Looks like a new Gaza war has started

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Anonymous wrote:There is no chance Israel would purposely target that hospital hours before the US president is scheduled to arrive. It is a well known hospital. It's been there for years. It's a Christian hospital. It's largely staffed by Doctors Without Borders. Israel is not targeting that building.

Abbas has just cancelled his meeting with Biden and the West Bank is presently rioting. This hospital strike is working out very well for Hamas.

I would hope that is the case (that Israel did not authorize this barbaric attack). Mainstream media are reporting it as carried out by Israel though.

It sounds more like a a Russian move (they bombed hospitals and clinics in Syria also). Russians were recorded training HAMAS fighters.

Is there any proof as to whom authorized this terrible act?

CNN headline said it was Israel. Now read the body of the article….

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Israel keeps lying.

Plus, none of Hamas prior rockets have had anywhere near the capacity of this one. Now all of a sudden they have the capacity to obliterate a hospital.

Israel are lying.

Exactly! They took credit for killing a lot of terrorist when they first bombed the hospital. Posted a tweet they later deleted. Once they found out how many civilians had been killed there stated blaming Hamas. The Israeli government is no better than Hamas.

US media will report whatever Israel says. If you do not toe the line you will be off the air. See MSNBC and wealthy Harvard alumni. Are people still saying Israel did not target the refugees convoys?

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Anonymous wrote:Hope the death of 500+ civilians today quenches Israel’s thirst for revenge.

Abbas has canceled his meetings with Biden.

Blame Hamas. They shot the rocket.

And, you know this how? Israeli propaganda sent you talking points?

It seems that misfiring rockets from Gaza may be an ongoing problem - https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/gaza-denial-doubt-over-misfiring-rocket-claims-2022-08-11/

It's an intercepted rocket followed by a bomb drop.

What he's apparently saying is that Israel shot down the Hamas missile which fell toward the hospital, but which somehow for sure did not detonate, and simultaneously Israel launched their own missile at the hospital, which then blew it up.

Pretzel logic

Intercepted rockets detonate in air, and it is obvious from the footage that this did, they don't explode on land after being intercepted. The massive explosion is a bomb.

Iron dome does not intercept missiles over Gaza City.

Only at Gaza Border or inside Israeli land.


Nice try….

Who said anything about Iron Dome? Iron Dome is a new invention, how do you think rockets are intercepted in places that don't have Iron Domes?

What is this new magical system that intercept rockets deep inside Gaza that Israel has. Why did not use it before or last week when the carnage started out if Hamas?

Answer, there is no such system. Take a while for rickets to be tracked and iron dome to destroy them. By then, most are in Israeli territory.

This "magical system" is called a fighter jet and the sky over Gaza is swarming with them.

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This thread confirms it was a hamas missile

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Anonymous wrote:I saw the Al Jazeera video and yes, looks like multiple rockets were launched from deep inside Gaza towards Israel.

One malfunctioned and dropped down in Gaza territory causing the huge explosion.

Exactly.

Israel has doctored videos and photos, and utilized old videos to try to prove that Hamas did it. The curtain has already been pulled back on their lies and we no longer believe it.
They must be brought to justice.

Not Hamas—Islamic Jihad.

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Anonymous wrote:Formal education and income aside, I've noticed that it's generally people on the anti-Israel side who seem really ignorant about basic things.
Like not realizing that Jordan is a country, as opposed to someone's surname, not realizing that there are non-Jews in Israel, not realizing that Jews don't all wear kippas,

I've notice that pro-Israel people barely ever seem to know anything about the Ottoman Empire and its involvement in the history of both the Jews and the Palestinians.

I know more about that history than most people on this thread. Guarantee you.

Including the fact that Palestinians have never had a sovereign state called “Palestine.”

That doesn’t mean they’re not entitled to one now. I think they are.

But the history just isn’t there like it is for the Jews.

