Protests on college campuses

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Anonymous wrote:Long story short, it is the right of American citizens to protest, if it doesn’t suit a certain narrative then it’s not their problem. If these kids want to protest, then they have every right to do so, there is a big Zionist lobby that has tried to control every opinion and aspect of this conflict since 10/7 and anyone not agreeing with Israel is promptly labeled antisemitic. Frankly, it’s nauseating.

It is their right. But their pro-Hamas protests win no hearts or minds.

The right wingers and administrators who are siccing the cops on them aren’t winning any hearts and minds either.

They are breaking the law by violently protesting, accosting police, and trespassing. Yet you think there should be no consequences? Of course you do. This is why normal, sane people think you are crazy.

This started with a bunch of dumb college kids camping in tents holding signs. The administration could have just ignored them and let them be stupid. They overreacted and made this a power game.

+1. It’s like University Presidents are CEOs with no actual understanding of college kids.

I talked to my college kid (on a so far protest free campus, thank goodness) last weekend. They were having trouble with a housemate’s behavior. And I reminded them that we weren’t in September, when a permanent solution to the behavior was needed to avoid an unpleasant school year. Instead, a light touch and keeping the peach for 10 days would get them through finals and that they weren’t scheduled to room with that person next year.

Columbia’s President kow-towed to the extreme right in Congress, because they had cancelled prior university presidents. And then followed through by dealing with theColumbia protestors with a heavy hand *from a war room in DC* with no attempts to deescalate or contain the protestors first. And it backfired bigly. Anyone who actual knows college kids could have told her that would happen. She massively over reacted, and there was a backlash.

There is an alternative universe where she ignored the students and dealt with any specific behaviors that were actually violent or threatening (as opposed to expressing a distasteful viewpoint or being annoying, which is the point of protest and is protected under 1A). Had professors flunk kids who didn’t show up for finals. And issued trespassing citations and cut off campus building key card access for kids who were not off campus within 24-48 hours after their last final (the rule at my kids college). And most of the kids would have dispersed before commencement.

Then she doubled down on what didn’t work yesterday, and now they took over a campus building.

It’s like she had no understanding of college kids and is a Fortune 500 CEO primarily there to make donors happy and have an occasional orchestrated photo op with students. Because that’s what she is.

I have no idea why she did not just ignore them as group until the end of the semester, discipline only bad actors, and wait for summer DP vacation, when everyone could take a breath and calm down.

Stupid. What she did was stupid. Divorced from the reality of how 18-22 year olds think annd operate. And seemed designed to cause more problems than it solved.

I agree with a lot of this. But two extra points: the place where the encampment occupied yesterday is the site of commencement, which takes weeks of preparation. Either the encampment or commencement needs to move, immediately. And also, these tent cities, these encampments, are, either unintentionally or by design, are particularly offensive the way they resemble the current, intractable, homeless tent cities occupying cities all over the country. Cities are grappling with how to properly deal with homeless tent cities amid conflicting laws, safety, compassion, and irate citizens. And now students are doing it too? They may not realize exactly how negatively tent encampments may be perceived.

Occupying the commencement location is an actual problem, and an alternative site should be provided.

Demonstrating in an offensive manner isn’t illegal and is a core tenant of 1A. I’m a lawyer, and I firmly believe in our constitutional rights— all of them— not just the ones that involve guns. In this country you get to be offensive. And after 7 year of “F—- your feelings,” I would think the right would get that. The red hat brigade is offensive and triggering to me. Does not mean they should be punished, or even removed from the restaurant, park or campus where I am. Instead, I need to act like an adult and ignore them. Pitching a temper tantrum every time I see a F—- Biden sign or red hat just plays into MAGA’s hands.

So stop being snowflakes. And ignore the protestors unless they are actually violent or threatening. Not give you the bad feels. Engaging in illegal behavior.

Is violently breaking into buildings not illegal behavior? Not allowing Jewish students to pass by to get to class is not harassment?

Please read the bolded. Yes, of course taking a building by force is violent or threatening behavior. But these protests didn’t start as violent of threatening **in most cases**. A lot of unforced errors by Columbia.

These protesters/trespassers operate with a "give an inch, take a mile" playbook. Even if Columbia had relented and agreed to "divest", they'd start demanding something else. They're only there to cause trouble, and we all see it.

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Expel these "students,"

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Anonymous wrote:Breaking: "Facilities worker says anti-Israel Columbia University agitators 'held me hostage'"

The protesters are progressively getting worse and have crossed the thin line of protesting to criminal actions.

Show us her/his interview.

