Privatizing DC roads?!: Chain Bridge Rd and University Terr

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People are already driving slow and cars are safer now than ever before.

Lol, join us on planet reality. Deaths and injuries from drivers running over pedestrians are at record highs with no signs of abating because cars are only safer than "ever before" for drivers, NOT other road users. Cars on the road are way too big because our nutless government lets the auto makers call the shots at the expense of everyone else's health and welfare.

Record highs? I think you’re the one who doesn’t live in reality. Please educate yourself.

Traffic deaths are not the same thing as pedestrian deaths.

I do feel sorry for your gullibility. I am sure that you read this from someone on the internet but unfortunately it is just not true.

Pedestrian Deaths in DC 2011-2020
2011: 8
2012: 7
2013: 9
2014: 9
2015: 13
2016 :8
2017: 11
2018: 11
2019: 9
2020: 10
https://explore.dot.gov/views/DV_FARS_PD/Home?%3Aiid=2&%3AisGuestRedirectFromVizportal=y&%3Aembed=y&%3Amobile=true

Just looking at the last decade, the highest year for number of deaths was 2015. However, the number of pedestrian fatalities is actually pretty constant within defined range. When you normalize for population or vehicles miles travelled however, that is where you see declines.

So again, I beg you to educate yourself and evaluate what you read on the internet before assuming its true or repeating it. There is not a crisis of pedestrian deaths in DC.

Of these how many in NW? Also big fat 0 injuries let alone deaths on these 2 streets.it’s what the headline says: attempt to privatize at your expense

https://dcist.com/story/22/01/07/2021-deadliest-year-dc-roads/

17 pedestrian deaths in 2021 in DC

https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/verify/pedestrian-deaths-are-at-a-30-year-high-fatal-motor-vehicle-crashes/65-9061813a-8632-4966-896a-e8209d5a145a

Headline speaks for itself

No deaths on those blocks. Just icy glares from people walking their dog in the middle of a street without sidewalks.

No accidents on those blocks either. Because if there was one, we would all hear about it.

What is happening is that these people are using very sad and unfortunate incidents in Wards 7 & 8 as a justification to turn their streets into private roads and thankfully they were not successful.

If people want to live in a cul-de-sac, there are plenty of options in the suburbs.

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“over 75% of pedestrian deaths occur at night time and not at intersections. ”

Not at all surprised by this. I regularly have the chance to teach my kids about death-wish pedestrians wearing dark clothes at night crossing mid block. These people do not realize how invisible they are at night.

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People are already driving slow and cars are safer now than ever before.

Lol, join us on planet reality. Deaths and injuries from drivers running over pedestrians are at record highs with no signs of abating because cars are only safer than "ever before" for drivers, NOT other road users. Cars on the road are way too big because our nutless government lets the auto makers call the shots at the expense of everyone else's health and welfare.

Record highs? I think you’re the one who doesn’t live in reality. Please educate yourself.

Traffic deaths are not the same thing as pedestrian deaths.

I do feel sorry for your gullibility. I am sure that you read this from someone on the internet but unfortunately it is just not true.

Pedestrian Deaths in DC 2011-2020
2011: 8
2012: 7
2013: 9
2014: 9
2015: 13
2016 :8
2017: 11
2018: 11
2019: 9
2020: 10
https://explore.dot.gov/views/DV_FARS_PD/Home?%3Aiid=2&%3AisGuestRedirectFromVizportal=y&%3Aembed=y&%3Amobile=true

Just looking at the last decade, the highest year for number of deaths was 2015. However, the number of pedestrian fatalities is actually pretty constant within defined range. When you normalize for population or vehicles miles travelled however, that is where you see declines.

So again, I beg you to educate yourself and evaluate what you read on the internet before assuming its true or repeating it. There is not a crisis of pedestrian deaths in DC.

