What is MCPS doing to make schools safer?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh more facts - I read through the other link from a PP with the 12 case studies of where SROs were helpful in preventing a shooting incident. Of those 12 studies, which the authors apparently found to be the best 12 examples they could find, only 3 of them had the SRO in any sort of physical role during the event, such as defending someone or apprehending a suspect. The others were mostly cited as being involved because students told them about planned attacks, and they then told other law enforcement and helped with the investigation. Reading the narratives, administrators, custodial staff, and students were at least as helpful in preventing tragedy during almost every incident as the SRO.

So can I ask you something? Are you ok with invalidating the opinions of all 25 high school principals of MCPS because of a study or 2 that aren't relevant to MCPS? How about the data that points to the fact that only 3 percent of arrests made at MCPS schools when there were SROs were initiated by SROs?

In general I'm usually ok with weighing evidence over opinion, yeah. I've found like four studies so far. They're not MCPS specific, true, is there something unique about our SROs that I don't know about? I have no idea what data you're referring to about arrests so if you could share it I could tell you whether it seems compelling.

[Anonymous]

What's it going to take for adults to take school violence more seriously? Do we need a serious incident here?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A teacher with a 4 year degree and trained to deal with children is worried they are not “trained” to counsel children but support cops with no 4 year degree and <2 weeks of “training” counseling and mentoring children. SMFH

I have a Masters plus 39 credits and almost 2 decades of teaching experience. My expertise is in my subject matter, as it should be. It may surprise you to find out that an SRO still has more training than I do in social / emotional needs. Again… we all have our roles to play. You can “SMFH” all you want, but I would prefer it if you constructively contribute to the conversation.

You have no idea how cops are trained and SROs are not trained in the emotional/social needs of children.

I get it, your H is a cop, but you have no idea what SROs are trained to do.

And it's all there for the public to see. She just chooses to be ignorant about it.

I’ve seen “ignorant” thrown around on this thread a couple of times. It appears to be used as a general “I don’t like you and your argument” insult rather than a reference to its actual definition, which is to have a lack of awareness or knowledge. I’ve already posted above with enough information to demonstrate my educated understanding of the topic. Once again: people are trying to have a reasoned, respectful discussion. Please try to contribute.

Yes, I’m quite aware of an SRO’s responsibilities. Again… almost 2 decades of working closely with them will do that. And you’re correct… there is readily available information online. I’ve read it before (of course), but perhaps you would like to see some, as well:

https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/pol/Resources/Files/SRO/MCPD-SRO-FAQ.pdf

This outlines the training. Before you counter with “but they only get 40 hours in school climate / disability / bias training,” understand that’s far more than I’ve had as a teacher. (I’ve also posted above that teachers need more training, too.)

[Anonymous]

I found the 3% arrests stat myself in here: https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/pol/Resources/Files/SRO/MCPD-SRO-FAQ.pdf

SRO Initiated
In the 2019-2020 School Year, the SROs charged 269 students, a combination of physical and paper arrests. A School Resource Officers primary focus is to maintain a safe learning
environment for all and act as a bridge to establish positive relations with students within the school system. If an SRO observes illegal behavior, it is incumbent to immediately address the situation, especially violent or dangerous actions. It is only a small percentage of total arrests by SROs that were initiated by the SRO. In fact, of the 269 incidents, only nine were selfinitiated by the SROs themselves. That is 3% of all the arrests made by SROs in the 2019-2020 School Year.

School Initiated
A vast majority of total arrests made by SROs were initiated by MCPS administrators, MCPS Security staff, MCPS teachers, or parents. This means the SRO was notified by
administrators, parents, and staff that they had a student detained in the office for an offense, MCPD School Resource Officer Program or they needed the SRO to assist with a disturbance or other emergency. During the 2019-2020 School Year, over 97% of all enforcement action by SROs were initiated by MCPS. This calculates to 260 of the 269 total arrests for the school year. MCPD is committed to working with MCPS on revising procedures and policies to lessen the impact of arrests, particularly those incidents of a minor nature, whenever possible.

