Idaho Murder Suspect Bryan Kohberger - arrest warrant affadavit

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised how quickly he attacked and killed these 4 people with a knife, based on the timeline in the affidavit. We know that the Door Dash order came at 4:00 a.m. Presumably all was well (or at least very quiet) before then, or Xana, who received the Door Dash order and was on Tik Tok at 4:12 a.m., would have heard something? From the affidavit:

"A review of footage from multiple videos obtained from the King Road Neighborhood showed multiple sightings of Suspect Vehicle I starting at 3:29 a.m. and ending at 4:20 a.m. These sightings show Suspect Vehicle I makes an initial three passes by the 1122 King Road residence and then leave via Walenta Drive. Based off of my experience as a Patrol Officer this is a residential neighborhood with a very limited number of vehicles that travel in the area during the early morning hours. Upon review of the video there are only a few cars that enter and exit this area during this time frame."

"Suspect Vehicle 1 can be seen entering the area a fourth time at approximately 4:04 a.m. It can be seen driving eastbound on King Road, stopping and turning around in front of 500 Queen Road #52 and then driving back westbound on King Road. When Suspect Vehicle I is in front of the King Road Residence, it appeared to unsuccessfully attempt to park or tum around in the road. The vehicle then continued to the intersection of Queen Road and King Road where it can be seen completing a three-point tum and then driving eastbound again down Queen Road.

Suspect Vehicle I is next seen departing the area of the King Road Residence at approximately 4:20 a.m. at a high rate of speed. . . . ."

We're talking about stab wounds with at least one of these people being awake, not quick gunshots. The timeline doesn't seem to completely add up, but I'm assuming they are fine tuning it.

And returning to the scene later the same day, this time with cell phone on--

"Further review indicated that the 8458 Phone utilized cellular resources on November 13, 2022 that are consistent with the 8458 Phone leaving the area of the Kohberger Residence at approximately 9:00 a.m. and traveling to Moscow, ID. Specifically, the 8458 Phone utilized cellular resources that would provide coverage to the King Road Residence between 9: 12 a.m. and 9:21 am. The 8458 Phone next utilized cellular resources that are consistent with the 8458 Phone traveling back to the area of the Kohberger Residence and arriving to the area at approximately 9:32 a.m."

Perhaps he has murdered before, or was so enraged at what he perceived as the girls' having rebuffed him, that he took it out on all of them in a rage (which does not excuse his crimes, of course).

[Anonymous]

Did he leave and return during the 3:00-4:00 a.m. timeframe?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Did he leave and return during the 3:00-4:00 a.m. timeframe?

I wonder if he came on foot first (vehicle not picked up by cameras in the area) and killed the two on the 3rd floor and then returned in his vehicle for the two on the 2nd floor. This would mean that the Door Dash driver came in the interim at 4:00 a.m., and Xana heard nothing alarming from the 3rd floor. BK had his cell phone off or on airplane mode during the time, so no tracking.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:55 pages and I'd be curious to know how many of these posts are placing the blame squarely where it belongs (with the suspect) and how many are faulting the residents of the house.

Why do people keep saying this is victim blaming? They are NOT to blame. Having conversations about ways to reduce your risks of bad things happening is not blaming. It does not mean you deserve what happens.

I don't walk through dark alleys alone at night. Is it my fault if I'm robbed or killed? Of course not! But there are steps I can take to reduce the risk of a bad outcome so that hopefully I don't become a victim.

If he was stalking at least one of these girls chances are no matter what they did it wouldn't matter. BUT as a general principle I still lock my door when I leave my house. I don't deserve to be robbed and am not to blame if some breaks in, but I can reduce that risk.

Having conversations about ways to reduce your risks IN THIS THREAD implies that the people in the home could have done something (locked doors, called the police immediately, lived on campus, not partied, not had public Insta accounts, installed security if they were aware they had a stalker) to prevent this from happening.

That's why.

Insta literally causes many teen suicides, especially among girls.

It’s also a major platform for cyber-bullying.

I hope no one here uses that wretched form of social. Letting kids use it is negligent.

Only negligent, out-of-touch parents would allow their teens to have Insta.