Of these how many in NW? Also big fat 0 injuries let alone deaths on these 2 streets.it’s what the headline says: attempt to privatize at your expense

https://dcist.com/story/22/01/07/2021-deadliest-year-dc-roads/

17 pedestrian deaths in 2021 in DC

https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/verify/pedestrian-deaths-are-at-a-30-year-high-fatal-motor-vehicle-crashes/65-9061813a-8632-4966-896a-e8209d5a145a

Headline speaks for itself

So you admit then that it is not a record?

Next you should compare the population from 30 years ago and today and also compare the number of deaths against vehicle miles travelled for each year. What you will see is that the number of deaths is actually quite low.

The trajectory of the red and orange lines tell the story for the numerically literate that safety has improved dramatically.

Nothing in any of those lines has anything to do with pedestrian safety.

You seem to have difficulty with math? A little number divided by a much bigger number that is growing faster than that little number results in a downward sloping curve. Get it?

You seem to have difficulty with reading comprehension.

Motorist safety is not the same thing as pedestrian safety. A chart that has a bunch of figures about motorist safety says nothing about pedestrian safety. I agree that driving has gotten much safer over the past century for the occupants of vehicles. Now show me some statistics about the people on foot sharing the same space.

Gotta love the reading comprehension (drunk?) lady. She’s the harbinger of doom for many a thread. Once she’s shown up she dumbs it all down to get level and smart folks move on. I think it’s all been said. This attempt is had nothing to do with safety and everything to do with a few oldheads not realizing that their time is over

I agree. I also feel bad for the drunk mathematically illiterate poster. Makes it hard to have informed discussions about this topic.

Put the rose down gramma-loser

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People are already driving slow and cars are safer now than ever before.

Lol, join us on planet reality. Deaths and injuries from drivers running over pedestrians are at record highs with no signs of abating because cars are only safer than "ever before" for drivers, NOT other road users. Cars on the road are way too big because our nutless government lets the auto makers call the shots at the expense of everyone else's health and welfare.

Record highs? I think you’re the one who doesn’t live in reality. Please educate yourself.

Traffic deaths are not the same thing as pedestrian deaths.

I do feel sorry for your gullibility. I am sure that you read this from someone on the internet but unfortunately it is just not true.

Pedestrian Deaths in DC 2011-2020
2011: 8
2012: 7
2013: 9
2014: 9
2015: 13
2016 :8
2017: 11
2018: 11
2019: 9
2020: 10
https://explore.dot.gov/views/DV_FARS_PD/Home?%3Aiid=2&%3AisGuestRedirectFromVizportal=y&%3Aembed=y&%3Amobile=true

Just looking at the last decade, the highest year for number of deaths was 2015. However, the number of pedestrian fatalities is actually pretty constant within defined range. When you normalize for population or vehicles miles travelled however, that is where you see declines.

So again, I beg you to educate yourself and evaluate what you read on the internet before assuming its true or repeating it. There is not a crisis of pedestrian deaths in DC.

Of these how many in NW? Also big fat 0 injuries let alone deaths on these 2 streets.it’s what the headline says: attempt to privatize at your expense

https://dcist.com/story/22/01/07/2021-deadliest-year-dc-roads/

17 pedestrian deaths in 2021 in DC

https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/verify/pedestrian-deaths-are-at-a-30-year-high-fatal-motor-vehicle-crashes/65-9061813a-8632-4966-896a-e8209d5a145a

Headline speaks for itself

So you admit then that it is not a record?

Next you should compare the population from 30 years ago and today and also compare the number of deaths against vehicle miles travelled for each year. What you will see is that the number of deaths is actually quite low.

The trajectory of the red and orange lines tell the story for the numerically literate that safety has improved dramatically.

Nothing in any of those lines has anything to do with pedestrian safety.

You seem to have difficulty with math? A little number divided by a much bigger number that is growing faster than that little number results in a downward sloping curve. Get it?

You seem to have difficulty with reading comprehension.

Motorist safety is not the same thing as pedestrian safety. A chart that has a bunch of figures about motorist safety says nothing about pedestrian safety. I agree that driving has gotten much safer over the past century for the occupants of vehicles. Now show me some statistics about the people on foot sharing the same space.

