Why is Wotton HS district favorited by many asian family?

Anonymous
If you're a parent and want to talk about RMIB, don't hijack this thread. If you're an MCPS troll trying to bury the unflattering posts about discrimination against Asians at MCPS - it won't work so give up.
Anonymous
Excellent academics!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Excellent academics!


I looked at the SAT averages by the demographic cohort that was posted here a while back and although Wooton does okay it's hardly the top school at least for kids.It is definitely in the top 5 though.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Excellent academics!


I looked at the SAT averages by the demographic cohort that was posted here a while back and although Wooton does okay it's hardly the top school at least for kids.It is definitely in the top 5 though.


Raw SAT score means different things to different people and just because an average SAT score is higher does not necessarily translate into college readiness. Ex. a school could have more 504 or Special Needs programs than another.

Lotus prep does a nice analysis of the best high schools in the greater Washington DC area, both private and public, ranked by SAT. https://www.lotusprep.com/best-high-schools-dc/. They weight 3 (meaningful) factors equally: Average SAT (math and critical reading), Average number of Presidential Scholar candidates, Average number of National Merit Scholarship semi-finalists. Not sure why Poolesville wasn't counted, but it may have just been an oversight? Only two schools were "outliers" (the others "clustered" within a statistically significant range); although it will be interesting to see if Blair drops in future years due to the "lottery system" impact. Wootton was the lowest on this ranking (e.g. fewest National Merit Scholarship semi-finalists, Presidential Scholar candidates, SAT average).
#14 Walt Whitman 1322
#19 Blair (Magnet only) 1318
#22 Richard Montgomery 1244
#24 Walter Johnson 1289
#25 Churchill 1252
#28 BCC 1250
#30 Wootton 1229

However, relying upon this result alone is deceptive. When looking at the student body overall, Richard Montgomery, Walter Johnson, and BCC fall further down the stack academically when considering the number of students (a) taking more difficult AP/IB classes, and (b) meeting college requirements.

% of Graduates Scoring 3 or Higher on AP Test or Scoring 4 or Higher on IB Test:
Whitman 84.0
Wootton 78.4
Churchill 77.9
Poolesville (whole school) 76.2
Walter Johnson 70.8
BCC 69.6
Richard Montgomery 67.0
Blair (whole school) 52.5

Percent of Students Meeting University System of Maryland Entrance Requirements:
Poolesville (whole school) 84.8%
Churchill 84.5%
Wootton 83.8%
Whitman 81.4%
BCC 71.7%
Walter Johnson 67.1%
Richard Montgomery 65.4%
Blair (whole school) 62.9%

Whitman, Churchill, Wootton (and Poolesville) seem to earn their academic reputations as overall "solid" schools. BCC, WJ, RM, and Blair (excluding the magnet) are still good, just not good overall (more likely pockets of kids).
Anonymous
One side note. The Lotus prep indicated that the average Wootton SAT score was 1229, but according to the document below it was 1297, so maybe it was just a bad year? Hard to tell.

https://www2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/Schools/High-Schools/R-W/woottonhs/uploadedFiles/counseling/School_Profile__Wootton_High_2017-2018.pdf
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Excellent academics!


I looked at the SAT averages by the demographic cohort that was posted here a while back and although Wooton does okay it's hardly the top school at least for kids.It is definitely in the top 5 though.


Raw SAT score means different things to different people and just because an average SAT score is higher does not necessarily translate into college readiness. Ex. a school could have more 504 or Special Needs programs than another.

Lotus prep does a nice analysis of the best high schools in the greater Washington DC area, both private and public, ranked by SAT. https://www.lotusprep.com/best-high-schools-dc/. They weight 3 (meaningful) factors equally: Average SAT (math and critical reading), Average number of Presidential Scholar candidates, Average number of National Merit Scholarship semi-finalists. Not sure why Poolesville wasn't counted, but it may have just been an oversight? Only two schools were "outliers" (the others "clustered" within a statistically significant range); although it will be interesting to see if Blair drops in future years due to the "lottery system" impact. Wootton was the lowest on this ranking (e.g. fewest National Merit Scholarship semi-finalists, Presidential Scholar candidates, SAT average).


