Savannah Guthrie’s mom is missing, suspect kidnapping

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Anonymous wrote:Sad to say but they're most likely looking for a body at this point. She has been missing almost a week come tomorrow.

I was thinking the same thing this morning. I also think that the ransom note is fake or a distraction. I don’t think they had/have her or she is already dead.

I also don’t think it’s the brother-in-law. I just can’t imagine why someone would take her in the middle of the night without stealing anything or without an obvious motive.

If she answered the door, it was someone she knew. The sheriff said yesterday it was not forced entry so it implies it was someone who knew her. The police department can’t let the sis and BiL know they’re on to them in case they try to escape to Mexico. They have to play it close to the chest and not freak out any suspects. The key to this case is if there was forced entry or not. Savannah’s mother still had her faculties and no doubt would’ve called 911 if a stranger was knocking at her door in the middle of the night

But what would the motive be for the sister or BIL to do that? I don’t think it is them

Jealousy. For obvious reasons

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^To hurt her mom that she bled?

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Anonymous wrote:This whole thing is so bizarre.

It really is. I know people complain about some missing people getting special treatment, and certainly that's true, but this is a weird one. Who takes an older woman in the middle of the night? Especially someone with a high profile relative? I cannot imagine it could possibly be Annie or her husband. How stupid would you have to be???

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Anonymous wrote:This whole thing is so bizarre.

It really is. I know people complain about some missing people getting special treatment, and certainly that's true, but this is a weird one. Who takes an older woman in the middle of the night? Especially someone with a high profile relative? I cannot imagine it could possibly be Annie or her husband. How stupid would you have to be???

Fact is it's often the family. Remember Susan Smith getting crying about someone kidnapping her kids? Turns out she drove them into a pond and drowned them herself.

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Anonymous wrote:This whole thing is so bizarre.

It really is. I know people complain about some missing people getting special treatment, and certainly that's true, but this is a weird one. Who takes an older woman in the middle of the night? Especially someone with a high profile relative? I cannot imagine it could possibly be Annie or her husband. How stupid would you have to be???

This. I don't think it is a family member unless there is severe mental illness that causes completely irrational thought. I do think they made an agreement with the BIL that he may be a decoy so the real kidnappers don't think the authorities are onto them. They have no reason to be jealous of Savannah unless this is a highly dysfunctional family with a mother who manipulates and it doesn't sound like that at all. I am sure they see all the sacrifices and exhaustion that comes with Savannah's high profile life and they can appreciate their quite and normally (before this) peaceful life. I have some close friends who are super successful-even one in the lime light though not quite a household name and I truly am proud of them, love hearing about their success, but at the same time don't envy them. My family is dysfunctional and my mother plays games, compares, tries to create competition, etc. I just don't engage, though it would stress me out when young. You would have to be severely mentally ill to have the level of jealousy some posters suggests no matter how dysfunctional a family (and it doesn't sound like this family was dysfunctional).

I keep getting back to this being a crime ring with foreign ties because it's easier to pull these things off in other countries. Alternatively, maybe a mentally ill contractor. I go out of my way to keep good contractors and write positive reviews and thank them profusely, because I once had a really deranged guy show up who started screaming at me for asking questions about his high quotes, etc. I remained calm and it was hard to de-escalate. Something was really wrong there and it made me scared for the next few months knowing he had my address. His thinking and reasoning skills were completely off and i think that would have to be the case with crime like this. I also suspect the criminals must have some personality disorder features and enjoy the national attention and temporary power.

Thanks for coming to my layperson Ted talk.

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Anonymous wrote:If it's someone from her family, how did they plan to spend the ransom money? LE won't let them go overseas unless this is solved. Any big purchase they make would look suspicious, even if they were not involved.
Does anyone know if they moved a year ago because of their job or to live closer to Nancy?

The ransom note may be a fake-out move if it's someone in the family. They aren't expecting money but want to make it look like someone else took her. Killed by accident maybe with cover-up. Distraction, ala JonBemet Ramsey. But I'm not saying it was them.

I guess in 2026 I’m just surprised it would take the feds this long to not nab a family member. The tech today is so different than all the cases that have been referenced like Lacey, JonBenét, for example, because of her Apple Watch and pacemaker and things we know exactly which she was taken from the house. Because of cameras - though they didn’t help entirely, they did show some information (sounds like they picked up some information).

And now they have this great system where they can see from street cameras every car that was in the area which was not around in those other cases.

