What is MCPS doing to make schools safer?

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Anonymous wrote:Most kids want SROs back.

https://www.mymcmedia.org/police-may-return-to-mcps-schools-students-have-mixed-reactions/

Lol, I love how the article says "MyMCM spoke with some students at Gaithersburg High School who said they would feel safer..." then goes on to say, "However, other students disagree ...." and you somehow landed on "MOST students want SROs back." Do you even know how to comprehend what you are reading? Nowhere in that article did it state MOST students...in fact, the rest of the article goes on to contradict exactly that... "At a recent student vigil organized by Sunrise Silver Spring, those in attendance demonstrated their desire to keep schools police-free.

“Putting in the CEO 2.0 Program is not going to keep us safer, and it is actually just going to cause more trauma,” Miles, a 15-year-old freshman at Montgomery Blair High School, said at the vigil.

MCPS students also held a rally against police precedence in schools in February. Students told MyMCM they were against the CEO 2.0 Program and instead wanted to see more mental health support."

YOU cited this article to back a claim and it appears you didn't even read it. Just..wow.

Did you watch the video? MyMCM is one of the few outlets that shows both sides. The pro SRO folks have been begging Rebecca Tan of WaPo to provide coverage of their events and she ignores them. She's so biased it's unbelievable.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe I’ve missed it, but I haven’t seen anything about increased security at MCPS schools or even what the safety measures already in place are. I went to the website and could not find info on this. I’ve noticed differences between schools when it comes to security measures. I’d like to know what MCPS already requires, and what it is planning to do county-wide.

Until the GOP is driven from power, not a lot can be done.

Oh really?

Do you live in Montgomery County? Not a single Republican in sight in local politics. And at the federal level….

Which is why they have great gun laws but we boarder terrible states.

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Anonymous wrote:Serious question: do MCPS parents only care about mass shootings? Or all shootings? I am really shocked at how little outrage there is about Magruder, or Jai'lyn Jones being murdered by a fellow Northwest student.

Because mark my words, if we don't get our act together, it's only a matter of time before another school shooting or serious stabbing.

+1 million

Where were the marches then? Where was the parental outrage when a kid was raped in the bathroom at a high school?

That was not a rape.

But where was the outrage when the white male former cop turned security guard raped the RM girl and the judge let him out on bond to rape her again and gave him visitation with his step daughter.

????!!!???

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Gun control has nothing to do with making MCPS safer. MCPS is doing nothing. Most parents wanted them to remove SRO's and police from the schools. They did.

How did the police do in Uvalde? Or Parkland?

Don’t get me wrong, I support having SROs in schools. I just think it is ridiculous to think they’d stop school shootings.

They didn't do well but that's not a justification to not have them. If they did their job they would have gone in, killed the killer and got those kids medical attention and that is the point.

If these incidents are representative, SROs will stand around, run away or arrest parents.

There have been SRO's who have also saved lives.

Neat. What percentage of the very, very long list of school shootings in the US since the 90s were stopped by SROs?

Hint: damn few.

Here’s a report with some statistics for you:
https://cops.usdoj.gov/RIC/Publications/cops-w0903-pub.pdf

It highlights 236 cases, of which 168 were adverted. It also contains twelve case studies of SRO-related events. On a personal level, I witnessed the SRO at my high school remove three knives and one gun from students, all taken without incident. He did a lot more than that, but those are the incidences I witnessed with my own eyes. The simple truth is there are many of us who have seen the value of SROs.

We all know the MoCo council pulled SROs without actually surveying the community. Instead, they listened to a small, yet vocal group. We also know that the principals were unanimous in wanting them to remain.

In almost every case in that truth the situation was diverted by a student, teacher, principal or behavioral specialist.

Having an armed guard at a school is the #1 reason a psycho thinks they need an AR15.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7887654/

SROs make schools less safe.

You are welcome to hate SROs, but you are also going to have to accept facts. If you actually look at that report, you’ll realize you are incorrect. As for being “diverted by a student,” I have personally witnessed how that actually happens… 4 times. Students don’t disarm their peers. Students tell adults, who get the SRO to do the disarming. If that’s what you mean by “divert,” then I think we would both have to agree SROs are still necessary.

Again… you may hate SROs all you want. I suspect the majority of MCPS is in support of them, but we won’t know until the BOE or the council decides to send out a survey. I doubt they will since they may not like the results.

I don’t hate SROs my family has many police officers, lawyers and judges. I know SROs never disarm a gunman, never… not once. They are ineffective window dressing.

They call for real police just like a teacher, student or principal can do. They are a useless step in the process.

You can love window dressing all you want but your ignorant anecdotes don’t mean SROs help with shootings. Gun control does.