Worse still are the awful parents who allow TikTok.

20-21 year old students with jobs who live in a rental house far away from their parents are not “teens.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did he leave and return during the 3:00-4:00 a.m. timeframe?

I wonder if he came on foot first (vehicle not picked up by cameras in the area) and killed the two on the 3rd floor and then returned in his vehicle for the two on the 2nd floor. This would mean that the Door Dash driver came in the interim at 4:00 a.m., and Xana heard nothing alarming from the 3rd floor. BK had his cell phone off or on airplane mode during the time, so no tracking.

Meaning parked somewhere where car not picked up by cameras prior to killing the first two and walked to the house. Then drove by in his car and entered to kill the second two, perhaps noticing the Door Dash delivery?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised how quickly he attacked and killed these 4 people with a knife, based on the timeline in the affidavit. We know that the Door Dash order came at 4:00 a.m. Presumably all was well (or at least very quiet) before then, or Xana, who received the Door Dash order and was on Tik Tok at 4:12 a.m., would have heard something? From the affidavit:

"A review of footage from multiple videos obtained from the King Road Neighborhood showed multiple sightings of Suspect Vehicle I starting at 3:29 a.m. and ending at 4:20 a.m. These sightings show Suspect Vehicle I makes an initial three passes by the 1122 King Road residence and then leave via Walenta Drive. Based off of my experience as a Patrol Officer this is a residential neighborhood with a very limited number of vehicles that travel in the area during the early morning hours. Upon review of the video there are only a few cars that enter and exit this area during this time frame."

"Suspect Vehicle 1 can be seen entering the area a fourth time at approximately 4:04 a.m. It can be seen driving eastbound on King Road, stopping and turning around in front of 500 Queen Road #52 and then driving back westbound on King Road. When Suspect Vehicle I is in front of the King Road Residence, it appeared to unsuccessfully attempt to park or tum around in the road. The vehicle then continued to the intersection of Queen Road and King Road where it can be seen completing a three-point tum and then driving eastbound again down Queen Road.

Suspect Vehicle I is next seen departing the area of the King Road Residence at approximately 4:20 a.m. at a high rate of speed. . . . ."

We're talking about stab wounds with at least one of these people being awake, not quick gunshots. The timeline doesn't seem to completely add up, but I'm assuming they are fine tuning it.

And returning to the scene later the same day, this time with cell phone on--

"Further review indicated that the 8458 Phone utilized cellular resources on November 13, 2022 that are consistent with the 8458 Phone leaving the area of the Kohberger Residence at approximately 9:00 a.m. and traveling to Moscow, ID. Specifically, the 8458 Phone utilized cellular resources that would provide coverage to the King Road Residence between 9: 12 a.m. and 9:21 am. The 8458 Phone next utilized cellular resources that are consistent with the 8458 Phone traveling back to the area of the Kohberger Residence and arriving to the area at approximately 9:32 a.m."

Perhaps he has murdered before, or was so enraged at what he perceived as the girls' having rebuffed him, that he took it out on all of them in a rage (which does not excuse his crimes, of course).

I think this is the take most of the prosecutors are following.

[Anonymous]

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He really resembles ted buddy both studied criminology at UW

The resemblance is terrifying!!

But Kohberger was not enrolled in UW.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:55 pages and I'd be curious to know how many of these posts are placing the blame squarely where it belongs (with the suspect) and how many are faulting the residents of the house.

Why do people keep saying this is victim blaming? They are NOT to blame. Having conversations about ways to reduce your risks of bad things happening is not blaming. It does not mean you deserve what happens.

I don't walk through dark alleys alone at night. Is it my fault if I'm robbed or killed? Of course not! But there are steps I can take to reduce the risk of a bad outcome so that hopefully I don't become a victim.

If he was stalking at least one of these girls chances are no matter what they did it wouldn't matter. BUT as a general principle I still lock my door when I leave my house. I don't deserve to be robbed and am not to blame if some breaks in, but I can reduce that risk.

Having conversations about ways to reduce your risks IN THIS THREAD implies that the people in the home could have done something (locked doors, called the police immediately, lived on campus, not partied, not had public Insta accounts, installed security if they were aware they had a stalker) to prevent this from happening.

