I'm a rationale conservative - can you convince me voting rights legislation is needed?

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Anonymous wrote:Democrats have been losing state races the last 10 years in key states and this is just sour grapes not that maps are about to redrawn. The hyperbole is ridiculous and just for headlines.

Really? Georgia Democrats flipped 41 state seats in the last election.

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Anonymous wrote:Question for the OP... As a "rational conservative" you DO know that "ThERe WuZ MaSSIvE FrAUd! ThEY StOLe tHE EleCtIOn fROm TrUMp!!" was a lie, right?

And you do know that the spate of state laws making it harder to vote were based on that lie, right?

Agree, OP?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Question for the OP... As a "rational conservative" you DO know that "ThERe WuZ MaSSIvE FrAUd! ThEY StOLe tHE EleCtIOn fROm TrUMp!!" was a lie, right?

And you do know that the spate of state laws making it harder to vote were based on that lie, right?

Agree, OP?

Op here - I 100% believe trump is a deranged idiot and lost the election.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Democrats have been losing state races the last 10 years in key states and this is just sour grapes not that maps are about to redrawn. The hyperbole is ridiculous and just for headlines.

Democrats get more votes and win fewer seats.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Question for the OP... As a "rational conservative" you DO know that "ThERe WuZ MaSSIvE FrAUd! ThEY StOLe tHE EleCtIOn fROm TrUMp!!" was a lie, right?

And you do know that the spate of state laws making it harder to vote were based on that lie, right?

Agree, OP?

Op here - I 100% believe trump is a deranged idiot and lost the election.

So why were all these “voter integrity” laws passed in lockstep by every R supermajority state legislature so necessary?

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Anonymous wrote:Question for the OP... As a "rational conservative" you DO know that "ThERe WuZ MaSSIvE FrAUd! ThEY StOLe tHE EleCtIOn fROm TrUMp!!" was a lie, right?

And you do know that the spate of state laws making it harder to vote were based on that lie, right?

Agree, OP?

Op here - I 100% believe trump is a deranged idiot and lost the election.

So why were all these “voter integrity” laws passed in lockstep by every R supermajority state legislature so necessary?

NP. I’m truly asking this question in good faith as I cannot figure out how to Google it. Where can I find data about which laws were changed/altered for Covid and what was changed to try to suppress rights. I know that’s a big ask, so links to an article would also be great. If anyone feels like answering, thanks so much!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not a Trumper here. I agree that Gerrymandering is bad and ideally would not happen. Clearly it's a problem with both parties.

Honestly, I don't buy the voter suppression and "democracy at stake" hyperbole. Anyone that wants to vote can vote, right? Yes, it might be inconvenient for some based on their work schedule, but that's always been the case. And In most places you can already vote by mail.

When I hear that democracy is at stake, I tune out because it's a huge exaggeration in my mind.

I'm open to argument, though. Can you change my mind?

Step 1: Learn the difference between "rational" and "rationale."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Question for the OP... As a "rational conservative" you DO know that "ThERe WuZ MaSSIvE FrAUd! ThEY StOLe tHE EleCtIOn fROm TrUMp!!" was a lie, right?

And you do know that the spate of state laws making it harder to vote were based on that lie, right?

Agree, OP?

Op here - I 100% believe trump is a deranged idiot and lost the election.

So why were all these “voter integrity” laws passed in lockstep by every R supermajority state legislature so necessary?

NP. I’m truly asking this question in good faith as I cannot figure out how to Google it. Where can I find data about which laws were changed/altered for Covid and what was changed to try to suppress rights. I know that’s a big ask, so links to an article would also be great. If anyone feels like answering, thanks so much!

The rules changes for Covid were passed in 2020, and the rules changes for worshipping Trump were passed in 2021. There are links from the NYT and WaPo earlier in this thread that have a lot of details.

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Anonymous wrote:Not a Trumper here. I agree that Gerrymandering is bad and ideally would not happen. Clearly it's a problem with both parties.

Honestly, I don't buy the voter suppression and "democracy at stake" hyperbole. Anyone that wants to vote can vote, right? Yes, it might be inconvenient for some based on their work schedule, but that's always been the case. And In most places you can already vote by mail.

When I hear that democracy is at stake, I tune out because it's a huge exaggeration in my mind.

I'm open to argument, though. Can you change my mind?

