Just in place where I feel it sucks to be the parent of black children.

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You cannot generalize about what is being taught in American schools. Yes, real history is being taught in some places, but certainly not in places with right-wing school boards, which cover much of the country. And where so-called "real" history is being taught, it's of recent enough vintage that many of today's adults were not privy to those "real" history lessons. Hell, many of them were raised on the Lost Cause narrative of the Civil War and Reconstruction, which was the mainstream take in this country well into the late 20th century.

There is most certainly a project to make it more difficult for schools to teach the darker chapters, as exemplified by the moves to ban titles about civil rights heroes, etc. When the standard (as inscribed in legislation being pushed around the country) is we can't teach anything that makes any group feel bad, the real goal is a scrubbing of American history of anything but the heroic (even though the heroic and tragic are often inextricably linked).

No. This is part of a long-term project to establish Patriotic Education such as that seen in the PRC. The parents that got riled up by so-called CRT were useful pawns in that enterprise, as were the wokie dokes of the day (i.e., Kendi and co.) who played the role of convenient foils that even most black folks could care less about. Classic strategy of misdirection that the GOP used (and will continue to use) to scare up votes, win elections, and then continue their effort to make it more difficult for black folks to vote (and/or easier to toss their votes out). That is the real material, practical outcome of all this.

Oh jeez. Lost Cause? No kid is taught that in school. No adult learned that in school.

That's what you think you're fighting? Really?

Uhh...yes, many living-breathing adults today were, in fact, raised on the Lost Cause narrative. Period.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/slavery-history-virginia-textbook/2020/07/31/d8571eda-d1f0-11ea-8c55-61e7fa5e82ab_story.html

That writer was in 4th grade in 67. He's a Boomer. Do we really need to fight about what Boomers learned in grade school? We didn't learn that in 4th grade. Can we look at what our 4th graders are learning now?

Yes - let’s look at that. You seem to imply that American schools have almost universally long since provided students with an accurate accounting on slavery, the Civil War, and it’s aftermath. This is decidedly not the case.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2019/08/28/teaching-slavery-schools/

This WaPo article is a joke with an agenda. I have been teaching history for almost 20 years and have been reviewing textbooks, curriculum catalogs and lesson plans throughout that period. No one is hiding the truth about slavery. In fact, because many curricula focus on oppression narratives to the exclusion of other stories, and the resulting impression of U.S. history is overwhelmingly negative or leaves tremendous gaps in knowledge. Other lesson plans make assertions that are not based in data and sources but follow a certain narrative that becomes popular with teachers who lack content knowledge (See 1619 Project as one example). If you are concerned, please review the materials used in your own school district. You will definitely not find what you imagine.

Agree 100%.

The WaPo has become a pathetic joke. It can no longer be considered journalism in any sense of the word.

The emphasis on slavery means little and is actually a cynical diversion from the more proximately relevant story of how black folks were systematically excluded from the New Deal and Post-WWII largesse that created the white middle class as we know it today. Frankly, casting slavery as the central “oppression narrative” is convenient for many people who can honestly say that they never owned a slave or benefited from slavery, and at any rate, no one today was a slave right. Yeah - slavery was bad, failed reconstruction was a tragic betrayal, but even as recent as mid 20th century, the country had a chance to extend real economic opportunity to black folks. But, as whites (including recent immigrants) were elevated into the new middle class by the GI bill, FHA loans to buy homes, etc., black folks were told to take a hike, your sacrifices in WWII be damned. Here’s the real test: how many 18-35 years olds are aware of this history? Most Americans don’t have clue…and don’t want one.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I’m the mom of a Black boy who is growing up very quickly and I’m so fearful. My adorable toddler that white people loved because he was the cutest thing around, is now a 49” tall kindergartner who looks 8 to them. What is going to happen when he is 12 and looks 16? We already are fighting with teachers to treat him like a kindergartner and not an 8 year old. How will I teach him to navigate this world?

