Just in place where I feel it sucks to be the parent of black children.

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Anonymous wrote:I just don’t get it. Where is the sense of perspective? You think bringing black kids into the world is abusive?

Did anyone think this in the 50s/60s? During Jim Crow? Things are monumentally better for black people and all people now. Massive legal reform, economic progress, equal (or better) representation in culture and the arts, black millionaires and billionaires, presidents and senators. Every elite institution is bending over backward to unload trucks of money for qualified black candidates. No company in America would even think of publishing an ad campaign not featuring POC or putting out a movie that doesn’t feature a heroic black or other POC lead character. Decades of rampant police abuse of POC is finally getting exposed for all to see and stamped out for good.

But… Virginia barely elected a Republican? And queue the hysteria?

I clearly have a view, but I’m honestly not trying to be insensitive or obtuse. The black people I’m close to—admittedly, rich and mostly from top schools, etc—are doing just great.

I genuinely just feel like people are living in alternate universes right now. We’re not even describing the same factual world.

If you’re seriously wondering what people thought in the 50s /60s there are plenty of resources out there and plenty of people that you can ask. I would say more, but I’m not clear from your diatribe that you’re here to learn. Do you know, for example, the percentage of Black kids who attend underfunded, racially segregated schools? Have you thought about how and why this reality came to be?
Here’s some fun reading for you.

https://www.epi.org/publication/schools-are-still-segregated-and-black-children-are-paying-a-price/

One quick question though: Who do I call to get access to those truckloads of money? I don’t want a lot. Just enough to feel reasonably secure both now and as I head towards retirement. I have an Ivy League degree, a PhD, and I can code switch with alacrity.

You may not be trying to be insensitive or obtuse, but if the Black people you are close to are “admittedly, rich and mostly from top schools, etc (and) doing just great”, you surely must realize that 1) those people are hardly representative of Black Americans as a demographic group, and 2) while they might truly be doing “just great”, you may or may not be privy to the stressors that they’re facing in the process.

I truly hope you’re right about police abuse of POC getting “stamped out for good” — but little that I’ve seen or read suggests that. Perhaps you can provide us with some data when you get tired from accusing people whose challenges you do not share of “hysteria “.

tldr: Things might be better in many respects for a few, and that’s great. Representation is also great. But we really are not living in the same world much of the time. If you would sincerely like to explore the issues that you’ve raised, consider starting another thread.

OP: Sometimes it IS hard, and it helps to have people in your Village who can see that too. I hope you have a strong support system.
I hope that things get better — for you and your family, and for us all. Sending positive thoughts your way.

I hope that your PhD allows you to analyze the data that shows that most majority Black, failing, inner city schools are spending lots more than suburban schools per pupil, and that those areas are almost always governed by Democrats. Yes, there are underfunded rural schools with Blacks, but I presume you can also look at the research and find that academic achievement is unrelated to dollars spent. Expectations rather than dollars dictate achievement. And any type of teaching, using whatever semantic term you would like, that teaches kids that they are society's victims and that the achievement level of their cultural group has been dictated by outsiders, is harmful to those expectations.

Yep, it does. And one of the things you’re overlooking is the disproportionate amount of money that many older schools need to spend on things like maintenance. And academic achievement is not “unrelated to dollars spent”. There are multiple ways to define and operationalize “academic achievement “ and multiple ways to “spend dollars”. Resurfacing a football field might not change the school wide test scores in reading for at-risk seventh graders, for example, while investing in individual tutoring, experienced teachers, and smaller classes might. Same dollars — different results.

I completely agree with your last sentence. We likely have very different ideas about how to best remedy such long-standing problems based in generations of segregated and often substandard educational systems.

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Anonymous wrote:You should get help OP. Your children are healthy ( hopefully). But, its so gross that you think that out of all the things that can make someone’s life difficult race is the end all. Get perspective - your not a woman in the middle east, someone fleeing from Russia/N.Korea, and your children aren’t born with chronic disabilities like ERB ( look it up).

Signed a black parent

Someone fleeing from North Korea will gain freedom if they are successful while a Black American born here will always have to deal with racism.