And so now that I know what that stat means, I can say that a) yes, of course a single human being in a school of thousands of kids wouldn't be a direct witness to most incidents and b) the question is, what would MCPS have done in those 97% of cases if an SRO hadn't been present? In what percentage of cases would they have called the police vs handled the incident without involving the criminal justice system?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I found the 3% arrests stat myself in here: https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/pol/Resources/Files/SRO/MCPD-SRO-FAQ.pdf

SRO Initiated
In the 2019-2020 School Year, the SROs charged 269 students, a combination of physical and paper arrests. A School Resource Officers primary focus is to maintain a safe learning
environment for all and act as a bridge to establish positive relations with students within the school system. If an SRO observes illegal behavior, it is incumbent to immediately address the situation, especially violent or dangerous actions. It is only a small percentage of total arrests by SROs that were initiated by the SRO. In fact, of the 269 incidents, only nine were selfinitiated by the SROs themselves. That is 3% of all the arrests made by SROs in the 2019-2020 School Year.

School Initiated
A vast majority of total arrests made by SROs were initiated by MCPS administrators, MCPS Security staff, MCPS teachers, or parents. This means the SRO was notified by
administrators, parents, and staff that they had a student detained in the office for an offense, MCPD School Resource Officer Program or they needed the SRO to assist with a disturbance or other emergency. During the 2019-2020 School Year, over 97% of all enforcement action by SROs were initiated by MCPS. This calculates to 260 of the 269 total arrests for the school year. MCPD is committed to working with MCPS on revising procedures and policies to lessen the impact of arrests, particularly those incidents of a minor nature, whenever possible.

And so now that I know what that stat means, I can say that a) yes, of course a single human being in a school of thousands of kids wouldn't be a direct witness to most incidents and b) the question is, what would MCPS have done in those 97% of cases if an SRO hadn't been present? In what percentage of cases would they have called the police vs handled the incident without involving the criminal justice system?

What are the SROs like at Shawshank High?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A teacher with a 4 year degree and trained to deal with children is worried they are not “trained” to counsel children but support cops with no 4 year degree and <2 weeks of “training” counseling and mentoring children. SMFH

I have a Masters plus 39 credits and almost 2 decades of teaching experience. My expertise is in my subject matter, as it should be. It may surprise you to find out that an SRO still has more training than I do in social / emotional needs. Again… we all have our roles to play. You can “SMFH” all you want, but I would prefer it if you constructively contribute to the conversation.

You have no idea how cops are trained and SROs are not trained in the emotional/social needs of children.

I get it, your H is a cop, but you have no idea what SROs are trained to do.

And it's all there for the public to see. She just chooses to be ignorant about it.

I’ve seen “ignorant” thrown around on this thread a couple of times. It appears to be used as a general “I don’t like you and your argument” insult rather than a reference to its actual definition, which is to have a lack of awareness or knowledge. I’ve already posted above with enough information to demonstrate my educated understanding of the topic. Once again: people are trying to have a reasoned, respectful discussion. Please try to contribute.

Yes, I’m quite aware of an SRO’s responsibilities. Again… almost 2 decades of working closely with them will do that. And you’re correct… there is readily available information online. I’ve read it before (of course), but perhaps you would like to see some, as well:

https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/pol/Resources/Files/SRO/MCPD-SRO-FAQ.pdf

This outlines the training. Before you counter with “but they only get 40 hours in school climate / disability / bias training,” understand that’s far more than I’ve had as a teacher. (I’ve also posted above that teachers need more training, too.)

I see uneducated meaning you and others lack the education on securing schools and creating a safe community. You admit you are not as educated as SROs on bias, climate, etc. but you don’t see you are not educated about school safety, that’s odd.

If you work with SROs when they are at the police station you would see a very different reality. Sure they put a nice front to teachers but the reality is much different.

[Anonymous]

Holy Camole they use the DARE program? Hasn’t that been show to be very unsuccessful? Wow!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A teacher with a 4 year degree and trained to deal with children is worried they are not “trained” to counsel children but support cops with no 4 year degree and <2 weeks of “training” counseling and mentoring children. SMFH

I have a Masters plus 39 credits and almost 2 decades of teaching experience. My expertise is in my subject matter, as it should be. It may surprise you to find out that an SRO still has more training than I do in social / emotional needs. Again… we all have our roles to play. You can “SMFH” all you want, but I would prefer it if you constructively contribute to the conversation.

