DeSantis and FL moving to hammer Disney

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Anonymous wrote:So it is hypocritical for Repubs to not maintain tax loopholes for giant corporations?

NP. I don't actually think the merits of tax policy or the integrity/character of Republicans vs. Democrats is the proper lens to view this kerfuffle.

This was purely a cynical ploy to manipulate public opinion and gin up outrage among Republican base voters. Judging on that criteria, it seems pretty boneheaded. Increasing taxes on local citizens by $2,200/year is a pithy bit of info tailor made for attack ads.

Although compared to Abbott's $4 billion unconstitutional truck inspections, it's not so bad.

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Anonymous wrote:DeSantis looking to get rid of Disney's special tax district privileges in response to Disney for being 'woke'. The measure only has to pass the house, which is Republican, so it looks like there is a very high probability of passing.


https://www.wsj.com/articles/florida-senate-passes-bill-to-eliminate-disneys-special-tax-district-11650473902

Go woke and go broke is going to be DeSantis' presidential rallying cry.

My guess is it is more in retaliation for their completely hypocritical position. If they had this stance for years and were consistent with their their support for the gay community, my guess is this wouldn't be happening. However, they continue to do business with and even expand business into countries that have banned gay marriage and even condemn gays to death, so they are really just going after DeSantis, who in turn is fighting back.

The matter is not complicated. DeSantis is not an idiot - you may not like him but he is not an idiot. DeSantis would not have gone after Disney if they just did the standard corporate dance about LGTBQIA2S+ and threw in some references to equity and stakeholder capitalism. Disney vowed to work towards repealing the Parental Rights in Education law, which has broad popular support among FL residents. If Disney wants to dabble in politics, well, DeSantis is showing them what that means.

Actually, polling has been all over the place on the Don't Say Gay law. The extremely vague wording of the law doesn't help (it's intentional, of course). And since when do Republicans care about polls?

It's a temper tantrum from DeSantis. Trying to picture how it would go if, say, Gavin Newsom tried to raise property taxes on all Chick-Fil-a locations in California because he doesn't like their LGBT stance.

Actually, it was a tantrum by Disney and their hypocritical stance on the issue, like altering their gay content to suit China for money, that brought the now unwanted attention on themselves and their decades long sweetheart deal. They should have looked at their own policies and corrected that first, but it is obvious their "support " is nothing but lio service and their stance hypocritical.

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Anonymous wrote:There is no going back for Disney. Florida can penalize it all it wants. All that happens is that future investments will consider these actions.

Please! Even with this move, Florida is far more attractive to a business like Disney than a liberal state like California or NY. Per other posters, Disney should be positively celebrating this gift of legislation by DeSantis now that they will be able to transfer administrative costs to the government. They are probably popping bottles in the executive offices.

No not any more. Business do not like the big hand of republicans government telling them how to run their private business. Business are pulling out of Florida because it is so anti business, anti free market. All republicans want to do is increase taxes, increase regulations and red tape and expand government.

LOL, citation needed.

Here let’s put it together for you. Disney now pays property taxes. Disney also pays for all the infrastructure and city cost(police, trash pickup, water, etc). Now republicans stripped Disney of this responsibility. Therefore government will have to increases taxes and increase the size and scope of government to replace want the private sector was supplying. While at the same time forcing Disney to adopt religious and discriminatory practices. What a bunch of clowns!

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Anonymous wrote:DeSantis looking to get rid of Disney's special tax district privileges in response to Disney for being 'woke'. The measure only has to pass the house, which is Republican, so it looks like there is a very high probability of passing.


https://www.wsj.com/articles/florida-senate-passes-bill-to-eliminate-disneys-special-tax-district-11650473902

Go woke and go broke is going to be DeSantis' presidential rallying cry.

My guess is it is more in retaliation for their completely hypocritical position. If they had this stance for years and were consistent with their their support for the gay community, my guess is this wouldn't be happening. However, they continue to do business with and even expand business into countries that have banned gay marriage and even condemn gays to death, so they are really just going after DeSantis, who in turn is fighting back.

The matter is not complicated. DeSantis is not an idiot - you may not like him but he is not an idiot. DeSantis would not have gone after Disney if they just did the standard corporate dance about LGTBQIA2S+ and threw in some references to equity and stakeholder capitalism. Disney vowed to work towards repealing the Parental Rights in Education law, which has broad popular support among FL residents. If Disney wants to dabble in politics, well, DeSantis is showing them what that means.