They also have a 90% chance of death. Black Americans are not trying to escape a murderous regime. Many are in fact getting welfare, part of the military, college professors, bus drivers, and doctors

I know the original PP is a black parent, but the comparison shouldn’t be to someone born in a different regime, but to another American child with a different skin tone.

Signed a brown parent of a white girl who I felt deep guilt about bringing into the world after the 2016 election.

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Anonymous wrote:You should get help OP. Your children are healthy ( hopefully). But, its so gross that you think that out of all the things that can make someone’s life difficult race is the end all. Get perspective - your not a woman in the middle east, someone fleeing from Russia/N.Korea, and your children aren’t born with chronic disabilities like ERB ( look it up).

Signed a black parent

Someone fleeing from North Korea will gain freedom if they are successful while a Black American born here will always have to deal with racism.

They also have a 90% chance of death. Black Americans are not trying to escape a murderous regime. Many are in fact getting welfare, part of the military, college professors, bus drivers, and doctors

I know the original PP is a black parent, but the comparison shouldn’t be to someone born in a different regime, but to another American child with a different skin tone.

Signed a brown parent of a white girl who I felt deep guilt about bringing into the world after the 2016 election.

Yes, I love when people toss out the “things could worse so shut up” line. In 1955, they could have said, you’re much better off than your ancestors, so why the complaints about voting right, segregation, etc.

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You cannot generalize about what is being taught in American schools. Yes, real history is being taught in some places, but certainly not in places with right-wing school boards, which cover much of the country. And where so-called "real" history is being taught, it's of recent enough vintage that many of today's adults were not privy to those "real" history lessons. Hell, many of them were raised on the Lost Cause narrative of the Civil War and Reconstruction, which was the mainstream take in this country well into the late 20th century.

There is most certainly a project to make it more difficult for schools to teach the darker chapters, as exemplified by the moves to ban titles about civil rights heroes, etc. When the standard (as inscribed in legislation being pushed around the country) is we can't teach anything that makes any group feel bad, the real goal is a scrubbing of American history of anything but the heroic (even though the heroic and tragic are often inextricably linked).

No. This is part of a long-term project to establish Patriotic Education such as that seen in the PRC. The parents that got riled up by so-called CRT were useful pawns in that enterprise, as were the wokie dokes of the day (i.e., Kendi and co.) who played the role of convenient foils that even most black folks could care less about. Classic strategy of misdirection that the GOP used (and will continue to use) to scare up votes, win elections, and then continue their effort to make it more difficult for black folks to vote (and/or easier to toss their votes out). That is the real material, practical outcome of all this.

Oh jeez. Lost Cause? No kid is taught that in school. No adult learned that in school.

That's what you think you're fighting? Really?

Uhh...yes, many living-breathing adults today were, in fact, raised on the Lost Cause narrative. Period.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/slavery-history-virginia-textbook/2020/07/31/d8571eda-d1f0-11ea-8c55-61e7fa5e82ab_story.html

That writer was in 4th grade in 67. He's a Boomer. Do we really need to fight about what Boomers learned in grade school? We didn't learn that in 4th grade. Can we look at what our 4th graders are learning now?

Yes - let’s look at that. You seem to imply that American schools have almost universally long since provided students with an accurate accounting on slavery, the Civil War, and it’s aftermath. This is decidedly not the case.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2019/08/28/teaching-slavery-schools/

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Anonymous wrote:You should get help OP. Your children are healthy ( hopefully). But, its so gross that you think that out of all the things that can make someone’s life difficult race is the end all. Get perspective - your not a woman in the middle east, someone fleeing from Russia/N.Korea, and your children aren’t born with chronic disabilities like ERB ( look it up).

Signed a black parent

Someone fleeing from North Korea will gain freedom if they are successful while a Black American born here will always have to deal with racism.

They also have a 90% chance of death. Black Americans are not trying to escape a murderous regime. Many are in fact getting welfare, part of the military, college professors, bus drivers, and doctors

I know the original PP is a black parent, but the comparison shouldn’t be to someone born in a different regime, but to another American child with a different skin tone.