DP here. You're right. We need Gun control but you're wrong that SROs make schools less safe and wrong when you said that they don't disarm students. At Clarksburg High, an SRO disarmed a student with a gun a few years ago.
All 25 HS principals disagree with you. And students disagree with your position that SROs are harmful. This is from the Blair HS newspaper written by a student recently:

Before MCPS decided to remove SROs, Blair benefited from a mentoring program run by its security team and then-SRO. As Blair's Security Team Leader, Darryl Cooper, describes it, "Everybody on security would take at least five kids [to] mentor throughout the year along with the SRO. So you had a police [officer] that was mentoring kids… they keep in touch with her now that she's been transferred out."
By limiting the presence of these officers on high school campuses, MCPS prevents them from continuing their tradition of mentoring at-risk students. According to the Department of Homeland Security, social isolation is a major risk factor for students who commit violence in schools. A core part of violence prevention is ensuring that at-risk students build positive relationships with mentors–teachers, counselors, coaches, and officers–who can guide them in the right direction.

No an SRO did NOT disarm a student at Clarksburg. A student told a teacher, who told an SRO, who told a principal (because the SRO didn’t even know where the student was/which class). They called the real police and the real police made a plan and called the kid out of class. Nobody was disarmed because he was not holding the gun.

What that kid needed was a mental health intervention before he brought a gun to school. Everybody knew he was unstable. The SRO didn’t stop him from bringing a gun”because he was so in tune with students”.

I agree principals need to identify dangerous kids and remove them but they can’t. They get moved around like the Damascus rapist and Sheinbein.

Mentoring at risk kids FFS. No just no. They need therapists/ psychiatrists and real parents/families. A cop is not a psychologist, most don’t even have a 4 year degree. Hey maybe the school plumber can mentor them too, they have more of an education.

But you're wrong again: https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/maryland/18-year-old-who-brought-gun-to-clarksburg-hs-sentenced-to-4-months/65-545325214

Listen the overwhelming number of people IN the schools adults and kids know the value of SROs and want them back. There is huge evidence that having them in schools was a huge benefit for everyone. They helped keep schools safe and served as role models to tons of students. Your inability to see that tells me you fall in one of these categories: you don't have kids at school or your kids attend an expensive private, or you're a full pledged activist that hates all cops. It's not a surprise that members of the county council who pulled SROs from schools without regard of the people it would impact fall in one or more of these categories.

Here is a education for you, read the police investigation… not the police report for the truth, and rarely the media.

Student told teacher told principal told SRO called cops, got gun. That’s how it happened.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe I’ve missed it, but I haven’t seen anything about increased security at MCPS schools or even what the safety measures already in place are. I went to the website and could not find info on this. I’ve noticed differences between schools when it comes to security measures. I’d like to know what MCPS already requires, and what it is planning to do county-wide.

Until the GOP is driven from power, not a lot can be done.

Oh really?

Do you live in Montgomery County? Not a single Republican in sight in local politics. And at the federal level….

Which is why they have great gun laws but we boarder terrible states.

Montgomery County doesn’t have its own gun laws. It does have a council that primarily spends its time congratulating itself and demeaning MCPD, neither of which helps answer the OP’s question about making the county schools safer.

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Gun control has nothing to do with making MCPS safer. MCPS is doing nothing. Most parents wanted them to remove SRO's and police from the schools. They did.

How did the police do in Uvalde? Or Parkland?

Don’t get me wrong, I support having SROs in schools. I just think it is ridiculous to think they’d stop school shootings.

They didn't do well but that's not a justification to not have them. If they did their job they would have gone in, killed the killer and got those kids medical attention and that is the point.

If these incidents are representative, SROs will stand around, run away or arrest parents.

There have been SRO's who have also saved lives.

Neat. What percentage of the very, very long list of school shootings in the US since the 90s were stopped by SROs?

Hint: damn few.

Here’s a report with some statistics for you:
https://cops.usdoj.gov/RIC/Publications/cops-w0903-pub.pdf

It highlights 236 cases, of which 168 were adverted. It also contains twelve case studies of SRO-related events. On a personal level, I witnessed the SRO at my high school remove three knives and one gun from students, all taken without incident. He did a lot more than that, but those are the incidences I witnessed with my own eyes. The simple truth is there are many of us who have seen the value of SROs.

We all know the MoCo council pulled SROs without actually surveying the community. Instead, they listened to a small, yet vocal group. We also know that the principals were unanimous in wanting them to remain.

In almost every case in that truth the situation was diverted by a student, teacher, principal or behavioral specialist.

Having an armed guard at a school is the #1 reason a psycho thinks they need an AR15.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7887654/

SROs make schools less safe.

You are welcome to hate SROs, but you are also going to have to accept facts. If you actually look at that report, you’ll realize you are incorrect. As for being “diverted by a student,” I have personally witnessed how that actually happens… 4 times. Students don’t disarm their peers. Students tell adults, who get the SRO to do the disarming. If that’s what you mean by “divert,” then I think we would both have to agree SROs are still necessary.

Again… you may hate SROs all you want. I suspect the majority of MCPS is in support of them, but we won’t know until the BOE or the council decides to send out a survey. I doubt they will since they may not like the results.

I don’t hate SROs my family has many police officers, lawyers and judges. I know SROs never disarm a gunman, never… not once. They are ineffective window dressing.