Actually, polling has been all over the place on the Don't Say Gay law. The extremely vague wording of the law doesn't help (it's intentional, of course). And since when do Republicans care about polls?

It's a temper tantrum from DeSantis. Trying to picture how it would go if, say, Gavin Newsom tried to raise property taxes on all Chick-Fil-a locations in California because he doesn't like their LGBT stance.

Actually, it was a tantrum by Disney and their hypocritical stance on the issue, like altering their gay content to suit China for money, that brought the now unwanted attention on themselves and their decades long sweetheart deal. They should have looked at their own policies and corrected that first, but it is obvious their "support " is nothing but lio service and their stance hypocritical.

How is what China did any different vs what republicans are doing to Disney?

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Anonymous wrote:I think DeSantis is gross - but I like him normalizing going after companies who don't align with your political view.

Dems spend way too much time catering to the corporate crowd. We can definitely benefit from what DeSantis is doing and won't be blamed for starting it.

WTF?

The first PP and the second PP's interaction reveal the cognitive dissonance among Democrats. This is what happens when you have no rational basis for your ideology, just "feelings".

Understanding that the government can’t infringe on rights is not cognitive dissonance. What a silly reply. I’m sure you believe Twitter does owe you 1A protections.

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Anonymous wrote:Will the local taxpayers assume a burden if this goes down? Seems like all those FL statewide GOPers want to impose higher taxes on the middle class.

Yes, the burden is one billion dollars, around $2200 for each and every Orange and Osceola County resident.
Lots of discussion already here:
https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1052413.page

Literally every Dem candidate for the midterm elections should be hammering this point. DeSamtus cleverly has this not kicking in u til 2025 but the numbers are there and should be broadcasted far and wide.

The math is no so simple.

Currently Disney is able to self govern meaning tax and provide services.

Desantis is taking away Disney's ability to tax. Taxes at Disney properties will now go to local and state gov not Disney.

If Disney wants to maintain its current level of services it might need to continue to privately fund things such as EMS without the benefit of the tax revenue it currently enjoys.

I googled around for analysis and there is none to be had. The closest I got to are what you mentioned above, that Disney effectively taxes its own properties and use that to pay for the services it provides. As a result, property tax bill owed to the two counties it sits on would grow as a result. It also gets to issue bonds to use debt to pay for things. Having visited Disney recently, the roadways and facilities are all very nice, I agree. The government-paid roadways and facilities would not be as nice. But hey, Disney is all-in for more equity, right?

Guest you did not google very hard? Disney does not taxes it’s own properties. Are you really this stupid or are you just trying to support DeSantis attack on business?

Analysts Say Florida Stripping Disney World’s Power Could Cost Residents and Counties

The special district does not exempt Disney from paying property taxes,” Clark said. Disney is Central Florida’s largest taxpayer, paying nearly $300 million per year in property taxes to Orange and Osceola counties, as well as about $250 million in other state taxes.

So, if those counties had to assume many of the roles the Reedy Creek Improvement District now performs, they would be doing it without any real expanded income, save some potential permitting and other construction fees

https://www.disneyfoodblog.com/2022/04/19/analysts-say-florida-stripping-disney-worlds-power-could-cost-residents-and-counties/

You are trying to get too much mileage out of one FCU professor quoted on a food blog. Other newspapers like NYT, WaPo, and LA Times all reference the fact that the financial impacts are not at all clear or known.

https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/business/story/2022-04-20/what-happens-if-disney-loses-its-self-government-powers-in-flordia

It is pretty obvious that Florida benefits greatly from Disney. Many families from around the world go there primarily for Disney. The only reason we have visited there several times was to go to Disney World.

De Santis is biting the hand that feeds him and I hope other states make attractive offers to Disney to relocate - starting with Maryland and Virginia.

Disney is not leaving Florida

More likely CEO is leaving Disney and new CEO will take a less openly woke stance on maintaining LGBT in elementary school curriculums.

Disney should consider it and other states should make offers. Florida coast also vulnerable to climate change and hurricanes.

De Santis may play well to less educated populists in red neck states but he will never win the north east states or California. He has very little chance of winning popular vote in presidential race. He will now lose credibility as being pro business as he goes after Florida’s mist lucrative business, in addition to his rabid anti medical science stances that cost thousands of lives in Florida.

The deplorables will come out in droves for the mid terms.

You need to study the electoral college map. Dems need to win more than Maryland, the Northeast, and Cali to the hold White House.

