that is now covered in dogshit and where the native fauna has long since been chased out. There are signs throughout the park that people who live in some of the world’s best educated neighborhoods cannot read. Yet has anyone there ever been issued a citation for so flagrantly disobeying federal law?

Why do you care so much? It’s literally the only park of its kind in DC, you can go to any other park in DC and not have to deal with off leash dogs. The sanctioned dog parks in DC are all absolutely awful sad tiny dust piles. If there was even one nice dog park in DC the situation at BK wouldn’t be happening. As for the fauna, not sure what you mean, it’s beautiful and lush there still.

It’s a national park not a dog run.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am so sick of all of these people saying their streets need to be treated differently because they are "cut through" - no, these are all public spaces and should be accessible by and for the public at all times. It really isn't fair to push traffic on to other streets because you don't like it on yours. Buy a house on a different street out in the country. We live in a city. Tough it out.

There’s something called the FHA functional classification of streets, which DC follows. Narrow residential streets are not the same as an arterial like Wisconsin Avenue and may not be appropriate for thru traffic. The statement that “you live in a city” is absurd. Bethesda and some other parts of Montgomery County are more urban that some DC neighborhoods, and MoCo has very effective traffic calming, including no thru traffic limitations. Don’t be an idiot.

Yes, downtown Silver Spring is more "urban" than Palisades. That is irrelevent. That's also not where any of the "traffic calming" takes place. The desire to force all traffic onto "arterials" in order to segregate single family homes from the hoi polloi is bad from both a practical and philosophical perspective. It is sefish and it is a waste of community resources. Nobody is better or more deserving than anybody else. City streets are public goods and it is a profound violation of the public trust and social contract to give special rights to a few. The city was designed as a grid. Every street plays a role. Dont be a selfish hole.

A few years back DC installed speed humps on the NW street where we live. For the first year or so, there were jerks who blared their car horn at each and every speed hump, with the apparent intent of intimidating residents to beg DC to remove the traffic calming. God forbid that DC actually force drivers passing through to slow down just a little bit, when the streets belong to everyone! Might the PP have been one of those obnoxious honkers?

No I am not. I also don't believe your self-serving anecdote is true. It also beggar's belief that you claim "streets belong to everyone" while arguing that streets should be blocked off grom the broader population.

Are you one of those people that demands that other people drive slowly on your street while you speed on other people's streets?

Not the PP, but here's contemporaneous coverage of the honking:
https://www.thewashcycle.com/2009/10/speed-bumps-no-bike-boulevards-yes.html

I believe if DDOT really cared about safety on Chain Bridge Road, they would put up "Dangerous Curve -- Sound Horn" signs at every curve. Maybe with additional signage that horn use is mandatory after dark, we all know that night driving is much more dangerous.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Oh man, I've been complaining about this for a while! Previously they turned down money to build a sidewalk, now they don't want cars to go on the road! It's totally outrageous.

The ANC's position is at least moderate, but the whole thing should be thrown out.

Who turned down money to build a sidewalk, and whose money?