My favorite “rebuttal” is when people point to Syria Palaestina as though it was some sort of independent Palestinian, Muslim entity. It was a Roman province formed from the Kingdom of Judea, when they conquered and expelled the Jews. It had mostly Romans. Some Arabic, Phonecian, and Syrian people briefly lived there, but by the 5th century AD it was majority Christian.

This is quite interesting. It reminds me of Northern Greeks wrapping themselves in the identity of ancient Macedonia when ethnically, they are of the same Albanian lineage folks across the border. That sort of thing.

It's all fascinating but our dear PP friend left out the Philistines. However if the Palestinians are the Philistines and the Israelis are the Israelites then according to the archeological record the Israelis are indigenous (no exodus) while the Palestinians were settled there from Crete by Egypt 3000 years ago.

It's insane. It's truly all insane.

? Is there any evidence Palestinians are related to the Philistines?

Actually, I think this is a known thing. The ancient Philistines are the Palestinians -- I would distance myself too, given the what 'philistine' means as an adjective.

No it’s not. The Philistines basically disappeared as a people quite a long time ago, into the Persian empire.

They seem to be one of MANY groups that left a fingerprint. TBH Palestinians may be one of the least distinct groups I've ever seen. Wow.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_the_Palestinians

That’s because there was no such thing as a Palestinian as a self-identifying Muslim community until more recently.

Functionally, they are simply the people living in Palestine.

One could have been a Palestinian Jew in Mandatory Palestine and indeed there were 500,000 of them there. A common refrain during the pre-WWII period was to tell Jews to “go back to Palestine.” There were also a lot of Palestinian Christians.

This is actually how I think of Palestine. However, it seems like both the Jews and Christians dispersed and who was left claiming it is the Muslim community that has become ever more dominant in its affairs?

Nope. In 1945, there were 1 million Palestinian Arabs and 500,000 Palestinian Jews in Mandatory Palestine.

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Anonymous wrote:Am I the only one curious to know the age/race/income/education level of some of the posters on this board? I find it all fascinating from a sociological perspective.

I 100% condemn Israel's atrocities. They are war criminals. I am 40+, female, attorney, and make a good amount of money. The more education you have about the region, the more likely you are to understand that Israel is not a good actor.

My far right Christian neighbors, however, believe that Israel has the second coming of Christ on their side and God is working with them to destroy Muslims.

There is a large discrepancy in education here.

Interesting. Similar age/income/education here and couldn't disagree more.

Are you Jewish?

Most of my friends with higher levels of education and having any level or insight into the region have understood that Israel has created an apartheid state. The only lawyers that I know that disagree with me are Jewish.

So only the stupid Jews support Israel? Is that your point?

I think they were saying Jew of all intelligence levels will support Israel, but if you are not Jewish you must be a dumb dumb if you support Israel.

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Not going to wade into this hospital bombing until all the facts come out. However, civilians and civilian infrastructure is going to be impacted in the next few weeks. That's fact. Hamas attacked Israel and is now lobbing 'barrages of rockets', and Israel declared war and are defending/counterattacking. What seems silly to me is the King of Jordan canceling the summit. How does that help in any way? What a weirdo move.

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Anonymous wrote:Formal education and income aside, I've noticed that it's generally people on the anti-Israel side who seem really ignorant about basic things.
Like not realizing that Jordan is a country, as opposed to someone's surname, not realizing that there are non-Jews in Israel, not realizing that Jews don't all wear kippas,

I've notice that pro-Israel people barely ever seem to know anything about the Ottoman Empire and its involvement in the history of both the Jews and the Palestinians.

I know more about that history than most people on this thread. Guarantee you.

Including the fact that Palestinians have never had a sovereign state called “Palestine.”

That doesn’t mean they’re not entitled to one now. I think they are.

But the history just isn’t there like it is for the Jews.

