Why is Wotton HS district favorited by many asian family?

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Another statistic. It also means that 30% of RM students taking AP/IB's are with the magnet. If we remove the IB Magnet from RM, this means that 42% of non-magnet graduates do not take an AP exam at all.

The magnet program similarly boosts the High School statistics at Blair. Blair has approximately 400 (100 / year) magnet program students. This means that 263 non-magnet students took AP exams out of 592 non-magnet graduates. This means that when you subtract out the Magnet program from Blair HS, 56% of the students didn't take an AP exam.

This seems to contradict the MCPS narrative that "equity" can be served by lowering magnet standards to 85% lottery (from 98-99%). Why? If making instruction accessible didn't work at Blair, why would lowering the Magnet qualification standards help?

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Anonymous wrote:Excellent academics!

I looked at the SAT averages by the demographic cohort that was posted here a while back and although Wooton does okay it's hardly the top school at least for kids.It is definitely in the top 5 though.

Raw SAT score means different things to different people and just because an average SAT score is higher does not necessarily translate into college readiness. Ex. a school could have more 504 or Special Needs programs than another.

Lotus prep does a nice analysis of the best high schools in the greater Washington DC area, both private and public, ranked by SAT. https://www.lotusprep.com/best-high-schools-dc/. They weight 3 (meaningful) factors equally: Average SAT (math and critical reading), Average number of Presidential Scholar candidates, Average number of National Merit Scholarship semi-finalists. Not sure why Poolesville wasn't counted, but it may have just been an oversight? Only two schools were "outliers" (the others "clustered" within a statistically significant range); although it will be interesting to see if Blair drops in future years due to the "lottery system" impact. Wootton was the lowest on this ranking (e.g. fewest National Merit Scholarship semi-finalists, Presidential Scholar candidates, SAT average).

Your data seems to be off, here's the summary and citation, but TLDR the largest common cohort to these schools had the following:

Blair 1326
Walter Johnson 1275
Wootton 1262
Churchill 1257

ttps://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2017/1771102HS%20Princ_SAT%20Partic_Perf%20Class%20of%202017.pdf

Thanks for clearing this up and providing a reliable citation!

Sorry. You folks are easliy fooled, aren't you. Both are accurate. The poster just misread the data. These are two types of documents using very different calculations. Let's use everyone's favorite school (Blair) as an example).

Table B1a. Number of Advanced Placement Exams Taken by MCPS Students and Number and Percentage of Advanced Placement Exam Scores of 3 or Higher in 2018 and 2019 by High School and Race/Ethnicity
2018 86.9%
2019 87.1%
https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2019/191219%20HS%20Princ_2019_AP_IB_Exams.dh.pdf

% of Graduates Scoring 3 or Higher on AP Test or Scoring 4 or Higher on IB Test
2019–2020 52.5%
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04757.pdf
2020-2021 56.5%
https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04757.pdf

The difference is the first set of numbers is calculated by the number of exams taken divided by the number of exams 3 or more (passing). The second set of numbers is calculated most likely by student (unless you believe a HS dropped 30% in a single year?).

In other words, MCPS boosted the numbers in Table B1a by showing the number of exams taken and passed (regardless of the number of students taking AP's). As we all know, it's common that a single student takes more than one AP exam. However, when you look at how many students took AP exams versus not at all, that is the better indication of academic success at a High School. That's what the 50'ish% show.

Now, remove the magnet kids from Blair (taking multiple AP exams), and I think you'll get a better picture of the school's non-magnet academic environment overall.

Yes looking at my children's cohort (we aren't asian) I think maybe 8% of the test takers were magnet students so that had very little impact.

I noticed you said "8% of all test takers", not of all students. MCPS only reported tests taken, not how many students took exams (versus the kids that were suspended, dropped, didn't take AP exams, etc.) And now many tests did each "test taker" take? A magnet student taking 3 or more (which is common for Magnet students, some who take 5+), will heavily skew the percentages you'll see posted. Also 100% of the magnet students should be taking 3 or more exams (otherwise why would they be in the magnet program at all?). Remove the magnet numbers from Blair and you'll see the difference.

I previously posted the # of students receiving a passing AP score at RM. It is in the same packet of reports. See upthread. 500 magnet students (at least 100 of those are in-bounds) and the number passing AP exams was in the 900s. So majority of the kids are living inside the boundaries of RM.

If you're going to post RM data, please at least post accurate RM data.
"Richard Montgomery High School’s Magnet Program is an IB continuum model recognized for its excellence throughout the world. Each year the school accepts approximately 125 students from a pool of over 1,000 applicants countywide." (your figure of 500 is for Freshman, Sophomore, Junior, and HS. Approximately 20% of the RM class is in Magnet.)
"For the May 2021 AP exams, Richard Montgomery administered 2,078 exams to 1,028 students."
https://www2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/schools/high-schools/r-w/rmhs/ib/2021-2022-rm-electronic.clubs--9.30.21.docx.pdf
"Number of Graduates: 629" "Number of Graduates Scoring 3+ on AP, 4+ on IB: 416"
https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04201.pdf

This means about 1/3 (33%) of a RM graduating class doesn't even take an AP/IB exam at all (which is still better than Blair 44%, but worse than Churchill 22%, Poolesville 24%, Whitman 16%, WJ 29%, Wootton 22%).

What's the FARMs rate at Whitman and Wootton and RM?

RM - 25%
WJ - 10.6%
Wootton - 7%
Whitman - < 5%. doesn't even register

Blair - 39.6%

So, Whitman has such a tiny rate of FARMs students that it doesn't even register, but 16% of their students don't take APs?
While RM has 25% FARMs, and 33% don't take APs.

Doesn't seem all that different to me when you take into account that low income students typically do not take AP exams.

Someone needs to take a class on data analysis.

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Anonymous wrote:Another statistic. It also means that 30% of RM students taking AP/IB's are with the magnet. If we remove the IB Magnet from RM, this means that 42% of non-magnet graduates do not take an AP exam at all.

The magnet program similarly boosts the High School statistics at Blair. Blair has approximately 400 (100 / year) magnet program students. This means that 263 non-magnet students took AP exams out of 592 non-magnet graduates. This means that when you subtract out the Magnet program from Blair HS, 56% of the students didn't take an AP exam.