Yes - this a very scary thing. I’m get really apprehensive when my son engages in rowdy, loud play with his non-black friends (all nice kids by the way). All normal stuff, but I’m tempted to tell him to just back away for a bit, or at least don’t hang in more than groups of 2 or 3 boys. On the other hand, I bristle at having to put those thoughts in his head and crushing his spirit. Then again, I also don’t want him to resent white people for not having to think about these things. My parents were very blunt with me about all this stuff, but they grew up poor in the Jim Crow south and probably had a different index on these things. It’s complicated as hell, but I’ve never known anything different and can’t imagine any other world.

White female teacher here. I have to constantly question my own behavior and attitudes. I am really hard to reject some deeply ingrained assumptions. It is all too easy to view the physical activity and boisterousness of black children as somehow more aggressive than that of white children. It is not, so should not be treated as such. It’s shocking and disturbing to discover that my brain goes there. I understand your dilemma completely. Please know that teachers care deeply for your child and many of us are fighting those assumptions actively. BLM mattered. It woke many of us. Progress has been made and will continue. But it takes a hell of a long time to overcome our past sins. I see you and I care.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I’m the mom of a Black boy who is growing up very quickly and I’m so fearful. My adorable toddler that white people loved because he was the cutest thing around, is now a 49” tall kindergartner who looks 8 to them. What is going to happen when he is 12 and looks 16? We already are fighting with teachers to treat him like a kindergartner and not an 8 year old. How will I teach him to navigate this world?

Yes - this a very scary thing. I’m get really apprehensive when my son engages in rowdy, loud play with his non-black friends (all nice kids by the way). All normal stuff, but I’m tempted to tell him to just back away for a bit, or at least don’t hang in more than groups of 2 or 3 boys. On the other hand, I bristle at having to put those thoughts in his head and crushing his spirit. Then again, I also don’t want him to resent white people for not having to think about these things. My parents were very blunt with me about all this stuff, but they grew up poor in the Jim Crow south and probably had a different index on these things. It’s complicated as hell, but I’ve never known anything different and can’t imagine any other world.

White female teacher here. I have to constantly question my own behavior and attitudes. I am really hard to reject some deeply ingrained assumptions. It is all too easy to view the physical activity and boisterousness of black children as somehow more aggressive than that of white children. It is not, so should not be treated as such. It’s shocking and disturbing to discover that my brain goes there. I understand your dilemma completely. Please know that teachers care deeply for your child and many of us are fighting those assumptions actively. BLM mattered. It woke many of us. Progress has been made and will continue. But it takes a hell of a long time to overcome our past sins. I see you and I care.

Are you saying that black children behave differently than white children?

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I’m the mom of a Black boy who is growing up very quickly and I’m so fearful. My adorable toddler that white people loved because he was the cutest thing around, is now a 49” tall kindergartner who looks 8 to them. What is going to happen when he is 12 and looks 16? We already are fighting with teachers to treat him like a kindergartner and not an 8 year old. How will I teach him to navigate this world?

Yes - this a very scary thing. I’m get really apprehensive when my son engages in rowdy, loud play with his non-black friends (all nice kids by the way). All normal stuff, but I’m tempted to tell him to just back away for a bit, or at least don’t hang in more than groups of 2 or 3 boys. On the other hand, I bristle at having to put those thoughts in his head and crushing his spirit. Then again, I also don’t want him to resent white people for not having to think about these things. My parents were very blunt with me about all this stuff, but they grew up poor in the Jim Crow south and probably had a different index on these things. It’s complicated as hell, but I’ve never known anything different and can’t imagine any other world.

White female teacher here. I have to constantly question my own behavior and attitudes. I am really hard to reject some deeply ingrained assumptions. It is all too easy to view the physical activity and boisterousness of black children as somehow more aggressive than that of white children. It is not, so should not be treated as such. It’s shocking and disturbing to discover that my brain goes there. I understand your dilemma completely. Please know that teachers care deeply for your child and many of us are fighting those assumptions actively. BLM mattered. It woke many of us. Progress has been made and will continue. But it takes a hell of a long time to overcome our past sins. I see you and I care.

Are you saying that black children behave differently than white children?