They call for real police just like a teacher, student or principal can do. They are a useless step in the process.

You can love window dressing all you want but your ignorant anecdotes don’t mean SROs help with shootings. Gun control does.

My statistics and real-world anecdotes were countered with insults. When you can back up your beliefs with something other than hate, we may get somewhere. Until then, I’ll just be thankful that logic is prevailing and SROs are being reinstated.

You don’t have statistics and if you’ve seen 4 SROs disarm students you are delusion and need therapy.

Being ignorant is not an insult it’s a call to educate yourself.

If a farmer told me I was ignorant about farming it would be a correct statement not an insult and I’d listen Instead of talk.

SRO reinstatement is a.waste of money and a call to a psycho they need more fire power. Enjoy your future AR15 day.

Once again, you bring nothing but insults to the table. Your absurd comments regarding ignorance are highly ironic; you refuse to listen to somebody who has presented statistics (see link above) and true anecdotal evidence. 18 years in a high school? I’ve seen A LOT.

I have yet to see you present anything but denial. At this point, I recognize I’m arguing with someone incapable of having a logical discussion about school safety. (Actually, I figured that out already…)

I ousted the student and links to organizations that have a sole purpose of protecting the world from gun violence.

All you presented was uneducated teachers/students/parents with no background or knowledge of how to keep schools safe.

Do you have A real study that shows 1x an SRO stopped a gun from coming to school because they intercepted it from coming into the school? One?

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Gun control has nothing to do with making MCPS safer. MCPS is doing nothing. Most parents wanted them to remove SRO's and police from the schools. They did.

How did the police do in Uvalde? Or Parkland?

Don’t get me wrong, I support having SROs in schools. I just think it is ridiculous to think they’d stop school shootings.

They didn't do well but that's not a justification to not have them. If they did their job they would have gone in, killed the killer and got those kids medical attention and that is the point.

If these incidents are representative, SROs will stand around, run away or arrest parents.

There have been SRO's who have also saved lives.

Neat. What percentage of the very, very long list of school shootings in the US since the 90s were stopped by SROs?

Hint: damn few.

Here’s a report with some statistics for you:
https://cops.usdoj.gov/RIC/Publications/cops-w0903-pub.pdf

It highlights 236 cases, of which 168 were adverted. It also contains twelve case studies of SRO-related events. On a personal level, I witnessed the SRO at my high school remove three knives and one gun from students, all taken without incident. He did a lot more than that, but those are the incidences I witnessed with my own eyes. The simple truth is there are many of us who have seen the value of SROs.

We all know the MoCo council pulled SROs without actually surveying the community. Instead, they listened to a small, yet vocal group. We also know that the principals were unanimous in wanting them to remain.

In almost every case in that truth the situation was diverted by a student, teacher, principal or behavioral specialist.

Having an armed guard at a school is the #1 reason a psycho thinks they need an AR15.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7887654/

SROs make schools less safe.

You are welcome to hate SROs, but you are also going to have to accept facts. If you actually look at that report, you’ll realize you are incorrect. As for being “diverted by a student,” I have personally witnessed how that actually happens… 4 times. Students don’t disarm their peers. Students tell adults, who get the SRO to do the disarming. If that’s what you mean by “divert,” then I think we would both have to agree SROs are still necessary.

Again… you may hate SROs all you want. I suspect the majority of MCPS is in support of them, but we won’t know until the BOE or the council decides to send out a survey. I doubt they will since they may not like the results.

I don’t hate SROs my family has many police officers, lawyers and judges. I know SROs never disarm a gunman, never… not once. They are ineffective window dressing.

They call for real police just like a teacher, student or principal can do. They are a useless step in the process.

You can love window dressing all you want but your ignorant anecdotes don’t mean SROs help with shootings. Gun control does.

My statistics and real-world anecdotes were countered with insults. When you can back up your beliefs with something other than hate, we may get somewhere. Until then, I’ll just be thankful that logic is prevailing and SROs are being reinstated.

You don’t have statistics and if you’ve seen 4 SROs disarm students you are delusion and need therapy.

Being ignorant is not an insult it’s a call to educate yourself.

If a farmer told me I was ignorant about farming it would be a correct statement not an insult and I’d listen Instead of talk.

SRO reinstatement is a.waste of money and a call to a psycho they need more fire power. Enjoy your future AR15 day.

Once again, you bring nothing but insults to the table. Your absurd comments regarding ignorance are highly ironic; you refuse to listen to somebody who has presented statistics (see link above) and true anecdotal evidence. 18 years in a high school? I’ve seen A LOT.

I have yet to see you present anything but denial. At this point, I recognize I’m arguing with someone incapable of having a logical discussion about school safety. (Actually, I figured that out already…)

I ousted the student and links to organizations that have a sole purpose of protecting the world from gun violence.

All you presented was uneducated teachers/students/parents with no background or knowledge of how to keep schools safe.

Do you have A real study that shows 1x an SRO stopped a gun from coming to school because they intercepted it from coming into the school? One?