This seems to contradict the MCPS narrative that "equity" can be served by lowering magnet standards to 85% lottery (from 98-99%). Why? If making instruction accessible didn't work at Blair, why would lowering the Magnet qualification standards help?

Most of the schools are the same in terms of curriculum. There are two things that make a difference:

1. programs offered
2. SES/income level of the families

Yes, RM and Blair are fortunate enough to have magnet programs. Yes, it helps raise the test scores of the school (#1). But, having a lot of UMC, educated families in the W schools also help raise the test scores (#2).

IMO, RM has both the magnet, and a good number of UMC families.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Another statistic. It also means that 30% of RM students taking AP/IB's are with the magnet. If we remove the IB Magnet from RM, this means that 42% of non-magnet graduates do not take an AP exam at all.

The magnet program similarly boosts the High School statistics at Blair. Blair has approximately 400 (100 / year) magnet program students. This means that 263 non-magnet students took AP exams out of 592 non-magnet graduates. This means that when you subtract out the Magnet program from Blair HS, 56% of the students didn't take an AP exam.

This seems to contradict the MCPS narrative that "equity" can be served by lowering magnet standards to 85% lottery (from 98-99%). Why? If making instruction accessible didn't work at Blair, why would lowering the Magnet qualification standards help?

It makes far less of a difference than you seem to imagine. It's a small magnet within a large school.

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Anonymous wrote:Another statistic. It also means that 30% of RM students taking AP/IB's are with the magnet. If we remove the IB Magnet from RM, this means that 42% of non-magnet graduates do not take an AP exam at all.

The magnet program similarly boosts the High School statistics at Blair. Blair has approximately 400 (100 / year) magnet program students. This means that 263 non-magnet students took AP exams out of 592 non-magnet graduates. This means that when you subtract out the Magnet program from Blair HS, 56% of the students didn't take an AP exam.

This seems to contradict the MCPS narrative that "equity" can be served by lowering magnet standards to 85% lottery (from 98-99%). Why? If making instruction accessible didn't work at Blair, why would lowering the Magnet qualification standards help?

Most of the schools are the same in terms of curriculum. There are two things that make a difference:

1. programs offered
2. SES/income level of the families

Yes, RM and Blair are fortunate enough to have magnet programs. Yes, it helps raise the test scores of the school (#1). But, having a lot of UMC, educated families in the W schools also help raise the test scores (#2).

IMO, RM has both the magnet, and a good number of UMC families.

Both of my kids went to Bliar. One was in the magnet the other took around 12 APs and an additional 6 magnet classes which are AP caliber. These wouldn't have even been available at other schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Excellent academics!

I looked at the SAT averages by the demographic cohort that was posted here a while back and although Wooton does okay it's hardly the top school at least for kids.It is definitely in the top 5 though.

Raw SAT score means different things to different people and just because an average SAT score is higher does not necessarily translate into college readiness. Ex. a school could have more 504 or Special Needs programs than another.

Lotus prep does a nice analysis of the best high schools in the greater Washington DC area, both private and public, ranked by SAT. https://www.lotusprep.com/best-high-schools-dc/. They weight 3 (meaningful) factors equally: Average SAT (math and critical reading), Average number of Presidential Scholar candidates, Average number of National Merit Scholarship semi-finalists. Not sure why Poolesville wasn't counted, but it may have just been an oversight? Only two schools were "outliers" (the others "clustered" within a statistically significant range); although it will be interesting to see if Blair drops in future years due to the "lottery system" impact. Wootton was the lowest on this ranking (e.g. fewest National Merit Scholarship semi-finalists, Presidential Scholar candidates, SAT average).

Your data seems to be off, here's the summary and citation, but TLDR the largest common cohort to these schools had the following:

Blair 1326
Walter Johnson 1275
Wootton 1262
Churchill 1257

ttps://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2017/1771102HS%20Princ_SAT%20Partic_Perf%20Class%20of%202017.pdf

Thanks for clearing this up and providing a reliable citation!

Sorry. You folks are easliy fooled, aren't you. Both are accurate. The poster just misread the data. These are two types of documents using very different calculations. Let's use everyone's favorite school (Blair) as an example).

Table B1a. Number of Advanced Placement Exams Taken by MCPS Students and Number and Percentage of Advanced Placement Exam Scores of 3 or Higher in 2018 and 2019 by High School and Race/Ethnicity
2018 86.9%
2019 87.1%
https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2019/191219%20HS%20Princ_2019_AP_IB_Exams.dh.pdf

% of Graduates Scoring 3 or Higher on AP Test or Scoring 4 or Higher on IB Test
2019–2020 52.5%
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04757.pdf
2020-2021 56.5%
https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04757.pdf

The difference is the first set of numbers is calculated by the number of exams taken divided by the number of exams 3 or more (passing). The second set of numbers is calculated most likely by student (unless you believe a HS dropped 30% in a single year?).

In other words, MCPS boosted the numbers in Table B1a by showing the number of exams taken and passed (regardless of the number of students taking AP's). As we all know, it's common that a single student takes more than one AP exam. However, when you look at how many students took AP exams versus not at all, that is the better indication of academic success at a High School. That's what the 50'ish% show.

Now, remove the magnet kids from Blair (taking multiple AP exams), and I think you'll get a better picture of the school's non-magnet academic environment overall.

Yes looking at my children's cohort (we aren't asian) I think maybe 8% of the test takers were magnet students so that had very little impact.

I noticed you said "8% of all test takers", not of all students. MCPS only reported tests taken, not how many students took exams (versus the kids that were suspended, dropped, didn't take AP exams, etc.) And now many tests did each "test taker" take? A magnet student taking 3 or more (which is common for Magnet students, some who take 5+), will heavily skew the percentages you'll see posted. Also 100% of the magnet students should be taking 3 or more exams (otherwise why would they be in the magnet program at all?). Remove the magnet numbers from Blair and you'll see the difference.

I previously posted the # of students receiving a passing AP score at RM. It is in the same packet of reports. See upthread. 500 magnet students (at least 100 of those are in-bounds) and the number passing AP exams was in the 900s. So majority of the kids are living inside the boundaries of RM.

