To you, what's the bottom of the "elite" colleges?

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But UMBC is #1 public SLAC.

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Anonymous wrote:Berkeley, Michigan, and UCLA are the only three elite publics.

And UVA and UNC…

Or, none of the above. . .

Michigan is top 5 or 10 in just about every Major it offers. That is elite.

Michigan is elite at sucking tuition out of undergraduates and using it to pay for research that doesn't benefit those undergraduates.

If only UVA could dream of being a research powerhouse.

Which is why UVA attracts so many undergraduates nationwide. It’s smaller and more attention is paid to the undergrads.

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Not. Michigan has way more undergraduates from OOS and internationally with about the same admit rate and academic scores as UVA. The difference is that Michigan has virtually no academic weakness. UVA is not in its league for STEM and many other disciplines as well. You do realize that universities like Columbia have way more graduate than undergraduate students right? Nobody ever says Columbia is more graduate focused, even though it most definitely is. Face it, Michigan is a top 25 university worldwide, UVA is not even in the top 100. Eliteness goes beyond the state borders of Virginia.

UMich is still in the Midwest so it will always be inferior to east and west coast schools. Stay pressed. Also the average starting salaries are almost identical, so these “top programs” at UMich mean complete shit LOL

Hahaha UVA is not an east coast school. It’s a rural southern school. You are so delusional and lack so much self awareness, laughably so.

WELL, that extremely well-respected “rural, southern school” of 30,000 sent my neighbor’s daughter and twenty others to Oxford this year. Also two Rhodes, aMarshall and many Fulbrights and other scholarship winners. Michigan doesn’t do that m, notwithstanding it’s size.

Nobody outside Virginia knows UVA. Sorry.

Nobody outside Michigan knows UMich. Not sorry.

Neither one is elite.

Not a Michigan grad, but Michigan is much, much closer to being elite than UVA is, by a superlative margin.

Not a UVA grad, but UVA is much, much closer to being elite than Umich is, by an astronomical margin.

Not a UVA or Michigan grad, but there is no question which one of these schools is more elite.

Both are public elites (Berkeley, UCLA, Michigan, UVA)

None of those are elite at undergraduate level in my view.

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Anonymous wrote:Berkeley, Michigan, and UCLA are the only three elite publics.

And UVA and UNC…

Or, none of the above. . .

Michigan is top 5 or 10 in just about every Major it offers. That is elite.

Michigan is elite at sucking tuition out of undergraduates and using it to pay for research that doesn't benefit those undergraduates.

If only UVA could dream of being a research powerhouse.

Which is why UVA attracts so many undergraduates nationwide. It’s smaller and more attention is paid to the undergrads.

This.

Not. Michigan has way more undergraduates from OOS and internationally with about the same admit rate and academic scores as UVA. The difference is that Michigan has virtually no academic weakness. UVA is not in its league for STEM and many other disciplines as well. You do realize that universities like Columbia have way more graduate than undergraduate students right? Nobody ever says Columbia is more graduate focused, even though it most definitely is. Face it, Michigan is a top 25 university worldwide, UVA is not even in the top 100. Eliteness goes beyond the state borders of Virginia.

UMich is still in the Midwest so it will always be inferior to east and west coast schools. Stay pressed. Also the average starting salaries are almost identical, so these “top programs” at UMich mean complete shit LOL

Hahaha UVA is not an east coast school. It’s a rural southern school. You are so delusional and lack so much self awareness, laughably so.

WELL, that extremely well-respected “rural, southern school” of 30,000 sent my neighbor’s daughter and twenty others to Oxford this year. Also two Rhodes, aMarshall and many Fulbrights and other scholarship winners. Michigan doesn’t do that m, notwithstanding it’s size.

Nobody outside Virginia knows UVA. Sorry.

Nobody outside Michigan knows UMich. Not sorry.

Neither one is elite.

Not a Michigan grad, but Michigan is much, much closer to being elite than UVA is, by a superlative margin.

Not a UVA grad, but UVA is much, much closer to being elite than Umich is, by an astronomical margin.

Not a UVA or Michigan grad, but there is no question which one of these schools is more elite.

public elites (Berkeley, UCLA, Michigan)

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Anonymous wrote:Berkeley, Michigan, and UCLA are the only three elite publics.

And UVA and UNC…

Or, none of the above. . .

Michigan is top 5 or 10 in just about every Major it offers. That is elite.

Michigan is elite at sucking tuition out of undergraduates and using it to pay for research that doesn't benefit those undergraduates.