I think it’s clear that she’s NOT saying that, but I think you feign misunderstanding for the sake of injecting controversy. Yes, let’s make the self-aware white lady out to be racist. People that are capable of being honest about their own biases should be applauded, not derided on the sly. We need more like her and less petty folks looking to score cheap points, which does nothing for my black boys.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I’m the mom of a Black boy who is growing up very quickly and I’m so fearful. My adorable toddler that white people loved because he was the cutest thing around, is now a 49” tall kindergartner who looks 8 to them. What is going to happen when he is 12 and looks 16? We already are fighting with teachers to treat him like a kindergartner and not an 8 year old. How will I teach him to navigate this world?

Yes - this a very scary thing. I’m get really apprehensive when my son engages in rowdy, loud play with his non-black friends (all nice kids by the way). All normal stuff, but I’m tempted to tell him to just back away for a bit, or at least don’t hang in more than groups of 2 or 3 boys. On the other hand, I bristle at having to put those thoughts in his head and crushing his spirit. Then again, I also don’t want him to resent white people for not having to think about these things. My parents were very blunt with me about all this stuff, but they grew up poor in the Jim Crow south and probably had a different index on these things. It’s complicated as hell, but I’ve never known anything different and can’t imagine any other world.

White female teacher here. I have to constantly question my own behavior and attitudes. I am really hard to reject some deeply ingrained assumptions. It is all too easy to view the physical activity and boisterousness of black children as somehow more aggressive than that of white children. It is not, so should not be treated as such. It’s shocking and disturbing to discover that my brain goes there. I understand your dilemma completely. Please know that teachers care deeply for your child and many of us are fighting those assumptions actively. BLM mattered. It woke many of us. Progress has been made and will continue. But it takes a hell of a long time to overcome our past sins. I see you and I care.

Please don’t ever teach my children …

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You cannot generalize about what is being taught in American schools. Yes, real history is being taught in some places, but certainly not in places with right-wing school boards, which cover much of the country. And where so-called "real" history is being taught, it's of recent enough vintage that many of today's adults were not privy to those "real" history lessons. Hell, many of them were raised on the Lost Cause narrative of the Civil War and Reconstruction, which was the mainstream take in this country well into the late 20th century.

There is most certainly a project to make it more difficult for schools to teach the darker chapters, as exemplified by the moves to ban titles about civil rights heroes, etc. When the standard (as inscribed in legislation being pushed around the country) is we can't teach anything that makes any group feel bad, the real goal is a scrubbing of American history of anything but the heroic (even though the heroic and tragic are often inextricably linked).

No. This is part of a long-term project to establish Patriotic Education such as that seen in the PRC. The parents that got riled up by so-called CRT were useful pawns in that enterprise, as were the wokie dokes of the day (i.e., Kendi and co.) who played the role of convenient foils that even most black folks could care less about. Classic strategy of misdirection that the GOP used (and will continue to use) to scare up votes, win elections, and then continue their effort to make it more difficult for black folks to vote (and/or easier to toss their votes out). That is the real material, practical outcome of all this.

Oh jeez. Lost Cause? No kid is taught that in school. No adult learned that in school.

That's what you think you're fighting? Really?

Uhh...yes, many living-breathing adults today were, in fact, raised on the Lost Cause narrative. Period.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/slavery-history-virginia-textbook/2020/07/31/d8571eda-d1f0-11ea-8c55-61e7fa5e82ab_story.html

That writer was in 4th grade in 67. He's a Boomer. Do we really need to fight about what Boomers learned in grade school? We didn't learn that in 4th grade. Can we look at what our 4th graders are learning now?

Yes - let’s look at that. You seem to imply that American schools have almost universally long since provided students with an accurate accounting on slavery, the Civil War, and it’s aftermath. This is decidedly not the case.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2019/08/28/teaching-slavery-schools/

This WaPo article is a joke with an agenda. I have been teaching history for almost 20 years and have been reviewing textbooks, curriculum catalogs and lesson plans throughout that period. No one is hiding the truth about slavery. In fact, because many curricula focus on oppression narratives to the exclusion of other stories, and the resulting impression of U.S. history is overwhelmingly negative or leaves tremendous gaps in knowledge. Other lesson plans make assertions that are not based in data and sources but follow a certain narrative that becomes popular with teachers who lack content knowledge (See 1619 Project as one example). If you are concerned, please review the materials used in your own school district. You will definitely not find what you imagine.