My favorite “rebuttal” is when people point to Syria Palaestina as though it was some sort of independent Palestinian, Muslim entity. It was a Roman province formed from the Kingdom of Judea, when they conquered and expelled the Jews. It had mostly Romans. Some Arabic, Phonecian, and Syrian people briefly lived there, but by the 5th century AD it was majority Christian.

This is quite interesting. It reminds me of Northern Greeks wrapping themselves in the identity of ancient Macedonia when ethnically, they are of the same Albanian lineage folks across the border. That sort of thing.

It's all fascinating but our dear PP friend left out the Philistines. However if the Palestinians are the Philistines and the Israelis are the Israelites then according to the archeological record the Israelis are indigenous (no exodus) while the Palestinians were settled there from Crete by Egypt 3000 years ago.

It's insane. It's truly all insane.

? Is there any evidence Palestinians are related to the Philistines?

Actually, I think this is a known thing. The ancient Philistines are the Palestinians -- I would distance myself too, given the what 'philistine' means as an adjective.

No it’s not. The Philistines basically disappeared as a people quite a long time ago, into the Persian empire.

They seem to be one of MANY groups that left a fingerprint. TBH Palestinians may be one of the least distinct groups I've ever seen. Wow.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_the_Palestinians

That’s because there was no such thing as a Palestinian as a self-identifying Muslim community until more recently.

Functionally, they are simply the people living in Palestine.

One could have been a Palestinian Jew in Mandatory Palestine and indeed there were 500,000 of them there. A common refrain during the pre-WWII period was to tell Jews to “go back to Palestine.” There were also a lot of Palestinian Christians.

This is actually how I think of Palestine. However, it seems like both the Jews and Christians dispersed and who was left claiming it is the Muslim community that has become ever more dominant in its affairs?

Nope. In 1945, there were 1 million Palestinian Arabs and 500,000 Palestinian Jews in Mandatory Palestine.

I meant recently. But tell us more about Palestinian Jews. I'm curious about their trajectory. Where are they today, and how do they identify?

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I noted that as soon as the hospital was hit, Hamas blamed Israel. Immediately.

Israel's response was - "we need to research this before responding." They looked for video evidence, drone evidence and other evidence and it showed that the rocket was fired from within Gaza.

But, the media believed the terrorists. With no evidence.

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Anonymous wrote:Regardless of who fired the rocket that hit the hospital, people on both sides of this issue will believe that the other side did it. And that may be enough to unleash terrorist attacks and destabilizing events all over the world. Judging from the passion on this thread for blaming one side or the other, it may not matter very much who launched that rocket. The damage is done.

Yes, but it does matter who did it.

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Yes, it does. And, the evidence is clear it was Hamas.
Whether they did it intentionally, or the rocket was errant is unknown, but it came from the Gaza region.

The narrative here always changes to “it doesn’t much matter” and “can’t we all get along” when they are wrong.

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So are the same people in this thread who said that the beheaded babies were Israeli propaganda also uncritically repeating Hamas claims about the origin of the rocket and hospital strike? It’s hard to take people seriously when they only promote propaganda from one side. And that goes for both sides.

I guess in general, please be careful about calling one side or the other perpetuators of atrocities without hard evidence. I know emotions are high and that’s hard to do but if you are asking the other side to stop promoting what you consider propaganda, please be as rigorous with your own side. I’ve failed this too before and I’m trying to be better. I know nobody is perfect. But please try.

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We've reached the "who bombed the hospital" phase two days early. We can proceed to "we were unprepared for the challenge of house-to-house urban warfare" followed by "whose fault is it that these children are starving"?

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The posters that immediately blamed Israel for the attack, come back and acknowledge the atrocities that Hamas and Islamic jihadist did to their own people. Don’t you care about the five hundred women and children anymore?

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Anonymous wrote:I noted that as soon as the hospital was hit, Hamas blamed Israel. Immediately.

Israel's response was - "we need to research this before responding." They looked for video evidence, drone evidence and other evidence and it showed that the rocket was fired from within Gaza.

But, the media believed the terrorists. With no evidence.

big surprise.