I'm a rationale conservative - can you convince me voting rights legislation is needed?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Voting for citizens should be as easy and convenient as possible. Everyone should be granted time off from work to vote. I believe voting days should be national holidays. It's also more important to vote in local elections because it impacts you more. Polling places should be secure and near your home.

Last year polling places were closed in minority communities where constituents have no access to transportation. Long lines to vote discourage people who are poor from voting because they can't afford to spend so much time away from work.

I believe elections should be secure and ID should be required. Ids shouldn't have so many regulatory hurdles to to get. A free id card should be given to every citizen of a state upon reaching 18. A driver's license is different. I think your constitutional right to vote shouldn't be taken away for petty offenses. There are some offenses against humanity and the state that are worthy of losing your right to vote.

Voting is very important and should be protected. This county has a history of bombing polling places to prevent minorities from voting. There has also been disenfranchisement of women.

Democrats, get better supporters. Really. You’re jealous of us for having more committed voters. And we’re tired of replacements telling us how our country’s getting run. If you want to win, Democrats, then go get your own paramilitaries.

Which side am I going to be on. I’m with the Founders. If you can make it to vote, you don’t count for 3/5 anymore. You’re welcome.

Democrats support Dem House members by more than 40 million voters.
Democrats support Dem Senate members by more than 41 million voters.
Democrats support the Preisdent by more than 8 million voters.

What is the point you are trying to make, because I don't think it is the one you think it is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP I’m a moderate democrat, actually like a few republicans like Hogan.

When people have to wait 8-10 hours in line to vote its suppression. When someone has to choose between losing a days pay and coming up short for groceries or voting it’s suppression. When the 90 year grandmother gets told she’s no longer recorded to vote and to drive 10 miles away to a different location, even though she’s been going to that location for a decade and this is only happening in minority neighborhoods , it’s suppression. When a state official throws out all the votes from areas that vote against their party it’s suppression.

Voting should be easy. Elected officials should be focusing on how to get more people to vote.

If everyone votes, there would be less division and ironically more support for state functions over federal. Minimum wage is a good example. If everyone had equal, unfettered and easy access to vote and then did so there would be no need for a federal minimum wage. If everyone in Alabama and Mississippi voted then if they decided that 60% of the working population should make $6 rather than $15 then fine.

Op here - thanks for your answer. I agree no one should have to wait even an hour to vote. Is that a pervasive problem or just in a few random places became or snafus?

As to the other points, most everyone can request mail-in ballots, can’t they?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP I’m a moderate democrat, actually like a few republicans like Hogan.

When people have to wait 8-10 hours in line to vote its suppression. When someone has to choose between losing a days pay and coming up short for groceries or voting it’s suppression. When the 90 year grandmother gets told she’s no longer recorded to vote and to drive 10 miles away to a different location, even though she’s been going to that location for a decade and this is only happening in minority neighborhoods , it’s suppression. When a state official throws out all the votes from areas that vote against their party it’s suppression.

Voting should be easy. Elected officials should be focusing on how to get more people to vote.

If everyone votes, there would be less division and ironically more support for state functions over federal. Minimum wage is a good example. If everyone had equal, unfettered and easy access to vote and then did so there would be no need for a federal minimum wage. If everyone in Alabama and Mississippi voted then if they decided that 60% of the working population should make $6 rather than $15 then fine.

Lol, Hogan is basically a Democrat. Let me guess, you are a committed Democrat but also happen to admire Liz Cheney for "standing up for democracy?"

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP I’m a moderate democrat, actually like a few republicans like Hogan.

When people have to wait 8-10 hours in line to vote its suppression. When someone has to choose between losing a days pay and coming up short for groceries or voting it’s suppression. When the 90 year grandmother gets told she’s no longer recorded to vote and to drive 10 miles away to a different location, even though she’s been going to that location for a decade and this is only happening in minority neighborhoods , it’s suppression. When a state official throws out all the votes from areas that vote against their party it’s suppression.