Appears to be a person of color. How fitting for these brats to take him hostage.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/columbia-university-facilities-worker-speaks-terror-takeover-held-hostage

Except there is no name, no source, no footage, no police report. This is the same vile propaganda as the 40 beheaded babies.

Wow.

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Anonymous wrote:Man …the universities are way over reacting. I really do not know what the administrations are thinking or why they are so pro Israel, pro Jewish and racists.

It is time to remove college and university presidents with people who are American and not these pro Israel types.

You sound like a sicko. The protestors on these campuses - who are now breaking into building and occupying them - are not “Americans.” They are radicalized Hamas sympathizers who don’t belong in the west. We don’t want them or their extremism. Gen Z has been fed a bag of sh*t likening everything to an oppressed vs oppressors narrative.

They are fully American, many of them Jewish students and professors. Your cheap propaganda, bigotry and attempts to smear, villify and suffocate them only strengthens their cause.

You've entirely lost the plot.

+1. The PP sounds deranged. Like most of the protestors. Extremists who’ve lost their minds and universities just pandering to them.

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Derranged people are those who fund and agitate for the dropping of bunker busting bombs on babies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There aren't "dem billionares" funding this.

If there is any funding, it is coming from Tehran and Moscow.

“Jewish Left-leaning billionaire and philanthropist George Soros and associations funded by him are reportedly funding the anti-Israel protests at college campuses across the US. The protests, which started at Columbia University last week, have spread to universities and colleges across over 8 states in the US, The New York Post reported.

The cash from Soros and his associations has been key to the protests in Columbia University. At the Columbia University, three groups set up the tent city last Wednesday. These groups are Students for Justice in Palestine (SJP), Jewish Voice for Peace (JVP), and Within Our Lifetime. “

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Expel these "students,"

At this point, it’s beyond expulsion.

Criminal charges should be pressed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Breaking: "Facilities worker says anti-Israel Columbia University agitators 'held me hostage'"

The protesters are progressively getting worse and have crossed the thin line of protesting to criminal actions.

Show us her/his interview.

Appears to be a person of color. How fitting for these brats to take him hostage.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/columbia-university-facilities-worker-speaks-terror-takeover-held-hostage

Except there is no name, no source, no footage, no police report. This is the same vile propaganda as the 40 beheaded babies.

You're doing the "fake news" propaganda thing? You're a clown.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I wonder why these students weren't protesting the ethnic cleansing of Uyghurs in China? Or the thousands of children that have died of starvation in Yemen? Or the atrocities in Syria? Or the expulsion of 100,000 Armenians from Nagorno-Karabakh? Or the coup in Burkina Faso? What about the six million people that have been killed in Congo over the past twenty years? Or the collapse of Haiti?

There seems to be something particularly about Israel. I wonder what it could be.

In how many of those cases was the US providing the arms or funding the perpetrators?

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Anonymous wrote:Long story short, it is the right of American citizens to protest, if it doesn’t suit a certain narrative then it’s not their problem. If these kids want to protest, then they have every right to do so, there is a big Zionist lobby that has tried to control every opinion and aspect of this conflict since 10/7 and anyone not agreeing with Israel is promptly labeled antisemitic. Frankly, it’s nauseating.

It is their right. But their pro-Hamas protests win no hearts or minds.

The right wingers and administrators who are siccing the cops on them aren’t winning any hearts and minds either.

They are breaking the law by violently protesting, accosting police, and trespassing. Yet you think there should be no consequences? Of course you do. This is why normal, sane people think you are crazy.

This started with a bunch of dumb college kids camping in tents holding signs. The administration could have just ignored them and let them be stupid. They overreacted and made this a power game.

+1. It’s like University Presidents are CEOs with no actual understanding of college kids.

I talked to my college kid (on a so far protest free campus, thank goodness) last weekend. They were having trouble with a housemate’s behavior. And I reminded them that we weren’t in September, when a permanent solution to the behavior was needed to avoid an unpleasant school year. Instead, a light touch and keeping the peach for 10 days would get them through finals and that they weren’t scheduled to room with that person next year.

Columbia’s President kow-towed to the extreme right in Congress, because they had cancelled prior university presidents. And then followed through by dealing with theColumbia protestors with a heavy hand *from a war room in DC* with no attempts to deescalate or contain the protestors first. And it backfired bigly. Anyone who actual knows college kids could have told her that would happen. She massively over reacted, and there was a backlash.

