Protests on college campuses

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Anonymous wrote:Long story short, it is the right of American citizens to protest, if it doesn’t suit a certain narrative then it’s not their problem. If these kids want to protest, then they have every right to do so, there is a big Zionist lobby that has tried to control every opinion and aspect of this conflict since 10/7 and anyone not agreeing with Israel is promptly labeled antisemitic. Frankly, it’s nauseating.

It is their right. But their pro-Hamas protests win no hearts or minds.

The right wingers and administrators who are siccing the cops on them aren’t winning any hearts and minds either.

They are breaking the law by violently protesting, accosting police, and trespassing. Yet you think there should be no consequences? Of course you do. This is why normal, sane people think you are crazy.

This started with a bunch of dumb college kids camping in tents holding signs. The administration could have just ignored them and let them be stupid. They overreacted and made this a power game.

+1. It’s like University Presidents are CEOs with no actual understanding of college kids.

I talked to my college kid (on a so far protest free campus, thank goodness) last weekend. They were having trouble with a housemate’s behavior. And I reminded them that we weren’t in September, when a permanent solution to the behavior was needed to avoid an unpleasant school year. Instead, a light touch and keeping the peach for 10 days would get them through finals and that they weren’t scheduled to room with that person next year.

Columbia’s President kow-towed to the extreme right in Congress, because they had cancelled prior university presidents. And then followed through by dealing with theColumbia protestors with a heavy hand *from a war room in DC* with no attempts to deescalate or contain the protestors first. And it backfired bigly. Anyone who actual knows college kids could have told her that would happen. She massively over reacted, and there was a backlash.

There is an alternative universe where she ignored the students and dealt with any specific behaviors that were actually violent or threatening (as opposed to expressing a distasteful viewpoint or being annoying, which is the point of protest and is protected under 1A). Had professors flunk kids who didn’t show up for finals. And issued trespassing citations and cut off campus building key card access for kids who were not off campus within 24-48 hours after their last final (the rule at my kids college). And most of the kids would have dispersed before commencement.

Then she doubled down on what didn’t work yesterday, and now they took over a campus building.

It’s like she had no understanding of college kids and is a Fortune 500 CEO primarily there to make donors happy and have an occasional orchestrated photo op with students. Because that’s what she is.

I have no idea why she did not just ignore them as group until the end of the semester, discipline only bad actors, and wait for summer DP vacation, when everyone could take a breath and calm down.

Stupid. What she did was stupid. Divorced from the reality of how 18-22 year olds think annd operate. And seemed designed to cause more problems than it solved.

I agree with a lot of this. But two extra points: the place where the encampment occupied yesterday is the site of commencement, which takes weeks of preparation. Either the encampment or commencement needs to move, immediately. And also, these tent cities, these encampments, are, either unintentionally or by design, are particularly offensive the way they resemble the current, intractable, homeless tent cities occupying cities all over the country. Cities are grappling with how to properly deal with homeless tent cities amid conflicting laws, safety, compassion, and irate citizens. And now students are doing it too? They may not realize exactly how negatively tent encampments may be perceived.

Occupying the commencement location is an actual problem, and an alternative site should be provided.

Demonstrating in an offensive manner isn’t illegal and is a core tenant of 1A. I’m a lawyer, and I firmly believe in our constitutional rights— all of them— not just the ones that involve guns. In this country you get to be offensive. And after 7 year of “F—- your feelings,” I would think the right would get that. The red hat brigade is offensive and triggering to me. Does not mean they should be punished, or even removed from the restaurant, park or campus where I am. Instead, I need to act like an adult and ignore them. Pitching a temper tantrum every time I see a F—- Biden sign or red hat just plays into MAGA’s hands.

So stop being snowflakes. And ignore the protestors unless they are actually violent or threatening. Not give you the bad feels. Engaging in illegal behavior.

Is violently breaking into buildings not illegal behavior? Not allowing Jewish students to pass by to get to class is not harassment?