Signed a brown parent of a white girl who I felt deep guilt about bringing into the world after the 2016 election.

Yes, I love when people toss out the “things could worse so shut up” line. In 1955, they could have said, you’re much better off than your ancestors, so why the complaints about voting right, segregation, etc.

I think the perspective is important. OP sounded depressed and her attitude is not one I’d want to pass on to my kids, but to each her own. I’m a white mother of brown daughters (not AA) and I raise them exactly like I would if they were white, with the addition of developing pride in their heritage.

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Anonymous wrote:You should get help OP. Your children are healthy ( hopefully). But, its so gross that you think that out of all the things that can make someone’s life difficult race is the end all. Get perspective - your not a woman in the middle east, someone fleeing from Russia/N.Korea, and your children aren’t born with chronic disabilities like ERB ( look it up).

Signed a black parent

Someone fleeing from North Korea will gain freedom if they are successful while a Black American born here will always have to deal with racism.

They also have a 90% chance of death. Black Americans are not trying to escape a murderous regime. Many are in fact getting welfare, part of the military, college professors, bus drivers, and doctors

I know the original PP is a black parent, but the comparison shouldn’t be to someone born in a different regime, but to another American child with a different skin tone.

Signed a brown parent of a white girl who I felt deep guilt about bringing into the world after the 2016 election.

Yes, I love when people toss out the “things could worse so shut up” line. In 1955, they could have said, you’re much better off than your ancestors, so why the complaints about voting right, segregation, etc.

I think the perspective is important. OP sounded depressed and her attitude is not one I’d want to pass on to my kids, but to each her own. I’m a white mother of brown daughters (not AA) and I raise them exactly like I would if they were white, with the addition of developing pride in their heritage.

I'm not sure it's fair to suggest that the OP is passing along any particular attitude to her kids, as all parents probably harbor fears, concerns, etc. that they don't share with their children. I'm the black father of a black son and I admit that there are (rare) moments when I've wondered whether we've done him any favors by bringing him into this world...I'm thinking singular episodes like the Trayvon Martin matter...really just realizing that there are people that will look at him, fear him, and then possibly act on that fear to anything from the merely annoying to tragic effect.

It's not a daily thing and I try not to burden him with it, but I can't afford to raise him in complete ignorance of the fact that his movements and behavior will likely be more scrutinized than that of his white (and frankly, non-black) peers. My parents gave me similar warnings. I used to resent the unfairness of it. And in a way, I resented them for even talking about. They were scared for me. I get that now.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not black, so I can’t pretend to know what you’re experiencing, but I do think I kind of understand the feeling that maybe we’re not doing our kids any favors by bringing them into a world where there’s genocide, murder, rape, torture, racism, famine, disease, pestilence, climate change. There are many horrific things in the world that I wish I could keep my kids from even knowing exist, but . . .

OMG. Tone deaf much? Do you even realize the point of OP creating this thread??

Your list does not even mention the white supremacy in Virginia and New Jersey demonstrated on Tuesday night, and the pervasive systemic racism her own child faces - particularly from genocidal racist police in the US. Your list just vaguely tosses in “racism” like it’s any other old problem day to day.

You really do not understand.

Oh, FFS. VA did not demonstrate white supremacy by electiing (barely) a Republican governor. I'm black, and voted for McAuliffe, and don't like Youngkin, but I think your hysteria is misplaced and absurd. VA's governors serve one term and they're out. Hopefully we'll replace him with a better choice next go 'round.

I agree that “white supremacy” isn’t the quite right descriptor, but I do think that (and I hate this term) “white fragility” was on display as manifested by many parents who can’t tolerate the schools mentioning even the slightest uncomfortable facts of American history. The whole CRT thing was a ruse. The real goal is the erasure of unsavory episodes our history lest children (or more likely parents) feel a bit upset. It’s actually a long running project of the right and was very much emphasized. These folks want “patriotic” education full stop, which means sweeping a ton under the rug. That was the object no doubt. Now - will they be successful? Probably not at the school-by-school level, but it will continue to be a potent electoral force, which the GOP will use to win elections and then use enhanced electoral power to make it harder for black folks to vote (and/or easier to toss their votes out), which I guess approaches white supremacy.