Your data seems to be off, here's the summary and citation, but TLDR the largest common cohort to these schools had the following:

Blair 1326
Walter Johnson 1275
Wootton 1262
Churchill 1257

https://beastacademy.com/school/classroom/4/6/704/1

And yes the Blair magnet average was 1520+, but in this cohort only around 30 of the 200 kids were from the magnet.

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Excellent academics!


I looked at the SAT averages by the demographic cohort that was posted here a while back and although Wooton does okay it's hardly the top school at least for kids.It is definitely in the top 5 though.


Raw SAT score means different things to different people and just because an average SAT score is higher does not necessarily translate into college readiness. Ex. a school could have more 504 or Special Needs programs than another.

Lotus prep does a nice analysis of the best high schools in the greater Washington DC area, both private and public, ranked by SAT. https://www.lotusprep.com/best-high-schools-dc/. They weight 3 (meaningful) factors equally: Average SAT (math and critical reading), Average number of Presidential Scholar candidates, Average number of National Merit Scholarship semi-finalists. Not sure why Poolesville wasn't counted, but it may have just been an oversight? Only two schools were "outliers" (the others "clustered" within a statistically significant range); although it will be interesting to see if Blair drops in future years due to the "lottery system" impact. Wootton was the lowest on this ranking (e.g. fewest National Merit Scholarship semi-finalists, Presidential Scholar candidates, SAT average).


Your data seems to be off, here's the summary and citation, but TLDR the largest common cohort to these schools had the following:

Blair 1326
Walter Johnson 1275
Wootton 1262
Churchill 1257

https://beastacademy.com/school/classroom/4/6/704/1

And yes the Blair magnet average was 1520+, but in this cohort only around 30 of the 200 kids were from the magnet.



oops sorry - the actual citation was https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2017/1771102HS%20Princ_SAT%20Partic_Perf%20Class%20of%202017.pdf
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Excellent academics!


I looked at the SAT averages by the demographic cohort that was posted here a while back and although Wooton does okay it's hardly the top school at least for kids.It is definitely in the top 5 though.


Raw SAT score means different things to different people and just because an average SAT score is higher does not necessarily translate into college readiness. Ex. a school could have more 504 or Special Needs programs than another.

Lotus prep does a nice analysis of the best high schools in the greater Washington DC area, both private and public, ranked by SAT. https://www.lotusprep.com/best-high-schools-dc/. They weight 3 (meaningful) factors equally: Average SAT (math and critical reading), Average number of Presidential Scholar candidates, Average number of National Merit Scholarship semi-finalists. Not sure why Poolesville wasn't counted, but it may have just been an oversight? Only two schools were "outliers" (the others "clustered" within a statistically significant range); although it will be interesting to see if Blair drops in future years due to the "lottery system" impact. Wootton was the lowest on this ranking (e.g. fewest National Merit Scholarship semi-finalists, Presidential Scholar candidates, SAT average).
#14 Walt Whitman 1322
#19 Blair (Magnet only) 1318
#22 Richard Montgomery 1244
#24 Walter Johnson 1289
#25 Churchill 1252
#28 BCC 1250
#30 Wootton 1229

However, relying upon this result alone is deceptive. When looking at the student body overall, Richard Montgomery, Walter Johnson, and BCC fall further down the stack academically when considering the number of students (a) taking more difficult AP/IB classes, and (b) meeting college requirements.

% of Graduates Scoring 3 or Higher on AP Test or Scoring 4 or Higher on IB Test:
Whitman 84.0
Wootton 78.4
Churchill 77.9
Poolesville (whole school) 76.2
Walter Johnson 70.8
BCC 69.6
Richard Montgomery 67.0
Blair (whole school) 52.5


Percent of Students Meeting University System of Maryland Entrance Requirements:
Poolesville (whole school) 84.8%
Churchill 84.5%
Wootton 83.8%
Whitman 81.4%
BCC 71.7%
Walter Johnson 67.1%
Richard Montgomery 65.4%
Blair (whole school) 62.9%

Whitman, Churchill, Wootton (and Poolesville) seem to earn their academic reputations as overall "solid" schools. BCC, WJ, RM, and Blair (excluding the magnet) are still good, just not good overall (more likely pockets of kids).