This is the last time I’m responding because I’m tired of repeating myself. I posted pages of case studies earlier in this thread. Also, you are going to call teachers and others who work directly with students “uneducated”? Even if you meant educated specifically about student safety, you are *still* wrong. Teachers undergo regular training and work daily to create safe environments.

I suspect you are also the poster upthread who told me I am “delusional and need therapy” if I believe I’ve witnessed SROs take weapons from students. You don’t get to change reality. I’ve seen it multiple times, as have scores of other teachers. That, in a way, was also an education for me. I’ve seen SROs in action. This isn’t some simple theoretical exercise to me, which is why I get rather annoyed when people post unsupported claims and blanked statements.

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Gun control has nothing to do with making MCPS safer. MCPS is doing nothing. Most parents wanted them to remove SRO's and police from the schools. They did.

How did the police do in Uvalde? Or Parkland?

Don’t get me wrong, I support having SROs in schools. I just think it is ridiculous to think they’d stop school shootings.

They didn't do well but that's not a justification to not have them. If they did their job they would have gone in, killed the killer and got those kids medical attention and that is the point.

If these incidents are representative, SROs will stand around, run away or arrest parents.

There have been SRO's who have also saved lives.

Neat. What percentage of the very, very long list of school shootings in the US since the 90s were stopped by SROs?

Hint: damn few.

Here’s a report with some statistics for you:
https://cops.usdoj.gov/RIC/Publications/cops-w0903-pub.pdf

It highlights 236 cases, of which 168 were adverted. It also contains twelve case studies of SRO-related events. On a personal level, I witnessed the SRO at my high school remove three knives and one gun from students, all taken without incident. He did a lot more than that, but those are the incidences I witnessed with my own eyes. The simple truth is there are many of us who have seen the value of SROs.

We all know the MoCo council pulled SROs without actually surveying the community. Instead, they listened to a small, yet vocal group. We also know that the principals were unanimous in wanting them to remain.

In almost every case in that truth the situation was diverted by a student, teacher, principal or behavioral specialist.

Having an armed guard at a school is the #1 reason a psycho thinks they need an AR15.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7887654/

SROs make schools less safe.

You are welcome to hate SROs, but you are also going to have to accept facts. If you actually look at that report, you’ll realize you are incorrect. As for being “diverted by a student,” I have personally witnessed how that actually happens… 4 times. Students don’t disarm their peers. Students tell adults, who get the SRO to do the disarming. If that’s what you mean by “divert,” then I think we would both have to agree SROs are still necessary.

Again… you may hate SROs all you want. I suspect the majority of MCPS is in support of them, but we won’t know until the BOE or the council decides to send out a survey. I doubt they will since they may not like the results.

I don’t hate SROs my family has many police officers, lawyers and judges. I know SROs never disarm a gunman, never… not once. They are ineffective window dressing.

They call for real police just like a teacher, student or principal can do. They are a useless step in the process.

You can love window dressing all you want but your ignorant anecdotes don’t mean SROs help with shootings. Gun control does.

My statistics and real-world anecdotes were countered with insults. When you can back up your beliefs with something other than hate, we may get somewhere. Until then, I’ll just be thankful that logic is prevailing and SROs are being reinstated.

You don’t have statistics and if you’ve seen 4 SROs disarm students you are delusion and need therapy.

Being ignorant is not an insult it’s a call to educate yourself.

If a farmer told me I was ignorant about farming it would be a correct statement not an insult and I’d listen Instead of talk.

SRO reinstatement is a.waste of money and a call to a psycho they need more fire power. Enjoy your future AR15 day.

Once again, you bring nothing but insults to the table. Your absurd comments regarding ignorance are highly ironic; you refuse to listen to somebody who has presented statistics (see link above) and true anecdotal evidence. 18 years in a high school? I’ve seen A LOT.

I have yet to see you present anything but denial. At this point, I recognize I’m arguing with someone incapable of having a logical discussion about school safety. (Actually, I figured that out already…)

I ousted the student and links to organizations that have a sole purpose of protecting the world from gun violence.

All you presented was uneducated teachers/students/parents with no background or knowledge of how to keep schools safe.

Do you have A real study that shows 1x an SRO stopped a gun from coming to school because they intercepted it from coming into the school? One?

This is the last time I’m responding because I’m tired of repeating myself. I posted pages of case studies earlier in this thread. Also, you are going to call teachers and others who work directly with students “uneducated”? Even if you meant educated specifically about student safety, you are *still* wrong. Teachers undergo regular training and work daily to create safe environments.

I suspect you are also the poster upthread who told me I am “delusional and need therapy” if I believe I’ve witnessed SROs take weapons from students. You don’t get to change reality. I’ve seen it multiple times, as have scores of other teachers. That, in a way, was also an education for me. I’ve seen SROs in action. This isn’t some simple theoretical exercise to me, which is why I get rather annoyed when people post unsupported claims and blanked statements.

This is all good and well but not of it really matters unless the GOP stops blocking common sense gun reform.