But it’s all good so long as little Connor doesn’t have to learn about redlining, I guess.

Dems need to be smarter tho’ and realize that white folks can only tolerate so much…

At what age is little Connor learning about redlining? Early elementary?

if the GOP has its way, little Connor will never learn about it

Yes, we don't want to reveal how systemic racism is hurting people today.

Hmmm... let us know where your community is redlining. I seem to recall that it violates federal law.

And yet several places have had to sue to stop gerrymandering, and gentrification that outpriced people already living in a place.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not black, so I can’t pretend to know what you’re experiencing, but I do think I kind of understand the feeling that maybe we’re not doing our kids any favors by bringing them into a world where there’s genocide, murder, rape, torture, racism, famine, disease, pestilence, climate change. There are many horrific things in the world that I wish I could keep my kids from even knowing exist, but . . .

OMG. Tone deaf much? Do you even realize the point of OP creating this thread??

Your list does not even mention the white supremacy in Virginia and New Jersey demonstrated on Tuesday night, and the pervasive systemic racism her own child faces - particularly from genocidal racist police in the US. Your list just vaguely tosses in “racism” like it’s any other old problem day to day.

You really do not understand.

Oh, FFS. VA did not demonstrate white supremacy by electiing (barely) a Republican governor. I'm black, and voted for McAuliffe, and don't like Youngkin, but I think your hysteria is misplaced and absurd. VA's governors serve one term and they're out. Hopefully we'll replace him with a better choice next go 'round.

I agree that “white supremacy” isn’t the quite right descriptor, but I do think that (and I hate this term) “white fragility” was on display as manifested by many parents who can’t tolerate the schools mentioning even the slightest uncomfortable facts of American history. The whole CRT thing was a ruse. The real goal is the erasure of unsavory episodes our history lest children (or more likely parents) feel a bit upset. It’s actually a long running project of the right and was very much emphasized. These folks want “patriotic” education full stop, which means sweeping a ton under the rug. That was the object no doubt. Now - will they be successful? Probably not at the school-by-school level, but it will continue to be a potent electoral force, which the GOP will use to win elections and then use enhanced electoral power to make it harder for black folks to vote (and/or easier to toss their votes out), which I guess approaches white supremacy.

But it’s all good so long as little Connor doesn’t have to learn about redlining, I guess.

Dems need to be smarter tho’ and realize that white folks can only tolerate so much…

At what age is little Connor learning about redlining? Early elementary?

if the GOP has its way, little Connor will never learn about it

Yes, we don't want to reveal how systemic racism is hurting people today.

Hmmm... let us know where your community is redlining. I seem to recall that it violates federal law.

And yet several places have had to sue to stop gerrymandering, and gentrification that outpriced people already living in a place.

Yes, many things happen notwithstanding the laws on the books. But of course the poster you replied to knows this all too well. I mean...

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not black, so I can’t pretend to know what you’re experiencing, but I do think I kind of understand the feeling that maybe we’re not doing our kids any favors by bringing them into a world where there’s genocide, murder, rape, torture, racism, famine, disease, pestilence, climate change. There are many horrific things in the world that I wish I could keep my kids from even knowing exist, but . . .

OMG. Tone deaf much? Do you even realize the point of OP creating this thread??

Your list does not even mention the white supremacy in Virginia and New Jersey demonstrated on Tuesday night, and the pervasive systemic racism her own child faces - particularly from genocidal racist police in the US. Your list just vaguely tosses in “racism” like it’s any other old problem day to day.

You really do not understand.

Oh, FFS. VA did not demonstrate white supremacy by electiing (barely) a Republican governor. I'm black, and voted for McAuliffe, and don't like Youngkin, but I think your hysteria is misplaced and absurd. VA's governors serve one term and they're out. Hopefully we'll replace him with a better choice next go 'round.