You have no idea how cops are trained and SROs are not trained in the emotional/social needs of children.

I get it, your H is a cop, but you have no idea what SROs are trained to do.

And it's all there for the public to see. She just chooses to be ignorant about it.

I’ve seen “ignorant” thrown around on this thread a couple of times. It appears to be used as a general “I don’t like you and your argument” insult rather than a reference to its actual definition, which is to have a lack of awareness or knowledge. I’ve already posted above with enough information to demonstrate my educated understanding of the topic. Once again: people are trying to have a reasoned, respectful discussion. Please try to contribute.

Yes, I’m quite aware of an SRO’s responsibilities. Again… almost 2 decades of working closely with them will do that. And you’re correct… there is readily available information online. I’ve read it before (of course), but perhaps you would like to see some, as well:

https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/pol/Resources/Files/SRO/MCPD-SRO-FAQ.pdf

This outlines the training. Before you counter with “but they only get 40 hours in school climate / disability / bias training,” understand that’s far more than I’ve had as a teacher. (I’ve also posted above that teachers need more training, too.)

I see uneducated meaning you and others lack the education on securing schools and creating a safe community. You admit you are not as educated as SROs on bias, climate, etc. but you don’t see you are not educated about school safety, that’s odd.

If you work with SROs when they are at the police station you would see a very different reality. Sure they put a nice front to teachers but the reality is much different.

I’ll ask the obvious: since you claim nobody posting has the requisite education to comment on SROs, I would like to know how you have established authority on this subject. You claim SROs are different at the police station. What is your evidence? What makes you more educated than anybody else on this thread? (I’m curious… if I agreed with you that SROs are terrible, would I automatically earn the authority to speak on this subject?)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A teacher with a 4 year degree and trained to deal with children is worried they are not “trained” to counsel children but support cops with no 4 year degree and <2 weeks of “training” counseling and mentoring children. SMFH

I have a Masters plus 39 credits and almost 2 decades of teaching experience. My expertise is in my subject matter, as it should be. It may surprise you to find out that an SRO still has more training than I do in social / emotional needs. Again… we all have our roles to play. You can “SMFH” all you want, but I would prefer it if you constructively contribute to the conversation.

You have no idea how cops are trained and SROs are not trained in the emotional/social needs of children.

I get it, your H is a cop, but you have no idea what SROs are trained to do.

And it's all there for the public to see. She just chooses to be ignorant about it.

I’ve seen “ignorant” thrown around on this thread a couple of times. It appears to be used as a general “I don’t like you and your argument” insult rather than a reference to its actual definition, which is to have a lack of awareness or knowledge. I’ve already posted above with enough information to demonstrate my educated understanding of the topic. Once again: people are trying to have a reasoned, respectful discussion. Please try to contribute.

Yes, I’m quite aware of an SRO’s responsibilities. Again… almost 2 decades of working closely with them will do that. And you’re correct… there is readily available information online. I’ve read it before (of course), but perhaps you would like to see some, as well:

https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/pol/Resources/Files/SRO/MCPD-SRO-FAQ.pdf

This outlines the training. Before you counter with “but they only get 40 hours in school climate / disability / bias training,” understand that’s far more than I’ve had as a teacher. (I’ve also posted above that teachers need more training, too.)

I see uneducated meaning you and others lack the education on securing schools and creating a safe community. You admit you are not as educated as SROs on bias, climate, etc. but you don’t see you are not educated about school safety, that’s odd.

If you work with SROs when they are at the police station you would see a very different reality. Sure they put a nice front to teachers but the reality is much different.

I’ll ask the obvious: since you claim nobody posting has the requisite education to comment on SROs, I would like to know how you have established authority on this subject. You claim SROs are different at the police station. What is your evidence? What makes you more educated than anybody else on this thread? (I’m curious… if I agreed with you that SROs are terrible, would I automatically earn the authority to speak on this subject?)

I did not say nobody, you are taking this very personally. I know your H is a cop I suspect he is an SRO. I only pointed out certain posts that were obviously based on anecdotes and emotion instead of an education in public safety.