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Gun control has nothing to do with making MCPS safer. MCPS is doing nothing. Most parents wanted them to remove SRO's and police from the schools. They did.

How did the police do in Uvalde? Or Parkland?

Don’t get me wrong, I support having SROs in schools. I just think it is ridiculous to think they’d stop school shootings.

They didn't do well but that's not a justification to not have them. If they did their job they would have gone in, killed the killer and got those kids medical attention and that is the point.

If these incidents are representative, SROs will stand around, run away or arrest parents.

There have been SRO's who have also saved lives.

Neat. What percentage of the very, very long list of school shootings in the US since the 90s were stopped by SROs?

Hint: damn few.

Here’s a report with some statistics for you:
https://cops.usdoj.gov/RIC/Publications/cops-w0903-pub.pdf

It highlights 236 cases, of which 168 were adverted. It also contains twelve case studies of SRO-related events. On a personal level, I witnessed the SRO at my high school remove three knives and one gun from students, all taken without incident. He did a lot more than that, but those are the incidences I witnessed with my own eyes. The simple truth is there are many of us who have seen the value of SROs.

We all know the MoCo council pulled SROs without actually surveying the community. Instead, they listened to a small, yet vocal group. We also know that the principals were unanimous in wanting them to remain.

In almost every case in that truth the situation was diverted by a student, teacher, principal or behavioral specialist.

Having an armed guard at a school is the #1 reason a psycho thinks they need an AR15.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7887654/

SROs make schools less safe.

You are welcome to hate SROs, but you are also going to have to accept facts. If you actually look at that report, you’ll realize you are incorrect. As for being “diverted by a student,” I have personally witnessed how that actually happens… 4 times. Students don’t disarm their peers. Students tell adults, who get the SRO to do the disarming. If that’s what you mean by “divert,” then I think we would both have to agree SROs are still necessary.

Again… you may hate SROs all you want. I suspect the majority of MCPS is in support of them, but we won’t know until the BOE or the council decides to send out a survey. I doubt they will since they may not like the results.

I don’t hate SROs my family has many police officers, lawyers and judges. I know SROs never disarm a gunman, never… not once. They are ineffective window dressing.

They call for real police just like a teacher, student or principal can do. They are a useless step in the process.

You can love window dressing all you want but your ignorant anecdotes don’t mean SROs help with shootings. Gun control does.

My statistics and real-world anecdotes were countered with insults. When you can back up your beliefs with something other than hate, we may get somewhere. Until then, I’ll just be thankful that logic is prevailing and SROs are being reinstated.

You don’t have statistics and if you’ve seen 4 SROs disarm students you are delusion and need therapy.

Being ignorant is not an insult it’s a call to educate yourself.

If a farmer told me I was ignorant about farming it would be a correct statement not an insult and I’d listen Instead of talk.

SRO reinstatement is a.waste of money and a call to a psycho they need more fire power. Enjoy your future AR15 day.

Once again, you bring nothing but insults to the table. Your absurd comments regarding ignorance are highly ironic; you refuse to listen to somebody who has presented statistics (see link above) and true anecdotal evidence. 18 years in a high school? I’ve seen A LOT.

I have yet to see you present anything but denial. At this point, I recognize I’m arguing with someone incapable of having a logical discussion about school safety. (Actually, I figured that out already…)

I ousted the student and links to organizations that have a sole purpose of protecting the world from gun violence.

All you presented was uneducated teachers/students/parents with no background or knowledge of how to keep schools safe.

Do you have A real study that shows 1x an SRO stopped a gun from coming to school because they intercepted it from coming into the school? One?

This is the last time I’m responding because I’m tired of repeating myself. I posted pages of case studies earlier in this thread. Also, you are going to call teachers and others who work directly with students “uneducated”? Even if you meant educated specifically about student safety, you are *still* wrong. Teachers undergo regular training and work daily to create safe environments.

I suspect you are also the poster upthread who told me I am “delusional and need therapy” if I believe I’ve witnessed SROs take weapons from students. You don’t get to change reality. I’ve seen it multiple times, as have scores of other teachers. That, in a way, was also an education for me. I’ve seen SROs in action. This isn’t some simple theoretical exercise to me, which is why I get rather annoyed when people post unsupported claims and blanked statements.

This is all good and well but not of it really matters unless the GOP stops blocking common sense gun reform.

Agreed. Honestly you all are like obese patients after a heart attack requesting the best cardiac surgeon to perform your bypass. You wouldn't be in this predicament (SROs, CEOs, armed trachers???) If there weren't so many guns around. Prevention will stop most heart attacks,not a good cardiologist..

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Gun control has nothing to do with making MCPS safer. MCPS is doing nothing. Most parents wanted them to remove SRO's and police from the schools. They did.

How did the police do in Uvalde? Or Parkland?

Don’t get me wrong, I support having SROs in schools. I just think it is ridiculous to think they’d stop school shootings.

They didn't do well but that's not a justification to not have them. If they did their job they would have gone in, killed the killer and got those kids medical attention and that is the point.