I agree that “white supremacy” isn’t the quite right descriptor, but I do think that (and I hate this term) “white fragility” was on display as manifested by many parents who can’t tolerate the schools mentioning even the slightest uncomfortable facts of American history. The whole CRT thing was a ruse. The real goal is the erasure of unsavory episodes our history lest children (or more likely parents) feel a bit upset. It’s actually a long running project of the right and was very much emphasized. These folks want “patriotic” education full stop, which means sweeping a ton under the rug. That was the object no doubt. Now - will they be successful? Probably not at the school-by-school level, but it will continue to be a potent electoral force, which the GOP will use to win elections and then use enhanced electoral power to make it harder for black folks to vote (and/or easier to toss their votes out), which I guess approaches white supremacy.

But it’s all good so long as little Connor doesn’t have to learn about redlining, I guess.

Dems need to be smarter tho’ and realize that white folks can only tolerate so much…

At what age is little Connor learning about redlining? Early elementary?

if the GOP has its way, little Connor will never learn about it

Yes, we don't want to reveal how systemic racism is hurting people today.

Hmmm... let us know where your community is redlining. I seem to recall that it violates federal law.

And you think that means it doesn’t still happen?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not black, so I can’t pretend to know what you’re experiencing, but I do think I kind of understand the feeling that maybe we’re not doing our kids any favors by bringing them into a world where there’s genocide, murder, rape, torture, racism, famine, disease, pestilence, climate change. There are many horrific things in the world that I wish I could keep my kids from even knowing exist, but . . .

OMG. Tone deaf much? Do you even realize the point of OP creating this thread??

Your list does not even mention the white supremacy in Virginia and New Jersey demonstrated on Tuesday night, and the pervasive systemic racism her own child faces - particularly from genocidal racist police in the US. Your list just vaguely tosses in “racism” like it’s any other old problem day to day.

You really do not understand.

Oh, FFS. VA did not demonstrate white supremacy by electiing (barely) a Republican governor. I'm black, and voted for McAuliffe, and don't like Youngkin, but I think your hysteria is misplaced and absurd. VA's governors serve one term and they're out. Hopefully we'll replace him with a better choice next go 'round.

I agree that “white supremacy” isn’t the quite right descriptor, but I do think that (and I hate this term) “white fragility” was on display as manifested by many parents who can’t tolerate the schools mentioning even the slightest uncomfortable facts of American history. The whole CRT thing was a ruse. The real goal is the erasure of unsavory episodes our history lest children (or more likely parents) feel a bit upset. It’s actually a long running project of the right and was very much emphasized. These folks want “patriotic” education full stop, which means sweeping a ton under the rug. That was the object no doubt. Now - will they be successful? Probably not at the school-by-school level, but it will continue to be a potent electoral force, which the GOP will use to win elections and then use enhanced electoral power to make it harder for black folks to vote (and/or easier to toss their votes out), which I guess approaches white supremacy.

But it’s all good so long as little Connor doesn’t have to learn about redlining, I guess.

Dems need to be smarter tho’ and realize that white folks can only tolerate so much…

At what age is little Connor learning about redlining? Early elementary?

if the GOP has its way, little Connor will never learn about it

Yes, we don't want to reveal how systemic racism is hurting people today.

Hmmm... let us know where your community is redlining. I seem to recall that it violates federal law.

And you think that means it doesn’t still happen?

Hey let’s not lose sight of the true victims. White Christian men. Preferably rich ones. They need even more handouts than they already get.

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Anonymous wrote:You should get help OP. Your children are healthy ( hopefully). But, its so gross that you think that out of all the things that can make someone’s life difficult race is the end all. Get perspective - your not a woman in the middle east, someone fleeing from Russia/N.Korea, and your children aren’t born with chronic disabilities like ERB ( look it up).

Signed a black parent

+1 I'm a Black parent of a smart healthy confident girl. She has tons of friends, teachers think highly of her. She is social, athletic and imaginative. She's brave, loves trying new things and thinks it's her god given right to travel. It's great being her parent.

The only time it sucks for me is the daily 45 minutes of cello practice.
Ever hear a mediocre 8 yo cello player?