Agree 100%.

The WaPo has become a pathetic joke. It can no longer be considered journalism in any sense of the word.

The emphasis on slavery means little and is actually a cynical diversion from the more proximately relevant story of how black folks were systematically excluded from the New Deal and Post-WWII largesse that created the white middle class as we know it today. Frankly, casting slavery as the central “oppression narrative” is convenient for many people who can honestly say that they never owned a slave or benefited from slavery, and at any rate, no one today was a slave right. Yeah - slavery was bad, failed reconstruction was a tragic betrayal, but even as recent as mid 20th century, the country had a chance to extend real economic opportunity to black folks. But, as whites (including recent immigrants) were elevated into the new middle class by the GI bill, FHA loans to buy homes, etc., black folks were told to take a hike, your sacrifices in WWII be damned. Here’s the real test: how many 18-35 years olds are aware of this history? Most Americans don’t have clue…and don’t want one.

This is a very good point. I think affirmative action is trying to compensate for this though. Of course, white people don’t like giving up anything, so they’re holding onto their legacy spots and sacrificing Asians.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I’m the mom of a Black boy who is growing up very quickly and I’m so fearful. My adorable toddler that white people loved because he was the cutest thing around, is now a 49” tall kindergartner who looks 8 to them. What is going to happen when he is 12 and looks 16? We already are fighting with teachers to treat him like a kindergartner and not an 8 year old. How will I teach him to navigate this world?

Yes - this a very scary thing. I’m get really apprehensive when my son engages in rowdy, loud play with his non-black friends (all nice kids by the way). All normal stuff, but I’m tempted to tell him to just back away for a bit, or at least don’t hang in more than groups of 2 or 3 boys. On the other hand, I bristle at having to put those thoughts in his head and crushing his spirit. Then again, I also don’t want him to resent white people for not having to think about these things. My parents were very blunt with me about all this stuff, but they grew up poor in the Jim Crow south and probably had a different index on these things. It’s complicated as hell, but I’ve never known anything different and can’t imagine any other world.

White female teacher here. I have to constantly question my own behavior and attitudes. I am really hard to reject some deeply ingrained assumptions. It is all too easy to view the physical activity and boisterousness of black children as somehow more aggressive than that of white children. It is not, so should not be treated as such. It’s shocking and disturbing to discover that my brain goes there. I understand your dilemma completely. Please know that teachers care deeply for your child and many of us are fighting those assumptions actively. BLM mattered. It woke many of us. Progress has been made and will continue. But it takes a hell of a long time to overcome our past sins. I see you and I care.

Are you saying that black children behave differently than white children?

I think it’s clear that she’s NOT saying that, but I think you feign misunderstanding for the sake of injecting controversy. Yes, let’s make the self-aware white lady out to be racist. People that are capable of being honest about their own biases should be applauded, not derided on the sly. We need more like her and less petty folks looking to score cheap points, which does nothing for my black boys.

woke (her word not mine) white lady

FTFY

[Anonymous]

The media has broken people’s brains. There are 40 million black people in the US and 300 of them are killed by police every year. (500 white people are killed by police annually). Many are doing things that contribute to that tragic outcome. That is not genocide and it doesn’t doom your kids.

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You cannot generalize about what is being taught in American schools. Yes, real history is being taught in some places, but certainly not in places with right-wing school boards, which cover much of the country. And where so-called "real" history is being taught, it's of recent enough vintage that many of today's adults were not privy to those "real" history lessons. Hell, many of them were raised on the Lost Cause narrative of the Civil War and Reconstruction, which was the mainstream take in this country well into the late 20th century.

There is most certainly a project to make it more difficult for schools to teach the darker chapters, as exemplified by the moves to ban titles about civil rights heroes, etc. When the standard (as inscribed in legislation being pushed around the country) is we can't teach anything that makes any group feel bad, the real goal is a scrubbing of American history of anything but the heroic (even though the heroic and tragic are often inextricably linked).

