Looks like a new Gaza war has started

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Why is Israel committing war crimes? Hamas' committing of war crimes does not absolve Israel from the Geneva Convention and other applications of just war. Israel is striking hospitals now. And for all those saying Hamas is embedded in hospitals--that does not justify the bombing of a hospital or a school.

Israel is going to lose whatever moral high ground it had. Ugh. I hate seeing this downward spiral.

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jsteele wrote:Israel appears to have committed an atrocity by bombing a hospital in Gaza:

I am sick to my stomach. A hospital. They bombed a hospital with patients, drs, nurses, support staff.

Any support that I may have had for Israel's right to defend itself has completely disappeared. Complete and utter monsters.

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jsteele wrote:Israel appears to have committed an atrocity by bombing a hospital in Gaza:

I guess they wanted to just kill Palestinians, just like the paratroopers at the music festival

This will not end well, for either side.

One side was dancing and enjoying life. The other side had terrorists using them as human shields.

One side never had the opportunity to really dance and enjoy life. You’re just so damned ugly. How would you feel as a Palestinian teen living your entire life in a fairly dire circumstances, living the reality that a settler or IDF soldier could quite literally do whatever they wanted to you and your family with zero consequence?

When you make those sorts of smugly superior “comparisons,” you’re really just ensuring that this never ends. Young Israelis have opportunities young Palestinians in the West Bank even cannot begin to fathom. When you sneer at all Palestinians, which is very much what you’re doing, you prove this can never be resolved. That can’t make Israelis safer.

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Anonymous wrote:Hamas is not the Palestinian people. Why do people keep identifying Hamas with all who live on Gaza? Yes they are there, yes they are Arab/Palestinian. No they are not 100% of the population living on Gaza and you can condemn Hamas without suggesting all Palestinians are barbarians. Why is this such a problem for Jewish people? I mean I condemn the Hamas attacks. I do not support Israel's right to kill everyone on Gaza which is essentially what they are doing. Allies of Israel claim it's not but look at what's happening. It sure is. You are killing everyone there which amounts to killing all Palestinians, Hamas or not. It is every bit as tragic as Hamas killing innocents because Israel is knowingly killing innocents as well. You just can't say well we want to kill Hamas so it makes killing innocent people OK. It's not. It's never OK. EVER. To do it accidentally or because there's no way around it is different than simply dropping bombs to wipe out as many as you can at once. You really think this is about Hamas? It's about wiping the Palestinian people off the face of the earth. It's sick. As sick as Hamas.

Your point seems to be that Israel defending itself is sick.

The point is that war crimes are sick, even when Israel is the perpetrator.

The point seems to be that anything Israel does to defend itself is a “war crime.”

So Israel is allowed to do anything it wants in defense of it's security? I'm sure you'd be applauding if Israel nuked Gaza, which is what they seem to be doing in small doses. It's like you and the pro-Israel people have blinders one. Nothing Israel does is wrong. God's chosen people are infallible. Everything they do is justified, including killing and stealing land from West Bank Palestinians. Israel's murder of 13,000 Palestinians is viewed as negligible and inconsequential compared to Hamas' murder of 1,400 Israelis.

+1. Israel suffered a terrorist attack. It was brutal and very sad, and I am so sorry for the families and people affected. Obviously they didn’t deserve what happened to them.

That said, the Israeli government’s plan to essentially carpet-bomb Gaza and withhold basic supplies like food, water, and power from the entire strip, is a war crime against the civilian population. They and everyone else know that this plan is going to indiscriminately kill Palestinian civilians (who are not Hamas). And their warnings to civilians to evacuate the northern part of the strip are pretty hollow. There are civilians there who cannot evacuate, as the UN pointed out. And there’s nowhere to go. They’re still bombing the southern part.

War crimes aren’t permissible just because it’s “self-defense” and it’s totally disingenuous to say that it’s antisemitic to point that out. Israel doesn’t get a pass on that because they suffered a terrorist attack.

So, if you agree that Hamas is a terrorist entity guilty of war crimes that does not serve the Palestinian people, what should Israel do?

Not commit additional war crimes in its response? Why is this controversial?

Now y’all want mercy? (NP)

No, we want Israel to not indiscriminately kill civilians in Gaza. Why do you think this is permissible?

They are not indiscriminately killing civilians.
As you know by now, Hamas operates from civilian locations. In order to take out these brutal terrorists, some civilians are going to perish as well. Such as this attack:

Wouldn't it be nice if Hamas followed the rules of war and didn't imbed themselves in civilian locations?

The idiots think that there are cartoon missiles that have faces and know exactly who to attack

Then quite obviously missiles aren't the appropriate weapon for attacking an area that is densely populated with civilians, if they don't "know exactly who to attack." If random people on DCUM know that, then the Israeli government definitely does. So their choice to use them anyway constitutes the indiscriminate killing of civilians. Which is a war crime.

Then I assume you support a ground invasion.