Gotta love the reading comprehension (drunk?) lady. She’s the harbinger of doom for many a thread. Once she’s shown up she dumbs it all down to get level and smart folks move on. I think it’s all been said. This attempt is had nothing to do with safety and everything to do with a few oldheads not realizing that their time is over

I agree. I also feel bad for the drunk mathematically illiterate poster. Makes it hard to have informed discussions about this topic.

Put the rose down gramma-loser

How to Win Friends and Influence People, by Dale Carnegie.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
People are already driving slow and cars are safer now than ever before.

Lol, join us on planet reality. Deaths and injuries from drivers running over pedestrians are at record highs with no signs of abating because cars are only safer than "ever before" for drivers, NOT other road users. Cars on the road are way too big because our nutless government lets the auto makers call the shots at the expense of everyone else's health and welfare.

Record highs? I think you’re the one who doesn’t live in reality. Please educate yourself.

Traffic deaths are not the same thing as pedestrian deaths.

I do feel sorry for your gullibility. I am sure that you read this from someone on the internet but unfortunately it is just not true.

Pedestrian Deaths in DC 2011-2020
2011: 8
2012: 7
2013: 9
2014: 9
2015: 13
2016 :8
2017: 11
2018: 11
2019: 9
2020: 10
https://explore.dot.gov/views/DV_FARS_PD/Home?%3Aiid=2&%3AisGuestRedirectFromVizportal=y&%3Aembed=y&%3Amobile=true

Just looking at the last decade, the highest year for number of deaths was 2015. However, the number of pedestrian fatalities is actually pretty constant within defined range. When you normalize for population or vehicles miles travelled however, that is where you see declines.

So again, I beg you to educate yourself and evaluate what you read on the internet before assuming its true or repeating it. There is not a crisis of pedestrian deaths in DC.

Of these how many in NW? Also big fat 0 injuries let alone deaths on these 2 streets.it’s what the headline says: attempt to privatize at your expense

https://dcist.com/story/22/01/07/2021-deadliest-year-dc-roads/

17 pedestrian deaths in 2021 in DC

https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/verify/pedestrian-deaths-are-at-a-30-year-high-fatal-motor-vehicle-crashes/65-9061813a-8632-4966-896a-e8209d5a145a

Headline speaks for itself

The vast majority in wards 7 & 8 yet the measures are all going up in ward 3 where there are virtually no incidents.


What is the percentage decrease projected to be gained by these ward 3 measures? 0% because there weren't any reported incidents on those streets.
It is not a problem in ward 3 and it's a waste of resources to put them there but not where the actual problems are located.

It's like building a supermarket in AU Park and claiming it increases access to fresh groceries in the city

Money should not be the issue. If Bowser can find the money to paint BLM Plaza then she can find funds to paint some school crosswalks and build speed bumps to protect lives. Just get it done.

Which schools don't have crosswalks?

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People are already driving slow and cars are safer now than ever before.

Lol, join us on planet reality. Deaths and injuries from drivers running over pedestrians are at record highs with no signs of abating because cars are only safer than "ever before" for drivers, NOT other road users. Cars on the road are way too big because our nutless government lets the auto makers call the shots at the expense of everyone else's health and welfare.

Record highs? I think you’re the one who doesn’t live in reality. Please educate yourself.

Traffic deaths are not the same thing as pedestrian deaths.

I do feel sorry for your gullibility. I am sure that you read this from someone on the internet but unfortunately it is just not true.

Pedestrian Deaths in DC 2011-2020
2011: 8
2012: 7
2013: 9
2014: 9
2015: 13
2016 :8
2017: 11
2018: 11
2019: 9
2020: 10
https://explore.dot.gov/views/DV_FARS_PD/Home?%3Aiid=2&%3AisGuestRedirectFromVizportal=y&%3Aembed=y&%3Amobile=true

Just looking at the last decade, the highest year for number of deaths was 2015. However, the number of pedestrian fatalities is actually pretty constant within defined range. When you normalize for population or vehicles miles travelled however, that is where you see declines.