What they saying on the today show this morning is that that searching is super helpful but if you don’t have a narrow list of suspects it takes a long time because it’s a needle in a haystack. If they have a suspect, though, and know that person‘s license in no time they would be able to see if that person was driving in the middle of the night.

True. Cameras, cell phone locations.

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Anonymous wrote:I really feel for this family.

BUT this story taking the first ten minutes of the news on multiple channels several days in a row is completely bonkers.

You don’t understand people make a big deal about things that happened to their own?

It is a lot of coverage, but I think it's a good (and also sad) demonstration of how long investigations take and how having resources and money don't shield you from all things. I cannot believe this has gone on with this much attention, but investigations do take time.

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Praying for her safe return.

I'm sorry, in 2026 I just cannot

Praying to whom?

Have 2 brain cells ... "God" let her get kidnapped in the first place

Clearly you don't believe (your prerogative), but it's clear Nancy had a strong faith. People praying for intercession is a way they can offer support, even to someone they don't know.

God didn't "let" her get kidnapped, but of course you know this.

He doesn't prevent suffering but provides inner strength, hope and presence to endure it.

If that's not for you, just scroll on by.

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Praying for her safe return.

I'm sorry, in 2026 I just cannot

Praying to whom?

Have 2 brain cells ... "God" let her get kidnapped in the first place

Clearly you don't believe (your prerogative), but it's clear Nancy had a strong faith. People praying for intercession is a way they can offer support, even to someone they don't know.

God didn't "let" her get kidnapped, but of course you know this.

He doesn't prevent suffering but provides inner strength, hope and presence to endure it.

If that's not for you, just scroll on by.

+1 beautifully worded truth

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Anonymous wrote:If burglars arrived, the cameras would have caught the footage. They cannot disable cameras in advance, only a relative or family caretaker can do that

Wrong. It is very easy to disable wifi cameras and you don't have to be that close to them to do it.

I agree that I think it is a family member or someone close to them.

The reason why I don’t think it is is because this is not a typical case. if this were a younger person, police would not have gotten involved as quickly - if she hadn’t shown up at church and she was young and healthy the police would’ve asked to give it more time.

Because she was 84 and a huge reason older people go missing is because they wander off, they got the police involved earlier. Further, this is not a typical case, it’s incredibly high profile.

So the typical family member did it is weird to me because this person, to get away with it for a week, would’ve had to be really organized and really outsmarting federal agents very quickly.

I’m just thinking of the last two high profile kidnappings that I know of, Elizabeth Smart, and the young girl, Jamie I think, who was kidnapped at her home and eventually escaped (sadly, the kidnapper had killed her parents to get her). In both instances it was a random stranger who had been watching them, but was not known to the family. that makes it much harder to find because instead of a pool with like 12 people to investigate you have to investigate the world.

Clearly the motive for the two young girls were very different than Savannah‘s mother but again this being such a high profile case, it feels weird that a random family member would be so good at this. I just saw on morning Joe that NBC corporate security is working with Savannah to see about past threats, etc.

There have been several missing women the police got involved with early only to find their lying husbands killed them? High profile like Laci Peterson, Ana Walshe or Jennifer Dulos? Police get involved when it's unusual for someone to be missing. An elderly person, mother, child, etc.

Right, but the people that you named were younger able-bodied adults. And in those cases, they will wait 24 hours unless you can show extenuating circumstances. If your husband promised you’d be home from work and he’s two hours late, the police aren’t going to start an investigation, sorry. Even if you think it’s concerning. What I’m pointing out is this is different than a typical domestic violence case because the woman was elderly, so the police got involved quicker than they normally would.

Add to the fact that this is going to be an incredibly high profile case because it’s a national figures mother, and it just would be odd that some bumbling relative who wanted to get some money or had a bone to pick would be getting away with it for this long. That’s all I’m saying.

The age of the woman, and therefore the speed of a police investigation, and the high profile nature of this case, makes it seem like this is a more organized attack than just a disgruntled relative.

Did you forget the dentist and his wife recently killed? The police went right to the house when he was late for work. This 24 hour thing exists in your head.

It depends how connected you are to the cops. I remember Karina Vetrano was reported missing by her dad a few hours after she went missing and she was found by the dad and his neighbor (a police chief) at 9pm that night. She was 30 yet cops didn’t wait 24 hours to complete a missing person search but I know cops sometimes wait more than 24 hours for underage teenagers (15+)

So it really depends on the person or circumstances. Which is how it should be.