45 minutes? Awesome! The sound should improve pretty rapidly if she has blood instruction.- music teacher
Thank you for being a great parent!

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You cannot generalize about what is being taught in American schools. Yes, real history is being taught in some places, but certainly not in places with right-wing school boards, which cover much of the country. And where so-called "real" history is being taught, it's of recent enough vintage that many of today's adults were not privy to those "real" history lessons. Hell, many of them were raised on the Lost Cause narrative of the Civil War and Reconstruction, which was the mainstream take in this country well into the late 20th century.

There is most certainly a project to make it more difficult for schools to teach the darker chapters, as exemplified by the moves to ban titles about civil rights heroes, etc. When the standard (as inscribed in legislation being pushed around the country) is we can't teach anything that makes any group feel bad, the real goal is a scrubbing of American history of anything but the heroic (even though the heroic and tragic are often inextricably linked).

No. This is part of a long-term project to establish Patriotic Education such as that seen in the PRC. The parents that got riled up by so-called CRT were useful pawns in that enterprise, as were the wokie dokes of the day (i.e., Kendi and co.) who played the role of convenient foils that even most black folks could care less about. Classic strategy of misdirection that the GOP used (and will continue to use) to scare up votes, win elections, and then continue their effort to make it more difficult for black folks to vote (and/or easier to toss their votes out). That is the real material, practical outcome of all this.

Oh jeez. Lost Cause? No kid is taught that in school. No adult learned that in school.

That's what you think you're fighting? Really?

Uhh...yes, many living-breathing adults today were, in fact, raised on the Lost Cause narrative. Period.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/slavery-history-virginia-textbook/2020/07/31/d8571eda-d1f0-11ea-8c55-61e7fa5e82ab_story.html

That writer was in 4th grade in 67. He's a Boomer. Do we really need to fight about what Boomers learned in grade school? We didn't learn that in 4th grade. Can we look at what our 4th graders are learning now?

Yes - let’s look at that. You seem to imply that American schools have almost universally long since provided students with an accurate accounting on slavery, the Civil War, and it’s aftermath. This is decidedly not the case.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2019/08/28/teaching-slavery-schools/

This WaPo article is a joke with an agenda. I have been teaching history for almost 20 years and have been reviewing textbooks, curriculum catalogs and lesson plans throughout that period. No one is hiding the truth about slavery. In fact, because many curricula focus on oppression narratives to the exclusion of other stories, and the resulting impression of U.S. history is overwhelmingly negative or leaves tremendous gaps in knowledge. Other lesson plans make assertions that are not based in data and sources but follow a certain narrative that becomes popular with teachers who lack content knowledge (See 1619 Project as one example). If you are concerned, please review the materials used in your own school district. You will definitely not find what you imagine.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not black, so I can’t pretend to know what you’re experiencing, but I do think I kind of understand the feeling that maybe we’re not doing our kids any favors by bringing them into a world where there’s genocide, murder, rape, torture, racism, famine, disease, pestilence, climate change. There are many horrific things in the world that I wish I could keep my kids from even knowing exist, but . . .

OMG. Tone deaf much? Do you even realize the point of OP creating this thread??

Your list does not even mention the white supremacy in Virginia and New Jersey demonstrated on Tuesday night, and the pervasive systemic racism her own child faces - particularly from genocidal racist police in the US. Your list just vaguely tosses in “racism” like it’s any other old problem day to day.

You really do not understand.

Oh, FFS. VA did not demonstrate white supremacy by electiing (barely) a Republican governor. I'm black, and voted for McAuliffe, and don't like Youngkin, but I think your hysteria is misplaced and absurd. VA's governors serve one term and they're out. Hopefully we'll replace him with a better choice next go 'round.

I agree that “white supremacy” isn’t the quite right descriptor, but I do think that (and I hate this term) “white fragility” was on display as manifested by many parents who can’t tolerate the schools mentioning even the slightest uncomfortable facts of American history. The whole CRT thing was a ruse. The real goal is the erasure of unsavory episodes our history lest children (or more likely parents) feel a bit upset. It’s actually a long running project of the right and was very much emphasized. These folks want “patriotic” education full stop, which means sweeping a ton under the rug. That was the object no doubt. Now - will they be successful? Probably not at the school-by-school level, but it will continue to be a potent electoral force, which the GOP will use to win elections and then use enhanced electoral power to make it harder for black folks to vote (and/or easier to toss their votes out), which I guess approaches white supremacy.

