Masking (kn95/n95)

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Anonymous wrote:Putting kn95 masks on little kids for 6-7 hours a day is cruel

Agreed.

So is long covid, but whatevs.

Long Covid might or might not even be a thing.

So, yeah, whatevs.

Yeah? Give it some time

I guess you feel the same about vaccine mandates then?

The Pifzer study for kids is ongoing for 24 months since it started. Long term effects might or might not be a thing, right? We’ll know in about 18 more months.

Definitely no vaccine mandates for kids until we have more data. Just like we need more data on long covid.

The comparisons you are suggesting are very different and I will not be sucked into your attempt at derailment.

Not at all.

The point is that we should be making decisions based on science and data.

Where is the long term data on long Covid in kids? There is none.

Where is the long term data on the Covid shot in 7 year olds? There is none.

Either you value the importance data or you don’t. You don’t get to pick and choose. I want our public health experts making decisions based on data. We all should want that. Not based on fear. And not based on what benefits Pfizer stockholders the most.

Nothing is long term because we haven't been in this pandemic long enough to collect data on it- everyone knows that. Especially Omicron.

That said, kids do get long covid and there a LOT of unknowns

Yale Medicine: What Happens When Kids Get Long COVID?
https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/long-covid-in-kids

Long covid: One in seven children may still have symptoms 15 weeks after infection, data show
https://www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n2157

NCBI Long Covid in Kids
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7927578/

Long COVID in children: How long might it last?
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/long-covid-in-children-how-long-might-it-last

Long COVID in kids is worrying the experts: ‘It affects everybody differently and at different timescales’
https://fortune.com/2021/10/20/long-covid-kids-uk-schools-vaccines/

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Putting kn95 masks on little kids for 6-7 hours a day is cruel

Agreed.

So is long covid, but whatevs.

Long Covid might or might not even be a thing.

So, yeah, whatevs.

Yeah? Give it some time

I guess you feel the same about vaccine mandates then?

The Pifzer study for kids is ongoing for 24 months since it started. Long term effects might or might not be a thing, right? We’ll know in about 18 more months.

Definitely no vaccine mandates for kids until we have more data. Just like we need more data on long covid.

The comparisons you are suggesting are very different and I will not be sucked into your attempt at derailment.

Not at all.

The point is that we should be making decisions based on science and data.

Where is the long term data on long Covid in kids? There is none.

Where is the long term data on the Covid shot in 7 year olds? There is none.

Either you value the importance data or you don’t. You don’t get to pick and choose. I want our public health experts making decisions based on data. We all should want that. Not based on fear. And not based on what benefits Pfizer stockholders the most.

Except that no vaccine has ever had a long-term surprise side effect pop up years later, so while it's not impossible, it's vanishingly unlikely.

Whereas lots of virus cause pervasive damage to the body and result in long-term effects that only show up years later (encephalitis for measles, shingles for chicken pox, etc.) So it's solidly within the realm of possibility.

(And I don't know how long covid fits into this conversation, but it's something we already know about and is definitely real, the only question is how common it is.)

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Anonymous wrote:Good luck in finding the childsize anywhere near the volume that would be needed.

And good luck getting kids to comply with using them.

oh we have them. I just want more of the classmates to have them. Most are still in cloth masks.

Focus on your own kids and their masks. Please let other parents manage their own child.

This. I’m fine with my kids in cloth masks. You do what works for you and let other parents do what works for them. TYVM

except your kid in the cloth mask contributes to spread
https://twitter.com/seungminkim/status/1478867026542219264/photo/1

It's really too bad public health officials didn't speak more forcefully about the shortcomings of cloth masks earlier. At this point people are just tired and distrustful when what they were told was fine for nearly two years isn't anymore.

Many of us have been. It's political will. Cloth masks are better for droplet based transmission. KN95 are for airborne. There is reluctance to name covid as airborne transmission because then they actually have to do something about the ventiliation and can't just tell us to wash our hands and go

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Good luck in finding the childsize anywhere near the volume that would be needed.

And good luck getting kids to comply with using them.

oh we have them. I just want more of the classmates to have them. Most are still in cloth masks.

Focus on your own kids and their masks. Please let other parents manage their own child.

This. I’m fine with my kids in cloth masks. You do what works for you and let other parents do what works for them. TYVM

except your kid in the cloth mask contributes to spread
https://twitter.com/seungminkim/status/1478867026542219264/photo/1

It's really too bad public health officials didn't speak more forcefully about the shortcomings of cloth masks earlier. At this point people are just tired and distrustful when what they were told was fine for nearly two years isn't anymore.

Many of us have been. It's political will. Cloth masks are better for droplet based transmission. KN95 are for airborne. There is reluctance to name covid as airborne transmission because then they actually have to do something about the ventiliation and can't just tell us to wash our hands and go

See the work of Dr. Abraar Karan