If only UVA could dream of being a research powerhouse.

Which is why UVA attracts so many undergraduates nationwide. It’s smaller and more attention is paid to the undergrads.

This.

Not. Michigan has way more undergraduates from OOS and internationally with about the same admit rate and academic scores as UVA. The difference is that Michigan has virtually no academic weakness. UVA is not in its league for STEM and many other disciplines as well. You do realize that universities like Columbia have way more graduate than undergraduate students right? Nobody ever says Columbia is more graduate focused, even though it most definitely is. Face it, Michigan is a top 25 university worldwide, UVA is not even in the top 100. Eliteness goes beyond the state borders of Virginia.

UMich is still in the Midwest so it will always be inferior to east and west coast schools. Stay pressed. Also the average starting salaries are almost identical, so these “top programs” at UMich mean complete shit LOL

Hahaha UVA is not an east coast school. It’s a rural southern school. You are so delusional and lack so much self awareness, laughably so.

WELL, that extremely well-respected “rural, southern school” of 30,000 sent my neighbor’s daughter and twenty others to Oxford this year. Also two Rhodes, aMarshall and many Fulbrights and other scholarship winners. Michigan doesn’t do that m, notwithstanding it’s size.

Nobody outside Virginia knows UVA. Sorry.

Nobody outside Michigan knows UMich. Not sorry.

Neither one is elite.

Not a Michigan grad, but Michigan is much, much closer to being elite than UVA is, by a superlative margin.

Not a UVA grad, but UVA is much, much closer to being elite than Umich is, by an astronomical margin.

Not a UVA or Michigan grad, but there is no question which one of these schools is more elite.

public elites (Berkeley, UCLA, Michigan)

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Public elites (UVA)

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Anonymous wrote:Berkeley, Michigan, and UCLA are the only three elite publics.

And UVA and UNC…

Or, none of the above. . .

Michigan is top 5 or 10 in just about every Major it offers. That is elite.

Michigan is elite at sucking tuition out of undergraduates and using it to pay for research that doesn't benefit those undergraduates.

If only UVA could dream of being a research powerhouse.

Which is why UVA attracts so many undergraduates nationwide. It’s smaller and more attention is paid to the undergrads.

This.

Not. Michigan has way more undergraduates from OOS and internationally with about the same admit rate and academic scores as UVA. The difference is that Michigan has virtually no academic weakness. UVA is not in its league for STEM and many other disciplines as well. You do realize that universities like Columbia have way more graduate than undergraduate students right? Nobody ever says Columbia is more graduate focused, even though it most definitely is. Face it, Michigan is a top 25 university worldwide, UVA is not even in the top 100. Eliteness goes beyond the state borders of Virginia.

UMich is still in the Midwest so it will always be inferior to east and west coast schools. Stay pressed. Also the average starting salaries are almost identical, so these “top programs” at UMich mean complete shit LOL

Hahaha UVA is not an east coast school. It’s a rural southern school. You are so delusional and lack so much self awareness, laughably so.

WELL, that extremely well-respected “rural, southern school” of 30,000 sent my neighbor’s daughter and twenty others to Oxford this year. Also two Rhodes, aMarshall and many Fulbrights and other scholarship winners. Michigan doesn’t do that m, notwithstanding it’s size.

Nobody outside Virginia knows UVA. Sorry.

Nobody outside Michigan knows UMich. Not sorry.

Neither one is elite.

Not a Michigan grad, but Michigan is much, much closer to being elite than UVA is, by a superlative margin.

Not a UVA grad, but UVA is much, much closer to being elite than Umich is, by an astronomical margin.

Not a UVA or Michigan grad, but there is no question which one of these schools is more elite.

public elites (Berkeley, UCLA, Michigan)

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Public elites (UVA)

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Ok, I’ll weigh in. My DD goes to one of the places mentioned as a public elite (not UVA, one of the other ones). She in no way equates that with going to HPYS, nor do we. We are proud of her and will get a fabulous education. But it is what it is: an excellent public institution. It is not a private school with single digit (or near single digit) acceptable rates.

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Anonymous wrote:Ok, I’ll weigh in. My DD goes to one of the places mentioned as a public elite (not UVA, one of the other ones). She in no way equates that with going to HPYS, nor do we. We are proud of her and will get a fabulous education. But it is what it is: an excellent public institution. It is not a private school with single digit (or near single digit) acceptable rates.