Please read the bolded. Yes, of course taking a building by force is violent or threatening behavior. But these protests didn’t start as violent of threatening **in most cases**. A lot of unforced errors by Columbia.

Shafik and the BoD all must resign. Her reaction has been ridiculous. This is going to cost the university and NYPD millions. They are going to be sued and the discovery will be very damaging. So much so that it will call in to question why the university has such a high percentage of Jewish students vs other.

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Anonymous wrote:The hatred toward these students is deranged on this thread. So many of you trapped in propaganda hell and frothing at the mouth.

Why do you get off so much on being angry and hateful?

The protesters aren’t victims. They are depriving other students on an in person education and in some campuses, a graduation.

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Anonymous wrote:There aren't "dem billionares" funding this.

If there is any funding, it is coming from Tehran and Moscow.

“Jewish Left-leaning billionaire and philanthropist George Soros and associations funded by him are reportedly funding the anti-Israel protests at college campuses across the US. The protests, which started at Columbia University last week, have spread to universities and colleges across over 8 states in the US, The New York Post reported.

The cash from Soros and his associations has been key to the protests in Columbia University. At the Columbia University, three groups set up the tent city last Wednesday. These groups are Students for Justice in Palestine (SJP), Jewish Voice for Peace (JVP), and Within Our Lifetime. “

Ding! Ding! Ding! Wake-up DCUM!

Enough with the Communist propaganda. Soros hates America.

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Anonymous wrote:Long story short, it is the right of American citizens to protest, if it doesn’t suit a certain narrative then it’s not their problem. If these kids want to protest, then they have every right to do so, there is a big Zionist lobby that has tried to control every opinion and aspect of this conflict since 10/7 and anyone not agreeing with Israel is promptly labeled antisemitic. Frankly, it’s nauseating.

It is their right. But their pro-Hamas protests win no hearts or minds.

The right wingers and administrators who are siccing the cops on them aren’t winning any hearts and minds either.

They are breaking the law by violently protesting, accosting police, and trespassing. Yet you think there should be no consequences? Of course you do. This is why normal, sane people think you are crazy.

This started with a bunch of dumb college kids camping in tents holding signs. The administration could have just ignored them and let them be stupid. They overreacted and made this a power game.

+1. It’s like University Presidents are CEOs with no actual understanding of college kids.

I talked to my college kid (on a so far protest free campus, thank goodness) last weekend. They were having trouble with a housemate’s behavior. And I reminded them that we weren’t in September, when a permanent solution to the behavior was needed to avoid an unpleasant school year. Instead, a light touch and keeping the peach for 10 days would get them through finals and that they weren’t scheduled to room with that person next year.

Columbia’s President kow-towed to the extreme right in Congress, because they had cancelled prior university presidents. And then followed through by dealing with theColumbia protestors with a heavy hand *from a war room in DC* with no attempts to deescalate or contain the protestors first. And it backfired bigly. Anyone who actual knows college kids could have told her that would happen. She massively over reacted, and there was a backlash.

There is an alternative universe where she ignored the students and dealt with any specific behaviors that were actually violent or threatening (as opposed to expressing a distasteful viewpoint or being annoying, which is the point of protest and is protected under 1A). Had professors flunk kids who didn’t show up for finals. And issued trespassing citations and cut off campus building key card access for kids who were not off campus within 24-48 hours after their last final (the rule at my kids college). And most of the kids would have dispersed before commencement.

Then she doubled down on what didn’t work yesterday, and now they took over a campus building.

It’s like she had no understanding of college kids and is a Fortune 500 CEO primarily there to make donors happy and have an occasional orchestrated photo op with students. Because that’s what she is.

I have no idea why she did not just ignore them as group until the end of the semester, discipline only bad actors, and wait for summer DP vacation, when everyone could take a breath and calm down.