If you're going to post RM data, please at least post accurate RM data.
"Richard Montgomery High School’s Magnet Program is an IB continuum model recognized for its excellence throughout the world. Each year the school accepts approximately 125 students from a pool of over 1,000 applicants countywide." (your figure of 500 is for Freshman, Sophomore, Junior, and HS. Approximately 20% of the RM class is in Magnet.)
"For the May 2021 AP exams, Richard Montgomery administered 2,078 exams to 1,028 students."
https://www2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/schools/high-schools/r-w/rmhs/ib/2021-2022-rm-electronic.clubs--9.30.21.docx.pdf
"Number of Graduates: 629" "Number of Graduates Scoring 3+ on AP, 4+ on IB: 416"
https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04201.pdf

This means about 1/3 (33%) of a RM graduating class doesn't even take an AP/IB exam at all (which is still better than Blair 44%, but worse than Churchill 22%, Poolesville 24%, Whitman 16%, WJ 29%, Wootton 22%).

What's the FARMs rate at Whitman and Wootton and RM?

RM - 25%
WJ - 10.6%
Wootton - 7%
Whitman - < 5%. doesn't even register

Blair - 39.6%

So, Whitman has such a tiny rate of FARMs students that it doesn't even register, but 16% of their students don't take APs?
While RM has 25% FARMs, and 33% don't take APs.

Doesn't seem all that different to me when you take into account that low income students typically do not take AP exams.

Someone needs to take a class on data analysis.

They need to speed up the boundary study to help diversify these W schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Excellent academics!

I looked at the SAT averages by the demographic cohort that was posted here a while back and although Wooton does okay it's hardly the top school at least for kids.It is definitely in the top 5 though.

Raw SAT score means different things to different people and just because an average SAT score is higher does not necessarily translate into college readiness. Ex. a school could have more 504 or Special Needs programs than another.

Lotus prep does a nice analysis of the best high schools in the greater Washington DC area, both private and public, ranked by SAT. https://www.lotusprep.com/best-high-schools-dc/. They weight 3 (meaningful) factors equally: Average SAT (math and critical reading), Average number of Presidential Scholar candidates, Average number of National Merit Scholarship semi-finalists. Not sure why Poolesville wasn't counted, but it may have just been an oversight? Only two schools were "outliers" (the others "clustered" within a statistically significant range); although it will be interesting to see if Blair drops in future years due to the "lottery system" impact. Wootton was the lowest on this ranking (e.g. fewest National Merit Scholarship semi-finalists, Presidential Scholar candidates, SAT average).

Your data seems to be off, here's the summary and citation, but TLDR the largest common cohort to these schools had the following:

Blair 1326
Walter Johnson 1275
Wootton 1262
Churchill 1257

ttps://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2017/1771102HS%20Princ_SAT%20Partic_Perf%20Class%20of%202017.pdf

Thanks for clearing this up and providing a reliable citation!

Sorry. You folks are easliy fooled, aren't you. Both are accurate. The poster just misread the data. These are two types of documents using very different calculations. Let's use everyone's favorite school (Blair) as an example).

Table B1a. Number of Advanced Placement Exams Taken by MCPS Students and Number and Percentage of Advanced Placement Exam Scores of 3 or Higher in 2018 and 2019 by High School and Race/Ethnicity
2018 86.9%
2019 87.1%
https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2019/191219%20HS%20Princ_2019_AP_IB_Exams.dh.pdf

% of Graduates Scoring 3 or Higher on AP Test or Scoring 4 or Higher on IB Test
2019–2020 52.5%
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04757.pdf
2020-2021 56.5%
https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04757.pdf

The difference is the first set of numbers is calculated by the number of exams taken divided by the number of exams 3 or more (passing). The second set of numbers is calculated most likely by student (unless you believe a HS dropped 30% in a single year?).

In other words, MCPS boosted the numbers in Table B1a by showing the number of exams taken and passed (regardless of the number of students taking AP's). As we all know, it's common that a single student takes more than one AP exam. However, when you look at how many students took AP exams versus not at all, that is the better indication of academic success at a High School. That's what the 50'ish% show.

Now, remove the magnet kids from Blair (taking multiple AP exams), and I think you'll get a better picture of the school's non-magnet academic environment overall.

Yes looking at my children's cohort (we aren't asian) I think maybe 8% of the test takers were magnet students so that had very little impact.

I noticed you said "8% of all test takers", not of all students. MCPS only reported tests taken, not how many students took exams (versus the kids that were suspended, dropped, didn't take AP exams, etc.) And now many tests did each "test taker" take? A magnet student taking 3 or more (which is common for Magnet students, some who take 5+), will heavily skew the percentages you'll see posted. Also 100% of the magnet students should be taking 3 or more exams (otherwise why would they be in the magnet program at all?). Remove the magnet numbers from Blair and you'll see the difference.

I previously posted the # of students receiving a passing AP score at RM. It is in the same packet of reports. See upthread. 500 magnet students (at least 100 of those are in-bounds) and the number passing AP exams was in the 900s. So majority of the kids are living inside the boundaries of RM.

If you're going to post RM data, please at least post accurate RM data.
"Richard Montgomery High School’s Magnet Program is an IB continuum model recognized for its excellence throughout the world. Each year the school accepts approximately 125 students from a pool of over 1,000 applicants countywide." (your figure of 500 is for Freshman, Sophomore, Junior, and HS. Approximately 20% of the RM class is in Magnet.)
"For the May 2021 AP exams, Richard Montgomery administered 2,078 exams to 1,028 students."
https://www2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/schools/high-schools/r-w/rmhs/ib/2021-2022-rm-electronic.clubs--9.30.21.docx.pdf
"Number of Graduates: 629" "Number of Graduates Scoring 3+ on AP, 4+ on IB: 416"
https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04201.pdf

This means about 1/3 (33%) of a RM graduating class doesn't even take an AP/IB exam at all (which is still better than Blair 44%, but worse than Churchill 22%, Poolesville 24%, Whitman 16%, WJ 29%, Wootton 22%).

What's the FARMs rate at Whitman and Wootton and RM?

RM - 25%
WJ - 10.6%
Wootton - 7%
Whitman - < 5%. doesn't even register

Blair - 39.6%

So, Whitman has such a tiny rate of FARMs students that it doesn't even register, but 16% of their students don't take APs?
While RM has 25% FARMs, and 33% don't take APs.

Doesn't seem all that different to me when you take into account that low income students typically do not take AP exams.

Someone needs to take a class on data analysis.

