DeSantis and FL moving to hammer Disney

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Anonymous wrote:DeSantis looking to get rid of Disney's special tax district privileges in response to Disney for being 'woke'. The measure only has to pass the house, which is Republican, so it looks like there is a very high probability of passing.


https://www.wsj.com/articles/florida-senate-passes-bill-to-eliminate-disneys-special-tax-district-11650473902

Go woke and go broke is going to be DeSantis' presidential rallying cry.

What a petulant thug De Santis is—taking a page right out of Trump’s playbook by punishing those who cross him. It sure gets his face and name in the news…which is exactly the point.

I don't hear any howling from the Democrats when Disney removes diversity from its movie content to make sure it can make profits in China. Either Disney has a stance or it doesn't. Which is it?

Actually, a lot of people complain about this. You just aren't consuming those media outlets.

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Anonymous wrote:Will the local taxpayers assume a burden if this goes down? Seems like all those FL statewide GOPers want to impose higher taxes on the middle class.

Yes, the burden is one billion dollars, around $2200 for each and every Orange and Osceola County resident.
Lots of discussion already here:
https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1052413.page

Literally every Dem candidate for the midterm elections should be hammering this point. DeSamtus cleverly has this not kicking in u til 2025 but the numbers are there and should be broadcasted far and wide.

The math is no so simple.

Currently Disney is able to self govern meaning tax and provide services.

Desantis is taking away Disney's ability to tax. Taxes at Disney properties will now go to local and state gov not Disney.

If Disney wants to maintain its current level of services it might need to continue to privately fund things such as EMS without the benefit of the tax revenue it currently enjoys.

I googled around for analysis and there is none to be had. The closest I got to are what you mentioned above, that Disney effectively taxes its own properties and use that to pay for the services it provides. As a result, property tax bill owed to the two counties it sits on would grow as a result. It also gets to issue bonds to use debt to pay for things. Having visited Disney recently, the roadways and facilities are all very nice, I agree. The government-paid roadways and facilities would not be as nice. But hey, Disney is all-in for more equity, right?

Guest you did not google very hard? Disney does not taxes it’s own properties. Are you really this stupid or are you just trying to support DeSantis attack on business?

Analysts Say Florida Stripping Disney World’s Power Could Cost Residents and Counties

The special district does not exempt Disney from paying property taxes,” Clark said. Disney is Central Florida’s largest taxpayer, paying nearly $300 million per year in property taxes to Orange and Osceola counties, as well as about $250 million in other state taxes.

So, if those counties had to assume many of the roles the Reedy Creek Improvement District now performs, they would be doing it without any real expanded income, save some potential permitting and other construction fees

https://www.disneyfoodblog.com/2022/04/19/analysts-say-florida-stripping-disney-worlds-power-could-cost-residents-and-counties/

You are trying to get too much mileage out of one FCU professor quoted on a food blog. Other newspapers like NYT, WaPo, and LA Times all reference the fact that the financial impacts are not at all clear or known.

https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/business/story/2022-04-20/what-happens-if-disney-loses-its-self-government-powers-in-flordia

It is pretty obvious that Florida benefits greatly from Disney. Many families from around the world go there primarily for Disney. The only reason we have visited there several times was to go to Disney World.

De Santis is biting the hand that feeds him and I hope other states make attractive offers to Disney to relocate - starting with Maryland and Virginia.

Disney is not leaving Florida

More likely CEO is leaving Disney and new CEO will take a less openly woke stance on maintaining LGBT in elementary school curriculums.

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Anonymous wrote:There is no going back for Disney. Florida can penalize it all it wants. All that happens is that future investments will consider these actions.

Please! Even with this move, Florida is far more attractive to a business like Disney than a liberal state like California or NY. Per other posters, Disney should be positively celebrating this gift of legislation by DeSantis now that they will be able to transfer administrative costs to the government. They are probably popping bottles in the executive offices.

No not any more. Business do not like the big hand of republicans government telling them how to run their private business. Business are pulling out of Florida because it is so anti business, anti free market. All republicans want to do is increase taxes, increase regulations and red tape and expand government.

LOL, citation needed.

Look at the ideas floated by Senator Scott - raise taxes on the lower and middle classes.
Look at DiSantis and Abbott - telling businesses how to operate
Look at the GOP dictating to women how to manage their healthcare.
The GOP also wants to regulate what books are acceptable.

the list goes on. The GOP are totally hypocritical when it comes to individual rights, the rights of businesses and managing budgets.

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So it is hypocritical for Repubs to not maintain tax loopholes for giant corporations?

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Anonymous wrote:There is no going back for Disney. Florida can penalize it all it wants. All that happens is that future investments will consider these actions.

