South Asian male applicants

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ok. Here is some advice you can actually use. Forget HYPSM and most of the ivies, except maybe Cornell maybe. Don't count on these schools or waste your ED/SCEA card on them. You will most probably come up empty and frustrated

If you are able to
1) flag that you don't need aid. It makes a difference even if everybody tells you it doesn't. Once you get in, you can apply for aid for years 2-4. and reveal your real need. You are going to have to eat the first year cost to boost your chances. Don't submit any aid forms or Fafsa or anything else.
2) Target one of the following schools during the ED round: WashU, Emory, Vanderbilt, Uchicago, Duke, CMU, NYU but don't count on it
3) Avoid showing that your child wants to do CS, Econ, Engineering, business, pre-med. If possible tailor your app to highlight another major with his EC's
4) Have a backup plan for the state flagship. That's probably where he will most probably land.

Sorry. But that's the reality for the South Asian male today. It sucks, but it's what it is

This is what any UMC white unhooked kid with excellent stats does too. Except if female does not indicate interest in social sciences or humanities and does indicate interest in STEM.

[Anonymous]

OP, send your kids abroad.

That’s what we our extended family (in the us and India) do if the kids strike out at t20s.

Target: Edinburgh and LSE. I’ve had a number of nieces and nephews go through Edinburgh and get offers from FAANG, IB, consulting etc

[Anonymous]

Excellent advice ☝️

[Anonymous]

NP.
I don't know why that poster keeps trying to tie her 'unhooked white male' son into this conversation.

That is not an equivalence at all. The OP is asking about her South Asian son and relevance to that.

And I'm betting the OP's kid is angling more for UVA not Harvard.

To the OP- sorry, I have no good advice. I have a South Asian son with learning disabilities so him getting into a decent school with his regular Gen Ed classes and regular diploma from this area is basically a pipe dream.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ok. Here is some advice you can actually use. Forget HYPSM and most of the ivies, except maybe Cornell maybe. Don't count on these schools or waste your ED/SCEA card on them. You will most probably come up empty and frustrated

If you are able to
1) flag that you don't need aid. It makes a difference even if everybody tells you it doesn't. Once you get in, you can apply for aid for years 2-4. and reveal your real need. You are going to have to eat the first year cost to boost your chances. Don't submit any aid forms or Fafsa or anything else.
2) Target one of the following schools during the ED round: WashU, Emory, Vanderbilt, Uchicago, Duke, CMU, NYU but don't count on it
3) Avoid showing that your child wants to do CS, Econ, Engineering, business, pre-med. If possible tailor your app to highlight another major with his EC's
4) Have a backup plan for the state flagship. That's probably where he will most probably land.

Sorry. But that's the reality for the South Asian male today. It sucks, but it's what it is

This is what any UMC white unhooked kid with excellent stats does too. Except if female does not indicate interest in social sciences or humanities and does indicate interest in STEM.

There are tons of unhooked Indian-American kids at Wharton UG and Penn seas. Penn definitely will take unhooked Indian kids ED.

Good advice about 1 tho. Very smart.

Op the above poster knows her stuff.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ok. Here is some advice you can actually use. Forget HYPSM and most of the ivies, except maybe Cornell maybe. Don't count on these schools or waste your ED/SCEA card on them. You will most probably come up empty and frustrated

If you are able to
1) flag that you don't need aid. It makes a difference even if everybody tells you it doesn't. Once you get in, you can apply for aid for years 2-4. and reveal your real need. You are going to have to eat the first year cost to boost your chances. Don't submit any aid forms or Fafsa or anything else.
2) Target one of the following schools during the ED round: WashU, Emory, Vanderbilt, Uchicago, Duke, CMU, NYU but don't count on it
3) Avoid showing that your child wants to do CS, Econ, Engineering, business, pre-med. If possible tailor your app to highlight another major with his EC's
4) Have a backup plan for the state flagship. That's probably where he will most probably land.

Sorry. But that's the reality for the South Asian male today. It sucks, but it's what it is

This is what any UMC white unhooked kid with excellent stats does too. Except if female does not indicate interest in social sciences or humanities and does indicate interest in STEM.

There are tons of unhooked Indian-American kids at Wharton UG and Penn seas. Penn definitely will take unhooked Indian kids ED.