Step 1: Learn the difference between "rational" and "rationale."

Just a typo - sorry.

[Anonymous]

The entire week leading up to election day should be designated as a federal holiday. That way, every American will be able to vote, if he or she chooses.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Voting for citizens should be as easy and convenient as possible. Everyone should be granted time off from work to vote. I believe voting days should be national holidays. It's also more important to vote in local elections because it impacts you more. Polling places should be secure and near your home.

Last year polling places were closed in minority communities where constituents have no access to transportation. Long lines to vote discourage people who are poor from voting because they can't afford to spend so much time away from work.

I believe elections should be secure and ID should be required. Ids shouldn't have so many regulatory hurdles to to get. A free id card should be given to every citizen of a state upon reaching 18. A driver's license is different. I think your constitutional right to vote shouldn't be taken away for petty offenses. There are some offenses against humanity and the state that are worthy of losing your right to vote.

Voting is very important and should be protected. This county has a history of bombing polling places to prevent minorities from voting. There has also been disenfranchisement of women.

Democrats, get better supporters. Really. You’re jealous of us for having more committed voters. And we’re tired of replacements telling us how our country’s getting run. If you want to win, Democrats, then go get your own paramilitaries.

Which side am I going to be on. I’m with the Founders. If you can make it to vote, you don’t count for 3/5 anymore. You’re welcome.

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Anonymous wrote:Voting for citizens should be as easy and convenient as possible. Everyone should be granted time off from work to vote. I believe voting days should be national holidays. It's also more important to vote in local elections because it impacts you more. Polling places should be secure and near your home.

Last year polling places were closed in minority communities where constituents have no access to transportation. Long lines to vote discourage people who are poor from voting because they can't afford to spend so much time away from work.

I believe elections should be secure and ID should be required. Ids shouldn't have so many regulatory hurdles to to get. A free id card should be given to every citizen of a state upon reaching 18. A driver's license is different. I think your constitutional right to vote shouldn't be taken away for petty offenses. There are some offenses against humanity and the state that are worthy of losing your right to vote.

Voting is very important and should be protected. This county has a history of bombing polling places to prevent minorities from voting. There has also been disenfranchisement of women.

Democrats, get better supporters. Really. You’re jealous of us for having more committed voters. And we’re tired of replacements telling us how our country’s getting run. If you want to win, Democrats, then go get your own paramilitaries.

Which side am I going to be on. I’m with the Founders. If you can make it to vote, you don’t count for 3/5 anymore. You’re welcome.

The whole "we're with the Founders" is total BS. You are such a sucker for the GOP marketing machine. Patriotism! Family values! Fiscal responsibility!

All while adhering to none of these and making up what "the Founders' meant as it suits them to maintain their wealth and the wealth of their donors. And you idiots fall for it every time.

[Anonymous]

OP I’m a moderate democrat, actually like a few republicans like Hogan.

When people have to wait 8-10 hours in line to vote its suppression. When someone has to choose between losing a days pay and coming up short for groceries or voting it’s suppression. When the 90 year grandmother gets told she’s no longer recorded to vote and to drive 10 miles away to a different location, even though she’s been going to that location for a decade and this is only happening in minority neighborhoods , it’s suppression. When a state official throws out all the votes from areas that vote against their party it’s suppression.

Voting should be easy. Elected officials should be focusing on how to get more people to vote.

If everyone votes, there would be less division and ironically more support for state functions over federal. Minimum wage is a good example. If everyone had equal, unfettered and easy access to vote and then did so there would be no need for a federal minimum wage. If everyone in Alabama and Mississippi voted then if they decided that 60% of the working population should make $6 rather than $15 then fine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Democrats have been losing state races the last 10 years in key states and this is just sour grapes not that maps are about to redrawn. The hyperbole is ridiculous and just for headlines.

LOL, you realize Dems get more votes in states like Wisconsin, but hyper gerrymandering from the right keeps them in the minority, right?

Please.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Question for the OP... As a "rational conservative" you DO know that "ThERe WuZ MaSSIvE FrAUd! ThEY StOLe tHE EleCtIOn fROm TrUMp!!" was a lie, right?

And you do know that the spate of state laws making it harder to vote were based on that lie, right?

Agree, OP?

Op here - I 100% believe trump is a deranged idiot and lost the election.

So connect the dots...where is the voter fraud that justifies the bills being passed at the state level?