My family has worked in public safety in many ways. NYPD, moco police, mpd, FEMA, physical security etc

Many retired cops become physical security specialists for large events, schools and hospitals and sadly synagogues and churches. My family runs a security company.

My mom and her side of the family were teachers/principals.

My h was a cop, has a masters in abnormal Psychology with specialities in drug abuse, rape and child abuse. He also has expertise is forensics for mass casualties, expert witness, etc

I worked with my family security company but have more of an iT slant in public safety, FEMA, cybersecurity, physical security, helped create an emergency response program, etc.

My brother was a lawyer, a professor in criminology , public defender, now he is a community leader (in his retirement), started a mental health response program in another city. He was involved in Maas shootings and literally walked the Columbine campus after the shooting. He also has some high level understanding of the constitution in ways I could never understand

My sister is a lawyer, judge, she works at “think tanks” for preventing poverty and other obvious things that lead to crime like lack of housing, food, and healthcare, she has a speciality in early intervention education.

I could go on.

The gift of fear would be a book we read for our family book club.

We live and breath this stuff we are fun at a Party.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A teacher with a 4 year degree and trained to deal with children is worried they are not “trained” to counsel children but support cops with no 4 year degree and <2 weeks of “training” counseling and mentoring children. SMFH

I have a Masters plus 39 credits and almost 2 decades of teaching experience. My expertise is in my subject matter, as it should be. It may surprise you to find out that an SRO still has more training than I do in social / emotional needs. Again… we all have our roles to play. You can “SMFH” all you want, but I would prefer it if you constructively contribute to the conversation.

You have no idea how cops are trained and SROs are not trained in the emotional/social needs of children.

I get it, your H is a cop, but you have no idea what SROs are trained to do.

And it's all there for the public to see. She just chooses to be ignorant about it.

I’ve seen “ignorant” thrown around on this thread a couple of times. It appears to be used as a general “I don’t like you and your argument” insult rather than a reference to its actual definition, which is to have a lack of awareness or knowledge. I’ve already posted above with enough information to demonstrate my educated understanding of the topic. Once again: people are trying to have a reasoned, respectful discussion. Please try to contribute.

Yes, I’m quite aware of an SRO’s responsibilities. Again… almost 2 decades of working closely with them will do that. And you’re correct… there is readily available information online. I’ve read it before (of course), but perhaps you would like to see some, as well:

https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/pol/Resources/Files/SRO/MCPD-SRO-FAQ.pdf

This outlines the training. Before you counter with “but they only get 40 hours in school climate / disability / bias training,” understand that’s far more than I’ve had as a teacher. (I’ve also posted above that teachers need more training, too.)

I see uneducated meaning you and others lack the education on securing schools and creating a safe community. You admit you are not as educated as SROs on bias, climate, etc. but you don’t see you are not educated about school safety, that’s odd.

If you work with SROs when they are at the police station you would see a very different reality. Sure they put a nice front to teachers but the reality is much different.

I’ll ask the obvious: since you claim nobody posting has the requisite education to comment on SROs, I would like to know how you have established authority on this subject. You claim SROs are different at the police station. What is your evidence? What makes you more educated than anybody else on this thread? (I’m curious… if I agreed with you that SROs are terrible, would I automatically earn the authority to speak on this subject?)

I did not say nobody, you are taking this very personally. I know your H is a cop I suspect he is an SRO. I only pointed out certain posts that were obviously based on anecdotes and emotion instead of an education in public safety.

My family has worked in public safety in many ways. NYPD, moco police, mpd, FEMA, physical security etc

Many retired cops become physical security specialists for large events, schools and hospitals and sadly synagogues and churches. My family runs a security company.

My mom and her side of the family were teachers/principals.

My h was a cop, has a masters in abnormal Psychology with specialities in drug abuse, rape and child abuse. He also has expertise is forensics for mass casualties, expert witness, etc

I worked with my family security company but have more of an iT slant in public safety, FEMA, cybersecurity, physical security, helped create an emergency response program, etc.

My brother was a lawyer, a professor in criminology , public defender, now he is a community leader (in his retirement), started a mental health response program in another city. He was involved in Maas shootings and literally walked the Columbine campus after the shooting. He also has some high level understanding of the constitution in ways I could never understand

My sister is a lawyer, judge, she works at “think tanks” for preventing poverty and other obvious things that lead to crime like lack of housing, food, and healthcare, she has a speciality in early intervention education.