Good advice about 1 tho. Very smart.

Op the above poster knows her stuff.

3 is potentially an issue though for any school where it is hard to transfer into engineering/CS if you didn't apply.

[Anonymous]

South Asian parent here. DD admitted to MIT, now doing PhD at MIT, DS waitlisted for MIT, accepted into a prestigious public university in CA with full merit scholarship. They both went to IB/ Magnet school and certainly worked hard to get into these schools. DS was a Regeneron scholar, NMSF and many science fair awards. Did research all years of high school, led CS team in high school. It was certainly not an easy path for him, but he worked very hard.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Excellent advice ☝️

Plus the next PM is probably gonna be Indian.

Edinburgh is way better than half the t20 anyways.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ok. Here is some advice you can actually use. Forget HYPSM and most of the ivies, except maybe Cornell maybe. Don't count on these schools or waste your ED/SCEA card on them. You will most probably come up empty and frustrated

If you are able to
1) flag that you don't need aid. It makes a difference even if everybody tells you it doesn't. Once you get in, you can apply for aid for years 2-4. and reveal your real need. You are going to have to eat the first year cost to boost your chances. Don't submit any aid forms or Fafsa or anything else.
2) Target one of the following schools during the ED round: WashU, Emory, Vanderbilt, Uchicago, Duke, CMU, NYU but don't count on it
3) Avoid showing that your child wants to do CS, Econ, Engineering, business, pre-med. If possible tailor your app to highlight another major with his EC's
4) Have a backup plan for the state flagship. That's probably where he will most probably land.

Sorry. But that's the reality for the South Asian male today. It sucks, but it's what it is

The early acceptance rate at most Ivy schools is sub 10%. Your kid got rejected or deferred? Welcome to the club. It’s not tough just for South Asians.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Any south Asian male student parents on? Or do any of you have any ideas of how the admission season is panning out for them? It is very tough in our school---south Asian boys even with very high stats and scores and good ECs did not get into ED. Worried parent of a South Asian male junior. Please no politics.

Do you understand that nearly all admissions decisions tend to be a lot more nuanced than just stats and test scores?

Do you also understand that a LOT of kids with very high stats and scores of all races and genders are having trouble gaining admission to their top choices?

OP here: Yes, I do. It is just hard(er) when a URM student whose parents are very well to do and who has lower stats and non spectacular ECs gets into a selective college and the South Asian student does not. We would have to be ostriches to deny this is happening. And I am talking about a South Asian applicant who has won hackathons and national competitions versus a candidate who has just participated in a school varsity sports teams and school clubs.
My child is still a junior so I am not talking about my student.

When the differences are obvious nuances kind of become irrelevant.

Why? It's almost like you think your son is more qualified or, more importantly, has more to offer the school. The admissions office obviously feels differently.

Cohorts are more than statistical clones.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:NP.
I don't know why that poster keeps trying to tie her 'unhooked white male' son into this conversation.

That is not an equivalence at all. The OP is asking about her South Asian son and relevance to that.

And I'm betting the OP's kid is angling more for UVA not Harvard.

To the OP- sorry, I have no good advice. I have a South Asian son with learning disabilities so him getting into a decent school with his regular Gen Ed classes and regular diploma from this area is basically a pipe dream.

I'm not the PP, but I can see why they are introducing 'unhooked white kids' - because many of the complaints are assuming universal discrimination against Asians for college and that's just not the case--it's just at institutions where a lot of Asians want to go to the same majors bringing the same records/ecs/stats. Asians have a better chance than others at many top liberal arts colleges and no different chances at the vast majority of decent colleges.

Your kid with gen ed classes and regular diploma will get into any school that matches his stats because once you step out of the top schools, you're not in the selective competition anymore--the other schools accept anyone who meets their criteria because there aren't tens of thousands of qualified applicants. In fact, they may be looking to build up their diverse Asian population and he might have an advantage.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This website has much data to show why you need not worry...

https://lesshighschoolstress.com/

Less selective universities are very capable of providing an excellent education.

Give me a break. OP wants to know how it is possible to get in the very selective universities. This "don't stress" narrative is absurd to feed to someone, when their kid has virtually no chance to get into a school, but their next door neighbor does, even with less accomplishment. "Don't stress" is some BS gaslighting in the face of discrimination.