No, it depends on how connected you are to the cops. Apparently, knowing a cop and searching and finding a dead body with a cop ala John Ramsey is ok.

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Anonymous wrote:If burglars arrived, the cameras would have caught the footage. They cannot disable cameras in advance, only a relative or family caretaker can do that

Wrong. It is very easy to disable wifi cameras and you don't have to be that close to them to do it.

I agree that I think it is a family member or someone close to them.

The reason why I don’t think it is is because this is not a typical case. if this were a younger person, police would not have gotten involved as quickly - if she hadn’t shown up at church and she was young and healthy the police would’ve asked to give it more time.

Because she was 84 and a huge reason older people go missing is because they wander off, they got the police involved earlier. Further, this is not a typical case, it’s incredibly high profile.

So the typical family member did it is weird to me because this person, to get away with it for a week, would’ve had to be really organized and really outsmarting federal agents very quickly.

I’m just thinking of the last two high profile kidnappings that I know of, Elizabeth Smart, and the young girl, Jamie I think, who was kidnapped at her home and eventually escaped (sadly, the kidnapper had killed her parents to get her). In both instances it was a random stranger who had been watching them, but was not known to the family. that makes it much harder to find because instead of a pool with like 12 people to investigate you have to investigate the world.

Clearly the motive for the two young girls were very different than Savannah‘s mother but again this being such a high profile case, it feels weird that a random family member would be so good at this. I just saw on morning Joe that NBC corporate security is working with Savannah to see about past threats, etc.

There have been several missing women the police got involved with early only to find their lying husbands killed them? High profile like Laci Peterson, Ana Walshe or Jennifer Dulos? Police get involved when it's unusual for someone to be missing. An elderly person, mother, child, etc.

Right, but the people that you named were younger able-bodied adults. And in those cases, they will wait 24 hours unless you can show extenuating circumstances. If your husband promised you’d be home from work and he’s two hours late, the police aren’t going to start an investigation, sorry. Even if you think it’s concerning. What I’m pointing out is this is different than a typical domestic violence case because the woman was elderly, so the police got involved quicker than they normally would.

Add to the fact that this is going to be an incredibly high profile case because it’s a national figures mother, and it just would be odd that some bumbling relative who wanted to get some money or had a bone to pick would be getting away with it for this long. That’s all I’m saying.

The age of the woman, and therefore the speed of a police investigation, and the high profile nature of this case, makes it seem like this is a more organized attack than just a disgruntled relative.

Did you forget the dentist and his wife recently killed? The police went right to the house when he was late for work. This 24 hour thing exists in your head.

It depends how connected you are to the cops. I remember Karina Vetrano was reported missing by her dad a few hours after she went missing and she was found by the dad and his neighbor (a police chief) at 9pm that night. She was 30 yet cops didn’t wait 24 hours to complete a missing person search but I know cops sometimes wait more than 24 hours for underage teenagers (15+)

So it really depends on the person or circumstances. Which is how it should be.

No, it depends on how connected you are to the cops. Apparently, knowing a cop and searching and finding a dead body with a cop ala John Ramsey is ok.

No, it really doesn't. Stop with your nonsense.

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Anonymous wrote:If burglars arrived, the cameras would have caught the footage. They cannot disable cameras in advance, only a relative or family caretaker can do that

Wrong. It is very easy to disable wifi cameras and you don't have to be that close to them to do it.

I agree that I think it is a family member or someone close to them.

The reason why I don’t think it is is because this is not a typical case. if this were a younger person, police would not have gotten involved as quickly - if she hadn’t shown up at church and she was young and healthy the police would’ve asked to give it more time.

Because she was 84 and a huge reason older people go missing is because they wander off, they got the police involved earlier. Further, this is not a typical case, it’s incredibly high profile.

So the typical family member did it is weird to me because this person, to get away with it for a week, would’ve had to be really organized and really outsmarting federal agents very quickly.

I’m just thinking of the last two high profile kidnappings that I know of, Elizabeth Smart, and the young girl, Jamie I think, who was kidnapped at her home and eventually escaped (sadly, the kidnapper had killed her parents to get her). In both instances it was a random stranger who had been watching them, but was not known to the family. that makes it much harder to find because instead of a pool with like 12 people to investigate you have to investigate the world.

Clearly the motive for the two young girls were very different than Savannah‘s mother but again this being such a high profile case, it feels weird that a random family member would be so good at this. I just saw on morning Joe that NBC corporate security is working with Savannah to see about past threats, etc.