If these incidents are representative, SROs will stand around, run away or arrest parents.

There have been SRO's who have also saved lives.

Neat. What percentage of the very, very long list of school shootings in the US since the 90s were stopped by SROs?

Hint: damn few.

Here’s a report with some statistics for you:
https://cops.usdoj.gov/RIC/Publications/cops-w0903-pub.pdf

It highlights 236 cases, of which 168 were adverted. It also contains twelve case studies of SRO-related events. On a personal level, I witnessed the SRO at my high school remove three knives and one gun from students, all taken without incident. He did a lot more than that, but those are the incidences I witnessed with my own eyes. The simple truth is there are many of us who have seen the value of SROs.

We all know the MoCo council pulled SROs without actually surveying the community. Instead, they listened to a small, yet vocal group. We also know that the principals were unanimous in wanting them to remain.

In almost every case in that truth the situation was diverted by a student, teacher, principal or behavioral specialist.

Having an armed guard at a school is the #1 reason a psycho thinks they need an AR15.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7887654/

SROs make schools less safe.

You are welcome to hate SROs, but you are also going to have to accept facts. If you actually look at that report, you’ll realize you are incorrect. As for being “diverted by a student,” I have personally witnessed how that actually happens… 4 times. Students don’t disarm their peers. Students tell adults, who get the SRO to do the disarming. If that’s what you mean by “divert,” then I think we would both have to agree SROs are still necessary.

Again… you may hate SROs all you want. I suspect the majority of MCPS is in support of them, but we won’t know until the BOE or the council decides to send out a survey. I doubt they will since they may not like the results.

I don’t hate SROs my family has many police officers, lawyers and judges. I know SROs never disarm a gunman, never… not once. They are ineffective window dressing.

They call for real police just like a teacher, student or principal can do. They are a useless step in the process.

You can love window dressing all you want but your ignorant anecdotes don’t mean SROs help with shootings. Gun control does.

My statistics and real-world anecdotes were countered with insults. When you can back up your beliefs with something other than hate, we may get somewhere. Until then, I’ll just be thankful that logic is prevailing and SROs are being reinstated.

You don’t have statistics and if you’ve seen 4 SROs disarm students you are delusion and need therapy.

Being ignorant is not an insult it’s a call to educate yourself.

If a farmer told me I was ignorant about farming it would be a correct statement not an insult and I’d listen Instead of talk.

SRO reinstatement is a.waste of money and a call to a psycho they need more fire power. Enjoy your future AR15 day.

Once again, you bring nothing but insults to the table. Your absurd comments regarding ignorance are highly ironic; you refuse to listen to somebody who has presented statistics (see link above) and true anecdotal evidence. 18 years in a high school? I’ve seen A LOT.

I have yet to see you present anything but denial. At this point, I recognize I’m arguing with someone incapable of having a logical discussion about school safety. (Actually, I figured that out already…)

I ousted the student and links to organizations that have a sole purpose of protecting the world from gun violence.

All you presented was uneducated teachers/students/parents with no background or knowledge of how to keep schools safe.

Do you have A real study that shows 1x an SRO stopped a gun from coming to school because they intercepted it from coming into the school? One?

This is the last time I’m responding because I’m tired of repeating myself. I posted pages of case studies earlier in this thread. Also, you are going to call teachers and others who work directly with students “uneducated”? Even if you meant educated specifically about student safety, you are *still* wrong. Teachers undergo regular training and work daily to create safe environments.

I suspect you are also the poster upthread who told me I am “delusional and need therapy” if I believe I’ve witnessed SROs take weapons from students. You don’t get to change reality. I’ve seen it multiple times, as have scores of other teachers. That, in a way, was also an education for me. I’ve seen SROs in action. This isn’t some simple theoretical exercise to me, which is why I get rather annoyed when people post unsupported claims and blanked statements.

This is all good and well but not of it really matters unless the GOP stops blocking common sense gun reform.

Agreed. Honestly you all are like obese patients after a heart attack requesting the best cardiac surgeon to perform your bypass. You wouldn't be in this predicament (SROs, CEOs, armed trachers???) If there weren't so many guns around. Prevention will stop most heart attacks,not a good cardiologist..

Sure, but we still have cardiologists for the times when prevention didn’t stop the heart attack.

Gun reform is clearly needed and is part of the prevention we need, but in a nation that has more guns than people we ALSO need security. That’s why the above conversation is necessary.

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The impact of SROs ir amed teachers is minimum. Reduction of the overall supply of and access to firearms is the only meaningful lever.

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Gun control has nothing to do with making MCPS safer. MCPS is doing nothing. Most parents wanted them to remove SRO's and police from the schools. They did.

How did the police do in Uvalde? Or Parkland?

Don’t get me wrong, I support having SROs in schools. I just think it is ridiculous to think they’d stop school shootings.

They didn't do well but that's not a justification to not have them. If they did their job they would have gone in, killed the killer and got those kids medical attention and that is the point.