That's why.

You aren't good at nuance. Victim blaming is literally saying "it's their fault they were murdered." Nobody has said that here. Nobody.

The nuance you're missing is this: in discussions about this crime, people are asking why they wouldn't have locked their doors, why the survivor didn't call the police, etc. Posters are discussing the household dynamics as a way of answering those questions. These discussions are a way to make sense of things.

These discussions will most likely get young people to start locking their doors. Maybe it will get roommates to communicate with each other about houseguests.

YOU don’t understand nuance.

Victim blaming is framing a post-crime discussion about what the VICTIM could have done differently to prevent themselves from having been victimized.

The whole premise is off. The perpetrator’s behavior should be the focus. Otherwise, you are IN ESSENCE (here is where the nuance comes in) talking about how the VICTIMS dropped the ball. And if only they had not, they would fine today.

Not appropriate.

(Nor should females have to plan their lives around steering clear of incels/stalkers/
rapists and other varieties of male predators.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not that the murderer’s religion has any bearing on anything.

This!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised how quickly he attacked and killed these 4 people with a knife, based on the timeline in the affidavit. We know that the Door Dash order came at 4:00 a.m. Presumably all was well (or at least very quiet) before then, or Xana, who received the Door Dash order and was on Tik Tok at 4:12 a.m., would have heard something? From the affidavit:

"A review of footage from multiple videos obtained from the King Road Neighborhood showed multiple sightings of Suspect Vehicle I starting at 3:29 a.m. and ending at 4:20 a.m. These sightings show Suspect Vehicle I makes an initial three passes by the 1122 King Road residence and then leave via Walenta Drive. Based off of my experience as a Patrol Officer this is a residential neighborhood with a very limited number of vehicles that travel in the area during the early morning hours. Upon review of the video there are only a few cars that enter and exit this area during this time frame."

"Suspect Vehicle 1 can be seen entering the area a fourth time at approximately 4:04 a.m. It can be seen driving eastbound on King Road, stopping and turning around in front of 500 Queen Road #52 and then driving back westbound on King Road. When Suspect Vehicle I is in front of the King Road Residence, it appeared to unsuccessfully attempt to park or tum around in the road. The vehicle then continued to the intersection of Queen Road and King Road where it can be seen completing a three-point tum and then driving eastbound again down Queen Road.

Suspect Vehicle I is next seen departing the area of the King Road Residence at approximately 4:20 a.m. at a high rate of speed. . . . ."

We're talking about stab wounds with at least one of these people being awake, not quick gunshots. The timeline doesn't seem to completely add up, but I'm assuming they are fine tuning it.

And returning to the scene later the same day, this time with cell phone on--

"Further review indicated that the 8458 Phone utilized cellular resources on November 13, 2022 that are consistent with the 8458 Phone leaving the area of the Kohberger Residence at approximately 9:00 a.m. and traveling to Moscow, ID. Specifically, the 8458 Phone utilized cellular resources that would provide coverage to the King Road Residence between 9: 12 a.m. and 9:21 am. The 8458 Phone next utilized cellular resources that are consistent with the 8458 Phone traveling back to the area of the Kohberger Residence and arriving to the area at approximately 9:32 a.m."

Perhaps he has murdered before, or was so enraged at what he perceived as the girls' having rebuffed him, that he took it out on all of them in a rage (which does not excuse his crimes, of course).

I think this is the take most of the prosecutors are following.

Stalkers are no joke. The prosecutors will look at the murderers past. Even if the murderers past is not admitted in front of the jury - his past WILL be discovered by several people, and it will NOT be good.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised how quickly he attacked and killed these 4 people with a knife, based on the timeline in the affidavit. We know that the Door Dash order came at 4:00 a.m. Presumably all was well (or at least very quiet) before then, or Xana, who received the Door Dash order and was on Tik Tok at 4:12 a.m., would have heard something? From the affidavit:

"A review of footage from multiple videos obtained from the King Road Neighborhood showed multiple sightings of Suspect Vehicle I starting at 3:29 a.m. and ending at 4:20 a.m. These sightings show Suspect Vehicle I makes an initial three passes by the 1122 King Road residence and then leave via Walenta Drive. Based off of my experience as a Patrol Officer this is a residential neighborhood with a very limited number of vehicles that travel in the area during the early morning hours. Upon review of the video there are only a few cars that enter and exit this area during this time frame."