So again, I beg you to educate yourself and evaluate what you read on the internet before assuming its true or repeating it. There is not a crisis of pedestrian deaths in DC.

Of these how many in NW? Also big fat 0 injuries let alone deaths on these 2 streets.it’s what the headline says: attempt to privatize at your expense

https://dcist.com/story/22/01/07/2021-deadliest-year-dc-roads/

17 pedestrian deaths in 2021 in DC

https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/verify/pedestrian-deaths-are-at-a-30-year-high-fatal-motor-vehicle-crashes/65-9061813a-8632-4966-896a-e8209d5a145a

Headline speaks for itself

So you admit then that it is not a record?

Next you should compare the population from 30 years ago and today and also compare the number of deaths against vehicle miles travelled for each year. What you will see is that the number of deaths is actually quite low.

The trajectory of the red and orange lines tell the story for the numerically literate that safety has improved dramatically.

Nothing in any of those lines has anything to do with pedestrian safety.

You seem to have difficulty with math? A little number divided by a much bigger number that is growing faster than that little number results in a downward sloping curve. Get it?

You seem to have difficulty with reading comprehension.

Motorist safety is not the same thing as pedestrian safety. A chart that has a bunch of figures about motorist safety says nothing about pedestrian safety. I agree that driving has gotten much safer over the past century for the occupants of vehicles. Now show me some statistics about the people on foot sharing the same space.

Gotta love the reading comprehension (drunk?) lady. She’s the harbinger of doom for many a thread. Once she’s shown up she dumbs it all down to get level and smart folks move on. I think it’s all been said. This attempt is had nothing to do with safety and everything to do with a few oldheads not realizing that their time is over

I agree. I also feel bad for the drunk mathematically illiterate poster. Makes it hard to have informed discussions about this topic.

Put the rose down gramma-loser

How to Win Friends and Influence People, by Dale Carnegie.

More like: How to lose a sure thing by bragging about it prematurely (spectacularly and to the great delight of the neighbors) by a UT Oldhead

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:“over 75% of pedestrian deaths occur at night time and not at intersections. ”

Not at all surprised by this. I regularly have the chance to teach my kids about death-wish pedestrians wearing dark clothes at night crossing mid block. These people do not realize how invisible they are at night.

Wow! Sounds like street lights are the real solution.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:“over 75% of pedestrian deaths occur at night time and not at intersections. ”

Not at all surprised by this. I regularly have the chance to teach my kids about death-wish pedestrians wearing dark clothes at night crossing mid block. These people do not realize how invisible they are at night.

Wow! Sounds like street lights are the real solution.

As well as medians where it is appropriate to discourage mid-block crossing.

[Anonymous]

This is one of the funniest DC sagas I’ve read in a while. I keep laughing at these entitled doofuses as I drive down CBR/UT. There are significantly fewer cars on these road than planes closely overhead. Recommended for your commute (but don’t risk your money buying there, it’s a flight corridor with too many crazy neighbors).

[Anonymous]

I love that their plans got thwarted. Due to their own loose lips no less. Bragging on the listserve kicked off a movement amongst the younger neighbors

Time to fold up the segregationist Preservation Committee altogether. Or wait a few years for the natural selection.

[Anonymous]

This CBR/UT implosion was one of the funniest stories of the summer. Love that they failed!!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is one of the funniest DC sagas I’ve read in a while. I keep laughing at these entitled doofuses as I drive down CBR/UT. There are significantly fewer cars on these road than planes closely overhead. Recommended for your commute (but don’t risk your money buying there, it’s a flight corridor with too many crazy neighbors).

The bitter, divorced OP strikes again. Literally half of the posts are from OP. If only you put this passion toward something meaningful.