If these incidents are representative, SROs will stand around, run away or arrest parents.

There have been SRO's who have also saved lives.

Neat. What percentage of the very, very long list of school shootings in the US since the 90s were stopped by SROs?

Hint: damn few.

Here’s a report with some statistics for you:
https://cops.usdoj.gov/RIC/Publications/cops-w0903-pub.pdf

It highlights 236 cases, of which 168 were adverted. It also contains twelve case studies of SRO-related events. On a personal level, I witnessed the SRO at my high school remove three knives and one gun from students, all taken without incident. He did a lot more than that, but those are the incidences I witnessed with my own eyes. The simple truth is there are many of us who have seen the value of SROs.

We all know the MoCo council pulled SROs without actually surveying the community. Instead, they listened to a small, yet vocal group. We also know that the principals were unanimous in wanting them to remain.

In almost every case in that truth the situation was diverted by a student, teacher, principal or behavioral specialist.

Having an armed guard at a school is the #1 reason a psycho thinks they need an AR15.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7887654/

SROs make schools less safe.

You are welcome to hate SROs, but you are also going to have to accept facts. If you actually look at that report, you’ll realize you are incorrect. As for being “diverted by a student,” I have personally witnessed how that actually happens… 4 times. Students don’t disarm their peers. Students tell adults, who get the SRO to do the disarming. If that’s what you mean by “divert,” then I think we would both have to agree SROs are still necessary.

Again… you may hate SROs all you want. I suspect the majority of MCPS is in support of them, but we won’t know until the BOE or the council decides to send out a survey. I doubt they will since they may not like the results.

I don’t hate SROs my family has many police officers, lawyers and judges. I know SROs never disarm a gunman, never… not once. They are ineffective window dressing.

They call for real police just like a teacher, student or principal can do. They are a useless step in the process.

You can love window dressing all you want but your ignorant anecdotes don’t mean SROs help with shootings. Gun control does.

My statistics and real-world anecdotes were countered with insults. When you can back up your beliefs with something other than hate, we may get somewhere. Until then, I’ll just be thankful that logic is prevailing and SROs are being reinstated.

You don’t have statistics and if you’ve seen 4 SROs disarm students you are delusion and need therapy.

Being ignorant is not an insult it’s a call to educate yourself.

If a farmer told me I was ignorant about farming it would be a correct statement not an insult and I’d listen Instead of talk.

SRO reinstatement is a.waste of money and a call to a psycho they need more fire power. Enjoy your future AR15 day.

Once again, you bring nothing but insults to the table. Your absurd comments regarding ignorance are highly ironic; you refuse to listen to somebody who has presented statistics (see link above) and true anecdotal evidence. 18 years in a high school? I’ve seen A LOT.

I have yet to see you present anything but denial. At this point, I recognize I’m arguing with someone incapable of having a logical discussion about school safety. (Actually, I figured that out already…)

I ousted the student and links to organizations that have a sole purpose of protecting the world from gun violence.

All you presented was uneducated teachers/students/parents with no background or knowledge of how to keep schools safe.

Do you have A real study that shows 1x an SRO stopped a gun from coming to school because they intercepted it from coming into the school? One?

This is the last time I’m responding because I’m tired of repeating myself. I posted pages of case studies earlier in this thread. Also, you are going to call teachers and others who work directly with students “uneducated”? Even if you meant educated specifically about student safety, you are *still* wrong. Teachers undergo regular training and work daily to create safe environments.

I suspect you are also the poster upthread who told me I am “delusional and need therapy” if I believe I’ve witnessed SROs take weapons from students. You don’t get to change reality. I’ve seen it multiple times, as have scores of other teachers. That, in a way, was also an education for me. I’ve seen SROs in action. This isn’t some simple theoretical exercise to me, which is why I get rather annoyed when people post unsupported claims and blanked statements.

I will repeat myself all day long. Teachers and students and parents are not educated on tactical methods and security measure to prevent violent crimes.

I work in security, my family is in law enforcement, etc.

You keep saying I hate cops I hate SROs so yes you are delusional and uneducated. Stick to what you know. SROs are not effective. Just like stop and frisk and 3 strikes youre out. All dreamed up by well meaning parents who were uneducated, wrong and had dangerous laws put in place.

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Anonymous wrote:Gun control

Gun control has nothing to do with making MCPS safer. MCPS is doing nothing. Most parents wanted them to remove SRO's and police from the schools. They did.

How did the police do in Uvalde? Or Parkland?

Don’t get me wrong, I support having SROs in schools. I just think it is ridiculous to think they’d stop school shootings.

They didn't do well but that's not a justification to not have them. If they did their job they would have gone in, killed the killer and got those kids medical attention and that is the point.

If these incidents are representative, SROs will stand around, run away or arrest parents.

There have been SRO's who have also saved lives.

Neat. What percentage of the very, very long list of school shootings in the US since the 90s were stopped by SROs?

Hint: damn few.

