^ my spouse is from blue collar town in Ohio that has so much unemployment.
Manual labor has an age limit. There is physical work that can’t be done as you age. Add in a physical injury and you are done. |
Being well-educated is an inherent good in my view. I want to be with someone who is interested in and has a good and reasonably deep understanding of history, literature, other cultures, philosophical concepts, etc. I can make my own money. I want someone cultured and with whom I can have interesting conversations, someone with a background similar to my own. Fortunately I have that in my DH. |
We joined because it was open and functioning during Covid so our kids could get lessons. Yes we can afford it because of our income and saving 20 years. Are we social climbers? Sometimes my spouse talks shop at these places and they have venues for holiday dinners and bday parties. Better than a $150/ gym membership imo. |
Female STEM grad degree here. In the sciences, grad degrees are usually paid for. I got a full stipend that paid for my degree while I worked in lab and taught an undergrad bio 101 lab. The type of degree matters too. A PhD an Art History would have been lots of debt for me with no return. |
This is why my friend has been married to a SAHD for 12 years. When their second child was an infant, he was injured at work. He got $50k in a settlement, but that is nothing over a dozen years. Luckily, she has a college degree and a government job. |
But a plumber earns 100k a year on average without the stress time and gray hairs if takes to earn a college degree. A good real estate agent is the same. |
“Well educated” = I can take him to work events and he can have intelligent conversations with my colleagues and clients. He will fit in at the school, pool, club, neighborhood I aspire to be part of, he will value education and want the same things for our kids so that we can pass on our privilege and generational wealth, ideally he has decent earning potential and a chosen career path. I know some well educated men in their late 30s who still ride a skateboard to their barista job so that they can focus on their art or their band in the evenings. I know some well educated men who have massive debt and work in the arts or at non-profits because that’s their passion. I don’t think that’s who women are referring to when they say well educated. |
That is different. If you come from similar backgrounds, and are somewhat equally matched, both educated to a similar extent, similar upbringing, that tends to work better than the (usually) woman who thinks she "deserves" to have a rich man. If you live in certain areas, you tend to see it more often. Gold diggers are found in all sorts of places. If (far from HYPSM type shallow person) claims to find a HYPSM person "intriguing/interesting/whatever", showing inappropriate interest....especially if it is someone else's spouse...... it is obvious. If someone doesn't know how to hold a conversation with a HYPSM person, other than to ask them questions about what they do - OMG, monotonous! The HYPSM person doesn't say "why don't we hang out with (shallow person) more often?" Because boring. The HYPSM person does not want to spend their limited time around people who are not on the same level, generally. Casual acquaintances is one thing, but marriage? No. |
I know "highly educated" men who stay at home, too. It's not one way. Would the wives have known it when they married? Not in a million years. |
What is an "intelligent conversation " to you? Do you believe someone who didn't go to college would talk about video games football and things? |
Key phrase. The relationship is not one way and boring. |
I think less educated people tend to ask educated people about brain - picking type things, and the more educated people get exhausted by it. |
It’s weird that people are digging into what well-educated means, as though when people are talking about their ideal partners that’s the only thing on their list.
My ideal partner woukd be well educated (although I would probably just say “educated,”), but also financially literate, able to carry on a good conversation, curious about the world, intelligent, kind, down-to earth, etc. Well-educated is separate from these things even though there is going to be some overlap. |
Yup you don’t get it, and that’s ok, we are not all looking for the same things and the same qualities in a life partner. Well educated requirement for me is not a status thing, has no link to income. I want a partner who has a rich intellectual life, who reads, who is curious and knowledgeable, yes it matters if he studied philosophy and history, if he has a good education and culture to begin with, so we can spend our life together discussing ideas and topics that matter to us and continue learning together. There are a lot of people out there who don’t have a fancy degree and are well educated, for some reasons/circumstances they couldn’t go to college even but they are self taught, they read a lot, accumulated knowledge on their own. That could fulfill my well educated requirement. On the other hand the rich smart self made man who enjoys spending his free time watching sports on TV is not for me. (And before I get any criticism on my writing : I am French and my English is not perfect) |
DP. I want someone who understands my literary and historical allusions and has a cosmopolitan viewpoint that goes beyond their own experience and provides context to their views of current events. I know plenty of intelligent and well-educated men who also talk about sports and video games (though not to me generally). It's not about refusing someone who talks about X, Y, and Z; it's about wanting someone who can also talk about other things that are generally only taught through a formal education. I'm well-educated and spent time this week talking about Britney Spears. But I also spent time talking about different economic theories and how they have historically been interpreted through the political process and how Camus' The Plague anticipated some of the social response we've seen during COVID. |