I could go on.

The gift of fear would be a book we read for our family book club.

We live and breath this stuff we are fun at a Party.

You make zero sense. Do you have kids in mcps!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A teacher with a 4 year degree and trained to deal with children is worried they are not “trained” to counsel children but support cops with no 4 year degree and <2 weeks of “training” counseling and mentoring children. SMFH

I have a Masters plus 39 credits and almost 2 decades of teaching experience. My expertise is in my subject matter, as it should be. It may surprise you to find out that an SRO still has more training than I do in social / emotional needs. Again… we all have our roles to play. You can “SMFH” all you want, but I would prefer it if you constructively contribute to the conversation.

You have no idea how cops are trained and SROs are not trained in the emotional/social needs of children.

I get it, your H is a cop, but you have no idea what SROs are trained to do.

And it's all there for the public to see. She just chooses to be ignorant about it.

I’ve seen “ignorant” thrown around on this thread a couple of times. It appears to be used as a general “I don’t like you and your argument” insult rather than a reference to its actual definition, which is to have a lack of awareness or knowledge. I’ve already posted above with enough information to demonstrate my educated understanding of the topic. Once again: people are trying to have a reasoned, respectful discussion. Please try to contribute.

Yes, I’m quite aware of an SRO’s responsibilities. Again… almost 2 decades of working closely with them will do that. And you’re correct… there is readily available information online. I’ve read it before (of course), but perhaps you would like to see some, as well:

https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/pol/Resources/Files/SRO/MCPD-SRO-FAQ.pdf

This outlines the training. Before you counter with “but they only get 40 hours in school climate / disability / bias training,” understand that’s far more than I’ve had as a teacher. (I’ve also posted above that teachers need more training, too.)

I see uneducated meaning you and others lack the education on securing schools and creating a safe community. You admit you are not as educated as SROs on bias, climate, etc. but you don’t see you are not educated about school safety, that’s odd.

If you work with SROs when they are at the police station you would see a very different reality. Sure they put a nice front to teachers but the reality is much different.

I’ll ask the obvious: since you claim nobody posting has the requisite education to comment on SROs, I would like to know how you have established authority on this subject. You claim SROs are different at the police station. What is your evidence? What makes you more educated than anybody else on this thread? (I’m curious… if I agreed with you that SROs are terrible, would I automatically earn the authority to speak on this subject?)

I did not say nobody, you are taking this very personally. I know your H is a cop I suspect he is an SRO. I only pointed out certain posts that were obviously based on anecdotes and emotion instead of an education in public safety.

My family has worked in public safety in many ways. NYPD, moco police, mpd, FEMA, physical security etc

Many retired cops become physical security specialists for large events, schools and hospitals and sadly synagogues and churches. My family runs a security company.

My mom and her side of the family were teachers/principals.

My h was a cop, has a masters in abnormal Psychology with specialities in drug abuse, rape and child abuse. He also has expertise is forensics for mass casualties, expert witness, etc

I worked with my family security company but have more of an iT slant in public safety, FEMA, cybersecurity, physical security, helped create an emergency response program, etc.

My brother was a lawyer, a professor in criminology , public defender, now he is a community leader (in his retirement), started a mental health response program in another city. He was involved in Maas shootings and literally walked the Columbine campus after the shooting. He also has some high level understanding of the constitution in ways I could never understand

My sister is a lawyer, judge, she works at “think tanks” for preventing poverty and other obvious things that lead to crime like lack of housing, food, and healthcare, she has a speciality in early intervention education.

I could go on.

The gift of fear would be a book we read for our family book club.

We live and breath this stuff we are fun at a Party.

You make zero sense. Do you have kids in mcps!

I read that in Uvalde some of the kids were shot by the cops even. Guns definitely don't make us safer and arming teachers as the Republicans have often suggested seems like an even worse idea.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A teacher with a 4 year degree and trained to deal with children is worried they are not “trained” to counsel children but support cops with no 4 year degree and <2 weeks of “training” counseling and mentoring children. SMFH

I have a Masters plus 39 credits and almost 2 decades of teaching experience. My expertise is in my subject matter, as it should be. It may surprise you to find out that an SRO still has more training than I do in social / emotional needs. Again… we all have our roles to play. You can “SMFH” all you want, but I would prefer it if you constructively contribute to the conversation.

