South Asian male applicants

[Anonymous]

NWIH

I want the doctor with the highest GPA, highest MCAT, and most prestigious residency to treat me or mine when there's a serious, life-threatening medical issue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Asians make up 5.9% of the US population. So they should make up 5.9% of the admissions at every university in order to be representative. Anything over that is overrepresentation.

https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/PST045221

Will you keep that mentality when your child needs a doctor to perform a serious operation? Or, would you have wanted medical schools to choose the people who are actually the best candidates?

Overrepresentation in any field, like in universities, does not necessarily indicate that these are all the "best candidates." That is a silly argument. People w/ access to enrichment and opportunities have historically gotten these spots/jobs. They might grow w/ more inclusion.

So your POV is that we should limit the percentage of South Asian American doctors at 5.9%. Got it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Asians make up 5.9% of the US population. So they should make up 5.9% of the admissions at every university in order to be representative. Anything over that is overrepresentation.

https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/PST045221

How do you see this argument in light of Jewish population percentages? Is that over representation too? If so, why just caps on Asian students?

[Anonymous]

The pp talking about kids faking binary/non-binary , tranny, being bi — smart ideas.

You can’t prove any of that stuff.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:NWIH

I want the doctor with the highest GPA, highest MCAT, and most prestigious residency to treat me or mine when there's a serious, life-threatening medical issue.

I don’t necessarily care about my doctor’s MCAT scores. I care that they did well in their program, they are open minded and a creative thinker who will diagnose and treat an unusual problem, are up to date and intellectually curious about their field, they have the skills, and that they are empathetic and compassionate. I don’t care at all what race they are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:NWIH

I want the doctor with the highest GPA, highest MCAT, and most prestigious residency to treat me or mine when there's a serious, life-threatening medical issue.

and I want a surgeon with great hand eye coordination

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The pp talking about kids faking binary/non-binary , tranny, being bi — smart ideas.

You can’t prove any of that stuff.

And they don't help at all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:NWIH

I want the doctor with the highest GPA, highest MCAT, and most prestigious residency to treat me or mine when there's a serious, life-threatening medical issue.

You're going to spend your life MAYBE getting the most talented doctor (or attorney or CPA or whatever) if you insist on criteria like that. Give me the 10th highest who has 2 decades of experience, is honest about her limitations, doesn't overindulge in alcohol, is willing to take the time to explain things thoroughly, has the utmost respect of the equally phenomenal team she works with, takes the time to stay informed of new advances, is a creative thinker, genuinely cares about my well-being, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NWIH

I want the doctor with the highest GPA, highest MCAT, and most prestigious residency to treat me or mine when there's a serious, life-threatening medical issue.

You're going to spend your life MAYBE getting the most talented doctor (or attorney or CPA or whatever) if you insist on criteria like that. Give me the 10th highest who has 2 decades of experience, is honest about her limitations, doesn't overindulge in alcohol, is willing to take the time to explain things thoroughly, has the utmost respect of the equally phenomenal team she works with, takes the time to stay informed of new advances, is a creative thinker, genuinely cares about my well-being, etc.

+1 highest MCAT, GPA is not the best doctor. Best information is their track record on your specific issue not prestige.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:NWIH

I want the doctor with the highest GPA, highest MCAT, and most prestigious residency to treat me or mine when there's a serious, life-threatening medical issue.

What is NWIH?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NWIH

I want the doctor with the highest GPA, highest MCAT, and most prestigious residency to treat me or mine when there's a serious, life-threatening medical issue.

I don’t necessarily care about my doctor’s MCAT scores. I care that they did well in their program, they are open minded and a creative thinker who will diagnose and treat an unusual problem, are up to date and intellectually curious about their field, they have the skills, and that they are empathetic and compassionate. I don’t care at all what race they are.

So many people do though. So many women will actively seek out female doctors. So many AA patients will actively seek out AA doctors.

It’s common to want a practitioner that is ‘like’ you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am the parent of a South Asian male senior. This is how it is playing out - excellent EC, top grades, rigorous curriculum, top SATs, prestigious internships. job, community service, national and state level honors, good recommendations, great essays etc... but riding the rejection train currently. We are full pay family.

My kid is brilliant and in STEM field, so he will be ok even in a not-top college. Eventually, he will be employed because of his skills and because barrier to entry is high for his career choice. He refused to lie on his application and clearly said that he wanted to do CS or Engineering...which is death knell for South Asian males. Maybe he will go via the community college route? Who knows.

Basically, savvy SA people are going for CS/Engineering - adjacent majors along with another humanities major like gender studies/ women studies/LGBTQ studies etc. Most are also pretending that they are bisexual or binary (using They/Them) and writing in their essays that their South Asian parents have been beating the sh1t out of them because of their sexuality. All of this is allowing them to get into Ivy Leagues. My son did not have the appetite for that so that is that...

Also, by being denied admissions because of his race has made him more savvy about racial-politics in USA. His blinders are off, and hopefully this will teach him to be less idealistic and more capable of looking out for his own interests in the future. USA is all about screwing every one else, and this lesson was very important for him to learn.