They need to speed up the boundary study to help diversify these W schools.

It is funny that there really is no "majority" race in Montgomery County (White 42.9%, Hispanic or Latino 20.1%, Black or African American, 20.1%, Asian, 15.6%), so I don't know why anyone would be sick enough to count children by the color of their skin and count them out like animals?

Besides, Wolffe and McKnight would never dare mess with Churchill or Whitman. That would be political suicide.

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Anonymous wrote:Excellent academics!

I looked at the SAT averages by the demographic cohort that was posted here a while back and although Wooton does okay it's hardly the top school at least for kids.It is definitely in the top 5 though.

Raw SAT score means different things to different people and just because an average SAT score is higher does not necessarily translate into college readiness. Ex. a school could have more 504 or Special Needs programs than another.

Lotus prep does a nice analysis of the best high schools in the greater Washington DC area, both private and public, ranked by SAT. https://www.lotusprep.com/best-high-schools-dc/. They weight 3 (meaningful) factors equally: Average SAT (math and critical reading), Average number of Presidential Scholar candidates, Average number of National Merit Scholarship semi-finalists. Not sure why Poolesville wasn't counted, but it may have just been an oversight? Only two schools were "outliers" (the others "clustered" within a statistically significant range); although it will be interesting to see if Blair drops in future years due to the "lottery system" impact. Wootton was the lowest on this ranking (e.g. fewest National Merit Scholarship semi-finalists, Presidential Scholar candidates, SAT average).

Your data seems to be off, here's the summary and citation, but TLDR the largest common cohort to these schools had the following:

Blair 1326
Walter Johnson 1275
Wootton 1262
Churchill 1257

ttps://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2017/1771102HS%20Princ_SAT%20Partic_Perf%20Class%20of%202017.pdf

Thanks for clearing this up and providing a reliable citation!

Sorry. You folks are easliy fooled, aren't you. Both are accurate. The poster just misread the data. These are two types of documents using very different calculations. Let's use everyone's favorite school (Blair) as an example).

Table B1a. Number of Advanced Placement Exams Taken by MCPS Students and Number and Percentage of Advanced Placement Exam Scores of 3 or Higher in 2018 and 2019 by High School and Race/Ethnicity
2018 86.9%
2019 87.1%
https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2019/191219%20HS%20Princ_2019_AP_IB_Exams.dh.pdf

% of Graduates Scoring 3 or Higher on AP Test or Scoring 4 or Higher on IB Test
2019–2020 52.5%
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04757.pdf
2020-2021 56.5%
https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04757.pdf

The difference is the first set of numbers is calculated by the number of exams taken divided by the number of exams 3 or more (passing). The second set of numbers is calculated most likely by student (unless you believe a HS dropped 30% in a single year?).

In other words, MCPS boosted the numbers in Table B1a by showing the number of exams taken and passed (regardless of the number of students taking AP's). As we all know, it's common that a single student takes more than one AP exam. However, when you look at how many students took AP exams versus not at all, that is the better indication of academic success at a High School. That's what the 50'ish% show.

Now, remove the magnet kids from Blair (taking multiple AP exams), and I think you'll get a better picture of the school's non-magnet academic environment overall.

Yes looking at my children's cohort (we aren't asian) I think maybe 8% of the test takers were magnet students so that had very little impact.

I noticed you said "8% of all test takers", not of all students. MCPS only reported tests taken, not how many students took exams (versus the kids that were suspended, dropped, didn't take AP exams, etc.) And now many tests did each "test taker" take? A magnet student taking 3 or more (which is common for Magnet students, some who take 5+), will heavily skew the percentages you'll see posted. Also 100% of the magnet students should be taking 3 or more exams (otherwise why would they be in the magnet program at all?). Remove the magnet numbers from Blair and you'll see the difference.

I previously posted the # of students receiving a passing AP score at RM. It is in the same packet of reports. See upthread. 500 magnet students (at least 100 of those are in-bounds) and the number passing AP exams was in the 900s. So majority of the kids are living inside the boundaries of RM.

If you're going to post RM data, please at least post accurate RM data.
"Richard Montgomery High School’s Magnet Program is an IB continuum model recognized for its excellence throughout the world. Each year the school accepts approximately 125 students from a pool of over 1,000 applicants countywide." (your figure of 500 is for Freshman, Sophomore, Junior, and HS. Approximately 20% of the RM class is in Magnet.)
"For the May 2021 AP exams, Richard Montgomery administered 2,078 exams to 1,028 students."
https://www2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/schools/high-schools/r-w/rmhs/ib/2021-2022-rm-electronic.clubs--9.30.21.docx.pdf
"Number of Graduates: 629" "Number of Graduates Scoring 3+ on AP, 4+ on IB: 416"
https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04201.pdf

This means about 1/3 (33%) of a RM graduating class doesn't even take an AP/IB exam at all (which is still better than Blair 44%, but worse than Churchill 22%, Poolesville 24%, Whitman 16%, WJ 29%, Wootton 22%).

What's the FARMs rate at Whitman and Wootton and RM?

RM - 25%
WJ - 10.6%
Wootton - 7%
Whitman - < 5%. doesn't even register

Blair - 39.6%

So, Whitman has such a tiny rate of FARMs students that it doesn't even register, but 16% of their students don't take APs?
While RM has 25% FARMs, and 33% don't take APs.

Doesn't seem all that different to me when you take into account that low income students typically do not take AP exams.

Someone needs to take a class on data analysis.

They need to speed up the boundary study to help diversify these W schools.

It is funny that there really is no "majority" race in Montgomery County (White 42.9%, Hispanic or Latino 20.1%, Black or African American, 20.1%, Asian, 15.6%), so I don't know why anyone would be sick enough to count children by the color of their skin and count them out like animals?

Besides, Wolffe and McKnight would never dare mess with Churchill or Whitman. That would be political suicide.

NP. The commenter you quoted was referring to SES and not race/ethnicity.

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Anonymous wrote:Excellent academics!

I looked at the SAT averages by the demographic cohort that was posted here a while back and although Wooton does okay it's hardly the top school at least for kids.It is definitely in the top 5 though.

Raw SAT score means different things to different people and just because an average SAT score is higher does not necessarily translate into college readiness. Ex. a school could have more 504 or Special Needs programs than another.