But it’s all good so long as little Connor doesn’t have to learn about redlining, I guess.

Dems need to be smarter tho’ and realize that white folks can only tolerate so much…

At what age is little Connor learning about redlining? Early elementary?

if the GOP has its way, little Connor will never learn about it

Yes, we don't want to reveal how systemic racism is hurting people today.

Hmmm... let us know where your community is redlining. I seem to recall that it violates federal law.

And yet several places have had to sue to stop gerrymandering, and gentrification that outpriced people already living in a place.

Gentrification is not illegal, and you can't freeze communities in time. Often, Black heavy neighborhoods are places that housed some other wave of immigrants before them. Poor people get displaced by richer people if they live somewhere desirable; that has nothing to do with race.

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You cannot generalize about what is being taught in American schools. Yes, real history is being taught in some places, but certainly not in places with right-wing school boards, which cover much of the country. And where so-called "real" history is being taught, it's of recent enough vintage that many of today's adults were not privy to those "real" history lessons. Hell, many of them were raised on the Lost Cause narrative of the Civil War and Reconstruction, which was the mainstream take in this country well into the late 20th century.

There is most certainly a project to make it more difficult for schools to teach the darker chapters, as exemplified by the moves to ban titles about civil rights heroes, etc. When the standard (as inscribed in legislation being pushed around the country) is we can't teach anything that makes any group feel bad, the real goal is a scrubbing of American history of anything but the heroic (even though the heroic and tragic are often inextricably linked).

No. This is part of a long-term project to establish Patriotic Education such as that seen in the PRC. The parents that got riled up by so-called CRT were useful pawns in that enterprise, as were the wokie dokes of the day (i.e., Kendi and co.) who played the role of convenient foils that even most black folks could care less about. Classic strategy of misdirection that the GOP used (and will continue to use) to scare up votes, win elections, and then continue their effort to make it more difficult for black folks to vote (and/or easier to toss their votes out). That is the real material, practical outcome of all this.

Oh jeez. Lost Cause? No kid is taught that in school. No adult learned that in school.

That's what you think you're fighting? Really?

Uhh...yes, many living-breathing adults today were, in fact, raised on the Lost Cause narrative. Period.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/slavery-history-virginia-textbook/2020/07/31/d8571eda-d1f0-11ea-8c55-61e7fa5e82ab_story.html

That writer was in 4th grade in 67. He's a Boomer. Do we really need to fight about what Boomers learned in grade school? We didn't learn that in 4th grade. Can we look at what our 4th graders are learning now?

Yes - let’s look at that. You seem to imply that American schools have almost universally long since provided students with an accurate accounting on slavery, the Civil War, and it’s aftermath. This is decidedly not the case.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2019/08/28/teaching-slavery-schools/

This WaPo article is a joke with an agenda. I have been teaching history for almost 20 years and have been reviewing textbooks, curriculum catalogs and lesson plans throughout that period. No one is hiding the truth about slavery. In fact, because many curricula focus on oppression narratives to the exclusion of other stories, and the resulting impression of U.S. history is overwhelmingly negative or leaves tremendous gaps in knowledge. Other lesson plans make assertions that are not based in data and sources but follow a certain narrative that becomes popular with teachers who lack content knowledge (See 1619 Project as one example). If you are concerned, please review the materials used in your own school district. You will definitely not find what you imagine.

Agree 100%.

The WaPo has become a pathetic joke. It can no longer be considered journalism in any sense of the word.

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Any broad-based efforts at pursuing racial equality (at least openly) are doomed to fail and should not even be attempted because the inevitable backlash will come — even it clothed in the defensive veneer of, e.g., protecting the children from the excesses of so-called CRT — and leave us worse of then where we started. Yes, do things that will combat inequality, but never put that message front and center!!