There have been several missing women the police got involved with early only to find their lying husbands killed them? High profile like Laci Peterson, Ana Walshe or Jennifer Dulos? Police get involved when it's unusual for someone to be missing. An elderly person, mother, child, etc.

Right, but the people that you named were younger able-bodied adults. And in those cases, they will wait 24 hours unless you can show extenuating circumstances. If your husband promised you’d be home from work and he’s two hours late, the police aren’t going to start an investigation, sorry. Even if you think it’s concerning. What I’m pointing out is this is different than a typical domestic violence case because the woman was elderly, so the police got involved quicker than they normally would.

Add to the fact that this is going to be an incredibly high profile case because it’s a national figures mother, and it just would be odd that some bumbling relative who wanted to get some money or had a bone to pick would be getting away with it for this long. That’s all I’m saying.

The age of the woman, and therefore the speed of a police investigation, and the high profile nature of this case, makes it seem like this is a more organized attack than just a disgruntled relative.

Did you forget the dentist and his wife recently killed? The police went right to the house when he was late for work. This 24 hour thing exists in your head.

It depends how connected you are to the cops. I remember Karina Vetrano was reported missing by her dad a few hours after she went missing and she was found by the dad and his neighbor (a police chief) at 9pm that night. She was 30 yet cops didn’t wait 24 hours to complete a missing person search but I know cops sometimes wait more than 24 hours for underage teenagers (15+)

So it really depends on the person or circumstances. Which is how it should be.

No, it depends on how connected you are to the cops. Apparently, knowing a cop and searching and finding a dead body with a cop ala John Ramsey is ok.

No, it really doesn't. Stop with your nonsense.

Yes, it does. Knowing the cops helps. Why do you think drug kingpins use to befriend police officers and donate to police departments? Cops aren’t the brightest tools in the shed. It’s easy for sociopath to call 911, report a “missing person, and then discover the dead body while accompanied by a friend/cop. John Ramsey found the body because he knew she was dead not missing

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Anonymous wrote:If burglars arrived, the cameras would have caught the footage. They cannot disable cameras in advance, only a relative or family caretaker can do that

Wrong. It is very easy to disable wifi cameras and you don't have to be that close to them to do it.

I agree that I think it is a family member or someone close to them.

The reason why I don’t think it is is because this is not a typical case. if this were a younger person, police would not have gotten involved as quickly - if she hadn’t shown up at church and she was young and healthy the police would’ve asked to give it more time.

Because she was 84 and a huge reason older people go missing is because they wander off, they got the police involved earlier. Further, this is not a typical case, it’s incredibly high profile.

So the typical family member did it is weird to me because this person, to get away with it for a week, would’ve had to be really organized and really outsmarting federal agents very quickly.

I’m just thinking of the last two high profile kidnappings that I know of, Elizabeth Smart, and the young girl, Jamie I think, who was kidnapped at her home and eventually escaped (sadly, the kidnapper had killed her parents to get her). In both instances it was a random stranger who had been watching them, but was not known to the family. that makes it much harder to find because instead of a pool with like 12 people to investigate you have to investigate the world.

Clearly the motive for the two young girls were very different than Savannah‘s mother but again this being such a high profile case, it feels weird that a random family member would be so good at this. I just saw on morning Joe that NBC corporate security is working with Savannah to see about past threats, etc.

There have been several missing women the police got involved with early only to find their lying husbands killed them? High profile like Laci Peterson, Ana Walshe or Jennifer Dulos? Police get involved when it's unusual for someone to be missing. An elderly person, mother, child, etc.

Right, but the people that you named were younger able-bodied adults. And in those cases, they will wait 24 hours unless you can show extenuating circumstances. If your husband promised you’d be home from work and he’s two hours late, the police aren’t going to start an investigation, sorry. Even if you think it’s concerning. What I’m pointing out is this is different than a typical domestic violence case because the woman was elderly, so the police got involved quicker than they normally would.

Add to the fact that this is going to be an incredibly high profile case because it’s a national figures mother, and it just would be odd that some bumbling relative who wanted to get some money or had a bone to pick would be getting away with it for this long. That’s all I’m saying.

The age of the woman, and therefore the speed of a police investigation, and the high profile nature of this case, makes it seem like this is a more organized attack than just a disgruntled relative.

Did you forget the dentist and his wife recently killed? The police went right to the house when he was late for work. This 24 hour thing exists in your head.