You have no idea how cops are trained and SROs are not trained in the emotional/social needs of children.

I get it, your H is a cop, but you have no idea what SROs are trained to do.

And it's all there for the public to see. She just chooses to be ignorant about it.

I’ve seen “ignorant” thrown around on this thread a couple of times. It appears to be used as a general “I don’t like you and your argument” insult rather than a reference to its actual definition, which is to have a lack of awareness or knowledge. I’ve already posted above with enough information to demonstrate my educated understanding of the topic. Once again: people are trying to have a reasoned, respectful discussion. Please try to contribute.

Yes, I’m quite aware of an SRO’s responsibilities. Again… almost 2 decades of working closely with them will do that. And you’re correct… there is readily available information online. I’ve read it before (of course), but perhaps you would like to see some, as well:

https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/pol/Resources/Files/SRO/MCPD-SRO-FAQ.pdf

This outlines the training. Before you counter with “but they only get 40 hours in school climate / disability / bias training,” understand that’s far more than I’ve had as a teacher. (I’ve also posted above that teachers need more training, too.)

I see uneducated meaning you and others lack the education on securing schools and creating a safe community. You admit you are not as educated as SROs on bias, climate, etc. but you don’t see you are not educated about school safety, that’s odd.

If you work with SROs when they are at the police station you would see a very different reality. Sure they put a nice front to teachers but the reality is much different.

I’ll ask the obvious: since you claim nobody posting has the requisite education to comment on SROs, I would like to know how you have established authority on this subject. You claim SROs are different at the police station. What is your evidence? What makes you more educated than anybody else on this thread? (I’m curious… if I agreed with you that SROs are terrible, would I automatically earn the authority to speak on this subject?)

I did not say nobody, you are taking this very personally. I know your H is a cop I suspect he is an SRO. I only pointed out certain posts that were obviously based on anecdotes and emotion instead of an education in public safety.

My family has worked in public safety in many ways. NYPD, moco police, mpd, FEMA, physical security etc

Many retired cops become physical security specialists for large events, schools and hospitals and sadly synagogues and churches. My family runs a security company.

My mom and her side of the family were teachers/principals.

My h was a cop, has a masters in abnormal Psychology with specialities in drug abuse, rape and child abuse. He also has expertise is forensics for mass casualties, expert witness, etc

I worked with my family security company but have more of an iT slant in public safety, FEMA, cybersecurity, physical security, helped create an emergency response program, etc.

My brother was a lawyer, a professor in criminology , public defender, now he is a community leader (in his retirement), started a mental health response program in another city. He was involved in Maas shootings and literally walked the Columbine campus after the shooting. He also has some high level understanding of the constitution in ways I could never understand

My sister is a lawyer, judge, she works at “think tanks” for preventing poverty and other obvious things that lead to crime like lack of housing, food, and healthcare, she has a speciality in early intervention education.

I could go on.

The gift of fear would be a book we read for our family book club.

We live and breath this stuff we are fun at a Party.

You make zero sense. Do you have kids in mcps!

I read that in Uvalde some of the kids were shot by the cops even. Guns definitely don't make us safer and arming teachers as the Republicans have often suggested seems like an even worse idea.

source?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A teacher with a 4 year degree and trained to deal with children is worried they are not “trained” to counsel children but support cops with no 4 year degree and <2 weeks of “training” counseling and mentoring children. SMFH

I have a Masters plus 39 credits and almost 2 decades of teaching experience. My expertise is in my subject matter, as it should be. It may surprise you to find out that an SRO still has more training than I do in social / emotional needs. Again… we all have our roles to play. You can “SMFH” all you want, but I would prefer it if you constructively contribute to the conversation.

You have no idea how cops are trained and SROs are not trained in the emotional/social needs of children.

I get it, your H is a cop, but you have no idea what SROs are trained to do.

And it's all there for the public to see. She just chooses to be ignorant about it.

You point to the 40 hours but you don’t know all the other training that’s not on the marketing material.

