Your daily reminder that expecting parents to teach their kids at home is super inequitable

[Anonymous]

This thread is a cesspool.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As a black parent, I don't have the luxury of expecting the school to do the heavy lifting in terms of core math and ELA. Maybe little white kids can survive entering K with zero literacy or numeracy skills, but my little black boys wouldn't be taken seriously, nor would I as a responsible parent. Don't talk to be about "equity" when some of you want the "privilege" of sending your kids to school unprepared, notwithstanding the fact that you have the resources to do so.

No, the school shouldn't expect much from parents, but you should expect more from yourselves.

Fascinating take given that while the U.S. does have systemic racism, it is almost entirely aimed at whites.

Your children will have government and private corporate handouts and quotas available regardless of their talent. My white kids won't. You don't want equality, you want even more special privileges than you already have.

If you want to have a discussion on "handouts" and preferences, you might be surprised by my "take" on those. FWIW, I view the scheme to which you allude as sops to a narrow slice of hyper-privileged black folks that allow corporations to check off the DEI/Anti-racist box, while doing absolutely nothing for the broad swath of regular black folks, which is the strata I come from. Such schemes also fuel the sort of resentment that people like you harbor towards my boys, so that's another thing for me to worry about, and all the more reason for me to ensure that my boys stay years ahead of their peers, lest people like you question their "talent." So yeah, it would be crazy for me -- as a black parent of ability -- to refrain from aggressively supplementing my boys' education at home.

But feel free to assume what I "want" and impute particular views to me based on my race. Where would that come from?

[Anonymous]

John McWhorter is so on this thread.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:John McWhorter is so on this thread.

I'm (the black) PP. I don't agree with everything he has to say on matters of race, but he makes a lot of damn sense in the main.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This thread is a cesspool.

Yes, that is what it is when a black parent is attacked for supplementing their kids' education instead of relying on the school to do it all. Just proves "we" can't win with some folks.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:John McWhorter is so on this thread.

I'm (the black) PP. I don't agree with everything he has to say on matters of race, but he makes a lot of damn sense in the main.

Oh, I really appreciate McWhorter's writings. I also just fantasize about famous people participating in these threads because I'm bored.

[Anonymous]

I feel like the point was missed here. Sure, children with involved parents will always have advantages. Socially, educationally, etc. But no parent should have to teach their child basic reading, writing, and arithmetic. That is in fact the job of the school. We should ALL want EVERY child to learn those basic things at school regardless of their parents' level of engagement at home.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is directed towards posters who retort “teach them yourselves!” when parents complain that their school doesn’t teach phonics, handwriting, spelling, grammar, multiplication tables, etc.

The *only* thing parents should be responsible for is ensuring their kids are well fed and rested, and mentally and physically ready to learn at school. If there are not enough hours in the school day to do everything, teachers should be sending explicit instructions to the parents about what to do at home (eg please have your child drill these times tables until they’ve memorized them). This is also known as “homework”.

No. Your entire post is the height of parental laziness.

Lol, no. I am the least lazy parent. I take my kids to museums, hikes, volunteer activities, cultural activities. Play with them outside a lot. I also have the time to fill in curriculum gaps if I needed to (though I send to private so I don’t have to). However, many parents are time-poor or lack the education and resources themselves to recognize and fill in curriculum gaps. They shouldn’t have to. Their kids SHOULD be educated well enough at school so that they don’t have to.

Oh, you take them to MUSEUMS! ROFL. Parent of the Year over here.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I strongly disagree.

What about my husband's WAR REFUGEE parents who came to their host country with nothing, worked hard, and found time to teach their 4 children, all of whom became doctors, bankers or engineers?

We are not wealthy, and until recently didn't have the resources to outsource my son's special needs therapies, executive coaching and tutoring he has needed since he was little. We did 90% of the work ourselves until last year when we put our hard-earned money into great tutors for him, to get him to the next level.

There will always be unfit parents who are not able to parent, absent parents who are not there to help, and all kinds of situations where children are not getting what they need from their families, or lack thereof.

It does NOT mean that the rest of us, rich or poor, should purposefully refrain from helping our children in any way we can.

Schools will provide what governments and society decide they should pay for. It may not be enough for some children. If you, the loving parent, can't make up the difference, nobody will pick up the slack, OP.

OP didn’t say we should refrain from teaching our children at home. She is only implying that it’s an inequitable approach to education for schools to RELY on parents to teach things.

Basically, schools need to step it up!