"Suspect Vehicle 1 can be seen entering the area a fourth time at approximately 4:04 a.m. It can be seen driving eastbound on King Road, stopping and turning around in front of 500 Queen Road #52 and then driving back westbound on King Road. When Suspect Vehicle I is in front of the King Road Residence, it appeared to unsuccessfully attempt to park or tum around in the road. The vehicle then continued to the intersection of Queen Road and King Road where it can be seen completing a three-point tum and then driving eastbound again down Queen Road.

Suspect Vehicle I is next seen departing the area of the King Road Residence at approximately 4:20 a.m. at a high rate of speed. . . . ."

We're talking about stab wounds with at least one of these people being awake, not quick gunshots. The timeline doesn't seem to completely add up, but I'm assuming they are fine tuning it.

And returning to the scene later the same day, this time with cell phone on--

"Further review indicated that the 8458 Phone utilized cellular resources on November 13, 2022 that are consistent with the 8458 Phone leaving the area of the Kohberger Residence at approximately 9:00 a.m. and traveling to Moscow, ID. Specifically, the 8458 Phone utilized cellular resources that would provide coverage to the King Road Residence between 9: 12 a.m. and 9:21 am. The 8458 Phone next utilized cellular resources that are consistent with the 8458 Phone traveling back to the area of the Kohberger Residence and arriving to the area at approximately 9:32 a.m."

Are you suggesting he did not do it?

Or maybe he had an accomplice ?

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:55 pages and I'd be curious to know how many of these posts are placing the blame squarely where it belongs (with the suspect) and how many are faulting the residents of the house.

Why do people keep saying this is victim blaming? They are NOT to blame. Having conversations about ways to reduce your risks of bad things happening is not blaming. It does not mean you deserve what happens.

I don't walk through dark alleys alone at night. Is it my fault if I'm robbed or killed? Of course not! But there are steps I can take to reduce the risk of a bad outcome so that hopefully I don't become a victim.

If he was stalking at least one of these girls chances are no matter what they did it wouldn't matter. BUT as a general principle I still lock my door when I leave my house. I don't deserve to be robbed and am not to blame if some breaks in, but I can reduce that risk.

Having conversations about ways to reduce your risks IN THIS THREAD implies that the people in the home could have done something (locked doors, called the police immediately, lived on campus, not partied, not had public Insta accounts, installed security if they were aware they had a stalker) to prevent this from happening.

That's why.

You aren't good at nuance. Victim blaming is literally saying "it's their fault they were murdered." Nobody has said that here. Nobody.

The nuance you're missing is this: in discussions about this crime, people are asking why they wouldn't have locked their doors, why the survivor didn't call the police, etc. Posters are discussing the household dynamics as a way of answering those questions. These discussions are a way to make sense of things.

These discussions will most likely get young people to start locking their doors. Maybe it will get roommates to communicate with each other about houseguests.

YOU don’t understand nuance.

Victim blaming is framing a post-crime discussion about what the VICTIM could have done differently to prevent themselves from having been victimized.

The whole premise is off. The perpetrator’s behavior should be the focus. Otherwise, you are IN ESSENCE (here is where the nuance comes in) talking about how the VICTIMS dropped the ball. And if only they had not, they would fine today.

Not appropriate.

(Nor should females have to plan their lives around steering clear of incels/stalkers/
rapists and other varieties of male predators.)

Totally agree that things shouldn’t be this way BUT the only thing I can control is me. I can’t control the murderers or the incels. What I can do is take actions that may make it harder for them to hurt me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:55 pages and I'd be curious to know how many of these posts are placing the blame squarely where it belongs (with the suspect) and how many are faulting the residents of the house.

Why do people keep saying this is victim blaming? They are NOT to blame. Having conversations about ways to reduce your risks of bad things happening is not blaming. It does not mean you deserve what happens.