These numbers are not accurate.
https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2019/191219%20HS%20Princ_2019_AP_IB_Exams.dh.pdf
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Excellent academics!


I looked at the SAT averages by the demographic cohort that was posted here a while back and although Wooton does okay it's hardly the top school at least for kids.It is definitely in the top 5 though.


Raw SAT score means different things to different people and just because an average SAT score is higher does not necessarily translate into college readiness. Ex. a school could have more 504 or Special Needs programs than another.

Lotus prep does a nice analysis of the best high schools in the greater Washington DC area, both private and public, ranked by SAT. https://www.lotusprep.com/best-high-schools-dc/. They weight 3 (meaningful) factors equally: Average SAT (math and critical reading), Average number of Presidential Scholar candidates, Average number of National Merit Scholarship semi-finalists. Not sure why Poolesville wasn't counted, but it may have just been an oversight? Only two schools were "outliers" (the others "clustered" within a statistically significant range); although it will be interesting to see if Blair drops in future years due to the "lottery system" impact. Wootton was the lowest on this ranking (e.g. fewest National Merit Scholarship semi-finalists, Presidential Scholar candidates, SAT average).
#14 Walt Whitman 1322
#19 Blair (Magnet only) 1318
#22 Richard Montgomery 1244
#24 Walter Johnson 1289
#25 Churchill 1252
#28 BCC 1250
#30 Wootton 1229

However, relying upon this result alone is deceptive. When looking at the student body overall, Richard Montgomery, Walter Johnson, and BCC fall further down the stack academically when considering the number of students (a) taking more difficult AP/IB classes, and (b) meeting college requirements.

% of Graduates Scoring 3 or Higher on AP Test or Scoring 4 or Higher on IB Test:
Whitman 84.0
Wootton 78.4
Churchill 77.9
Poolesville (whole school) 76.2
Walter Johnson 70.8
BCC 69.6
Richard Montgomery 67.0
Blair (whole school) 52.5


Percent of Students Meeting University System of Maryland Entrance Requirements:
Poolesville (whole school) 84.8%
Churchill 84.5%
Wootton 83.8%
Whitman 81.4%
BCC 71.7%
Walter Johnson 67.1%
Richard Montgomery 65.4%
Blair (whole school) 62.9%

Whitman, Churchill, Wootton (and Poolesville) seem to earn their academic reputations as overall "solid" schools. BCC, WJ, RM, and Blair (excluding the magnet) are still good, just not good overall (more likely pockets of kids).

These numbers are not accurate.
https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2019/191219%20HS%20Princ_2019_AP_IB_Exams.dh.pdf

Actually they are accurate and were compiled by the county. My understanding is that information wasn't even supposed to be public and was only released accidentally. I'm sorry if it isn't what you want to hear.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Excellent academics!


I looked at the SAT averages by the demographic cohort that was posted here a while back and although Wooton does okay it's hardly the top school at least for kids.It is definitely in the top 5 though.


Raw SAT score means different things to different people and just because an average SAT score is higher does not necessarily translate into college readiness. Ex. a school could have more 504 or Special Needs programs than another.

Lotus prep does a nice analysis of the best high schools in the greater Washington DC area, both private and public, ranked by SAT. https://www.lotusprep.com/best-high-schools-dc/. They weight 3 (meaningful) factors equally: Average SAT (math and critical reading), Average number of Presidential Scholar candidates, Average number of National Merit Scholarship semi-finalists. Not sure why Poolesville wasn't counted, but it may have just been an oversight? Only two schools were "outliers" (the others "clustered" within a statistically significant range); although it will be interesting to see if Blair drops in future years due to the "lottery system" impact. Wootton was the lowest on this ranking (e.g. fewest National Merit Scholarship semi-finalists, Presidential Scholar candidates, SAT average).