Neat. Well, that’s not going to happen, so do your jobs as the parents who are 100% responsible for everything involving the child you chose to create, Mama and Papa Bear.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Absolutely hilarious how many posters are falling all over themselves to indignantly insist they FULLY APPROVE of sh*tty public education because they’re good mommies who don’t even need it. Good job ladies, here’s your cookie for doing the job your tax dollars should be doing, now please stop yelling angrily at anyone who suggests you should expect more from your public institutions.

I agree, OP. Just one of the many ways public school here is totally broken.

+1

These are the same people in the 7th grade reading thread in Teens who are telling public school parents they are lying about their kids not being assigned books in school. Totally obnoxious and entitled.

No. These are the sort of people that would have introduced their kids to canonical literature long before middle school, precisely because they/we understand that public schools don’t make the effort. Why?… because the schools can’t expect much from kids due to deficient supports at home and so they assign only little snippets out of a sense of “equity.” They know most of the kids won’t (or can’t) read an entire novel and they certainly can’t expect anyone in the home to encourage the kid to, much less engage them on the material. We all suffer when some/many families fail to do their part.

you already got your cookie, you can go away now!

We’re not going away. You’re not the board monitor. Take a seat.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I will gladly supplement at home, I’m already doing to for both of my kids. However school is so incredibly long, it takes up the entire day, my kids don’t get home until 4:20 and they have a few after school activities, then we do our extra learning and no time left! School should be 6 hours tops, kindergarten even shorter 4-5 hours a day. I don’t need all the extras they fit into the day, honestly there is so much wasted time in school, incredible.

Good luck with that. Public school parents are s reaming for days to be longer, so they can avail themselves of more babysitting.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As a black parent, I don't have the luxury of expecting the school to do the heavy lifting in terms of core math and ELA. Maybe little white kids can survive entering K with zero literacy or numeracy skills, but my little black boys wouldn't be taken seriously, nor would I as a responsible parent. Don't talk to be about "equity" when some of you want the "privilege" of sending your kids to school unprepared, notwithstanding the fact that you have the resources to do so.

No, the school shouldn't expect much from parents, but you should expect more from yourselves.

Fascinating take given that while the U.S. does have systemic racism, it is almost entirely aimed at whites.

Your children will have government and private corporate handouts and quotas available regardless of their talent. My white kids won't. You don't want equality, you want even more special privileges than you already have.

HAHAHAHAHAHA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a black parent, I don't have the luxury of expecting the school to do the heavy lifting in terms of core math and ELA. Maybe little white kids can survive entering K with zero literacy or numeracy skills, but my little black boys wouldn't be taken seriously, nor would I as a responsible parent. Don't talk to be about "equity" when some of you want the "privilege" of sending your kids to school unprepared, notwithstanding the fact that you have the resources to do so.

No, the school shouldn't expect much from parents, but you should expect more from yourselves.

Fascinating take given that while the U.S. does have systemic racism, it is almost entirely aimed at whites.

Your children will have government and private corporate handouts and quotas available regardless of their talent. My white kids won't. You don't want equality, you want even more special privileges than you already have.

HAHAHAHAHAHA.

Yes, the PP is precisely the type of person that would call the cops on black kids walking home from school and then celebrate them getting shot -- one less &*$% to get a corporate handout.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a black parent, I don't have the luxury of expecting the school to do the heavy lifting in terms of core math and ELA. Maybe little white kids can survive entering K with zero literacy or numeracy skills, but my little black boys wouldn't be taken seriously, nor would I as a responsible parent. Don't talk to be about "equity" when some of you want the "privilege" of sending your kids to school unprepared, notwithstanding the fact that you have the resources to do so.

No, the school shouldn't expect much from parents, but you should expect more from yourselves.

Fascinating take given that while the U.S. does have systemic racism, it is almost entirely aimed at whites.

Your children will have government and private corporate handouts and quotas available regardless of their talent. My white kids won't. You don't want equality, you want even more special privileges than you already have.

OP here and I do not endorse this post! Go back under your bridge, troll.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I feel like the point was missed here. Sure, children with involved parents will always have advantages. Socially, educationally, etc. But no parent should have to teach their child basic reading, writing, and arithmetic. That is in fact the job of the school. We should ALL want EVERY child to learn those basic things at school regardless of their parents' level of engagement at home.

Most schools don’t have a problem teaching basic skills if the kid is reasonably ready and willing. But I think you are underestimating just how bad the situation is at some of these schools. There are schools where the kids barely show up for classes and never turn in homework. What is a school supposed to do with that?

Remember the story of that Baltimore senior with a 0.13GPA? GPA wise he was in the upper half of his class! That means over half of his senior class had a GPA equal or lower than 0.13! I’m sure the school could have done some things better, but at what point do parents bear some responsibility?