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Anonymous wrote:I am so sick of all of these people saying their streets need to be treated differently because they are "cut through" - no, these are all public spaces and should be accessible by and for the public at all times. It really isn't fair to push traffic on to other streets because you don't like it on yours. Buy a house on a different street out in the country. We live in a city. Tough it out.

There’s something called the FHA functional classification of streets, which DC follows. Narrow residential streets are not the same as an arterial like Wisconsin Avenue and may not be appropriate for thru traffic. The statement that “you live in a city” is absurd. Bethesda and some other parts of Montgomery County are more urban that some DC neighborhoods, and MoCo has very effective traffic calming, including no thru traffic limitations. Don’t be an idiot.

Yes, downtown Silver Spring is more "urban" than Palisades. That is irrelevent. That's also not where any of the "traffic calming" takes place. The desire to force all traffic onto "arterials" in order to segregate single family homes from the hoi polloi is bad from both a practical and philosophical perspective. It is sefish and it is a waste of community resources. Nobody is better or more deserving than anybody else. City streets are public goods and it is a profound violation of the public trust and social contract to give special rights to a few. The city was designed as a grid. Every street plays a role. Dont be a selfish hole.

My kids’ safety IS more deserving than your desire to save a couple of minutes by speeding down a short cut on some narrow street.

This has absolutely nothing to do with safety.

As a longtime resident, yes, it does. I'll be blunt: Virginia commuters blast through all of these streets, barely paying attention, speeding angrily, just to try to save 2 minutes of three-way stopping at CBR or Arizona. While I hope the new speed camera on Arizona financially penalizes some of these drivers, I suspect it will only "encourage" more of them to race through quiet residential streets. And yes, neighbors' dogs have been hit and children almost struck.

I'm not talking about families dropping off children at Key. No one else who lives here is talking about that. Come over here and see how little these commuters value safety, and you might sing a different tune.

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I’m also a longtime resident and I call bull. You lost. Not even the majority living on these streets agrees with you. Pipe down.

100% false

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Anonymous wrote:I am so sick of all of these people saying their streets need to be treated differently because they are "cut through" - no, these are all public spaces and should be accessible by and for the public at all times. It really isn't fair to push traffic on to other streets because you don't like it on yours. Buy a house on a different street out in the country. We live in a city. Tough it out.

There’s something called the FHA functional classification of streets, which DC follows. Narrow residential streets are not the same as an arterial like Wisconsin Avenue and may not be appropriate for thru traffic. The statement that “you live in a city” is absurd. Bethesda and some other parts of Montgomery County are more urban that some DC neighborhoods, and MoCo has very effective traffic calming, including no thru traffic limitations. Don’t be an idiot.

Yes, downtown Silver Spring is more "urban" than Palisades. That is irrelevent. That's also not where any of the "traffic calming" takes place. The desire to force all traffic onto "arterials" in order to segregate single family homes from the hoi polloi is bad from both a practical and philosophical perspective. It is sefish and it is a waste of community resources. Nobody is better or more deserving than anybody else. City streets are public goods and it is a profound violation of the public trust and social contract to give special rights to a few. The city was designed as a grid. Every street plays a role. Dont be a selfish hole.

My kids’ safety IS more deserving than your desire to save a couple of minutes by speeding down a short cut on some narrow street.

This has absolutely nothing to do with safety.

As a longtime resident, yes, it does. I'll be blunt: Virginia commuters blast through all of these streets, barely paying attention, speeding angrily, just to try to save 2 minutes of three-way stopping at CBR or Arizona. While I hope the new speed camera on Arizona financially penalizes some of these drivers, I suspect it will only "encourage" more of them to race through quiet residential streets. And yes, neighbors' dogs have been hit and children almost struck.

I'm not talking about families dropping off children at Key. No one else who lives here is talking about that. Come over here and see how little these commuters value safety, and you might sing a different tune.

The residents would have more credibility if they also supported other measures that would improve safety, like speed cameras, speed bumps and most of all sidewalks. They lose credibility when they say the only possible solution is closing the street to anyone who doesn't live there.