Lotus prep does a nice analysis of the best high schools in the greater Washington DC area, both private and public, ranked by SAT. https://www.lotusprep.com/best-high-schools-dc/. They weight 3 (meaningful) factors equally: Average SAT (math and critical reading), Average number of Presidential Scholar candidates, Average number of National Merit Scholarship semi-finalists. Not sure why Poolesville wasn't counted, but it may have just been an oversight? Only two schools were "outliers" (the others "clustered" within a statistically significant range); although it will be interesting to see if Blair drops in future years due to the "lottery system" impact. Wootton was the lowest on this ranking (e.g. fewest National Merit Scholarship semi-finalists, Presidential Scholar candidates, SAT average).

Your data seems to be off, here's the summary and citation, but TLDR the largest common cohort to these schools had the following:

Blair 1326
Walter Johnson 1275
Wootton 1262
Churchill 1257

ttps://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2017/1771102HS%20Princ_SAT%20Partic_Perf%20Class%20of%202017.pdf

Thanks for clearing this up and providing a reliable citation!

Sorry. You folks are easliy fooled, aren't you. Both are accurate. The poster just misread the data. These are two types of documents using very different calculations. Let's use everyone's favorite school (Blair) as an example).

Table B1a. Number of Advanced Placement Exams Taken by MCPS Students and Number and Percentage of Advanced Placement Exam Scores of 3 or Higher in 2018 and 2019 by High School and Race/Ethnicity
2018 86.9%
2019 87.1%
https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2019/191219%20HS%20Princ_2019_AP_IB_Exams.dh.pdf

% of Graduates Scoring 3 or Higher on AP Test or Scoring 4 or Higher on IB Test
2019–2020 52.5%
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04757.pdf
2020-2021 56.5%
https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04757.pdf

The difference is the first set of numbers is calculated by the number of exams taken divided by the number of exams 3 or more (passing). The second set of numbers is calculated most likely by student (unless you believe a HS dropped 30% in a single year?).

In other words, MCPS boosted the numbers in Table B1a by showing the number of exams taken and passed (regardless of the number of students taking AP's). As we all know, it's common that a single student takes more than one AP exam. However, when you look at how many students took AP exams versus not at all, that is the better indication of academic success at a High School. That's what the 50'ish% show.

Now, remove the magnet kids from Blair (taking multiple AP exams), and I think you'll get a better picture of the school's non-magnet academic environment overall.

Yes looking at my children's cohort (we aren't asian) I think maybe 8% of the test takers were magnet students so that had very little impact.

I noticed you said "8% of all test takers", not of all students. MCPS only reported tests taken, not how many students took exams (versus the kids that were suspended, dropped, didn't take AP exams, etc.) And now many tests did each "test taker" take? A magnet student taking 3 or more (which is common for Magnet students, some who take 5+), will heavily skew the percentages you'll see posted. Also 100% of the magnet students should be taking 3 or more exams (otherwise why would they be in the magnet program at all?). Remove the magnet numbers from Blair and you'll see the difference.

I previously posted the # of students receiving a passing AP score at RM. It is in the same packet of reports. See upthread. 500 magnet students (at least 100 of those are in-bounds) and the number passing AP exams was in the 900s. So majority of the kids are living inside the boundaries of RM.

If you're going to post RM data, please at least post accurate RM data.
"Richard Montgomery High School’s Magnet Program is an IB continuum model recognized for its excellence throughout the world. Each year the school accepts approximately 125 students from a pool of over 1,000 applicants countywide." (your figure of 500 is for Freshman, Sophomore, Junior, and HS. Approximately 20% of the RM class is in Magnet.)
"For the May 2021 AP exams, Richard Montgomery administered 2,078 exams to 1,028 students."
https://www2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/schools/high-schools/r-w/rmhs/ib/2021-2022-rm-electronic.clubs--9.30.21.docx.pdf
"Number of Graduates: 629" "Number of Graduates Scoring 3+ on AP, 4+ on IB: 416"
https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04201.pdf

This means about 1/3 (33%) of a RM graduating class doesn't even take an AP/IB exam at all (which is still better than Blair 44%, but worse than Churchill 22%, Poolesville 24%, Whitman 16%, WJ 29%, Wootton 22%).

What's the FARMs rate at Whitman and Wootton and RM?

RM - 25%
WJ - 10.6%
Wootton - 7%
Whitman - < 5%. doesn't even register

Blair - 39.6%

So, Whitman has such a tiny rate of FARMs students that it doesn't even register, but 16% of their students don't take APs?
While RM has 25% FARMs, and 33% don't take APs.

Doesn't seem all that different to me when you take into account that low income students typically do not take AP exams.

Someone needs to take a class on data analysis.

They need to speed up the boundary study to help diversify these W schools.

It is funny that there really is no "majority" race in Montgomery County (White 42.9%, Hispanic or Latino 20.1%, Black or African American, 20.1%, Asian, 15.6%), so I don't know why anyone would be sick enough to count children by the color of their skin and count them out like animals?

Besides, Wolffe and McKnight would never dare mess with Churchill or Whitman. That would be political suicide.

NP. The commenter you quoted was referring to SES and not race/ethnicity.

But the poor people need to go to the great school that Blair is, that why they all live over there. You don’t want to pull them out of Blair and Einstein which everybody loves. Leave them there

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Anonymous wrote:Another statistic. It also means that 30% of RM students taking AP/IB's are with the magnet. If we remove the IB Magnet from RM, this means that 42% of non-magnet graduates do not take an AP exam at all.

The magnet program similarly boosts the High School statistics at Blair. Blair has approximately 400 (100 / year) magnet program students. This means that 263 non-magnet students took AP exams out of 592 non-magnet graduates. This means that when you subtract out the Magnet program from Blair HS, 56% of the students didn't take an AP exam.

This seems to contradict the MCPS narrative that "equity" can be served by lowering magnet standards to 85% lottery (from 98-99%). Why? If making instruction accessible didn't work at Blair, why would lowering the Magnet qualification standards help?

Blair parents talk about cohort but they don’t like to talk about that 80% of the school is a much lower cohort and more than half of the good cohort is bussed in. But they will still brag on their SAT scores even if the school it’s self has bottom of the pack scores. But it is good they are proud of the scraps they are given, makes their short comings easier to swallow.

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Anonymous wrote:Excellent academics!