Please do research on DARE.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A teacher with a 4 year degree and trained to deal with children is worried they are not “trained” to counsel children but support cops with no 4 year degree and <2 weeks of “training” counseling and mentoring children. SMFH

I have a Masters plus 39 credits and almost 2 decades of teaching experience. My expertise is in my subject matter, as it should be. It may surprise you to find out that an SRO still has more training than I do in social / emotional needs. Again… we all have our roles to play. You can “SMFH” all you want, but I would prefer it if you constructively contribute to the conversation.

You have no idea how cops are trained and SROs are not trained in the emotional/social needs of children.

I get it, your H is a cop, but you have no idea what SROs are trained to do.

And it's all there for the public to see. She just chooses to be ignorant about it.

I’ve seen “ignorant” thrown around on this thread a couple of times. It appears to be used as a general “I don’t like you and your argument” insult rather than a reference to its actual definition, which is to have a lack of awareness or knowledge. I’ve already posted above with enough information to demonstrate my educated understanding of the topic. Once again: people are trying to have a reasoned, respectful discussion. Please try to contribute.

Yes, I’m quite aware of an SRO’s responsibilities. Again… almost 2 decades of working closely with them will do that. And you’re correct… there is readily available information online. I’ve read it before (of course), but perhaps you would like to see some, as well:

https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/pol/Resources/Files/SRO/MCPD-SRO-FAQ.pdf

This outlines the training. Before you counter with “but they only get 40 hours in school climate / disability / bias training,” understand that’s far more than I’ve had as a teacher. (I’ve also posted above that teachers need more training, too.)

I see uneducated meaning you and others lack the education on securing schools and creating a safe community. You admit you are not as educated as SROs on bias, climate, etc. but you don’t see you are not educated about school safety, that’s odd.

If you work with SROs when they are at the police station you would see a very different reality. Sure they put a nice front to teachers but the reality is much different.

I’ll ask the obvious: since you claim nobody posting has the requisite education to comment on SROs, I would like to know how you have established authority on this subject. You claim SROs are different at the police station. What is your evidence? What makes you more educated than anybody else on this thread? (I’m curious… if I agreed with you that SROs are terrible, would I automatically earn the authority to speak on this subject?)

I did not say nobody, you are taking this very personally. I know your H is a cop I suspect he is an SRO. I only pointed out certain posts that were obviously based on anecdotes and emotion instead of an education in public safety.

My family has worked in public safety in many ways. NYPD, moco police, mpd, FEMA, physical security etc

Many retired cops become physical security specialists for large events, schools and hospitals and sadly synagogues and churches. My family runs a security company.

My mom and her side of the family were teachers/principals.

My h was a cop, has a masters in abnormal Psychology with specialities in drug abuse, rape and child abuse. He also has expertise is forensics for mass casualties, expert witness, etc

I worked with my family security company but have more of an iT slant in public safety, FEMA, cybersecurity, physical security, helped create an emergency response program, etc.

My brother was a lawyer, a professor in criminology , public defender, now he is a community leader (in his retirement), started a mental health response program in another city. He was involved in Maas shootings and literally walked the Columbine campus after the shooting. He also has some high level understanding of the constitution in ways I could never understand

My sister is a lawyer, judge, she works at “think tanks” for preventing poverty and other obvious things that lead to crime like lack of housing, food, and healthcare, she has a speciality in early intervention education.

I could go on.

The gift of fear would be a book we read for our family book club.

We live and breath this stuff we are fun at a Party.

You make zero sense. Do you have kids in mcps!

I read that in Uvalde some of the kids were shot by the cops even. Guns definitely don't make us safer and arming teachers as the Republicans have often suggested seems like an even worse idea.

Yes. They are a complete failure and embarrassment to all good police. A small group of good cops entered the building as citizens and were hero’s.

The reality is if cops are going to shoot at gunmen, they will hit kids and teachers.

The only way to stop guns in schools is to stop guns outside of schools. Not all cops are Republicans and if you look at their affiliation by education level you will see more Democrats with 4+ years. Also, while most cops will vote Republican to protect their right to kill without being held responsible, most support gun control laws.

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Random testing and masks would help make schools safer!