If Jesus wasn’t a real historical figure, where did Christian theology come from?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There is zero evidence of his divinity.

There is some evidence that he may have existed in history.

Moving the goal posts again? Now we have to prove he is divine? What does that have to do with his existence?

Chill TF down. No one asked you to prove his divinity.

I was just commenting on the prior posts about divinity & historicity.

Historicity - of anyone --can be proved by checking the historical record. Proving divinity is impossible via historical records. Belief in divinity only comes via faith.

Yup. There is zero evidence of his divinity. (or anyone's)

For those that believe the gospels were ultimately based on reliable accounts (Q or quelle traditions), the story of resurrection is convincing.

resurrection is physically impossible. Belief in that is totally a matter of faith.

It actually seems somewhat insulting to religion to depend on an ancient account to back up your faith. This implies that without these "reliable accounts" you wouldn't believe.

DO you have a reliable account of the ascension? Are you waiting for one before you will believe that Jesus ascended into heaven and sits at the right hand of God?

+1

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is zero evidence of his divinity.

There is some evidence that he may have existed in history.

Moving the goal posts again? Now we have to prove he is divine? What does that have to do with his existence?

Chill TF down. No one asked you to prove his divinity.

I was just commenting on the prior posts about divinity & historicity.

Historicity - of anyone --can be proved by checking the historical record. Proving divinity is impossible via historical records. Belief in divinity only comes via faith.

Yup. There is zero evidence of his divinity. (or anyone's)

For those that believe the gospels were ultimately based on reliable accounts (Q or quelle traditions), the story of resurrection is convincing.

resurrection is physically impossible. Belief in that is totally a matter of faith.

It actually seems somewhat insulting to religion to depend on an ancient account to back up your faith. This implies that without these "reliable accounts" you wouldn't believe.

DO you have a reliable account of the ascension? Are you waiting for one before you will believe that Jesus ascended into heaven and sits at the right hand of God?

Keep posting, honey. The rest of us will keep wiping your spittle off our screens.

DP here. Your substance free ad-hominem is a clear indication you have no substantive response whatsoever. This is noted.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is zero evidence of his divinity.

There is some evidence that he may have existed in history.

Moving the goal posts again? Now we have to prove he is divine? What does that have to do with his existence?

Chill TF down. No one asked you to prove his divinity.

I was just commenting on the prior posts about divinity & historicity.

Historicity - of anyone --can be proved by checking the historical record. Proving divinity is impossible via historical records. Belief in divinity only comes via faith.

Yup. There is zero evidence of his divinity. (or anyone's)

For those that believe the gospels were ultimately based on reliable accounts (Q or quelle traditions), the story of resurrection is convincing.

resurrection is physically impossible. Belief in that is totally a matter of faith.

It actually seems somewhat insulting to religion to depend on an ancient account to back up your faith. This implies that without these "reliable accounts" you wouldn't believe.

DO you have a reliable account of the ascension? Are you waiting for one before you will believe that Jesus ascended into heaven and sits at the right hand of God?

Keep posting, honey. The rest of us will keep wiping your spittle off our screens.

DP here. Your substance free ad-hominem is a clear indication you have no substantive response whatsoever. This is noted.

+1

[Anonymous]

LOL at 9/13 15:35 petulantly demanding “please respond” to her post asking Christians to trash all the other religions. You can almost hear her foot stomping.

Not going to happen. Although undoubtedly 15:35 would love to see people of faith attacking each others’ religions.

That pp also clearly misses the whole point of faith, which is that after a baseline of evidence, people go with the religion that makes the most theological/philosophical sense to them.

Sorry you wasted an hour of your life putting that together, 15:35.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:LOL at 9/13 15:35 petulantly demanding “please respond” to her post asking Christians to trash all the other religions. You can almost hear her foot stomping.

Not going to happen. Although undoubtedly 15:35 would love to see people of faith attacking each others’ religions.

That pp also clearly misses the whole point of faith, which is that after a baseline of evidence, people go with the religion that makes the most theological/philosophical sense to them.

Sorry you wasted an hour of your life putting that together, 15:35.

I don't see a post at 15:35. Do you mean 15:45?

If so, then what you are saying is you decide that faith is necessary and then just pick a belief system? Fine, but then don't say the one you picked is right over others. Because by your standard, then they are all somehow right even though they make different claims, rendering any of them irrelevant as literal truth.

So you are validating the exact point of 15:45. Great. And thanks for responding to the "please respond" request. Your post was exactly what I had hoped for.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:LOL at 9/13 15:35 petulantly demanding “please respond” to her post asking Christians to trash all the other religions. You can almost hear her foot stomping.

Not going to happen. Although undoubtedly 15:35 would love to see people of faith attacking each others’ religions.

That pp also clearly misses the whole point of faith, which is that after a baseline of evidence, people go with the religion that makes the most theological/philosophical sense to them.

Sorry you wasted an hour of your life putting that together, 15:35.

“Petulantly”? How do you get that from the simple, calm post?

How many religions did you explore before you decided on yours? What did you think about the philosophy/theology of the religions you didn’t pick and how to do they compare?

What specific “baseline of evidence” informed your decision to pick your religion?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:LOL at 9/13 15:35 petulantly demanding “please respond” to her post asking Christians to trash all the other religions. You can almost hear her foot stomping.

Not going to happen. Although undoubtedly 15:35 would love to see people of faith attacking each others’ religions.

That pp also clearly misses the whole point of faith, which is that after a baseline of evidence, people go with the religion that makes the most theological/philosophical sense to them.