I don't walk through dark alleys alone at night. Is it my fault if I'm robbed or killed? Of course not! But there are steps I can take to reduce the risk of a bad outcome so that hopefully I don't become a victim.

If he was stalking at least one of these girls chances are no matter what they did it wouldn't matter. BUT as a general principle I still lock my door when I leave my house. I don't deserve to be robbed and am not to blame if some breaks in, but I can reduce that risk.

Having conversations about ways to reduce your risks IN THIS THREAD implies that the people in the home could have done something (locked doors, called the police immediately, lived on campus, not partied, not had public Insta accounts, installed security if they were aware they had a stalker) to prevent this from happening.

That's why.

You aren't good at nuance. Victim blaming is literally saying "it's their fault they were murdered." Nobody has said that here. Nobody.

The nuance you're missing is this: in discussions about this crime, people are asking why they wouldn't have locked their doors, why the survivor didn't call the police, etc. Posters are discussing the household dynamics as a way of answering those questions. These discussions are a way to make sense of things.

These discussions will most likely get young people to start locking their doors. Maybe it will get roommates to communicate with each other about houseguests.

YOU don’t understand nuance.

Victim blaming is framing a post-crime discussion about what the VICTIM could have done differently to prevent themselves from having been victimized.

The whole premise is off. The perpetrator’s behavior should be the focus. Otherwise, you are IN ESSENCE (here is where the nuance comes in) talking about how the VICTIMS dropped the ball. And if only they had not, they would fine today.

Not appropriate.

(Nor should females have to plan their lives around steering clear of incels/stalkers/
rapists and other varieties of male predators.)

Totally agree that things shouldn’t be this way BUT the only thing I can control is me. I can’t control the murderers or the incels. What I can do is take actions that may make it harder for them to hurt me.

+1

DP here. If someone is on your radar, and you have a bad feeling about them, you are probably right, and should get away from the situation (that person) ASAP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:55 pages and I'd be curious to know how many of these posts are placing the blame squarely where it belongs (with the suspect) and how many are faulting the residents of the house.

Why do people keep saying this is victim blaming? They are NOT to blame. Having conversations about ways to reduce your risks of bad things happening is not blaming. It does not mean you deserve what happens.

I don't walk through dark alleys alone at night. Is it my fault if I'm robbed or killed? Of course not! But there are steps I can take to reduce the risk of a bad outcome so that hopefully I don't become a victim.

If he was stalking at least one of these girls chances are no matter what they did it wouldn't matter. BUT as a general principle I still lock my door when I leave my house. I don't deserve to be robbed and am not to blame if some breaks in, but I can reduce that risk.

Having conversations about ways to reduce your risks IN THIS THREAD implies that the people in the home could have done something (locked doors, called the police immediately, lived on campus, not partied, not had public Insta accounts, installed security if they were aware they had a stalker) to prevent this from happening.

That's why.

You aren't good at nuance. Victim blaming is literally saying "it's their fault they were murdered." Nobody has said that here. Nobody.

The nuance you're missing is this: in discussions about this crime, people are asking why they wouldn't have locked their doors, why the survivor didn't call the police, etc. Posters are discussing the household dynamics as a way of answering those questions. These discussions are a way to make sense of things.

These discussions will most likely get young people to start locking their doors. Maybe it will get roommates to communicate with each other about houseguests.

YOU don’t understand nuance.

Victim blaming is framing a post-crime discussion about what the VICTIM could have done differently to prevent themselves from having been victimized.

The whole premise is off. The perpetrator’s behavior should be the focus. Otherwise, you are IN ESSENCE (here is where the nuance comes in) talking about how the VICTIMS dropped the ball. And if only they had not, they would fine today.

Not appropriate.

(Nor should females have to plan their lives around steering clear of incels/stalkers/
rapists and other varieties of male predators.)

Totally agree that things shouldn’t be this way BUT the only thing I can control is me. I can’t control the murderers or the incels. What I can do is take actions that may make it harder for them to hurt me.

+1

DP here. If someone is on your radar, and you have a bad feeling about them, you are probably right, and should get away from the situation (that person) ASAP.

One one hand I agree.

On the other, post Covid almost everyone was “on my radar.” How is that any way to go through life, just distrusting every man?