This seems overly dramatic with many false statements "Most are also pretending..." No, most are not doing this. And, if he is brilliant, the cc suggestion is like begging for the tiny violins to play. It's a tough market, and I'm sorry for your kid. I have a blonde white girl in theatre. I know your pain. But, let's not exaggerate the duplicity or others or the bleakness of our own situations. Yeah, both of our kids' races add a challenge, but it is complete exaggeration to say they are "denied" because of race. Colleges want a a diverse environment. They don't want all blonde girl actors or SAM engineers. It is what it is, and it is a good thing for the campus overall. You can encourage your kid to stand out in other ways -- mine is also in a STEM magnet w/ very advanced math. Yours could do theatre or something else. They can also both get great educations at other schools (that are not cc, but those are pretty good in this area as well). Hang in there, but try not to put the blame on other people or politics here.

DP

Sorry, but this is pretty ridiculous and it’s reasonable to be annoyed that this is the case. Regardless of what race you are.

If it’s all blond girls who make the cut, then good for them.

Not to mention, not all blond girls are the same!! Just as not all South Asian males are the same! Some may have grown up one way and some may have grown up a different way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NWIH

I want the doctor with the highest GPA, highest MCAT, and most prestigious residency to treat me or mine when there's a serious, life-threatening medical issue.

I don’t necessarily care about my doctor’s MCAT scores. I care that they did well in their program, they are open minded and a creative thinker who will diagnose and treat an unusual problem, are up to date and intellectually curious about their field, they have the skills, and that they are empathetic and compassionate. I don’t care at all what race they are.

So many people do though. So many women will actively seek out female doctors. So many AA patients will actively seek out AA doctors.

It’s common to want a practitioner that is ‘like’ you.

I think women seek out women and AA seek AA because they feel underserved or unseen by people who aren’t like them and the research bears it out, I believe. I am a white women. I do prefer a woman practitioner based on past life experiences, but I am race agnostic and have had various doctors of all races. I’ve not had any experience that would suggest that for me race matters. I think some folks may have cultural reasons for wanting a doctor who understands their culture.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NWIH

I want the doctor with the highest GPA, highest MCAT, and most prestigious residency to treat me or mine when there's a serious, life-threatening medical issue.

I don’t necessarily care about my doctor’s MCAT scores. I care that they did well in their program, they are open minded and a creative thinker who will diagnose and treat an unusual problem, are up to date and intellectually curious about their field, they have the skills, and that they are empathetic and compassionate. I don’t care at all what race they are.

So many people do though. So many women will actively seek out female doctors. So many AA patients will actively seek out AA doctors.

It’s common to want a practitioner that is ‘like’ you.

I think women seek out women and AA seek AA because they feel underserved or unseen by people who aren’t like them and the research bears it out, I believe. I am a white women. I do prefer a woman practitioner based on past life experiences, but I am race agnostic and have had various doctors of all races. I’ve not had any experience that would suggest that for me race matters. I think some folks may have cultural reasons for wanting a doctor who understands their culture.

+1.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am the parent of a South Asian male senior. This is how it is playing out - excellent EC, top grades, rigorous curriculum, top SATs, prestigious internships. job, community service, national and state level honors, good recommendations, great essays etc... but riding the rejection train currently. We are full pay family.

My kid is brilliant and in STEM field, so he will be ok even in a not-top college. Eventually, he will be employed because of his skills and because barrier to entry is high for his career choice. He refused to lie on his application and clearly said that he wanted to do CS or Engineering...which is death knell for South Asian males. Maybe he will go via the community college route? Who knows.

Basically, savvy SA people are going for CS/Engineering - adjacent majors along with another humanities major like gender studies/ women studies/LGBTQ studies etc. Most are also pretending that they are bisexual or binary (using They/Them) and writing in their essays that their South Asian parents have been beating the sh1t out of them because of their sexuality. All of this is allowing them to get into Ivy Leagues. My son did not have the appetite for that so that is that...

Also, by being denied admissions because of his race has made him more savvy about racial-politics in USA. His blinders are off, and hopefully this will teach him to be less idealistic and more capable of looking out for his own interests in the future. USA is all about screwing every one else, and this lesson was very important for him to learn.

This seems overly dramatic with many false statements "Most are also pretending..." No, most are not doing this. And, if he is brilliant, the cc suggestion is like begging for the tiny violins to play. It's a tough market, and I'm sorry for your kid. I have a blonde white girl in theatre. I know your pain. But, let's not exaggerate the duplicity or others or the bleakness of our own situations. Yeah, both of our kids' races add a challenge, but it is complete exaggeration to say they are "denied" because of race. Colleges want a a diverse environment. They don't want all blonde girl actors or SAM engineers. It is what it is, and it is a good thing for the campus overall. You can encourage your kid to stand out in other ways -- mine is also in a STEM magnet w/ very advanced math. Yours could do theatre or something else. They can also both get great educations at other schools (that are not cc, but those are pretty good in this area as well). Hang in there, but try not to put the blame on other people or politics here.

DP

Sorry, but this is pretty ridiculous and it’s reasonable to be annoyed that this is the case. Regardless of what race you are.

If it’s all blond girls who make the cut, then good for them.

Not to mention, not all blond girls are the same!! Just as not all South Asian males are the same! Some may have grown up one way and some may have grown up a different way.

Schools don't try to limit blonde girls or South Asian males, rather the number who have a background in acting and want to do "acting" and the number who have a background in engineering and want to do "engineering." PP is incorrect. Schools are picking a community, but they are also picking the number of people they can reasonably support in various majors/extracurriculars. If there's a glut of kids who want STEM, the competition for STEM slots increases until they build capacity for more.