No. This is part of a long-term project to establish Patriotic Education such as that seen in the PRC. The parents that got riled up by so-called CRT were useful pawns in that enterprise, as were the wokie dokes of the day (i.e., Kendi and co.) who played the role of convenient foils that even most black folks could care less about. Classic strategy of misdirection that the GOP used (and will continue to use) to scare up votes, win elections, and then continue their effort to make it more difficult for black folks to vote (and/or easier to toss their votes out). That is the real material, practical outcome of all this.

Oh jeez. Lost Cause? No kid is taught that in school. No adult learned that in school.

That's what you think you're fighting? Really?

Uhh...yes, many living-breathing adults today were, in fact, raised on the Lost Cause narrative. Period.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/slavery-history-virginia-textbook/2020/07/31/d8571eda-d1f0-11ea-8c55-61e7fa5e82ab_story.html

That writer was in 4th grade in 67. He's a Boomer. Do we really need to fight about what Boomers learned in grade school? We didn't learn that in 4th grade. Can we look at what our 4th graders are learning now?

Yes - let’s look at that. You seem to imply that American schools have almost universally long since provided students with an accurate accounting on slavery, the Civil War, and it’s aftermath. This is decidedly not the case.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2019/08/28/teaching-slavery-schools/

This WaPo article is a joke with an agenda. I have been teaching history for almost 20 years and have been reviewing textbooks, curriculum catalogs and lesson plans throughout that period. No one is hiding the truth about slavery. In fact, because many curricula focus on oppression narratives to the exclusion of other stories, and the resulting impression of U.S. history is overwhelmingly negative or leaves tremendous gaps in knowledge. Other lesson plans make assertions that are not based in data and sources but follow a certain narrative that becomes popular with teachers who lack content knowledge (See 1619 Project as one example). If you are concerned, please review the materials used in your own school district. You will definitely not find what you imagine.

Agree 100%.

The WaPo has become a pathetic joke. It can no longer be considered journalism in any sense of the word.

The emphasis on slavery means little and is actually a cynical diversion from the more proximately relevant story of how black folks were systematically excluded from the New Deal and Post-WWII largesse that created the white middle class as we know it today. Frankly, casting slavery as the central “oppression narrative” is convenient for many people who can honestly say that they never owned a slave or benefited from slavery, and at any rate, no one today was a slave right. Yeah - slavery was bad, failed reconstruction was a tragic betrayal, but even as recent as mid 20th century, the country had a chance to extend real economic opportunity to black folks. But, as whites (including recent immigrants) were elevated into the new middle class by the GI bill, FHA loans to buy homes, etc., black folks were told to take a hike, your sacrifices in WWII be damned. Here’s the real test: how many 18-35 years olds are aware of this history? Most Americans don’t have clue…and don’t want one.

This is a very good point. I think affirmative action is trying to compensate for this though. Of course, white people don’t like giving up anything, so they’re holding onto their legacy spots and sacrificing Asians.

Affirmative action is racist. Why? Race is used as the primary criteria. You want to dive into that water - know that you undermine the capabilities of all who want a fair and equal shot based on qualifications. “Legacy spots”???? How many white folks do you think have these so called spots? Lots of poor to middle class white folks looking for an equal chance. But affirmative action tosses their resume in the trash.

[Anonymous]

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You cannot generalize about what is being taught in American schools. Yes, real history is being taught in some places, but certainly not in places with right-wing school boards, which cover much of the country. And where so-called "real" history is being taught, it's of recent enough vintage that many of today's adults were not privy to those "real" history lessons. Hell, many of them were raised on the Lost Cause narrative of the Civil War and Reconstruction, which was the mainstream take in this country well into the late 20th century.

There is most certainly a project to make it more difficult for schools to teach the darker chapters, as exemplified by the moves to ban titles about civil rights heroes, etc. When the standard (as inscribed in legislation being pushed around the country) is we can't teach anything that makes any group feel bad, the real goal is a scrubbing of American history of anything but the heroic (even though the heroic and tragic are often inextricably linked).

No. This is part of a long-term project to establish Patriotic Education such as that seen in the PRC. The parents that got riled up by so-called CRT were useful pawns in that enterprise, as were the wokie dokes of the day (i.e., Kendi and co.) who played the role of convenient foils that even most black folks could care less about. Classic strategy of misdirection that the GOP used (and will continue to use) to scare up votes, win elections, and then continue their effort to make it more difficult for black folks to vote (and/or easier to toss their votes out). That is the real material, practical outcome of all this.