Voting should be easy. Elected officials should be focusing on how to get more people to vote.

If everyone votes, there would be less division and ironically more support for state functions over federal. Minimum wage is a good example. If everyone had equal, unfettered and easy access to vote and then did so there would be no need for a federal minimum wage. If everyone in Alabama and Mississippi voted then if they decided that 60% of the working population should make $6 rather than $15 then fine.

Op here - thanks for your answer. I agree no one should have to wait even an hour to vote. Is that a pervasive problem or just in a few random places became or snafus?

As to the other points, most everyone can request mail-in ballots, can’t they?

You didn’t notice the GOP’s constant attacks on mail-in ballots? Trump tried to have all of them thrown out. I’m starting to doubt that you’re posting in good faith.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP I’m a moderate democrat, actually like a few republicans like Hogan.

When people have to wait 8-10 hours in line to vote its suppression. When someone has to choose between losing a days pay and coming up short for groceries or voting it’s suppression. When the 90 year grandmother gets told she’s no longer recorded to vote and to drive 10 miles away to a different location, even though she’s been going to that location for a decade and this is only happening in minority neighborhoods , it’s suppression. When a state official throws out all the votes from areas that vote against their party it’s suppression.

Voting should be easy. Elected officials should be focusing on how to get more people to vote.

If everyone votes, there would be less division and ironically more support for state functions over federal. Minimum wage is a good example. If everyone had equal, unfettered and easy access to vote and then did so there would be no need for a federal minimum wage. If everyone in Alabama and Mississippi voted then if they decided that 60% of the working population should make $6 rather than $15 then fine.

Op here - thanks for your answer. I agree no one should have to wait even an hour to vote. Is that a pervasive problem or just in a few random places became or snafus?

As to the other points, most everyone can request mail-in ballots, can’t they?

No. Plenty of states do not allow everyone to vote by mail or vote early. In some Southern states only 65+ and disabled can do so without swearing that they will be away on Election Day to vote absentee. A lot of conservative states that hassle minority voters also make it hard for college students to register and vote where they go to school. The Republican Party wants to build enough barriers to suppressing 10% or so of black, Hispanic, and young votes.

But you don’t care about any of that. You’re a rational conservative so if it doesn’t effect your clan, what do you care?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Question for the OP... As a "rational conservative" you DO know that "ThERe WuZ MaSSIvE FrAUd! ThEY StOLe tHE EleCtIOn fROm TrUMp!!" was a lie, right?

And you do know that the spate of state laws making it harder to vote were based on that lie, right?

Agree, OP?

Op here - I 100% believe trump is a deranged idiot and lost the election.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP I’m a moderate democrat, actually like a few republicans like Hogan.

When people have to wait 8-10 hours in line to vote its suppression. When someone has to choose between losing a days pay and coming up short for groceries or voting it’s suppression. When the 90 year grandmother gets told she’s no longer recorded to vote and to drive 10 miles away to a different location, even though she’s been going to that location for a decade and this is only happening in minority neighborhoods , it’s suppression. When a state official throws out all the votes from areas that vote against their party it’s suppression.

Voting should be easy. Elected officials should be focusing on how to get more people to vote.

If everyone votes, there would be less division and ironically more support for state functions over federal. Minimum wage is a good example. If everyone had equal, unfettered and easy access to vote and then did so there would be no need for a federal minimum wage. If everyone in Alabama and Mississippi voted then if they decided that 60% of the working population should make $6 rather than $15 then fine.

Op here - thanks for your answer. I agree no one should have to wait even an hour to vote. Is that a pervasive problem or just in a few random places became or snafus?

As to the other points, most everyone can request mail-in ballots, can’t they?

You didn’t notice the GOP’s constant attacks on mail-in ballots? Trump tried to have all of them thrown out. I’m starting to doubt that you’re posting in good faith.

I’m pretty sure she isn’t.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP I’m a moderate democrat, actually like a few republicans like Hogan.