Please! Even with this move, Florida is far more attractive to a business like Disney than a liberal state like California or NY. Per other posters, Disney should be positively celebrating this gift of legislation by DeSantis now that they will be able to transfer administrative costs to the government. They are probably popping bottles in the executive offices.

You realize NY and CA would together be the richest country in the world, right?

Non-sequitur.

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Anonymous wrote:Disney was in trouble way before this happened. It is plagued by infighting at the top, a pivot toward lower quality/higher volume service and merchandise, and degrading customee satisfaction. I'm pro free speech and conservative and I have conflicted views of this choice, but Disney probably needs a massive jolt to get back to its long history of high quality, family friendly entertainment.

What about diverse, same-sex couple families? Is entertainment friendly to them, as it stands?

I wouldn't presume to speak for LBGTQIAS2+~ experience of Disney, but I imagine they also appreciate merchandise that doesnt fall apart or have chipped paint, overselling/overcrowding of parks, and burger joints that dont exceed $70 per plate.

Yes I've heard many people complaining about how the quality of the Disney experience has gone down over the past few years. Prices now are ridiculous, parks are dirtier and the employees are less friendly. The CEO has put more emphasis on profits than experience.

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Anonymous wrote:Will the local taxpayers assume a burden if this goes down? Seems like all those FL statewide GOPers want to impose higher taxes on the middle class.

Yes, the burden is one billion dollars, around $2200 for each and every Orange and Osceola County resident.
Lots of discussion already here:
https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1052413.page

Literally every Dem candidate for the midterm elections should be hammering this point. DeSamtus cleverly has this not kicking in u til 2025 but the numbers are there and should be broadcasted far and wide.

The math is no so simple.

Currently Disney is able to self govern meaning tax and provide services.

Desantis is taking away Disney's ability to tax. Taxes at Disney properties will now go to local and state gov not Disney.

If Disney wants to maintain its current level of services it might need to continue to privately fund things such as EMS without the benefit of the tax revenue it currently enjoys.

I googled around for analysis and there is none to be had. The closest I got to are what you mentioned above, that Disney effectively taxes its own properties and use that to pay for the services it provides. As a result, property tax bill owed to the two counties it sits on would grow as a result. It also gets to issue bonds to use debt to pay for things. Having visited Disney recently, the roadways and facilities are all very nice, I agree. The government-paid roadways and facilities would not be as nice. But hey, Disney is all-in for more equity, right?

Guest you did not google very hard? Disney does not taxes it’s own properties. Are you really this stupid or are you just trying to support DeSantis attack on business?

Analysts Say Florida Stripping Disney World’s Power Could Cost Residents and Counties

The special district does not exempt Disney from paying property taxes,” Clark said. Disney is Central Florida’s largest taxpayer, paying nearly $300 million per year in property taxes to Orange and Osceola counties, as well as about $250 million in other state taxes.

So, if those counties had to assume many of the roles the Reedy Creek Improvement District now performs, they would be doing it without any real expanded income, save some potential permitting and other construction fees

https://www.disneyfoodblog.com/2022/04/19/analysts-say-florida-stripping-disney-worlds-power-could-cost-residents-and-counties/

You are trying to get too much mileage out of one FCU professor quoted on a food blog. Other newspapers like NYT, WaPo, and LA Times all reference the fact that the financial impacts are not at all clear or known.

https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/business/story/2022-04-20/what-happens-if-disney-loses-its-self-government-powers-in-flordia

It is pretty obvious that Florida benefits greatly from Disney. Many families from around the world go there primarily for Disney. The only reason we have visited there several times was to go to Disney World.

De Santis is biting the hand that feeds him and I hope other states make attractive offers to Disney to relocate - starting with Maryland and Virginia.

Disney is not leaving Florida

More likely CEO is leaving Disney and new CEO will take a less openly woke stance on maintaining LGBT in elementary school curriculums.

Disney should consider it and other states should make offers. Florida coast also vulnerable to climate change and hurricanes.

De Santis may play well to less educated populists in red neck states but he will never win the north east states or California. He has very little chance of winning popular vote in presidential race. He will now lose credibility as being pro business as he goes after Florida’s mist lucrative business, in addition to his rabid anti medical science stances that cost thousands of lives in Florida.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Will the local taxpayers assume a burden if this goes down? Seems like all those FL statewide GOPers want to impose higher taxes on the middle class.

Yes, the burden is one billion dollars, around $2200 for each and every Orange and Osceola County resident.
Lots of discussion already here:
https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1052413.page

Literally every Dem candidate for the midterm elections should be hammering this point. DeSamtus cleverly has this not kicking in u til 2025 but the numbers are there and should be broadcasted far and wide.

The math is no so simple.

Currently Disney is able to self govern meaning tax and provide services.

Desantis is taking away Disney's ability to tax. Taxes at Disney properties will now go to local and state gov not Disney.