I looked at the SAT averages by the demographic cohort that was posted here a while back and although Wooton does okay it's hardly the top school at least for kids.It is definitely in the top 5 though.

Raw SAT score means different things to different people and just because an average SAT score is higher does not necessarily translate into college readiness. Ex. a school could have more 504 or Special Needs programs than another.

Lotus prep does a nice analysis of the best high schools in the greater Washington DC area, both private and public, ranked by SAT. https://www.lotusprep.com/best-high-schools-dc/. They weight 3 (meaningful) factors equally: Average SAT (math and critical reading), Average number of Presidential Scholar candidates, Average number of National Merit Scholarship semi-finalists. Not sure why Poolesville wasn't counted, but it may have just been an oversight? Only two schools were "outliers" (the others "clustered" within a statistically significant range); although it will be interesting to see if Blair drops in future years due to the "lottery system" impact. Wootton was the lowest on this ranking (e.g. fewest National Merit Scholarship semi-finalists, Presidential Scholar candidates, SAT average).

Your data seems to be off, here's the summary and citation, but TLDR the largest common cohort to these schools had the following:

Blair 1326
Walter Johnson 1275
Wootton 1262
Churchill 1257

ttps://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2017/1771102HS%20Princ_SAT%20Partic_Perf%20Class%20of%202017.pdf

Thanks for clearing this up and providing a reliable citation!

Sorry. You folks are easliy fooled, aren't you. Both are accurate. The poster just misread the data. These are two types of documents using very different calculations. Let's use everyone's favorite school (Blair) as an example).

Table B1a. Number of Advanced Placement Exams Taken by MCPS Students and Number and Percentage of Advanced Placement Exam Scores of 3 or Higher in 2018 and 2019 by High School and Race/Ethnicity
2018 86.9%
2019 87.1%
https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2019/191219%20HS%20Princ_2019_AP_IB_Exams.dh.pdf

% of Graduates Scoring 3 or Higher on AP Test or Scoring 4 or Higher on IB Test
2019–2020 52.5%
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04757.pdf
2020-2021 56.5%
https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04757.pdf

The difference is the first set of numbers is calculated by the number of exams taken divided by the number of exams 3 or more (passing). The second set of numbers is calculated most likely by student (unless you believe a HS dropped 30% in a single year?).

In other words, MCPS boosted the numbers in Table B1a by showing the number of exams taken and passed (regardless of the number of students taking AP's). As we all know, it's common that a single student takes more than one AP exam. However, when you look at how many students took AP exams versus not at all, that is the better indication of academic success at a High School. That's what the 50'ish% show.

Now, remove the magnet kids from Blair (taking multiple AP exams), and I think you'll get a better picture of the school's non-magnet academic environment overall.

Yes looking at my children's cohort (we aren't asian) I think maybe 8% of the test takers were magnet students so that had very little impact.

I noticed you said "8% of all test takers", not of all students. MCPS only reported tests taken, not how many students took exams (versus the kids that were suspended, dropped, didn't take AP exams, etc.) And now many tests did each "test taker" take? A magnet student taking 3 or more (which is common for Magnet students, some who take 5+), will heavily skew the percentages you'll see posted. Also 100% of the magnet students should be taking 3 or more exams (otherwise why would they be in the magnet program at all?). Remove the magnet numbers from Blair and you'll see the difference.

I previously posted the # of students receiving a passing AP score at RM. It is in the same packet of reports. See upthread. 500 magnet students (at least 100 of those are in-bounds) and the number passing AP exams was in the 900s. So majority of the kids are living inside the boundaries of RM.

If you're going to post RM data, please at least post accurate RM data.
"Richard Montgomery High School’s Magnet Program is an IB continuum model recognized for its excellence throughout the world. Each year the school accepts approximately 125 students from a pool of over 1,000 applicants countywide." (your figure of 500 is for Freshman, Sophomore, Junior, and HS. Approximately 20% of the RM class is in Magnet.)
"For the May 2021 AP exams, Richard Montgomery administered 2,078 exams to 1,028 students."
https://www2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/schools/high-schools/r-w/rmhs/ib/2021-2022-rm-electronic.clubs--9.30.21.docx.pdf
"Number of Graduates: 629" "Number of Graduates Scoring 3+ on AP, 4+ on IB: 416"
https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04201.pdf

This means about 1/3 (33%) of a RM graduating class doesn't even take an AP/IB exam at all (which is still better than Blair 44%, but worse than Churchill 22%, Poolesville 24%, Whitman 16%, WJ 29%, Wootton 22%).

What's the FARMs rate at Whitman and Wootton and RM?

RM - 25%
WJ - 10.6%
Wootton - 7%
Whitman - < 5%. doesn't even register

Blair - 39.6%

So, Whitman has such a tiny rate of FARMs students that it doesn't even register, but 16% of their students don't take APs?
While RM has 25% FARMs, and 33% don't take APs.

Doesn't seem all that different to me when you take into account that low income students typically do not take AP exams.

Someone needs to take a class on data analysis.

They need to speed up the boundary study to help diversify these W schools.

It is funny that there really is no "majority" race in Montgomery County (White 42.9%, Hispanic or Latino 20.1%, Black or African American, 20.1%, Asian, 15.6%), so I don't know why anyone would be sick enough to count children by the color of their skin and count them out like animals?

Besides, Wolffe and McKnight would never dare mess with Churchill or Whitman. That would be political suicide.

Newsflash the public school population is a bit different than the stats you just shared. The largest demographic is Latino. Wolfe and McKnight should fix the boundaries of the segregated schools. They would probably have parks named after them since the vast majority of people are tired of these privileged conclaves.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Another statistic. It also means that 30% of RM students taking AP/IB's are with the magnet. If we remove the IB Magnet from RM, this means that 42% of non-magnet graduates do not take an AP exam at all.

The magnet program similarly boosts the High School statistics at Blair. Blair has approximately 400 (100 / year) magnet program students. This means that 263 non-magnet students took AP exams out of 592 non-magnet graduates. This means that when you subtract out the Magnet program from Blair HS, 56% of the students didn't take an AP exam.

This seems to contradict the MCPS narrative that "equity" can be served by lowering magnet standards to 85% lottery (from 98-99%). Why? If making instruction accessible didn't work at Blair, why would lowering the Magnet qualification standards help?

