Antiwork movement

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Anonymous wrote:I joined this movement, but I call it 'retirement'.

IKR? Nobody has a problem with retirement, early retirement, FIRE, or being so wealthy you don't have to work. But young people living within their means (whatever the source of those means) to avoid a dead-end traditional job is somehow triggering.

I have a traditional 9-5 job and a nice lifestyle. If I could afford my lifestyle without working I'd quit tomorrow. I have several friends who made different lifestyle choices (no house, no kids) and have non traditional income or temporary jobs. They're not in debt or mooching, they just made different choices.

Because now the boomers wont get their cheap labor to prop up their cheap meals out at Applebees or get to shout at some confused college kid in the hardware store. They hate the loss of power

This.

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Anonymous wrote:So this is why everything is short staffed nowadays?

No. Most of the missing workers are Boomers who retired earlier than anticipated. But the media never misses a chance to blame those ~*~eNtitLEd MiLlennIaLS~*~ for anything that confuses the masses.

https://www.businessinsider.com/labor-shortage-millions-retired-early-pandemic-not-going-back-2021-11

Yep. I said goodbye to three, not one, but three of my colleagues today. They waited to retire on the last day to maximize their annual leave payout check. Others left last year. That's what younger workers on this board have been seeking - older workers leave. So that's what is happening in droves.

Are you for real man? Boomers are only leaving because it's what's best for them. Not because we Millennials want them to. And of course they're squeezing every last drop on their way out. Eff off.

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Moving to a different job for twice the pay has nothing to do with the anti work movement.

You're not understanding the anti-work movement. It's about not putting up with bad working conditions. It's across many types of jobs. It's nurses leaving because the hospital has the money to pay travel nurses but not staff nurses. It's teachers leaving because they don't get support from admin on kids' horrible behavior issues. It's also the hourly employee at Starbucks who has a bad manager that demands too much. These people are not leaving their current jobs to sit in a parent's basement. They are leaving to find an opportunity where they feel valued and supported.

Antiwork is not “sit in your parents” basement” (what a tired old person line). It’s antiexploitation.

GenX homeowner

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Anonymous wrote:I have read this entire thread and am still confused.

Are these people against work in general or against abusive employers? "Antiwork" as a title is as bad as "defund the police" in terms of ambiguity.

If they're against work in general, then I am fine with that, as long as they don't then turn around and expect me (and others who work for a living) to financially support them. Most people work out of necessity, but some are financially independent and can do what they want.

If they're against abusive employers, then I think that they should quit and find other jobs. There is no shortage of "help wanted" signs around me and, I suspect, in most areas of the US. I have quit an abusive job (I was assigned to a new boss who expected me to do things that I was never expected to do when I was hired, such as being available for work during vacation times) for another job, and would encourage others to do the same. In this case, the group should be called "anti-abusive workplaces" or something more specific.

If they actually want working people to subsidize their choice to not work, then they can go screw themselves. I'm not doing that, and I can't imagine that they'll get many supporters of their cause.

Confusing thread.

I'm with you. I don't fully understand the movement, or the thread.

I mean, isn't work part of a social contract that we all have? We do things that need to be done, and we get paid for that. Of course no one should stick with an abusive boss. But I'm not sure what is abusive and what is people being told they have to follow certain policies, or earn x dollars instead of y dollars.

I think the confusing part is that, as in this thread, there are some people advocating for unions, better pay, better working conditions, etc. and then there are also a bunch of childish idiots who just don’t want to work. When the latter take up the “antiwork” mantle and speak on behalf of the former, it’s problematic.

I have seen no one like that speaking for the movement, just people on this thread who have no idea what antiwork is insisting that they exist, that they are lazy entitled millennials, and that they represent the movement [that the speaker doesn't understand]. So now we're talking about what bad guys these imaginary mooches are and appropriate branding instead of workers' rights, just as the sealions intended.

The thread lost me after the millennials started calling the other millennials senile boomers

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Anonymous wrote:So this was why I had to wait for a table for 30 minutes last night, and it took 40 minutes to get drinks.

Oh, the horror! We’re all here for you in this terrible moment.

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Anonymous wrote:Millennial here, I quit my sad toxic corporate job to work at a small but elite institution for 2x pay. I didn't quit to play video games in my moms basement.

That’s not what the anti work movement is, though. They are explicitly not about work reforms or increased worker rights-they don’t think people should have to work if they don’t want to-I think it’s tied to the ubi movement. What you’re describing is completely different.

Um, you must be joking or extremely clueless about the movement. LOL just stating open lies now?

I don’t know what to tell you, friend! Do some more research.

How about you take your own advice, lying boomer clown? What an idiot of massive proportions.

This is embarrassing. I’m not even anti anti-work and am pro ubi! It’s slogan is abolish work, ffs.

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You seem genuinely clueless, and for that I feel bad for you. Still, everyone, no matter their intellectual level, should at least ATTEMPT to research or understand something before spouting off nonsense. Good luck. Maybe youre senile

NP. How old are you?

How old are you?

Lol yikes, you just answered my question

And you just answered THEIR question with your “Lol.”

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Anonymous wrote:Millennial here, I quit my sad toxic corporate job to work at a small but elite institution for 2x pay. I didn't quit to play video games in my moms basement.

That’s not what the anti work movement is, though. They are explicitly not about work reforms or increased worker rights-they don’t think people should have to work if they don’t want to-I think it’s tied to the ubi movement. What you’re describing is completely different.