It depends how connected you are to the cops. I remember Karina Vetrano was reported missing by her dad a few hours after she went missing and she was found by the dad and his neighbor (a police chief) at 9pm that night. She was 30 yet cops didn’t wait 24 hours to complete a missing person search but I know cops sometimes wait more than 24 hours for underage teenagers (15+)

So it really depends on the person or circumstances. Which is how it should be.

No, it depends on how connected you are to the cops. Apparently, knowing a cop and searching and finding a dead body with a cop ala John Ramsey is ok.

No, it really doesn't. Stop with your nonsense.

Yes, it does. Knowing the cops helps. Why do you think drug kingpins use to befriend police officers and donate to police departments? Cops aren’t the brightest tools in the shed. It’s easy for sociopath to call 911, report a “missing person, and then discover the dead body while accompanied by a friend/cop. John Ramsey found the body because he knew she was dead not missing

Your tinfoil hat is on too tight.

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Anonymous wrote:If burglars arrived, the cameras would have caught the footage. They cannot disable cameras in advance, only a relative or family caretaker can do that

Wrong. It is very easy to disable wifi cameras and you don't have to be that close to them to do it.

I agree that I think it is a family member or someone close to them.

The reason why I don’t think it is is because this is not a typical case. if this were a younger person, police would not have gotten involved as quickly - if she hadn’t shown up at church and she was young and healthy the police would’ve asked to give it more time.

Because she was 84 and a huge reason older people go missing is because they wander off, they got the police involved earlier. Further, this is not a typical case, it’s incredibly high profile.

So the typical family member did it is weird to me because this person, to get away with it for a week, would’ve had to be really organized and really outsmarting federal agents very quickly.

I’m just thinking of the last two high profile kidnappings that I know of, Elizabeth Smart, and the young girl, Jamie I think, who was kidnapped at her home and eventually escaped (sadly, the kidnapper had killed her parents to get her). In both instances it was a random stranger who had been watching them, but was not known to the family. that makes it much harder to find because instead of a pool with like 12 people to investigate you have to investigate the world.

Clearly the motive for the two young girls were very different than Savannah‘s mother but again this being such a high profile case, it feels weird that a random family member would be so good at this. I just saw on morning Joe that NBC corporate security is working with Savannah to see about past threats, etc.

There have been several missing women the police got involved with early only to find their lying husbands killed them? High profile like Laci Peterson, Ana Walshe or Jennifer Dulos? Police get involved when it's unusual for someone to be missing. An elderly person, mother, child, etc.

Right, but the people that you named were younger able-bodied adults. And in those cases, they will wait 24 hours unless you can show extenuating circumstances. If your husband promised you’d be home from work and he’s two hours late, the police aren’t going to start an investigation, sorry. Even if you think it’s concerning. What I’m pointing out is this is different than a typical domestic violence case because the woman was elderly, so the police got involved quicker than they normally would.

Add to the fact that this is going to be an incredibly high profile case because it’s a national figures mother, and it just would be odd that some bumbling relative who wanted to get some money or had a bone to pick would be getting away with it for this long. That’s all I’m saying.

The age of the woman, and therefore the speed of a police investigation, and the high profile nature of this case, makes it seem like this is a more organized attack than just a disgruntled relative.

Did you forget the dentist and his wife recently killed? The police went right to the house when he was late for work. This 24 hour thing exists in your head.

It depends how connected you are to the cops. I remember Karina Vetrano was reported missing by her dad a few hours after she went missing and she was found by the dad and his neighbor (a police chief) at 9pm that night. She was 30 yet cops didn’t wait 24 hours to complete a missing person search but I know cops sometimes wait more than 24 hours for underage teenagers (15+)

So it really depends on the person or circumstances. Which is how it should be.

No, it depends on how connected you are to the cops. Apparently, knowing a cop and searching and finding a dead body with a cop ala John Ramsey is ok.

No, it really doesn't. Stop with your nonsense.

Yes, it does. Knowing the cops helps. Why do you think drug kingpins use to befriend police officers and donate to police departments? Cops aren’t the brightest tools in the shed. It’s easy for sociopath to call 911, report a “missing person, and then discover the dead body while accompanied by a friend/cop. John Ramsey found the body because he knew she was dead not missing

Your tinfoil hat is on too tight.

No, it isn’t. I understand human psychology. Jealousy and family money is a huge trigger point for elder abuse

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TMZ is reporting that the ransom note included something not disclosed by law enforcement or noticeable on b-roll: the placement of her Apple watch.

I would suppose this is something more specific than "on her nightstand" but maybe as something they placed specifically to be able to show authenticity.