There is an alternative universe where she ignored the students and dealt with any specific behaviors that were actually violent or threatening (as opposed to expressing a distasteful viewpoint or being annoying, which is the point of protest and is protected under 1A). Had professors flunk kids who didn’t show up for finals. And issued trespassing citations and cut off campus building key card access for kids who were not off campus within 24-48 hours after their last final (the rule at my kids college). And most of the kids would have dispersed before commencement.

Then she doubled down on what didn’t work yesterday, and now they took over a campus building.

It’s like she had no understanding of college kids and is a Fortune 500 CEO primarily there to make donors happy and have an occasional orchestrated photo op with students. Because that’s what she is.

I have no idea why she did not just ignore them as group until the end of the semester, discipline only bad actors, and wait for summer DP vacation, when everyone could take a breath and calm down.

Stupid. What she did was stupid. Divorced from the reality of how 18-22 year olds think annd operate. And seemed designed to cause more problems than it solved.

I agree with a lot of this. But two extra points: the place where the encampment occupied yesterday is the site of commencement, which takes weeks of preparation. Either the encampment or commencement needs to move, immediately. And also, these tent cities, these encampments, are, either unintentionally or by design, are particularly offensive the way they resemble the current, intractable, homeless tent cities occupying cities all over the country. Cities are grappling with how to properly deal with homeless tent cities amid conflicting laws, safety, compassion, and irate citizens. And now students are doing it too? They may not realize exactly how negatively tent encampments may be perceived.

Occupying the commencement location is an actual problem, and an alternative site should be provided.

Demonstrating in an offensive manner isn’t illegal and is a core tenant of 1A. I’m a lawyer, and I firmly believe in our constitutional rights— all of them— not just the ones that involve guns. In this country you get to be offensive. And after 7 year of “F—- your feelings,” I would think the right would get that. The red hat brigade is offensive and triggering to me. Does not mean they should be punished, or even removed from the restaurant, park or campus where I am. Instead, I need to act like an adult and ignore them. Pitching a temper tantrum every time I see a F—- Biden sign or red hat just plays into MAGA’s hands.

So stop being snowflakes. And ignore the protestors unless they are actually violent or threatening. Not give you the bad feels. Engaging in illegal behavior.

Is violently breaking into buildings not illegal behavior? Not allowing Jewish students to pass by to get to class is not harassment?

Please read the bolded. Yes, of course taking a building by force is violent or threatening behavior. But these protests didn’t start as violent of threatening **in most cases**. A lot of unforced errors by Columbia.

These protesters/trespassers operate with a "give an inch, take a mile" playbook. Even if Columbia had relented and agreed to "divest", they'd start demanding something else. They're only there to cause trouble, and we all see it.

Exactly. Their organizers are pros.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why do the far leftists on college campuses that are breaking into buildings and holding people hostage look exactly like J6 people? Two sides of the same coin.

Liberals run amok

They are following the example of maga on Jan6. Why is the right totally bought by Israel? Why does the right choose Israel over America every time?

If this were a right vs left issue, Biden wouldn’t be straddling the fence the way he is. He is trying to balance the votes of both the young pro Palestinians and the older traditionalists in his OWN party.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Breaking: "Facilities worker says anti-Israel Columbia University agitators 'held me hostage'"

The protesters are progressively getting worse and have crossed the thin line of protesting to criminal actions.

Show us her/his interview.

Appears to be a person of color. How fitting for these brats to take him hostage.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/columbia-university-facilities-worker-speaks-terror-takeover-held-hostage

Except there is no name, no source, no footage, no police report. This is the same vile propaganda as the 40 beheaded babies.

DP.

From the Columbia Spectator article:

"A Facilities worker who was in the building exited the building at around 12:40 a.m., after shouting at the protesters occupying the Hamilton lobby to let him leave. As he left Hamilton, he yelled at the crowd, 'They held me hostage.'"

https://www.columbiaspectator.com/news/2024/04/30/dozens-occupy-hamilton-hall-as-pro-palestinian-protests-spread-across-campus/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Breaking: "Facilities worker says anti-Israel Columbia University agitators 'held me hostage'"

The protesters are progressively getting worse and have crossed the thin line of protesting to criminal actions.

Show us her/his interview.

Appears to be a person of color. How fitting for these brats to take him hostage.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/columbia-university-facilities-worker-speaks-terror-takeover-held-hostage

Except there is no name, no source, no footage, no police report. This is the same vile propaganda as the 40 beheaded babies.

You're doing the "fake news" propaganda thing? You're a clown.

Ignore this troll poster.

[Anonymous]

The hatred toward these students is deranged on this thread. So many of you trapped in propaganda hell and frothing at the mouth.