Stupid. What she did was stupid. Divorced from the reality of how 18-22 year olds think annd operate. And seemed designed to cause more problems than it solved.

I agree with a lot of this. But two extra points: the place where the encampment occupied yesterday is the site of commencement, which takes weeks of preparation. Either the encampment or commencement needs to move, immediately. And also, these tent cities, these encampments, are, either unintentionally or by design, are particularly offensive the way they resemble the current, intractable, homeless tent cities occupying cities all over the country. Cities are grappling with how to properly deal with homeless tent cities amid conflicting laws, safety, compassion, and irate citizens. And now students are doing it too? They may not realize exactly how negatively tent encampments may be perceived.

Occupying the commencement location is an actual problem, and an alternative site should be provided.

Demonstrating in an offensive manner isn’t illegal and is a core tenant of 1A. I’m a lawyer, and I firmly believe in our constitutional rights— all of them— not just the ones that involve guns. In this country you get to be offensive. And after 7 year of “F—- your feelings,” I would think the right would get that. The red hat brigade is offensive and triggering to me. Does not mean they should be punished, or even removed from the restaurant, park or campus where I am. Instead, I need to act like an adult and ignore them. Pitching a temper tantrum every time I see a F—- Biden sign or red hat just plays into MAGA’s hands.

So stop being snowflakes. And ignore the protestors unless they are actually violent or threatening. Not give you the bad feels. Engaging in illegal behavior.

Is violently breaking into buildings not illegal behavior? Not allowing Jewish students to pass by to get to class is not harassment?

Please read the bolded. Yes, of course taking a building by force is violent or threatening behavior. But these protests didn’t start as violent of threatening **in most cases**. A lot of unforced errors by Columbia.

These protesters/trespassers operate with a "give an inch, take a mile" playbook. Even if Columbia had relented and agreed to "divest", they'd start demanding something else. They're only there to cause trouble, and we all see it.

So you think Columbia has handled this well?

No, the instigators should have been kicked off campus and the students disciplined. This is what happens when you coddle misbehaving toddlers.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There aren't "dem billionares" funding this.

If there is any funding, it is coming from Tehran and Moscow.

“Jewish Left-leaning billionaire and philanthropist George Soros and associations funded by him are reportedly funding the anti-Israel protests at college campuses across the US. The protests, which started at Columbia University last week, have spread to universities and colleges across over 8 states in the US, The New York Post reported.

The cash from Soros and his associations has been key to the protests in Columbia University. At the Columbia University, three groups set up the tent city last Wednesday. These groups are Students for Justice in Palestine (SJP), Jewish Voice for Peace (JVP), and Within Our Lifetime. “

This is a lie. These protest are organic and that’s what has the powers that be mobilize so quickly and aggressively. George Soros funds unrest in the rest of the world.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder why these students weren't protesting the ethnic cleansing of Uyghurs in China? Or the thousands of children that have died of starvation in Yemen? Or the atrocities in Syria? Or the expulsion of 100,000 Armenians from Nagorno-Karabakh? Or the coup in Burkina Faso? What about the six million people that have been killed in Congo over the past twenty years? Or the collapse of Haiti?

There seems to be something particularly about Israel. I wonder what it could be.

In how many of those cases was the US providing the arms or funding the perpetrators?

DP. In several, actually.

US trade is China's largest source of $$$.

US is Saudi's largest source of military materiel ($140bn).

In Haiti, US supported Papa Doc for decades.

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While Emory University, Boston’s Emerson College and the University of Southern California have grabbed national headlines for law enforcement officers clashing with campus protesters, the police force in the nation’s capital opted to avoid the situation.

From The Washington Post’s report by Peter Hermann: D.C. police rejected pleas from George Washington University officials to clear pro-Palestinian demonstrators out of an on-campus encampment early Friday morning, saying they worried about the optics of moving against a small number of peaceful protesters, according to two officials familiar with the talks.

https://www.ajc.com/news/dc-police-refuse-universitys-pleas-to-remove-protesters/G3KTS5QXLZB5ROFGGENK7JCTGA/

Smart move by the DC police. Guess they have more experience with protests.