Oh jeez. Lost Cause? No kid is taught that in school. No adult learned that in school.

That's what you think you're fighting? Really?

Uhh...yes, many living-breathing adults today were, in fact, raised on the Lost Cause narrative. Period.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/slavery-history-virginia-textbook/2020/07/31/d8571eda-d1f0-11ea-8c55-61e7fa5e82ab_story.html

That writer was in 4th grade in 67. He's a Boomer. Do we really need to fight about what Boomers learned in grade school? We didn't learn that in 4th grade. Can we look at what our 4th graders are learning now?

Yes - let’s look at that. You seem to imply that American schools have almost universally long since provided students with an accurate accounting on slavery, the Civil War, and it’s aftermath. This is decidedly not the case.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2019/08/28/teaching-slavery-schools/

This WaPo article is a joke with an agenda. I have been teaching history for almost 20 years and have been reviewing textbooks, curriculum catalogs and lesson plans throughout that period. No one is hiding the truth about slavery. In fact, because many curricula focus on oppression narratives to the exclusion of other stories, and the resulting impression of U.S. history is overwhelmingly negative or leaves tremendous gaps in knowledge. Other lesson plans make assertions that are not based in data and sources but follow a certain narrative that becomes popular with teachers who lack content knowledge (See 1619 Project as one example). If you are concerned, please review the materials used in your own school district. You will definitely not find what you imagine.

Agree 100%.

The WaPo has become a pathetic joke. It can no longer be considered journalism in any sense of the word.

The emphasis on slavery means little and is actually a cynical diversion from the more proximately relevant story of how black folks were systematically excluded from the New Deal and Post-WWII largesse that created the white middle class as we know it today. Frankly, casting slavery as the central “oppression narrative” is convenient for many people who can honestly say that they never owned a slave or benefited from slavery, and at any rate, no one today was a slave right. Yeah - slavery was bad, failed reconstruction was a tragic betrayal, but even as recent as mid 20th century, the country had a chance to extend real economic opportunity to black folks. But, as whites (including recent immigrants) were elevated into the new middle class by the GI bill, FHA loans to buy homes, etc., black folks were told to take a hike, your sacrifices in WWII be damned. Here’s the real test: how many 18-35 years olds are aware of this history? Most Americans don’t have clue…and don’t want one.

This is a very good point. I think affirmative action is trying to compensate for this though. Of course, white people don’t like giving up anything, so they’re holding onto their legacy spots and sacrificing Asians.

Affirmative action is racist. Why? Race is used as the primary criteria. You want to dive into that water - know that you undermine the capabilities of all who want a fair and equal shot based on qualifications. “Legacy spots”???? How many white folks do you think have these so called spots? Lots of poor to middle class white folks looking for an equal chance. But affirmative action tosses their resume in the trash.

So this seems to argue for SES-based affirmative action so that middle class and poor whites can enter selective colleges with much lower scores than typically required of white applicants. I agree, but I’d wager that most selective schools would rather fill out their classes with the (likely) more competitive high-SES whites that were just below the cut.

Further, you vastly understate the impact of legacy admissions. At Harvard, for example, legacy admits comprised 33 percent for the Class of 2025. That right, one third of the class. So, statically-speaking, a middle class white kid is more likely to be bumped by a legacy admit versus and AA-beneficiary.

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You cannot generalize about what is being taught in American schools. Yes, real history is being taught in some places, but certainly not in places with right-wing school boards, which cover much of the country. And where so-called "real" history is being taught, it's of recent enough vintage that many of today's adults were not privy to those "real" history lessons. Hell, many of them were raised on the Lost Cause narrative of the Civil War and Reconstruction, which was the mainstream take in this country well into the late 20th century.

There is most certainly a project to make it more difficult for schools to teach the darker chapters, as exemplified by the moves to ban titles about civil rights heroes, etc. When the standard (as inscribed in legislation being pushed around the country) is we can't teach anything that makes any group feel bad, the real goal is a scrubbing of American history of anything but the heroic (even though the heroic and tragic are often inextricably linked).