Um, you must be joking or extremely clueless about the movement. LOL just stating open lies now?

I don’t know what to tell you, friend! Do some more research.

How about you take your own advice, lying boomer clown? What an idiot of massive proportions.

This is embarrassing. I’m not even anti anti-work and am pro ubi! It’s slogan is abolish work, ffs.

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You seem genuinely clueless, and for that I feel bad for you. Still, everyone, no matter their intellectual level, should at least ATTEMPT to research or understand something before spouting off nonsense. Good luck. Maybe youre senile

NP. How old are you?

How old are you?

Lol yikes, you just answered my question

And you just answered THEIR question with your “Lol.”

Lol

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Anonymous wrote:So this is why everything is short staffed nowadays?

No, the businesses don't pay. If they can't attract/retain employees - their business model is fundamentally flawed. But for some reason they keep asking about the 'workers'.

It’s time for loser companies to go under and make room for better companies/hiring managers.

+1. This misconception that anyone who wants to is entitled to own a business and underpay their employees needs to die. If your business model isn’t viable and requires exploiting people, your business needs to go under and you need to go get a job. Simple.

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For anyone who’s curious https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwork/

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Anonymous wrote:What do people think of this? People, especially millennials and Gen z, are quitting en masse and basically refusing to work. There are employment shortages all over the country. Workers are striking more than ever before.

What are people's thoughts?

It’s most low paid jobs. Immigration is at an all time low. The US population grew at less than 1%. So yep…not enough people to fill less desirable jobs.

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Higher wages fixes this problem.

If there even is a problem. Op, wants to be dramatic to the very extreme.

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Anonymous wrote:Millennial here, I quit my sad toxic corporate job to work at a small but elite institution for 2x pay. I didn't quit to play video games in my moms basement.

That’s not what the anti work movement is, though. They are explicitly not about work reforms or increased worker rights-they don’t think people should have to work if they don’t want to-I think it’s tied to the ubi movement. What you’re describing is completely different.

Um, you must be joking or extremely clueless about the movement. LOL just stating open lies now?

I don’t know what to tell you, friend! Do some more research.

How about you take your own advice, lying boomer clown? What an idiot of massive proportions.

This is embarrassing. I’m not even anti anti-work and am pro ubi! It’s slogan is abolish work, ffs.

What does ubi mean?

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Anonymous wrote:I'm 37, make over 200K a year, and have worked since I was 16 with the longest break being 2 weeks for my wedding and honeymoon. I've managed teams as large as 18.

I find many of the anti-work points compelling. At a minimum, I think a lot more people should be unionizing.

Same. I shouldn't want this since I'm an elite white collar worker who is treated well, slagged my way to the mid-top and will always be working for a paycheck. I shouldn't want everything else to become more expensive and lessen my own paycheck.

If you've never worked a minimum wage job, you need to listen to these people. I'm a lawyer now but I worked a bunch of minimum wage through high school and college. It's so ironic that you're lectured constantly on dedication and are expected to put up with mistreatment for minimum wage. I once quit a job because the manager scheduled me to work during my AP tests and told me being a cashier was more important than my education.

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The number of times, even at white collar jobs, I've had bosses try to get me to work for free (i.e. "everyone works through lunch" or "brendon always stay for a couple hours after, just to finish everything up") is crazy. The number of times I've had those bosses require me to work through holidays, including Christmas, is also crazy. The attitude they have, like they just want to squeeze every drop they can out of you for as least money as possible, is dehumanizing and gross.

You can be a company and also treat people like human beings. You can be a manager and also a decent human being with some compassion that allows people to keep their dignity.

Millennials did this same thing with #MeToo and everyone laughed at the beginning. Now theyre coming for this messed up work culture. And I'm glad. Because it's high time it ends. I work for myself now, but I remember the mistreatment, and it was really awful. Cant imagine how bad it is for those struggling with a family on minimum wage or something

Good post.

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UBI is universal basic income

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Anonymous wrote:I joined this movement, but I call it 'retirement'.

IKR? Nobody has a problem with retirement, early retirement, FIRE, or being so wealthy you don't have to work. But young people living within their means (whatever the source of those means) to avoid a dead-end traditional job is somehow triggering.

I have a traditional 9-5 job and a nice lifestyle. If I could afford my lifestyle without working I'd quit tomorrow. I have several friends who made different lifestyle choices (no house, no kids) and have non traditional income or temporary jobs. They're not in debt or mooching, they just made different choices.

UH, YES THEY DO. I’m fully retired (SAHM of tweens and teens), my H is semi retired (he dabbles in some projects but out of interest, not the need for money) due to an IPO payout.

Do you know how many people say they would be bored and not know what to do with a full schedule of leisure time and hobbies??

I can’t stand the rise and grind people. I think they need to get a life. Quite literally! Find yourselves some hobbies. Get a dog. Travel. Spend more time with your loved ones, especially your parents, while everyone is still in good health. Think about something besides money!!

I mean, I agree with you about the hobbies, travel, and pets, but the only people who don’t have to think about money are those who have a lot of it. You said yourself that your husband got an IPO payout. I think I’d be darling at being retired, but I can’t yet. So your suggestion exposes your privilege.

Life is very expensive, esp "travel & hobbies".
I find it interesting to see the approval of those that follow their passion, such as life as an artist or horseback rider - yet no one acknowledges that fact that Larla can do these things due to her family's wealth. Literally makes no money at all as horseback rider, competing all over the world. No need for a retirement fund...