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10:10 is a liar.

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Anonymous wrote:The hatred toward these students is deranged on this thread. So many of you trapped in propaganda hell and frothing at the mouth.

Why do you get off so much on being angry and hateful?

The protesters aren’t victims. They are depriving other students on an in person education and in some campuses, a graduation.

The universities are aiding and abbeting war crimes, depriving thousands of life and millions of livelihood.

[Anonymous]

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While Emory University, Boston’s Emerson College and the University of Southern California have grabbed national headlines for law enforcement officers clashing with campus protesters, the police force in the nation’s capital opted to avoid the situation.

From The Washington Post’s report by Peter Hermann: D.C. police rejected pleas from George Washington University officials to clear pro-Palestinian demonstrators out of an on-campus encampment early Friday morning, saying they worried about the optics of moving against a small number of peaceful protesters, according to two officials familiar with the talks.

https://www.ajc.com/news/dc-police-refuse-universitys-pleas-to-remove-protesters/G3KTS5QXLZB5ROFGGENK7JCTGA/

Smart move by the DC police. Guess they have more experience with protests.

And what happens when they move to seize a building?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There aren't "dem billionares" funding this.

If there is any funding, it is coming from Tehran and Moscow.

“Jewish Left-leaning billionaire and philanthropist George Soros and associations funded by him are reportedly funding the anti-Israel protests at college campuses across the US. The protests, which started at Columbia University last week, have spread to universities and colleges across over 8 states in the US, The New York Post reported.

The cash from Soros and his associations has been key to the protests in Columbia University. At the Columbia University, three groups set up the tent city last Wednesday. These groups are Students for Justice in Palestine (SJP), Jewish Voice for Peace (JVP), and Within Our Lifetime. “

This is a lie. These protest are organic and that’s what has the powers that be mobilize so quickly and aggressively. George Soros funds unrest in the rest of the world.

Soros is the wrong type of Jew? Only pro Israeli Jews billionaires are acceptable?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The hatred toward these students is deranged on this thread. So many of you trapped in propaganda hell and frothing at the mouth.

Why do you get off so much on being angry and hateful?

The protesters aren’t victims. They are depriving other students on an in person education and in some campuses, a graduation.

The universities are aiding and abbeting war crimes, depriving thousands of life and millions of livelihood.

Then the “students” should get an education elsewhere at a university whose values they support. They are free to leave. They aren’t free to occupy private property to make “demands” the university doesn’t agree with.

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While Emory University, Boston’s Emerson College and the University of Southern California have grabbed national headlines for law enforcement officers clashing with campus protesters, the police force in the nation’s capital opted to avoid the situation.

From The Washington Post’s report by Peter Hermann: D.C. police rejected pleas from George Washington University officials to clear pro-Palestinian demonstrators out of an on-campus encampment early Friday morning, saying they worried about the optics of moving against a small number of peaceful protesters, according to two officials familiar with the talks.

https://www.ajc.com/news/dc-police-refuse-universitys-pleas-to-remove-protesters/G3KTS5QXLZB5ROFGGENK7JCTGA/

Smart move by the DC police. Guess they have more experience with protests.

And what happens when they move to seize a building?

Are you against seizing buildings? Why are you funding squatters in occupied territories?

[Anonymous]

I really question what the mob’s end goal is with that illegal takeover of the campus building.

Their demands will never be met.

Eventually they will have to surrender once they run out of food/Supplies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:“ Protesters inside Hamilton Hall at Columbia University have hung banners reading “Intifada" after they vandalized and took over a university building last night.

A Columbia facilities worker was “held hostage” as students occupied the hall.

The university asked those "who can avoid coming to the Morningside campus today" to do so.”

I can already visualize Republican ads.