Your data seems to be off, here's the summary and citation, but TLDR the largest common cohort to these schools had the following:

Blair 1326
Walter Johnson 1275
Wootton 1262
Churchill 1257


ttps://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2017/1771102HS%20Princ_SAT%20Partic_Perf%20Class%20of%202017.pdf




Thanks for clearing this up and providing a reliable citation!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:They move in packs. My old HS is now 70 percent Asian. Nearly all Chinese.

By comparison 45 years ago it was 86 percent Jewish. There was maybe 3 percent non white in total. It managed to be rated the best non magnet and non private HS in the United States and the tide changed.

It is pretty wild. The school is still amazing. But very unusual hardly any whites left and the black and Spanish kids got even less and priced out.

They win every academic award possible. But a Football team 70 percent Chinese and 30 percent Jewish is funny.

But damn plenty of good violin and piano players. Plus the Jewish temples now have plenty of seats on the high holidays



You all move in packs. I don't mean that to be offensive. But look at what you've said.

The USA having neighborhoods that are self-segregating is nothing new. There's sort of a line between having a community and being exclusionary that is hard to see when you're on the inside of it. Chinese families love your old neighborhood for the same reason your Jewish parents did: community with shared history and traditions.
Anonymous
^^^ This is my observation as someone who was raised in the middle of several overlapping and prosperous immigrant communities, none of which my family was a part of. It's not a bad thing at all, but sometimes it is complicated.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Excellent academics!


I looked at the SAT averages by the demographic cohort that was posted here a while back and although Wooton does okay it's hardly the top school at least for kids.It is definitely in the top 5 though.


Raw SAT score means different things to different people and just because an average SAT score is higher does not necessarily translate into college readiness. Ex. a school could have more 504 or Special Needs programs than another.

Lotus prep does a nice analysis of the best high schools in the greater Washington DC area, both private and public, ranked by SAT. https://www.lotusprep.com/best-high-schools-dc/. They weight 3 (meaningful) factors equally: Average SAT (math and critical reading), Average number of Presidential Scholar candidates, Average number of National Merit Scholarship semi-finalists. Not sure why Poolesville wasn't counted, but it may have just been an oversight? Only two schools were "outliers" (the others "clustered" within a statistically significant range); although it will be interesting to see if Blair drops in future years due to the "lottery system" impact. Wootton was the lowest on this ranking (e.g. fewest National Merit Scholarship semi-finalists, Presidential Scholar candidates, SAT average).


Your data seems to be off, here's the summary and citation, but TLDR the largest common cohort to these schools had the following:

Blair 1326
Walter Johnson 1275
Wootton 1262
Churchill 1257


ttps://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2017/1771102HS%20Princ_SAT%20Partic_Perf%20Class%20of%202017.pdf




Thanks for clearing this up and providing a reliable citation!


Sorry. You folks are easliy fooled, aren't you. Both are accurate. The poster just misread the data. These are two types of documents using very different calculations. Let's use everyone's favorite school (Blair) as an example).

Table B1a. Number of Advanced Placement Exams Taken by MCPS Students and Number and Percentage of Advanced Placement Exam Scores of 3 or Higher in 2018 and 2019 by High School and Race/Ethnicity
2018 86.9%
2019 87.1%
https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2019/191219%20HS%20Princ_2019_AP_IB_Exams.dh.pdf

% of Graduates Scoring 3 or Higher on AP Test or Scoring 4 or Higher on IB Test
2019–2020 52.5%
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04757.pdf
2020-2021 56.5%
https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04757.pdf

The difference is the first set of numbers is calculated by the number of exams taken divided by the number of exams 3 or more (passing). The second set of numbers is calculated most likely by student (unless you believe a HS dropped 30% in a single year?).

In other words, MCPS boosted the numbers in Table B1a by showing the number of exams taken and passed (regardless of the number of students taking AP's). As we all know, it's common that a single student takes more than one AP exam. However, when you look at how many students took AP exams versus not at all, that is the better indication of academic success at a High School. That's what the 50'ish% show.

Now, remove the magnet kids from Blair (taking multiple AP exams), and I think you'll get a better picture of the school's non-magnet academic environment overall.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Excellent academics!


I looked at the SAT averages by the demographic cohort that was posted here a while back and although Wooton does okay it's hardly the top school at least for kids.It is definitely in the top 5 though.