OP's son will do well because that's who he is, regardless of where he goes to school. She's not worried that he's going to be digging ditches. That is not the point. And she doesn't have to have the same criteria as you. If this worries her, it worries her. That's valid.

Unless their next-door neighbor is first gen or URM, that probably isn't true. You said less accomplishment, so eliminate athletes. An unhooked white male has the same chance of getting in as an unhooked South Asian male- virtually zero. White numbers look better because of hooked students, but the unhooked ones have the same impossible odds.

you want to cry over unhooked white applicants - look to athletes, legacies and donors. All white.

This is factually untrue. There are plenty of non-white athletes who are recruited. Look at the rosters of sports teams at the elite schools. Is it a sea to sea of white faces? No. Far from it. Same for legacies and donors. There are more and more non-white legacies every year because the elite colleges diversified over time. And there are rich non-white donors and children of politically connected people (cough cough Obama girls cough cough).

[Anonymous]

US-born South Asian heritage applicants also have to compete with plenty of applications from overseas South Asians, both expats in other countries or South Asia itself.

Asians and South Asians, like whites, are not targeted for admissions preference on identity grounds. Welcome to the club. And life will go on. Plenty of colleges. Work hard, study hard, learn how to succeed in life and all will be fine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This website has much data to show why you need not worry...

https://lesshighschoolstress.com/

Less selective universities are very capable of providing an excellent education.

Give me a break. OP wants to know how it is possible to get in the very selective universities. This "don't stress" narrative is absurd to feed to someone, when their kid has virtually no chance to get into a school, but their next door neighbor does, even with less accomplishment. "Don't stress" is some BS gaslighting in the face of discrimination.

OP's son will do well because that's who he is, regardless of where he goes to school. She's not worried that he's going to be digging ditches. That is not the point. And she doesn't have to have the same criteria as you. If this worries her, it worries her. That's valid.

Unless their next-door neighbor is first gen or URM, that probably isn't true. You said less accomplishment, so eliminate athletes. An unhooked white male has the same chance of getting in as an unhooked South Asian male- virtually zero. White numbers look better because of hooked students, but the unhooked ones have the same impossible odds.

you want to cry over unhooked white applicants - look to athletes, legacies and donors. All white.

This is factually untrue. There are plenty of non-white athletes who are recruited. Look at the rosters of sports teams at the elite schools. Is it a sea to sea of white faces? No. Far from it. Same for legacies and donors. There are more and more non-white legacies every year because the elite colleges diversified over time. And there are rich non-white donors and children of politically connected people (cough cough Obama girls cough cough).

It’s like these conversations bring out people who can’t distinguish averages from anecdotes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This website has much data to show why you need not worry...

https://lesshighschoolstress.com/

Less selective universities are very capable of providing an excellent education.

Give me a break. OP wants to know how it is possible to get in the very selective universities. This "don't stress" narrative is absurd to feed to someone, when their kid has virtually no chance to get into a school, but their next door neighbor does, even with less accomplishment. "Don't stress" is some BS gaslighting in the face of discrimination.

OP's son will do well because that's who he is, regardless of where he goes to school. She's not worried that he's going to be digging ditches. That is not the point. And she doesn't have to have the same criteria as you. If this worries her, it worries her. That's valid.

Unless their next-door neighbor is first gen or URM, that probably isn't true. You said less accomplishment, so eliminate athletes. An unhooked white male has the same chance of getting in as an unhooked South Asian male- virtually zero. White numbers look better because of hooked students, but the unhooked ones have the same impossible odds.

you want to cry over unhooked white applicants - look to athletes, legacies and donors. All white.

This is factually untrue. There are plenty of non-white athletes who are recruited. Look at the rosters of sports teams at the elite schools. Is it a sea to sea of white faces? No. Far from it. Same for legacies and donors. There are more and more non-white legacies every year because the elite colleges diversified over time. And there are rich non-white donors and children of politically connected people (cough cough Obama girls cough cough).

You’re wrong. All three categories are about 70% white. Because you can name check Obama doesn’t mean anything.

43% of all white admits to Harvard were athletes, legacy or donors. But we don’t talk about that much do we.