Blair parents talk about cohort but they don’t like to talk about that 80% of the school is a much lower cohort and more than half of the good cohort is bussed in. But they will still brag on their SAT scores even if the school it’s self has bottom of the pack scores. But it is good they are proud of the scraps they are given, makes their short comings easier to swallow.

I don't like Blair. I think it's overrated. Overcrowded. We are zoned and picked a different school.

But what's wrong with you? Who talks about children like this? "Lower cohort? Scraps?" Seriously, what?

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Anonymous wrote:Excellent academics!

I looked at the SAT averages by the demographic cohort that was posted here a while back and although Wooton does okay it's hardly the top school at least for kids.It is definitely in the top 5 though.

Raw SAT score means different things to different people and just because an average SAT score is higher does not necessarily translate into college readiness. Ex. a school could have more 504 or Special Needs programs than another.

Lotus prep does a nice analysis of the best high schools in the greater Washington DC area, both private and public, ranked by SAT. https://www.lotusprep.com/best-high-schools-dc/. They weight 3 (meaningful) factors equally: Average SAT (math and critical reading), Average number of Presidential Scholar candidates, Average number of National Merit Scholarship semi-finalists. Not sure why Poolesville wasn't counted, but it may have just been an oversight? Only two schools were "outliers" (the others "clustered" within a statistically significant range); although it will be interesting to see if Blair drops in future years due to the "lottery system" impact. Wootton was the lowest on this ranking (e.g. fewest National Merit Scholarship semi-finalists, Presidential Scholar candidates, SAT average).

Your data seems to be off, here's the summary and citation, but TLDR the largest common cohort to these schools had the following:

Blair 1326
Walter Johnson 1275
Wootton 1262
Churchill 1257

ttps://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2017/1771102HS%20Princ_SAT%20Partic_Perf%20Class%20of%202017.pdf

Thanks for clearing this up and providing a reliable citation!

Sorry. You folks are easliy fooled, aren't you. Both are accurate. The poster just misread the data. These are two types of documents using very different calculations. Let's use everyone's favorite school (Blair) as an example).

Table B1a. Number of Advanced Placement Exams Taken by MCPS Students and Number and Percentage of Advanced Placement Exam Scores of 3 or Higher in 2018 and 2019 by High School and Race/Ethnicity
2018 86.9%
2019 87.1%
https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2019/191219%20HS%20Princ_2019_AP_IB_Exams.dh.pdf

% of Graduates Scoring 3 or Higher on AP Test or Scoring 4 or Higher on IB Test
2019–2020 52.5%
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04757.pdf
2020-2021 56.5%
https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04757.pdf

The difference is the first set of numbers is calculated by the number of exams taken divided by the number of exams 3 or more (passing). The second set of numbers is calculated most likely by student (unless you believe a HS dropped 30% in a single year?).

In other words, MCPS boosted the numbers in Table B1a by showing the number of exams taken and passed (regardless of the number of students taking AP's). As we all know, it's common that a single student takes more than one AP exam. However, when you look at how many students took AP exams versus not at all, that is the better indication of academic success at a High School. That's what the 50'ish% show.

Now, remove the magnet kids from Blair (taking multiple AP exams), and I think you'll get a better picture of the school's non-magnet academic environment overall.

Yes looking at my children's cohort (we aren't asian) I think maybe 8% of the test takers were magnet students so that had very little impact.

I noticed you said "8% of all test takers", not of all students. MCPS only reported tests taken, not how many students took exams (versus the kids that were suspended, dropped, didn't take AP exams, etc.) And now many tests did each "test taker" take? A magnet student taking 3 or more (which is common for Magnet students, some who take 5+), will heavily skew the percentages you'll see posted. Also 100% of the magnet students should be taking 3 or more exams (otherwise why would they be in the magnet program at all?). Remove the magnet numbers from Blair and you'll see the difference.

I previously posted the # of students receiving a passing AP score at RM. It is in the same packet of reports. See upthread. 500 magnet students (at least 100 of those are in-bounds) and the number passing AP exams was in the 900s. So majority of the kids are living inside the boundaries of RM.

If you're going to post RM data, please at least post accurate RM data.
"Richard Montgomery High School’s Magnet Program is an IB continuum model recognized for its excellence throughout the world. Each year the school accepts approximately 125 students from a pool of over 1,000 applicants countywide." (your figure of 500 is for Freshman, Sophomore, Junior, and HS. Approximately 20% of the RM class is in Magnet.)
"For the May 2021 AP exams, Richard Montgomery administered 2,078 exams to 1,028 students."
https://www2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/schools/high-schools/r-w/rmhs/ib/2021-2022-rm-electronic.clubs--9.30.21.docx.pdf
"Number of Graduates: 629" "Number of Graduates Scoring 3+ on AP, 4+ on IB: 416"
https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04201.pdf

This means about 1/3 (33%) of a RM graduating class doesn't even take an AP/IB exam at all (which is still better than Blair 44%, but worse than Churchill 22%, Poolesville 24%, Whitman 16%, WJ 29%, Wootton 22%).

What's the FARMs rate at Whitman and Wootton and RM?

RM - 25%
WJ - 10.6%
Wootton - 7%
Whitman - < 5%. doesn't even register

Blair - 39.6%

So, Whitman has such a tiny rate of FARMs students that it doesn't even register, but 16% of their students don't take APs?
While RM has 25% FARMs, and 33% don't take APs.

Doesn't seem all that different to me when you take into account that low income students typically do not take AP exams.

Someone needs to take a class on data analysis.

They need to speed up the boundary study to help diversify these W schools.

It is funny that there really is no "majority" race in Montgomery County (White 42.9%, Hispanic or Latino 20.1%, Black or African American, 20.1%, Asian, 15.6%), so I don't know why anyone would be sick enough to count children by the color of their skin and count them out like animals?

Besides, Wolffe and McKnight would never dare mess with Churchill or Whitman. That would be political suicide.

Newsflash the public school population is a bit different than the stats you just shared. The largest demographic is Latino. Wolfe and McKnight should fix the boundaries of the segregated schools. They would probably have parks named after them since the vast majority of people are tired of these privileged conclaves.

"Fix" the boundaries? "privileged enclaves" (you're using a word you can't even properly spell?)