Raw SAT score means different things to different people and just because an average SAT score is higher does not necessarily translate into college readiness. Ex. a school could have more 504 or Special Needs programs than another.

Lotus prep does a nice analysis of the best high schools in the greater Washington DC area, both private and public, ranked by SAT. https://www.lotusprep.com/best-high-schools-dc/. They weight 3 (meaningful) factors equally: Average SAT (math and critical reading), Average number of Presidential Scholar candidates, Average number of National Merit Scholarship semi-finalists. Not sure why Poolesville wasn't counted, but it may have just been an oversight? Only two schools were "outliers" (the others "clustered" within a statistically significant range); although it will be interesting to see if Blair drops in future years due to the "lottery system" impact. Wootton was the lowest on this ranking (e.g. fewest National Merit Scholarship semi-finalists, Presidential Scholar candidates, SAT average).


Your data seems to be off, here's the summary and citation, but TLDR the largest common cohort to these schools had the following:

Blair 1326
Walter Johnson 1275
Wootton 1262
Churchill 1257


ttps://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2017/1771102HS%20Princ_SAT%20Partic_Perf%20Class%20of%202017.pdf




Thanks for clearing this up and providing a reliable citation!


Great stuff! Very helpful!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Excellent academics!


I looked at the SAT averages by the demographic cohort that was posted here a while back and although Wooton does okay it's hardly the top school at least for kids.It is definitely in the top 5 though.


Raw SAT score means different things to different people and just because an average SAT score is higher does not necessarily translate into college readiness. Ex. a school could have more 504 or Special Needs programs than another.

Lotus prep does a nice analysis of the best high schools in the greater Washington DC area, both private and public, ranked by SAT. https://www.lotusprep.com/best-high-schools-dc/. They weight 3 (meaningful) factors equally: Average SAT (math and critical reading), Average number of Presidential Scholar candidates, Average number of National Merit Scholarship semi-finalists. Not sure why Poolesville wasn't counted, but it may have just been an oversight? Only two schools were "outliers" (the others "clustered" within a statistically significant range); although it will be interesting to see if Blair drops in future years due to the "lottery system" impact. Wootton was the lowest on this ranking (e.g. fewest National Merit Scholarship semi-finalists, Presidential Scholar candidates, SAT average).


Your data seems to be off, here's the summary and citation, but TLDR the largest common cohort to these schools had the following:

Blair 1326
Walter Johnson 1275
Wootton 1262
Churchill 1257


ttps://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2017/1771102HS%20Princ_SAT%20Partic_Perf%20Class%20of%202017.pdf




Thanks for clearing this up and providing a reliable citation!


Sorry. You folks are easliy fooled, aren't you. Both are accurate. The poster just misread the data. These are two types of documents using very different calculations. Let's use everyone's favorite school (Blair) as an example).

Table B1a. Number of Advanced Placement Exams Taken by MCPS Students and Number and Percentage of Advanced Placement Exam Scores of 3 or Higher in 2018 and 2019 by High School and Race/Ethnicity
2018 86.9%
2019 87.1%
https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2019/191219%20HS%20Princ_2019_AP_IB_Exams.dh.pdf

% of Graduates Scoring 3 or Higher on AP Test or Scoring 4 or Higher on IB Test
2019–2020 52.5%
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04757.pdf
2020-2021 56.5%
https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04757.pdf

The difference is the first set of numbers is calculated by the number of exams taken divided by the number of exams 3 or more (passing). The second set of numbers is calculated most likely by student (unless you believe a HS dropped 30% in a single year?).

In other words, MCPS boosted the numbers in Table B1a by showing the number of exams taken and passed (regardless of the number of students taking AP's). As we all know, it's common that a single student takes more than one AP exam. However, when you look at how many students took AP exams versus not at all, that is the better indication of academic success at a High School. That's what the 50'ish% show.

Now, remove the magnet kids from Blair (taking multiple AP exams), and I think you'll get a better picture of the school's non-magnet academic environment overall.


Yes looking at my children's cohort (we aren't asian) I think maybe 8% of the test takers were magnet students so that had very little impact.
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