Desantis made effective antibody treatments available to more people in Florida than any other state and was ahead of the curve on loosening mask mandates. You probably look to China's handling of COVID as a model for what should be done?

https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2022/04/21/shanghai-residents-push-back-against-covid-measures-culver-dnt-ebof-vpx.cnn

Oh puhleeze. Wearing masks is not a big deal and does not require staying cooped up at home.

He didn’t just loosen mask requirements he went after any school districts that wanted to keep masks on (this was before kids could be vaccinated) to save the lives of teachers, bus drivers and students. He would not let them have local jurisdiction. They lost teachers, students, and bus drivers in far higher numbers than other states.

You might think his presidential ambitions justify playing Russian roulette with lives of kids and adults who serve then but I don’t.

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Anonymous wrote:I think DeSantis is gross - but I like him normalizing going after companies who don't align with your political view.

Dems spend way too much time catering to the corporate crowd. We can definitely benefit from what DeSantis is doing and won't be blamed for starting it.

WTF?

The first PP and the second PP's interaction reveal the cognitive dissonance among Democrats. This is what happens when you have no rational basis for your ideology, just "feelings".

oh, this is rich.

The R party has embraced conspiracy theorist, Q followers as political leaders; continue to hold on to the stop the steal rallies two years later, and still want their Insurrectionist in chief to run in 2024; exercise cancel culture on private businesses using their political clout, even as they blast private businesses for exercising their own cancel culture using their social clout.

But sure, it's the Dems who seem to be irrational ones .

Very well said - the ongoing sanctimonious self delusions and double standards are beyond belief

You mean from the Disney Corp? Totally agree.

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Anonymous wrote:DeSantis looking to get rid of Disney's special tax district privileges in response to Disney for being 'woke'. The measure only has to pass the house, which is Republican, so it looks like there is a very high probability of passing.


https://www.wsj.com/articles/florida-senate-passes-bill-to-eliminate-disneys-special-tax-district-11650473902

Go woke and go broke is going to be DeSantis' presidential rallying cry.

My guess is it is more in retaliation for their completely hypocritical position. If they had this stance for years and were consistent with their their support for the gay community, my guess is this wouldn't be happening. However, they continue to do business with and even expand business into countries that have banned gay marriage and even condemn gays to death, so they are really just going after DeSantis, who in turn is fighting back.

The matter is not complicated. DeSantis is not an idiot - you may not like him but he is not an idiot. DeSantis would not have gone after Disney if they just did the standard corporate dance about LGTBQIA2S+ and threw in some references to equity and stakeholder capitalism. Disney vowed to work towards repealing the Parental Rights in Education law, which has broad popular support among FL residents. If Disney wants to dabble in politics, well, DeSantis is showing them what that means.

Actually, polling has been all over the place on the Don't Say Gay law. The extremely vague wording of the law doesn't help (it's intentional, of course). And since when do Republicans care about polls?

It's a temper tantrum from DeSantis. Trying to picture how it would go if, say, Gavin Newsom tried to raise property taxes on all Chick-Fil-a locations in California because he doesn't like their LGBT stance.

Actually, it was a tantrum by Disney and their hypocritical stance on the issue, like altering their gay content to suit China for money, that brought the now unwanted attention on themselves and their decades long sweetheart deal. They should have looked at their own policies and corrected that first, but it is obvious their "support " is nothing but lio service and their stance hypocritical.

How is what China did any different vs what republicans are doing to Disney?

I am not voting for DeSantis. I am not voting for a government like China. Why do the republicans want a government like China?

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From what I read, city residents need to approve dissolution of the special tax district under Florida law. Seems like this would go to the Florida Supreme Court.

But reality is Florida needs Disney more than Disney needs Florida. The legislature could reverse this next year, which would still give DeSantis a win among the GOP base and preserve Disney’s special district (and Florida’s typical pro-business stance).

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Anonymous wrote:DeSantis looking to get rid of Disney's special tax district privileges in response to Disney for being 'woke'. The measure only has to pass the house, which is Republican, so it looks like there is a very high probability of passing.


https://www.wsj.com/articles/florida-senate-passes-bill-to-eliminate-disneys-special-tax-district-11650473902

Go woke and go broke is going to be DeSantis' presidential rallying cry.

My guess is it is more in retaliation for their completely hypocritical position. If they had this stance for years and were consistent with their their support for the gay community, my guess is this wouldn't be happening. However, they continue to do business with and even expand business into countries that have banned gay marriage and even condemn gays to death, so they are really just going after DeSantis, who in turn is fighting back.