If Disney wants to maintain its current level of services it might need to continue to privately fund things such as EMS without the benefit of the tax revenue it currently enjoys.

I googled around for analysis and there is none to be had. The closest I got to are what you mentioned above, that Disney effectively taxes its own properties and use that to pay for the services it provides. As a result, property tax bill owed to the two counties it sits on would grow as a result. It also gets to issue bonds to use debt to pay for things. Having visited Disney recently, the roadways and facilities are all very nice, I agree. The government-paid roadways and facilities would not be as nice. But hey, Disney is all-in for more equity, right?

Guest you did not google very hard? Disney does not taxes it’s own properties. Are you really this stupid or are you just trying to support DeSantis attack on business?

Analysts Say Florida Stripping Disney World’s Power Could Cost Residents and Counties

The special district does not exempt Disney from paying property taxes,” Clark said. Disney is Central Florida’s largest taxpayer, paying nearly $300 million per year in property taxes to Orange and Osceola counties, as well as about $250 million in other state taxes.

So, if those counties had to assume many of the roles the Reedy Creek Improvement District now performs, they would be doing it without any real expanded income, save some potential permitting and other construction fees

https://www.disneyfoodblog.com/2022/04/19/analysts-say-florida-stripping-disney-worlds-power-could-cost-residents-and-counties/

You are trying to get too much mileage out of one FCU professor quoted on a food blog. Other newspapers like NYT, WaPo, and LA Times all reference the fact that the financial impacts are not at all clear or known.

https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/business/story/2022-04-20/what-happens-if-disney-loses-its-self-government-powers-in-flordia

It is pretty obvious that Florida benefits greatly from Disney. Many families from around the world go there primarily for Disney. The only reason we have visited there several times was to go to Disney World.

De Santis is biting the hand that feeds him and I hope other states make attractive offers to Disney to relocate - starting with Maryland and Virginia.

Disney is not leaving Florida

More likely CEO is leaving Disney and new CEO will take a less openly woke stance on maintaining LGBT in elementary school curriculums.

No DeSantis is done. He will be replaced by a pro business democrat. You really do not understand how your government oppression alienates Americans.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Disney was in trouble way before this happened. It is plagued by infighting at the top, a pivot toward lower quality/higher volume service and merchandise, and degrading customee satisfaction. I'm pro free speech and conservative and I have conflicted views of this choice, but Disney probably needs a massive jolt to get back to its long history of high quality, family friendly entertainment.

What about diverse, same-sex couple families? Is entertainment friendly to them, as it stands?

I wouldn't presume to speak for LBGTQIAS2+~ experience of Disney, but I imagine they also appreciate merchandise that doesnt fall apart or have chipped paint, overselling/overcrowding of parks, and burger joints that dont exceed $70 per plate.

Yes I've heard many people complaining about how the quality of the Disney experience has gone down over the past few years. Prices now are ridiculous, parks are dirtier and the employees are less friendly. The CEO has put more emphasis on profits than experience.

Yep let’s see what happens when the government comes in and starts running things. DeSantis = big government and more taxes!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So it is hypocritical for Repubs to not maintain tax loopholes for giant corporations?

Disney pays property taxes and takes care of police, emergency services, roads and infrastructure. Why do you keep spreading the lie that Disney does not pay taxes? There is no more tax income coming from Disney but you know that already.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Will the local taxpayers assume a burden if this goes down? Seems like all those FL statewide GOPers want to impose higher taxes on the middle class.

Yes, the burden is one billion dollars, around $2200 for each and every Orange and Osceola County resident.
Lots of discussion already here:
https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1052413.page

Literally every Dem candidate for the midterm elections should be hammering this point. DeSamtus cleverly has this not kicking in u til 2025 but the numbers are there and should be broadcasted far and wide.

The math is no so simple.

Currently Disney is able to self govern meaning tax and provide services.

Desantis is taking away Disney's ability to tax. Taxes at Disney properties will now go to local and state gov not Disney.

If Disney wants to maintain its current level of services it might need to continue to privately fund things such as EMS without the benefit of the tax revenue it currently enjoys.

This whole thing was very quick, but local officials in those two counties should be able to come up with an estimated tax hike it will have to impose on residents. Doesn’t have to be exact, but they need to make the point clear that REPUBLICANS effectively voted to raise taxes.

While these two counties generally skew blue in elections, there are plenty of voters in the middle to pick off here. The 2018 election was pretty close.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Will the local taxpayers assume a burden if this goes down? Seems like all those FL statewide GOPers want to impose higher taxes on the middle class.

Yes, the burden is one billion dollars, around $2200 for each and every Orange and Osceola County resident.
Lots of discussion already here:
https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1052413.page

Literally every Dem candidate for the midterm elections should be hammering this point. DeSamtus cleverly has this not kicking in u til 2025 but the numbers are there and should be broadcasted far and wide.