Sorry you wasted an hour of your life putting that together, 15:35.

“Petulantly”? How do you get that from the simple, calm post?

How many religions did you explore before you decided on yours? What did you think about the philosophy/theology of the religions you didn’t pick and how to do they compare?

What specific “baseline of evidence” informed your decision to pick your religion?

why do you care about why/how someone else chooses to worship?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:LOL at 9/13 15:35 petulantly demanding “please respond” to her post asking Christians to trash all the other religions. You can almost hear her foot stomping.

Not going to happen. Although undoubtedly 15:35 would love to see people of faith attacking each others’ religions.

That pp also clearly misses the whole point of faith, which is that after a baseline of evidence, people go with the religion that makes the most theological/philosophical sense to them.

Sorry you wasted an hour of your life putting that together, 15:35.

“Petulantly”? How do you get that from the simple, calm post?

How many religions did you explore before you decided on yours? What did you think about the philosophy/theology of the religions you didn’t pick and how to do they compare?

What specific “baseline of evidence” informed your decision to pick your religion?

why do you care about why/how someone else chooses to worship?

I don’t care how people worship but I’m curious about PP’s path after she shared:
“after a baseline of evidence, people go with the religion that makes the most theological/philosophical sense to them.”

I’ve never heard that approach before so I’d love more details about how she picked her religion.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:LOL at 9/13 15:35 petulantly demanding “please respond” to her post asking Christians to trash all the other religions. You can almost hear her foot stomping.

Not going to happen. Although undoubtedly 15:35 would love to see people of faith attacking each others’ religions.

That pp also clearly misses the whole point of faith, which is that after a baseline of evidence, people go with the religion that makes the most theological/philosophical sense to them.

Sorry you wasted an hour of your life putting that together, 15:35.

“Petulantly”? How do you get that from the simple, calm post?

How many religions did you explore before you decided on yours? What did you think about the philosophy/theology of the religions you didn’t pick and how to do they compare?

What specific “baseline of evidence” informed your decision to pick your religion

DP -- Initially, I didn't explore any religions, but was raised in my parents' religion.

Over time, I rejected it and, for a while, was affiliated with another similar, but less strict Christian denomination.

Later, I became non-religious.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:LOL at 9/13 15:35 petulantly demanding “please respond” to her post asking Christians to trash all the other religions. You can almost hear her foot stomping.

Not going to happen. Although undoubtedly 15:35 would love to see people of faith attacking each others’ religions.

That pp also clearly misses the whole point of faith, which is that after a baseline of evidence, people go with the religion that makes the most theological/philosophical sense to them.

Sorry you wasted an hour of your life putting that together, 15:35.

“Petulantly”? How do you get that from the simple, calm post?

How many religions did you explore before you decided on yours? What did you think about the philosophy/theology of the religions you didn’t pick and how to do they compare?

What specific “baseline of evidence” informed your decision to pick your religion?

why do you care about why/how someone else chooses to worship?

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:LOL at 9/13 15:35 petulantly demanding “please respond” to her post asking Christians to trash all the other religions. You can almost hear her foot stomping.

Not going to happen. Although undoubtedly 15:35 would love to see people of faith attacking each others’ religions.

That pp also clearly misses the whole point of faith, which is that after a baseline of evidence, people go with the religion that makes the most theological/philosophical sense to them.

Sorry you wasted an hour of your life putting that together, 15:35.

“Petulantly”? How do you get that from the simple, calm post?

How many religions did you explore before you decided on yours? What did you think about the philosophy/theology of the religions you didn’t pick and how to do they compare?

What specific “baseline of evidence” informed your decision to pick your religion?

why do you care about why/how someone else chooses to worship?

+1

I don’t. The specific religion doesn’t matter. We were talking about the discovery/decision process.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:LOL at 9/13 15:35 petulantly demanding “please respond” to her post asking Christians to trash all the other religions. You can almost hear her foot stomping.

Not going to happen. Although undoubtedly 15:35 would love to see people of faith attacking each others’ religions.

That pp also clearly misses the whole point of faith, which is that after a baseline of evidence, people go with the religion that makes the most theological/philosophical sense to them.

Sorry you wasted an hour of your life putting that together, 15:35.

“Petulantly”? How do you get that from the simple, calm post?

How many religions did you explore before you decided on yours? What did you think about the philosophy/theology of the religions you didn’t pick and how to do they compare?

What specific “baseline of evidence” informed your decision to pick your religion?

why do you care about why/how someone else chooses to worship?

DP - why do you care why they care?

Are you immune to irony?

[Anonymous]

Let this thread die and NOT be resurrected.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Let this thread die and NOT be resurrected.

+100. OP’s original premise, that Jesus existed and there was some cabal who made him up, has been soundly debunked. OP may even have been posting ironically to show how ludicrous that proposition is. LOL at all the atheist bigots demanding people justify their faith by proving divinity or denigrating other faiths, but no sane poster would engage with that and it’s a total derailment anyway. Die, thread, die.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Let this thread die and NOT be resurrected.

+100. OP’s original premise, that Jesus existed and there was some cabal who made him up, has been soundly debunked. OP may even have been posting ironically to show how ludicrous that proposition is. LOL at all the atheist bigots demanding people justify their faith by proving divinity or denigrating other faiths, but no sane poster would engage with that and it’s a total derailment anyway. Die, thread, die.

Read again. No one asked anyone to “denigrate” other religions.

The request was to expand upon this statement:
“after a baseline of evidence, people go with the religion that makes the most theological/philosophical sense to them.”

What is the process you used to select your own religion over others?