I think it's way more likely that high-SES families concerned about education would just look elsewhere and move (ex. Howard County) - taking their tax dollars with them.

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Anonymous wrote:Excellent academics!

I looked at the SAT averages by the demographic cohort that was posted here a while back and although Wooton does okay it's hardly the top school at least for kids.It is definitely in the top 5 though.

Raw SAT score means different things to different people and just because an average SAT score is higher does not necessarily translate into college readiness. Ex. a school could have more 504 or Special Needs programs than another.

Lotus prep does a nice analysis of the best high schools in the greater Washington DC area, both private and public, ranked by SAT. https://www.lotusprep.com/best-high-schools-dc/. They weight 3 (meaningful) factors equally: Average SAT (math and critical reading), Average number of Presidential Scholar candidates, Average number of National Merit Scholarship semi-finalists. Not sure why Poolesville wasn't counted, but it may have just been an oversight? Only two schools were "outliers" (the others "clustered" within a statistically significant range); although it will be interesting to see if Blair drops in future years due to the "lottery system" impact. Wootton was the lowest on this ranking (e.g. fewest National Merit Scholarship semi-finalists, Presidential Scholar candidates, SAT average).

Your data seems to be off, here's the summary and citation, but TLDR the largest common cohort to these schools had the following:

Blair 1326
Walter Johnson 1275
Wootton 1262
Churchill 1257

ttps://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2017/1771102HS%20Princ_SAT%20Partic_Perf%20Class%20of%202017.pdf

Thanks for clearing this up and providing a reliable citation!

Sorry. You folks are easliy fooled, aren't you. Both are accurate. The poster just misread the data. These are two types of documents using very different calculations. Let's use everyone's favorite school (Blair) as an example).

Table B1a. Number of Advanced Placement Exams Taken by MCPS Students and Number and Percentage of Advanced Placement Exam Scores of 3 or Higher in 2018 and 2019 by High School and Race/Ethnicity
2018 86.9%
2019 87.1%
https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2019/191219%20HS%20Princ_2019_AP_IB_Exams.dh.pdf

% of Graduates Scoring 3 or Higher on AP Test or Scoring 4 or Higher on IB Test
2019–2020 52.5%
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04757.pdf
2020-2021 56.5%
https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04757.pdf

The difference is the first set of numbers is calculated by the number of exams taken divided by the number of exams 3 or more (passing). The second set of numbers is calculated most likely by student (unless you believe a HS dropped 30% in a single year?).

In other words, MCPS boosted the numbers in Table B1a by showing the number of exams taken and passed (regardless of the number of students taking AP's). As we all know, it's common that a single student takes more than one AP exam. However, when you look at how many students took AP exams versus not at all, that is the better indication of academic success at a High School. That's what the 50'ish% show.

Now, remove the magnet kids from Blair (taking multiple AP exams), and I think you'll get a better picture of the school's non-magnet academic environment overall.

Yes looking at my children's cohort (we aren't asian) I think maybe 8% of the test takers were magnet students so that had very little impact.

I noticed you said "8% of all test takers", not of all students. MCPS only reported tests taken, not how many students took exams (versus the kids that were suspended, dropped, didn't take AP exams, etc.) And now many tests did each "test taker" take? A magnet student taking 3 or more (which is common for Magnet students, some who take 5+), will heavily skew the percentages you'll see posted. Also 100% of the magnet students should be taking 3 or more exams (otherwise why would they be in the magnet program at all?). Remove the magnet numbers from Blair and you'll see the difference.

I previously posted the # of students receiving a passing AP score at RM. It is in the same packet of reports. See upthread. 500 magnet students (at least 100 of those are in-bounds) and the number passing AP exams was in the 900s. So majority of the kids are living inside the boundaries of RM.

If you're going to post RM data, please at least post accurate RM data.
"Richard Montgomery High School’s Magnet Program is an IB continuum model recognized for its excellence throughout the world. Each year the school accepts approximately 125 students from a pool of over 1,000 applicants countywide." (your figure of 500 is for Freshman, Sophomore, Junior, and HS. Approximately 20% of the RM class is in Magnet.)
"For the May 2021 AP exams, Richard Montgomery administered 2,078 exams to 1,028 students."
https://www2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/schools/high-schools/r-w/rmhs/ib/2021-2022-rm-electronic.clubs--9.30.21.docx.pdf
"Number of Graduates: 629" "Number of Graduates Scoring 3+ on AP, 4+ on IB: 416"
https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04201.pdf

This means about 1/3 (33%) of a RM graduating class doesn't even take an AP/IB exam at all (which is still better than Blair 44%, but worse than Churchill 22%, Poolesville 24%, Whitman 16%, WJ 29%, Wootton 22%).

What's the FARMs rate at Whitman and Wootton and RM?

RM - 25%
WJ - 10.6%
Wootton - 7%
Whitman - < 5%. doesn't even register

Blair - 39.6%

So, Whitman has such a tiny rate of FARMs students that it doesn't even register, but 16% of their students don't take APs?
While RM has 25% FARMs, and 33% don't take APs.

Doesn't seem all that different to me when you take into account that low income students typically do not take AP exams.

Someone needs to take a class on data analysis.

They need to speed up the boundary study to help diversify these W schools.

It is funny that there really is no "majority" race in Montgomery County (White 42.9%, Hispanic or Latino 20.1%, Black or African American, 20.1%, Asian, 15.6%), so I don't know why anyone would be sick enough to count children by the color of their skin and count them out like animals?

Besides, Wolffe and McKnight would never dare mess with Churchill or Whitman. That would be political suicide.

Newsflash the public school population is a bit different than the stats you just shared. The largest demographic is Latino. Wolfe and McKnight should fix the boundaries of the segregated schools. They would probably have parks named after them since the vast majority of people are tired of these privileged conclaves.

"Fix" the boundaries? "privileged enclaves" (you're using a word you can't even properly spell?)

I think it's way more likely that high-SES families concerned about education would just look elsewhere and move (ex. Howard County) - taking their tax dollars with them.

You mean they haven't moved yet? I have been hearing this from DCUM for the last 10 years at least.

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Anonymous wrote:Asian people are very clannish and most don’t assimilate well. It’s a word of mouth thing involving Wootton. Come to Wootton. Great school. Many Asian here.

I'm skeptical and find this offensive.

+1000 to the first statement.