When people have to wait 8-10 hours in line to vote its suppression. When someone has to choose between losing a days pay and coming up short for groceries or voting it’s suppression. When the 90 year grandmother gets told she’s no longer recorded to vote and to drive 10 miles away to a different location, even though she’s been going to that location for a decade and this is only happening in minority neighborhoods , it’s suppression. When a state official throws out all the votes from areas that vote against their party it’s suppression.

Voting should be easy. Elected officials should be focusing on how to get more people to vote.

If everyone votes, there would be less division and ironically more support for state functions over federal. Minimum wage is a good example. If everyone had equal, unfettered and easy access to vote and then did so there would be no need for a federal minimum wage. If everyone in Alabama and Mississippi voted then if they decided that 60% of the working population should make $6 rather than $15 then fine.

Op here - thanks for your answer. I agree no one should have to wait even an hour to vote. Is that a pervasive problem or just in a few random places became or snafus?

As to the other points, most everyone can request mail-in ballots, can’t they?

It's a pervasive problem in many jurisdictions. Are you really not familiar with this? It has been going on for decades. and has become more acute over the last 30 years. These are not "snafus" - it is by design to limit the number of polling places and then the number of voting booths within those precincts.

And no, not everyone can just use mail-in voting. You can if you live in Utah, Washington, Oregon and now California and Washington DC. Places like Ohio, Pennsylvania, Texas, Florida, Georgia, North Carolina etc have HUGE restrictions.

[Anonymous]

^^Biden's comments about Republicans previously voting for voting rights simply illuminates how horrible the current "voting rights" bill is.
It isn't "voting rights." It is federalizing the elections.

Republicans don't want ballot harvesting and taxpayer money going to political campaigns.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP I’m a moderate democrat, actually like a few republicans like Hogan.

When people have to wait 8-10 hours in line to vote its suppression. When someone has to choose between losing a days pay and coming up short for groceries or voting it’s suppression. When the 90 year grandmother gets told she’s no longer recorded to vote and to drive 10 miles away to a different location, even though she’s been going to that location for a decade and this is only happening in minority neighborhoods , it’s suppression. When a state official throws out all the votes from areas that vote against their party it’s suppression.

Voting should be easy. Elected officials should be focusing on how to get more people to vote.

If everyone votes, there would be less division and ironically more support for state functions over federal. Minimum wage is a good example. If everyone had equal, unfettered and easy access to vote and then did so there would be no need for a federal minimum wage. If everyone in Alabama and Mississippi voted then if they decided that 60% of the working population should make $6 rather than $15 then fine.

Op here - thanks for your answer. I agree no one should have to wait even an hour to vote. Is that a pervasive problem or just in a few random places became or snafus?

As to the other points, most everyone can request mail-in ballots, can’t they?

It's a pervasive problem in many jurisdictions. Are you really not familiar with this? It has been going on for decades. and has become more acute over the last 30 years. These are not "snafus" - it is by design to limit the number of polling places and then the number of voting booths within those precincts.

And no, not everyone can just use mail-in voting. You can if you live in Utah, Washington, Oregon and now California and Washington DC. Places like Ohio, Pennsylvania, Texas, Florida, Georgia, North Carolina etc have HUGE restrictions.

You are peddling lies.
If you think "restrictions" mean that a voter has to request one.... this is not a "restriction."
I took the time to check 3 states you listed. All 3 have no excuse mail in voting.

Georgia.....no reason needed to get a mail in ballot. All you need to do is request one. https://georgia.gov/vote-absentee-ballot
Ohio.... again, no reason needed. Just request one. https://www.ohiosos.gov/elections/voters/absentee-voting/?__cf_chl_jschl_tk__=cNwr.t5Oe54k3yoJhaPV4vXmVL2JvaSk0RBKRldSNqU-1641987789-0-gaNycGzNB30
Pennsylvania......no reason needed. Just request one. https://www.vote.pa.gov/Voting-in-PA/Pages/Mail-and-Absentee-Ballot.aspx

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP I’m a moderate democrat, actually like a few republicans like Hogan.