Here’s a report with some statistics for you:
https://cops.usdoj.gov/RIC/Publications/cops-w0903-pub.pdf

It highlights 236 cases, of which 168 were adverted. It also contains twelve case studies of SRO-related events. On a personal level, I witnessed the SRO at my high school remove three knives and one gun from students, all taken without incident. He did a lot more than that, but those are the incidences I witnessed with my own eyes. The simple truth is there are many of us who have seen the value of SROs.

We all know the MoCo council pulled SROs without actually surveying the community. Instead, they listened to a small, yet vocal group. We also know that the principals were unanimous in wanting them to remain.

In almost every case in that truth the situation was diverted by a student, teacher, principal or behavioral specialist.

Having an armed guard at a school is the #1 reason a psycho thinks they need an AR15.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7887654/

SROs make schools less safe.

You are welcome to hate SROs, but you are also going to have to accept facts. If you actually look at that report, you’ll realize you are incorrect. As for being “diverted by a student,” I have personally witnessed how that actually happens… 4 times. Students don’t disarm their peers. Students tell adults, who get the SRO to do the disarming. If that’s what you mean by “divert,” then I think we would both have to agree SROs are still necessary.

Again… you may hate SROs all you want. I suspect the majority of MCPS is in support of them, but we won’t know until the BOE or the council decides to send out a survey. I doubt they will since they may not like the results.

I don’t hate SROs my family has many police officers, lawyers and judges. I know SROs never disarm a gunman, never… not once. They are ineffective window dressing.

They call for real police just like a teacher, student or principal can do. They are a useless step in the process.

You can love window dressing all you want but your ignorant anecdotes don’t mean SROs help with shootings. Gun control does.

My statistics and real-world anecdotes were countered with insults. When you can back up your beliefs with something other than hate, we may get somewhere. Until then, I’ll just be thankful that logic is prevailing and SROs are being reinstated.

You don’t have statistics and if you’ve seen 4 SROs disarm students you are delusion and need therapy.

Being ignorant is not an insult it’s a call to educate yourself.

If a farmer told me I was ignorant about farming it would be a correct statement not an insult and I’d listen Instead of talk.

SRO reinstatement is a.waste of money and a call to a psycho they need more fire power. Enjoy your future AR15 day.

Once again, you bring nothing but insults to the table. Your absurd comments regarding ignorance are highly ironic; you refuse to listen to somebody who has presented statistics (see link above) and true anecdotal evidence. 18 years in a high school? I’ve seen A LOT.

I have yet to see you present anything but denial. At this point, I recognize I’m arguing with someone incapable of having a logical discussion about school safety. (Actually, I figured that out already…)

I ousted the student and links to organizations that have a sole purpose of protecting the world from gun violence.

All you presented was uneducated teachers/students/parents with no background or knowledge of how to keep schools safe.

Do you have A real study that shows 1x an SRO stopped a gun from coming to school because they intercepted it from coming into the school? One?

This is the last time I’m responding because I’m tired of repeating myself. I posted pages of case studies earlier in this thread. Also, you are going to call teachers and others who work directly with students “uneducated”? Even if you meant educated specifically about student safety, you are *still* wrong. Teachers undergo regular training and work daily to create safe environments.

I suspect you are also the poster upthread who told me I am “delusional and need therapy” if I believe I’ve witnessed SROs take weapons from students. You don’t get to change reality. I’ve seen it multiple times, as have scores of other teachers. That, in a way, was also an education for me. I’ve seen SROs in action. This isn’t some simple theoretical exercise to me, which is why I get rather annoyed when people post unsupported claims and blanked statements.

I will repeat myself all day long. Teachers and students and parents are not educated on tactical methods and security measure to prevent violent crimes.

I work in security, my family is in law enforcement, etc.

You keep saying I hate cops I hate SROs so yes you are delusional and uneducated. Stick to what you know. SROs are not effective. Just like stop and frisk and 3 strikes youre out. All dreamed up by well meaning parents who were uneducated, wrong and had dangerous laws put in place.

I said I wouldn’t post again, and here I am. Sigh.

You *still* haven’t anything productive. You merely throw insults. When you can post FACTS and PROOF rather than a vague “SROs are not effective,” then we can get somewhere. Right now, I’ve seen more validated proof in favor of SROs on this thread than not. You can throw “uneducated” around all you want. Right now, the “uneducated” have provided far better arguments than you have.

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Anonymous wrote:Serious question: do MCPS parents only care about mass shootings? Or all shootings? I am really shocked at how little outrage there is about Magruder, or Jai'lyn Jones being murdered by a fellow Northwest student.

Because mark my words, if we don't get our act together, it's only a matter of time before another school shooting or serious stabbing.

+1 million

Where were the marches then? Where was the parental outrage when a kid was raped in the bathroom at a high school?

That was not a rape.

But where was the outrage when the white male former cop turned security guard raped the RM girl and the judge let him out on bond to rape her again and gave him visitation with his step daughter.

????!!!???

What does race have to do with anything but stepparents generally legally don't get visitation. This speaks volumes to our parenting and what's important. Its clearly not that important to parents.