The math is no so simple.

Currently Disney is able to self govern meaning tax and provide services.

Desantis is taking away Disney's ability to tax. Taxes at Disney properties will now go to local and state gov not Disney.

If Disney wants to maintain its current level of services it might need to continue to privately fund things such as EMS without the benefit of the tax revenue it currently enjoys.

I googled around for analysis and there is none to be had. The closest I got to are what you mentioned above, that Disney effectively taxes its own properties and use that to pay for the services it provides. As a result, property tax bill owed to the two counties it sits on would grow as a result. It also gets to issue bonds to use debt to pay for things. Having visited Disney recently, the roadways and facilities are all very nice, I agree. The government-paid roadways and facilities would not be as nice. But hey, Disney is all-in for more equity, right?

Guest you did not google very hard? Disney does not taxes it’s own properties. Are you really this stupid or are you just trying to support DeSantis attack on business?

Analysts Say Florida Stripping Disney World’s Power Could Cost Residents and Counties

The special district does not exempt Disney from paying property taxes,” Clark said. Disney is Central Florida’s largest taxpayer, paying nearly $300 million per year in property taxes to Orange and Osceola counties, as well as about $250 million in other state taxes.

So, if those counties had to assume many of the roles the Reedy Creek Improvement District now performs, they would be doing it without any real expanded income, save some potential permitting and other construction fees

https://www.disneyfoodblog.com/2022/04/19/analysts-say-florida-stripping-disney-worlds-power-could-cost-residents-and-counties/

You are trying to get too much mileage out of one FCU professor quoted on a food blog. Other newspapers like NYT, WaPo, and LA Times all reference the fact that the financial impacts are not at all clear or known.

https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/business/story/2022-04-20/what-happens-if-disney-loses-its-self-government-powers-in-flordia

It is pretty obvious that Florida benefits greatly from Disney. Many families from around the world go there primarily for Disney. The only reason we have visited there several times was to go to Disney World.

De Santis is biting the hand that feeds him and I hope other states make attractive offers to Disney to relocate - starting with Maryland and Virginia.

Disney is not leaving Florida

More likely CEO is leaving Disney and new CEO will take a less openly woke stance on maintaining LGBT in elementary school curriculums.

Disney should consider it and other states should make offers. Florida coast also vulnerable to climate change and hurricanes.

De Santis may play well to less educated populists in red neck states but he will never win the north east states or California. He has very little chance of winning popular vote in presidential race. He will now lose credibility as being pro business as he goes after Florida’s mist lucrative business, in addition to his rabid anti medical science stances that cost thousands of lives in Florida.

The deplorables will come out in droves for the mid terms.

You need to study the electoral college map. Dems need to win more than Maryland, the Northeast, and Cali to the hold White House.

Desantis made effective antibody treatments available to more people in Florida than any other state and was ahead of the curve on loosening mask mandates. You probably look to China's handling of COVID as a model for what should be done?

https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2022/04/21/shanghai-residents-push-back-against-covid-measures-culver-dnt-ebof-vpx.cnn

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Disney was in trouble way before this happened. It is plagued by infighting at the top, a pivot toward lower quality/higher volume service and merchandise, and degrading customee satisfaction. I'm pro free speech and conservative and I have conflicted views of this choice, but Disney probably needs a massive jolt to get back to its long history of high quality, family friendly entertainment.

What about diverse, same-sex couple families? Is entertainment friendly to them, as it stands?

I wouldn't presume to speak for LBGTQIAS2+~ experience of Disney, but I imagine they also appreciate merchandise that doesnt fall apart or have chipped paint, overselling/overcrowding of parks, and burger joints that dont exceed $70 per plate.

Yes I've heard many people complaining about how the quality of the Disney experience has gone down over the past few years. Prices now are ridiculous, parks are dirtier and the employees are less friendly. The CEO has put more emphasis on profits than experience.

I just came back from a trip over spring break. It was pretty nice. The place is really well put together and I enjoyed it. I did get some sticker shock here and there, but I guess for most people, a trip to Disney World is a big event that they save up for. It doesn't have to break the bank, as the park does offer less expensive eating options. Everyone we interacted with were super friendly. I came away with elevated respect for the management of the park. Very impressive.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So it is hypocritical for Repubs to not maintain tax loopholes for giant corporations?

Disney pays property taxes and takes care of police, emergency services, roads and infrastructure. Why do you keep spreading the lie that Disney does not pay taxes? There is no more tax income coming from Disney but you know that already.

If Desantis is not doing anything that harms Disney as you claim, then what is the problem?

[Anonymous]

The best thing about FL is never going there again.