When people have to wait 8-10 hours in line to vote its suppression. When someone has to choose between losing a days pay and coming up short for groceries or voting it’s suppression. When the 90 year grandmother gets told she’s no longer recorded to vote and to drive 10 miles away to a different location, even though she’s been going to that location for a decade and this is only happening in minority neighborhoods , it’s suppression. When a state official throws out all the votes from areas that vote against their party it’s suppression.

Voting should be easy. Elected officials should be focusing on how to get more people to vote.

If everyone votes, there would be less division and ironically more support for state functions over federal. Minimum wage is a good example. If everyone had equal, unfettered and easy access to vote and then did so there would be no need for a federal minimum wage. If everyone in Alabama and Mississippi voted then if they decided that 60% of the working population should make $6 rather than $15 then fine.

Op here - thanks for your answer. I agree no one should have to wait even an hour to vote. Is that a pervasive problem or just in a few random places became or snafus?

As to the other points, most everyone can request mail-in ballots, can’t they?

It's a pervasive problem in many jurisdictions. Are you really not familiar with this? It has been going on for decades. and has become more acute over the last 30 years. These are not "snafus" - it is by design to limit the number of polling places and then the number of voting booths within those precincts.

And no, not everyone can just use mail-in voting. You can if you live in Utah, Washington, Oregon and now California and Washington DC. Places like Ohio, Pennsylvania, Texas, Florida, Georgia, North Carolina etc have HUGE restrictions.

You are peddling lies.
If you think "restrictions" mean that a voter has to request one.... this is not a "restriction."
I took the time to check 3 states you listed. All 3 have no excuse mail in voting.

Georgia.....no reason needed to get a mail in ballot. All you need to do is request one. https://georgia.gov/vote-absentee-ballot
Ohio.... again, no reason needed. Just request one. https://www.ohiosos.gov/elections/voters/absentee-voting/?__cf_chl_jschl_tk__=cNwr.t5Oe54k3yoJhaPV4vXmVL2JvaSk0RBKRldSNqU-1641987789-0-gaNycGzNB30
Pennsylvania......no reason needed. Just request one. https://www.vote.pa.gov/Voting-in-PA/Pages/Mail-and-Absentee-Ballot.aspx

NOT A LIE:

“ Universal, no-excuse mail-in voting has survived a court challenge in Pennsylvania and will live on after an eventful first year on the books. But a look back to its creation through its critical role in the 2020 election offers a window into how policy and politics can shift on a dime.

‘Everybody thought this was a good idea — a great idea, in fact — until Trump spoke out against it,” said Joe Mistick, a law professor at Duquesne and local political commentator.‘“

https://www.publicsource.org/trump-politicized-mail-in-voting-in-2020-pa-republicans-supported-it-originally/


You are like an abusive spouse that gaslights their victim. Trump and Republicans TRIED THEIR HARDEST to restrict mail in voting! There is your proof right there in front of you. Just because they lost a lawsuit doesn’t mean that you can then say it is a “lie” that PA had voting restrictions on mail in ballots.

[Anonymous]

**is a “lie” that Replicans in PA wantes voting restrictions on mail in ballots.

should have been ^^^

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:**is a “lie” that Replicans in PA wantes voting restrictions on mail in ballots.

should have been ^^^

So you admit that there are currently no restrictions on mail-in ballots in PA? Thanks for playing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:**is a “lie” that Replicans in PA wantes voting restrictions on mail in ballots.

should have been ^^^

So you admit that there are currently no restrictions on mail-in ballots in PA? Thanks for playing.

You are on a message board that serves the highly educated population of DC. Disingenuous statements like yours do not work with this audience.

I literally just proved the Republican desire to disenfranchise voters. That is what we are discussing here.