If there are public elites comparable to HYP, my kid goes to a Public SLAC. Not Dundalk Community College but the other one, the T5 elite level public SLAC in Baltimore County. I am not gonna lie - it’s not Williams, Amherst, or Oberlin. But we are proud of this school for taking in all the students unwanted by HYP, Williams, Amherst, and Oberlin. It is what it is. It was never meant to compete with those. It’s an excellent public SLAC that gives a second chance, a great education - and for many, a great vocation.

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Anonymous wrote:Ok, I’ll weigh in. My DD goes to one of the places mentioned as a public elite (not UVA, one of the other ones). She in no way equates that with going to HPYS, nor do we. We are proud of her and will get a fabulous education. But it is what it is: an excellent public institution. It is not a private school with single digit (or near single digit) acceptable rates.

Who stated that any public university is equal to HYPSM? Excellent public universities, the very few that exist, provide educations equal to most other excellent private universities.

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But UMBC is #1 public SLAC.

Elite of the Elites:
Harvard
Yale
Princeton
Stanford
MIT

Elites:
Columbia
UPenn
Caltech
Chicago
Duke
Northwestern
Dartmouth
Brown
Cornell
Hopkins
Berkeley
Amherst
Williams

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But UMBC is #1 public SLAC.

Elite of the Elites:
Harvard
Yale
Princeton
Stanford
MIT

Elites:
Columbia
UPenn
Caltech
Chicago
Duke
Northwestern
Dartmouth
Brown
Cornell
Hopkins
Berkeley
Amherst
Williams

No shame in being rejected by all of the above. Stanford doesn’t impress me. I am heartened by all the “mediocre” schools out there ready to take on those unfit for the “elites” of the nation.

“Give me your tired, your poor... ... the wretched refuse... Send these, the homeless... to me... This country’s greatness and true genius lies in its diversity.”

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But UMBC is #1 public SLAC.

Elite of the Elites:
Harvard
Yale
Princeton
Stanford
MIT

Elites:
Columbia
UPenn
Caltech
Chicago
Duke
Northwestern
Dartmouth
Brown
Cornell
Hopkins
Berkeley
Amherst
Williams

No shame in being rejected by all of the above. Stanford doesn’t impress me. I am heartened by all the “mediocre” schools out there ready to take on those unfit for the “elites” of the nation.

“Give me your tired, your poor... ... the wretched refuse... Send these, the homeless... to me... This country’s greatness and true genius lies in its diversity.”

You present yourself and trying to lure others to act as victims of institutions that happen to represent the pinnacle of excellence. Your victim mindset fosters resentment and a cycle of despair. Please note that not everyone gets the first place trophy of entrance into an elite institution. Nor does entry into an elite institution guaranty happiness in life [Please do not use "unfit" to describe those that were unable to attend elite institutions as it bolsters this victimhood mindset.]

Please note that there are at least 150 good schools in the USA so 2nd place, 3rd place ect persons are still winners and able to achieve their dreams. In fact, there are many examples of folks with zero college that have achieved greatly.

Lastly, this is a list of Elite institutions NOT elitists. Of course, there will be some elitists attending elite institutions as well as "mediocre" ones. The admissions process is supposed to be a meritocracy but there are many examples of powerful persons gaining access to elite institutions that otherwise are not qualified. Many of those are relatives of high level officials in the government (e.g. president, VP, senator, governor, ect).

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Elite of the Elites:
Harvard
Yale
Princeton
Stanford
MIT

Elites:
Columbia
UPenn
Caltech
Chicago
Duke
Northwestern
Dartmouth
Brown
Cornell
Hopkins
Berkeley
Amherst
Williams

Did you go to Berkeley LOL why did you sneak that in LOL

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Where's USC?
also UVA McIntire is elite, but not other schools/colleges.

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Anonymous wrote:Where's USC?
also UVA McIntire is elite, but not other schools/colleges.

Neither are elite.

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Anonymous wrote:Where's USC?
also UVA McIntire is elite, but not other schools/colleges.

Neither are elite.

1.Harvard, Stanford
3.MIT, Princeton
5.Columbia, Yale
7. U Chicago, Caltech, Upenn
10. Duke, Northwestern, Brown, Dartmouth, John's Hopkins
15. Cornell, Vanderbilt, Williams, Amherst
19. Emory, WashU, Rice, Notre Dame, Georgetown, CMU
25. UCLA, UCB, Michigan, Pomona
28. Gatech, UVA, Tufts, Bowdoin, Wellesley


Forgot to quote this list someone came up.

USC belongs to the list of 25. CMU needs to step down to 25.