No. This is part of a long-term project to establish Patriotic Education such as that seen in the PRC. The parents that got riled up by so-called CRT were useful pawns in that enterprise, as were the wokie dokes of the day (i.e., Kendi and co.) who played the role of convenient foils that even most black folks could care less about. Classic strategy of misdirection that the GOP used (and will continue to use) to scare up votes, win elections, and then continue their effort to make it more difficult for black folks to vote (and/or easier to toss their votes out). That is the real material, practical outcome of all this.

Oh jeez. Lost Cause? No kid is taught that in school. No adult learned that in school.

That's what you think you're fighting? Really?

Uhh...yes, many living-breathing adults today were, in fact, raised on the Lost Cause narrative. Period.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/slavery-history-virginia-textbook/2020/07/31/d8571eda-d1f0-11ea-8c55-61e7fa5e82ab_story.html

That writer was in 4th grade in 67. He's a Boomer. Do we really need to fight about what Boomers learned in grade school? We didn't learn that in 4th grade. Can we look at what our 4th graders are learning now?

Yes - let’s look at that. You seem to imply that American schools have almost universally long since provided students with an accurate accounting on slavery, the Civil War, and it’s aftermath. This is decidedly not the case.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2019/08/28/teaching-slavery-schools/

This WaPo article is a joke with an agenda. I have been teaching history for almost 20 years and have been reviewing textbooks, curriculum catalogs and lesson plans throughout that period. No one is hiding the truth about slavery. In fact, because many curricula focus on oppression narratives to the exclusion of other stories, and the resulting impression of U.S. history is overwhelmingly negative or leaves tremendous gaps in knowledge. Other lesson plans make assertions that are not based in data and sources but follow a certain narrative that becomes popular with teachers who lack content knowledge (See 1619 Project as one example). If you are concerned, please review the materials used in your own school district. You will definitely not find what you imagine.

Agree 100%.

The WaPo has become a pathetic joke. It can no longer be considered journalism in any sense of the word.

The emphasis on slavery means little and is actually a cynical diversion from the more proximately relevant story of how black folks were systematically excluded from the New Deal and Post-WWII largesse that created the white middle class as we know it today. Frankly, casting slavery as the central “oppression narrative” is convenient for many people who can honestly say that they never owned a slave or benefited from slavery, and at any rate, no one today was a slave right. Yeah - slavery was bad, failed reconstruction was a tragic betrayal, but even as recent as mid 20th century, the country had a chance to extend real economic opportunity to black folks. But, as whites (including recent immigrants) were elevated into the new middle class by the GI bill, FHA loans to buy homes, etc., black folks were told to take a hike, your sacrifices in WWII be damned. Here’s the real test: how many 18-35 years olds are aware of this history? Most Americans don’t have clue…and don’t want one.

This is a very good point. I think affirmative action is trying to compensate for this though. Of course, white people don’t like giving up anything, so they’re holding onto their legacy spots and sacrificing Asians.

Affirmative action is racist. Why? Race is used as the primary criteria. You want to dive into that water - know that you undermine the capabilities of all who want a fair and equal shot based on qualifications. “Legacy spots”???? How many white folks do you think have these so called spots? Lots of poor to middle class white folks looking for an equal chance. But affirmative action tosses their resume in the trash.

So this seems to argue for SES-based affirmative action so that middle class and poor whites can enter selective colleges with much lower scores than typically required of white applicants. I agree, but I’d wager that most selective schools would rather fill out their classes with the (likely) more competitive high-SES whites that were just below the cut.

Further, you vastly understate the impact of legacy admissions. At Harvard, for example, legacy admits comprised 33 percent for the Class of 2025. That right, one third of the class. So, statically-speaking, a middle class white kid is more likely to be bumped by a legacy admit versus and AA-beneficiary.

PP here / see link to Harvard legacy stats below
[/url]https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2021/10/28/high-time-to-end-legacy-admissions/[url]

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I feel the same way and I'm not even black. We are Jewish. I have never felt afraid before in this country, but I do now. I really fear for my family.