The matter is not complicated. DeSantis is not an idiot - you may not like him but he is not an idiot. DeSantis would not have gone after Disney if they just did the standard corporate dance about LGTBQIA2S+ and threw in some references to equity and stakeholder capitalism. Disney vowed to work towards repealing the Parental Rights in Education law, which has broad popular support among FL residents. If Disney wants to dabble in politics, well, DeSantis is showing them what that means.

Actually, polling has been all over the place on the Don't Say Gay law. The extremely vague wording of the law doesn't help (it's intentional, of course). And since when do Republicans care about polls?

It's a temper tantrum from DeSantis. Trying to picture how it would go if, say, Gavin Newsom tried to raise property taxes on all Chick-Fil-a locations in California because he doesn't like their LGBT stance.

Actually, it was a tantrum by Disney and their hypocritical stance on the issue, like altering their gay content to suit China for money, that brought the now unwanted attention on themselves and their decades long sweetheart deal. They should have looked at their own policies and corrected that first, but it is obvious their "support " is nothing but lio service and their stance hypocritical.

DP. A corporation is hypocritical?! Stop the presses! Newsflash: all corporations are hypocritical to one degree or another. They exist solely to make money for their shareholders. Most politicians are hypocritical, too. So what we have here is a stand-off between a hypocritical politician and a hypocritical corporation. Let's see who wins.I'd say so far DeSantis is winning because of all the press he is getting as he positions himself for a possible run for the presidency. (I'm a Dem, in case anyone cares).

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Anonymous wrote:DeSantis looking to get rid of Disney's special tax district privileges in response to Disney for being 'woke'. The measure only has to pass the house, which is Republican, so it looks like there is a very high probability of passing.


https://www.wsj.com/articles/florida-senate-passes-bill-to-eliminate-disneys-special-tax-district-11650473902

Go woke and go broke is going to be DeSantis' presidential rallying cry.

My guess is it is more in retaliation for their completely hypocritical position. If they had this stance for years and were consistent with their their support for the gay community, my guess is this wouldn't be happening. However, they continue to do business with and even expand business into countries that have banned gay marriage and even condemn gays to death, so they are really just going after DeSantis, who in turn is fighting back.

The matter is not complicated. DeSantis is not an idiot - you may not like him but he is not an idiot. DeSantis would not have gone after Disney if they just did the standard corporate dance about LGTBQIA2S+ and threw in some references to equity and stakeholder capitalism. Disney vowed to work towards repealing the Parental Rights in Education law, which has broad popular support among FL residents. If Disney wants to dabble in politics, well, DeSantis is showing them what that means.

Actually, polling has been all over the place on the Don't Say Gay law. The extremely vague wording of the law doesn't help (it's intentional, of course). And since when do Republicans care about polls?

It's a temper tantrum from DeSantis. Trying to picture how it would go if, say, Gavin Newsom tried to raise property taxes on all Chick-Fil-a locations in California because he doesn't like their LGBT stance.

Actually, it was a tantrum by Disney and their hypocritical stance on the issue, like altering their gay content to suit China for money, that brought the now unwanted attention on themselves and their decades long sweetheart deal. They should have looked at their own policies and corrected that first, but it is obvious their "support " is nothing but lio service and their stance hypocritical.

How is what China did any different vs what republicans are doing to Disney?

I am not voting for DeSantis. I am not voting for a government like China. Why do the republicans want a government like China?

Disney, Nike, Apple ... are all fine with the government in China.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think DeSantis is gross - but I like him normalizing going after companies who don't align with your political view.

Dems spend way too much time catering to the corporate crowd. We can definitely benefit from what DeSantis is doing and won't be blamed for starting it.

WTF?

The first PP and the second PP's interaction reveal the cognitive dissonance among Democrats. This is what happens when you have no rational basis for your ideology, just "feelings".

oh, this is rich.

The R party has embraced conspiracy theorist, Q followers as political leaders; continue to hold on to the stop the steal rallies two years later, and still want their Insurrectionist in chief to run in 2024; exercise cancel culture on private businesses using their political clout, even as they blast private businesses for exercising their own cancel culture using their social clout.

But sure, it's the Dems who seem to be irrational ones .

Very well said - the ongoing sanctimonious self delusions and double standards are beyond belief

You mean from the Disney Corp? Totally agree.

