Official Government Shutdown 2023 Thread

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m thinking minimum two week shutdown, probably closer to three. No one misses a paycheck for more than a week in that scenario. Then again. Republicans don’t know how to take a W.

Not sure how that will be a W...

[Anonymous]

There are many options on the table for the Speaker. The wingnuts will blink.

[Anonymous]

Democrats will save McCarthy

[Anonymous]

CR without the Ukraine money

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Democrats will save McCarthy

yup.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m confused. The U.S. is a center-left country. The president is a Democrat and Democrats control the Senate. Republicans barely control the House and due so only as a result of gerrymandering in some states. Republicans will certainly lose the House after the 2024 elections. What leverage do these right wingers think they have?

I have to jump in here, just to correct that center-left nomenclature. No, compared to other developed countries, US Democrats are barely centrist. US Republicans are far-right politicians, with a truly lunatic fringe that goes beyond right/left definitions. Thus the USA leans mostly right, and in many parts of the country, is extremely conservative.

- European. Most of our right-wing parties are reasonable compared to yours.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m confused. The U.S. is a center-left country. The president is a Democrat and Democrats control the Senate. Republicans barely control the House and due so only as a result of gerrymandering in some states. Republicans will certainly lose the House after the 2024 elections. What leverage do these right wingers think they have?

I have to jump in here, just to correct that center-left nomenclature. No, compared to other developed countries, US Democrats are barely centrist. US Republicans are far-right politicians, with a truly lunatic fringe that goes beyond right/left definitions. Thus the USA leans mostly right, and in many parts of the country, is extremely conservative.

- European. Most of our right-wing parties are reasonable compared to yours.

You're joking, right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m confused. The U.S. is a center-left country. The president is a Democrat and Democrats control the Senate. Republicans barely control the House and due so only as a result of gerrymandering in some states. Republicans will certainly lose the House after the 2024 elections. What leverage do these right wingers think they have?

I have to jump in here, just to correct that center-left nomenclature. No, compared to other developed countries, US Democrats are barely centrist. US Republicans are far-right politicians, with a truly lunatic fringe that goes beyond right/left definitions. Thus the USA leans mostly right, and in many parts of the country, is extremely conservative.

- European. Most of our right-wing parties are reasonable compared to yours.

Which ones? Your right wing parties in Italy, UK, and France are nuts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m confused. The U.S. is a center-left country. The president is a Democrat and Democrats control the Senate. Republicans barely control the House and due so only as a result of gerrymandering in some states. Republicans will certainly lose the House after the 2024 elections. What leverage do these right wingers think they have?

I have to jump in here, just to correct that center-left nomenclature. No, compared to other developed countries, US Democrats are barely centrist. US Republicans are far-right politicians, with a truly lunatic fringe that goes beyond right/left definitions. Thus the USA leans mostly right, and in many parts of the country, is extremely conservative.

- European. Most of our right-wing parties are reasonable compared to yours.

You are wrong.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m thinking minimum two week shutdown, probably closer to three. No one misses a paycheck for more than a week in that scenario. Then again. Republicans don’t know how to take a W.

Not sure how that will be a W...

Shutting government down, to win optics for the base, with minimal pain to employees, is a win. A two week shutdown would be annoying but not painful.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m confused. The U.S. is a center-left country. The president is a Democrat and Democrats control the Senate. Republicans barely control the House and due so only as a result of gerrymandering in some states. Republicans will certainly lose the House after the 2024 elections. What leverage do these right wingers think they have?

I have to jump in here, just to correct that center-left nomenclature. No, compared to other developed countries, US Democrats are barely centrist. US Republicans are far-right politicians, with a truly lunatic fringe that goes beyond right/left definitions. Thus the USA leans mostly right, and in many parts of the country, is extremely conservative.

- European. Most of our right-wing parties are reasonable compared to yours.

What the PP meant (quite obviously, I thought), is that wherever the middle is in the US, the majority of the country (or the largest block of voters) is center left. Not sure I agree with that, but that's beside the point. That's (again, quite obviously) the relevant point here here - how the US compares to any given European country is completely irrelevant.

Also, as others PPs have said, LOL at the notion that European right wing parties are within shouting distance of "reasonable."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m confused. The U.S. is a center-left country. The president is a Democrat and Democrats control the Senate. Republicans barely control the House and due so only as a result of gerrymandering in some states. Republicans will certainly lose the House after the 2024 elections. What leverage do these right wingers think they have?

I have to jump in here, just to correct that center-left nomenclature. No, compared to other developed countries, US Democrats are barely centrist. US Republicans are far-right politicians, with a truly lunatic fringe that goes beyond right/left definitions. Thus the USA leans mostly right, and in many parts of the country, is extremely conservative.

- European. Most of our right-wing parties are reasonable compared to yours.

Like Marine Le Pen?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m confused. The U.S. is a center-left country. The president is a Democrat and Democrats control the Senate. Republicans barely control the House and due so only as a result of gerrymandering in some states. Republicans will certainly lose the House after the 2024 elections. What leverage do these right wingers think they have?

I have to jump in here, just to correct that center-left nomenclature. No, compared to other developed countries, US Democrats are barely centrist. US Republicans are far-right politicians, with a truly lunatic fringe that goes beyond right/left definitions. Thus the USA leans mostly right, and in many parts of the country, is extremely conservative.

- European. Most of our right-wing parties are reasonable compared to yours.

What the PP meant (quite obviously, I thought), is that wherever the middle is in the US, the majority of the country (or the largest block of voters) is center left. Not sure I agree with that, but that's beside the point. That's (again, quite obviously) the relevant point here here - how the US compares to any given European country is completely irrelevant.

Also, as others PPs have said, LOL at the notion that European right wing parties are within shouting distance of "reasonable."

I’m not sure it can be characterized as anything other than center-left.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:CR without the Ukraine money

Or disaster relief, unfortunately. Hopefully that gets thru later.

But does this mean we're having the same thread in 60 days?

[Anonymous]

the fact that military will not get paid will end this shutdown by October 15th.