Antiwork movement

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting article in the paper today about movement to bring more tech to fast food and similar work places to compensate for worker shortages. Turns out people aren’t irreplaceable, at least in the long run.

The US population is too stupid to plug in a fast food order at an automated kiosk. They won't be able to call it fast food if they replace all the workers. Ever notice the self checkout line at the grocery store actually moves slower?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting article in the paper today about movement to bring more tech to fast food and similar work places to compensate for worker shortages. Turns out people aren’t irreplaceable, at least in the long run.

The US population is too stupid to plug in a fast food order at an automated kiosk. They won't be able to call it fast food if they replace all the workers. Ever notice the self checkout line at the grocery store actually moves slower?

NP and I can't speak for everyone but I use the app at Chik Fil A. I order and click that I am at the restaurant before I leave the house and my order is waiting for me when I get there, so much faster than sitting in the drive through with everyone else.

Self-checkout if you have a few items is definitely faster than waiting in the one or two lines that are open at the store. Even each individual lane moves slower (of course it does, you're crammed into this tiny area and you don't have the benefit of a customer bagging/loading stuff in your cart) there are six to either kiosks to use so the line as a whole moves faster.

On the bolded, people are always replaceable its just a question as to when the cost of labor exceeds the cost of automation and as wages rise and AI gets better we will (hopefully) see more automation and error reduction in fast food.

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Anonymous wrote:Antiwork is roughly 50% genuine and 50% foreign agitators (Chinese and Russian) trying to radicalize young people here who never worked in the crappy jobs people complain about in that subreddit

Why do these communists have so much $ to pay for agitators

I can't tell if you're serious, so I'll take this at face value.

1) Neither Russia or China are communist. That's not a defense of communism against the bad press of authoritarian regimes - it's just a fact. It's hard to be precise when it comes to forms/philosophies of government, but this is an easy call.

2) Our adversaries are more than happy to invest boatloads into destabilizing society in the US. They couldn't beat us in a conventional war even if we all had the collective appetite for such a thing, so they've moved on to asymmetrical attacks like cyber, mis/disinformation, and the like. Others like Iran are also in on this, as well as many domestically bred actors.

3) It costs virtually nothing to attack us in this way, exploiting the openness of our society and our naive trust. The ROI is tremendous and, frankly, they'd be fools to pass up on the opportunity.

Do agree then that their forces instigating the other side to get mad at things like election results, vaccines, etc?

PP here.

That is exactly what they're doing. That's not all that they're doing, and not all agitation is a result of external influence, but - yes - our adversaries are fomenting domestic strife across a range of topics.

This is interesting, do you think tecents stake in Reddit have anything to do this this?

I don't know of evidence pointing to that. And China isn't the biggest offender in these activities - it's Russia by far, then Iran. China has different objectives that don't necessarily align to destabilizing our society.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is a global movement that is beyond immigration, boomer retirement and your baby-sitting woes. The U.S is not the only country experiencing this "movement" (See Lie Flat in China) and labor shortage is worldwide (Google is your friend). Workers are tired of long work hours, multiple jobs, low pay and just downright bossy bosses.

The pandemic gave lots of workers the downtime they needed to asses their work/life priorities. Some have just decided that being self-employed with less money may be more beneficial than working at Wendy's.

Japan's Hikikomori and NEET's were the canaries in the cave mine to the antiwork movement, but the west just shrugged it off and thought it wouldn't happen here. Hell, Japans post Bubble Era Lost Decades should've been the wake up call.

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting article in the paper today about movement to bring more tech to fast food and similar work places to compensate for worker shortages. Turns out people aren’t irreplaceable, at least in the long run.

The US population is too stupid to plug in a fast food order at an automated kiosk. They won't be able to call it fast food if they replace all the workers. Ever notice the self checkout line at the grocery store actually moves slower?

NP and I can't speak for everyone but I use the app at Chik Fil A. I order and click that I am at the restaurant before I leave the house and my order is waiting for me when I get there, so much faster than sitting in the drive through with everyone else.

Self-checkout if you have a few items is definitely faster than waiting in the one or two lines that are open at the store. Even each individual lane moves slower (of course it does, you're crammed into this tiny area and you don't have the benefit of a customer bagging/loading stuff in your cart) there are six to either kiosks to use so the line as a whole moves faster.

On the bolded, people are always replaceable its just a question as to when the cost of labor exceeds the cost of automation and as wages rise and AI gets better we will (hopefully) see more automation and error reduction in fast food.

It's a very intriguing situation. Will AI actually come to replace most workers and lead us to a world where we can survive with far fewer workers. Which is not necessarily good... Today's labor shortage can easily turn into tomorrow's high unemployment as employers prefer the cheaper AI, particularly in service economies jobs but even in some professional occupations.

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Will AI actually come to replace most workers and lead us to a world where we can survive with far fewer workers. Which is not necessarily good... Today's labor shortage can easily turn into tomorrow's high unemployment as employers prefer the cheaper AI, particularly in service economies jobs but even in some professional occupations.

People have been concerned about job loss due to automation since the industrial revolution. It hasn't happened yet. Jobs change, but the number doesn't go away. Maybe this time will be different, but I doubt it.