Pot meet kettle

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Anonymous wrote:DeSantis looking to get rid of Disney's special tax district privileges in response to Disney for being 'woke'. The measure only has to pass the house, which is Republican, so it looks like there is a very high probability of passing.


https://www.wsj.com/articles/florida-senate-passes-bill-to-eliminate-disneys-special-tax-district-11650473902

Go woke and go broke is going to be DeSantis' presidential rallying cry.

My guess is it is more in retaliation for their completely hypocritical position. If they had this stance for years and were consistent with their their support for the gay community, my guess is this wouldn't be happening. However, they continue to do business with and even expand business into countries that have banned gay marriage and even condemn gays to death, so they are really just going after DeSantis, who in turn is fighting back.

The matter is not complicated. DeSantis is not an idiot - you may not like him but he is not an idiot. DeSantis would not have gone after Disney if they just did the standard corporate dance about LGTBQIA2S+ and threw in some references to equity and stakeholder capitalism. Disney vowed to work towards repealing the Parental Rights in Education law, which has broad popular support among FL residents. If Disney wants to dabble in politics, well, DeSantis is showing them what that means.

Actually, polling has been all over the place on the Don't Say Gay law. The extremely vague wording of the law doesn't help (it's intentional, of course). And since when do Republicans care about polls?

It's a temper tantrum from DeSantis. Trying to picture how it would go if, say, Gavin Newsom tried to raise property taxes on all Chick-Fil-a locations in California because he doesn't like their LGBT stance.

Actually, it was a tantrum by Disney and their hypocritical stance on the issue, like altering their gay content to suit China for money, that brought the now unwanted attention on themselves and their decades long sweetheart deal. They should have looked at their own policies and corrected that first, but it is obvious their "support " is nothing but lio service and their stance hypocritical.

How is what China did any different vs what republicans are doing to Disney?

I am not voting for DeSantis. I am not voting for a government like China. Why do the republicans want a government like China?

Disney, Nike, Apple ... are all fine with the government in China.

Yes, because they only care about making $$$ and China is a huge market. Please provide an example of a company that doesn't care about its profits.

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Anonymous wrote:DeSantis looking to get rid of Disney's special tax district privileges in response to Disney for being 'woke'. The measure only has to pass the house, which is Republican, so it looks like there is a very high probability of passing.


https://www.wsj.com/articles/florida-senate-passes-bill-to-eliminate-disneys-special-tax-district-11650473902

Go woke and go broke is going to be DeSantis' presidential rallying cry.

My guess is it is more in retaliation for their completely hypocritical position. If they had this stance for years and were consistent with their their support for the gay community, my guess is this wouldn't be happening. However, they continue to do business with and even expand business into countries that have banned gay marriage and even condemn gays to death, so they are really just going after DeSantis, who in turn is fighting back.

The matter is not complicated. DeSantis is not an idiot - you may not like him but he is not an idiot. DeSantis would not have gone after Disney if they just did the standard corporate dance about LGTBQIA2S+ and threw in some references to equity and stakeholder capitalism. Disney vowed to work towards repealing the Parental Rights in Education law, which has broad popular support among FL residents. If Disney wants to dabble in politics, well, DeSantis is showing them what that means.

Actually, polling has been all over the place on the Don't Say Gay law. The extremely vague wording of the law doesn't help (it's intentional, of course). And since when do Republicans care about polls?

It's a temper tantrum from DeSantis. Trying to picture how it would go if, say, Gavin Newsom tried to raise property taxes on all Chick-Fil-a locations in California because he doesn't like their LGBT stance.

Actually, it was a tantrum by Disney and their hypocritical stance on the issue, like altering their gay content to suit China for money, that brought the now unwanted attention on themselves and their decades long sweetheart deal. They should have looked at their own policies and corrected that first, but it is obvious their "support " is nothing but lio service and their stance hypocritical.

How is what China did any different vs what republicans are doing to Disney?

I am not voting for DeSantis. I am not voting for a government like China. Why do the republicans want a government like China?

Disney, Nike, Apple ... are all fine with the government in China.

Republicans are fine with the government of China and want that system here. This is why they are going after Disney…next up ..Nike, Apple, etc

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Anonymous wrote:From what I read, city residents need to approve dissolution of the special tax district under Florida law. Seems like this would go to the Florida Supreme Court.

But reality is Florida needs Disney more than Disney needs Florida. The legislature could reverse this next year, which would still give DeSantis a win among the GOP base and preserve Disney’s special district (and Florida’s typical pro-business stance).

Disney is leaving Florida. They will be followed by the other theme parks.