Why do you get off so much on being angry and hateful?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Long story short, it is the right of American citizens to protest, if it doesn’t suit a certain narrative then it’s not their problem. If these kids want to protest, then they have every right to do so, there is a big Zionist lobby that has tried to control every opinion and aspect of this conflict since 10/7 and anyone not agreeing with Israel is promptly labeled antisemitic. Frankly, it’s nauseating.

It is their right. But their pro-Hamas protests win no hearts or minds.

The right wingers and administrators who are siccing the cops on them aren’t winning any hearts and minds either.

They are breaking the law by violently protesting, accosting police, and trespassing. Yet you think there should be no consequences? Of course you do. This is why normal, sane people think you are crazy.

This started with a bunch of dumb college kids camping in tents holding signs. The administration could have just ignored them and let them be stupid. They overreacted and made this a power game.

+1. It’s like University Presidents are CEOs with no actual understanding of college kids.

I talked to my college kid (on a so far protest free campus, thank goodness) last weekend. They were having trouble with a housemate’s behavior. And I reminded them that we weren’t in September, when a permanent solution to the behavior was needed to avoid an unpleasant school year. Instead, a light touch and keeping the peach for 10 days would get them through finals and that they weren’t scheduled to room with that person next year.

Columbia’s President kow-towed to the extreme right in Congress, because they had cancelled prior university presidents. And then followed through by dealing with theColumbia protestors with a heavy hand *from a war room in DC* with no attempts to deescalate or contain the protestors first. And it backfired bigly. Anyone who actual knows college kids could have told her that would happen. She massively over reacted, and there was a backlash.

There is an alternative universe where she ignored the students and dealt with any specific behaviors that were actually violent or threatening (as opposed to expressing a distasteful viewpoint or being annoying, which is the point of protest and is protected under 1A). Had professors flunk kids who didn’t show up for finals. And issued trespassing citations and cut off campus building key card access for kids who were not off campus within 24-48 hours after their last final (the rule at my kids college). And most of the kids would have dispersed before commencement.

Then she doubled down on what didn’t work yesterday, and now they took over a campus building.

It’s like she had no understanding of college kids and is a Fortune 500 CEO primarily there to make donors happy and have an occasional orchestrated photo op with students. Because that’s what she is.

I have no idea why she did not just ignore them as group until the end of the semester, discipline only bad actors, and wait for summer DP vacation, when everyone could take a breath and calm down.

Stupid. What she did was stupid. Divorced from the reality of how 18-22 year olds think annd operate. And seemed designed to cause more problems than it solved.

I agree with a lot of this. But two extra points: the place where the encampment occupied yesterday is the site of commencement, which takes weeks of preparation. Either the encampment or commencement needs to move, immediately. And also, these tent cities, these encampments, are, either unintentionally or by design, are particularly offensive the way they resemble the current, intractable, homeless tent cities occupying cities all over the country. Cities are grappling with how to properly deal with homeless tent cities amid conflicting laws, safety, compassion, and irate citizens. And now students are doing it too? They may not realize exactly how negatively tent encampments may be perceived.

Occupying the commencement location is an actual problem, and an alternative site should be provided.

Demonstrating in an offensive manner isn’t illegal and is a core tenant of 1A. I’m a lawyer, and I firmly believe in our constitutional rights— all of them— not just the ones that involve guns. In this country you get to be offensive. And after 7 year of “F—- your feelings,” I would think the right would get that. The red hat brigade is offensive and triggering to me. Does not mean they should be punished, or even removed from the restaurant, park or campus where I am. Instead, I need to act like an adult and ignore them. Pitching a temper tantrum every time I see a F—- Biden sign or red hat just plays into MAGA’s hands.

So stop being snowflakes. And ignore the protestors unless they are actually violent or threatening. Not give you the bad feels. Engaging in illegal behavior.

Is violently breaking into buildings not illegal behavior? Not allowing Jewish students to pass by to get to class is not harassment?

Please read the bolded. Yes, of course taking a building by force is violent or threatening behavior. But these protests didn’t start as violent of threatening **in most cases**. A lot of unforced errors by Columbia.

These protesters/trespassers operate with a "give an inch, take a mile" playbook. Even if Columbia had relented and agreed to "divest", they'd start demanding something else. They're only there to cause trouble, and we all see it.

So you think Columbia has handled this well?

[Anonymous]

Anyone remaining on Columbia’s property without permission should be immediately trespassed from the property, and if a staff or student, should be fired/expelled. Period.

They had plenty of opportunity to make their voices heard. To me this is the difference between those who attended Trump’s rally on 1/6 but then wisely left, and those who broke into the capitol.