Sure (an IDF ground invasion; I will not support U.S. troops getting involved), as long as there are safe zones and humanitarian aid (and possibly evacuation corridors, though I understand how that is a difficult ask) provided to civilians, which isn't happening now. Israel has a moral and legal obligation to wage war against Hamas in a manner that is sincerely designed to minimize civilian casualties and suffering. That's not what they're doing. The government seems to believe that the two million civilians in Gaza, the majority of whom are innocent, are acceptable collateral damage for wiping out Hamas. I fundamentally disagree with that premise.

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Anonymous wrote:Hamas is not the Palestinian people. Why do people keep identifying Hamas with all who live on Gaza? Yes they are there, yes they are Arab/Palestinian. No they are not 100% of the population living on Gaza and you can condemn Hamas without suggesting all Palestinians are barbarians. Why is this such a problem for Jewish people? I mean I condemn the Hamas attacks. I do not support Israel's right to kill everyone on Gaza which is essentially what they are doing. Allies of Israel claim it's not but look at what's happening. It sure is. You are killing everyone there which amounts to killing all Palestinians, Hamas or not. It is every bit as tragic as Hamas killing innocents because Israel is knowingly killing innocents as well. You just can't say well we want to kill Hamas so it makes killing innocent people OK. It's not. It's never OK. EVER. To do it accidentally or because there's no way around it is different than simply dropping bombs to wipe out as many as you can at once. You really think this is about Hamas? It's about wiping the Palestinian people off the face of the earth. It's sick. As sick as Hamas.

Your point seems to be that Israel defending itself is sick.

The point is that war crimes are sick, even when Israel is the perpetrator.

The point seems to be that anything Israel does to defend itself is a “war crime.”

So Israel is allowed to do anything it wants in defense of it's security? I'm sure you'd be applauding if Israel nuked Gaza, which is what they seem to be doing in small doses. It's like you and the pro-Israel people have blinders one. Nothing Israel does is wrong. God's chosen people are infallible. Everything they do is justified, including killing and stealing land from West Bank Palestinians. Israel's murder of 13,000 Palestinians is viewed as negligible and inconsequential compared to Hamas' murder of 1,400 Israelis.

+1. Israel suffered a terrorist attack. It was brutal and very sad, and I am so sorry for the families and people affected. Obviously they didn’t deserve what happened to them.

That said, the Israeli government’s plan to essentially carpet-bomb Gaza and withhold basic supplies like food, water, and power from the entire strip, is a war crime against the civilian population. They and everyone else know that this plan is going to indiscriminately kill Palestinian civilians (who are not Hamas). And their warnings to civilians to evacuate the northern part of the strip are pretty hollow. There are civilians there who cannot evacuate, as the UN pointed out. And there’s nowhere to go. They’re still bombing the southern part.

War crimes aren’t permissible just because it’s “self-defense” and it’s totally disingenuous to say that it’s antisemitic to point that out. Israel doesn’t get a pass on that because they suffered a terrorist attack.

So, if you agree that Hamas is a terrorist entity guilty of war crimes that does not serve the Palestinian people, what should Israel do?

Not commit additional war crimes in its response? Why is this controversial?

Now y’all want mercy? (NP)

No, we want Israel to not indiscriminately kill civilians in Gaza. Why do you think this is permissible?

They are not indiscriminately killing civilians.
As you know by now, Hamas operates from civilian locations. In order to take out these brutal terrorists, some civilians are going to perish as well. Such as this attack:

Wouldn't it be nice if Hamas followed the rules of war and didn't imbed themselves in civilian locations?

The idiots think that there are cartoon missiles that have faces and know exactly who to attack

Then quite obviously missiles aren't the appropriate weapon for attacking an area that is densely populated with civilians, if they don't "know exactly who to attack." If random people on DCUM know that, then the Israeli government definitely does. So their choice to use them anyway constitutes the indiscriminate killing of civilians. Which is a war crime.

Then I assume you support a ground invasion.

Sure (an IDF ground invasion; I will not support U.S. troops getting involved), as long as there are safe zones and humanitarian aid (and possibly evacuation corridors, though I understand how that is a difficult ask) provided to civilians, which isn't happening now. Israel has a moral and legal obligation to wage war against Hamas in a manner that is sincerely designed to minimize civilian casualties and suffering. That's not what they're doing. The government seems to believe that the two million civilians in Gaza, the majority of whom are innocent, are acceptable collateral damage for wiping out Hamas. I fundamentally disagree with that premise.

Humanitarian corridors require Egyptian approval, which Egypt isn’t providing.

There is little evidence Israel considers 2 million Gazans to be acceptable collateral damage. If they did, they would have invaded days ago.

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Anonymous wrote:Hamas is not the Palestinian people. Why do people keep identifying Hamas with all who live on Gaza? Yes they are there, yes they are Arab/Palestinian. No they are not 100% of the population living on Gaza and you can condemn Hamas without suggesting all Palestinians are barbarians. Why is this such a problem for Jewish people? I mean I condemn the Hamas attacks. I do not support Israel's right to kill everyone on Gaza which is essentially what they are doing. Allies of Israel claim it's not but look at what's happening. It sure is. You are killing everyone there which amounts to killing all Palestinians, Hamas or not. It is every bit as tragic as Hamas killing innocents because Israel is knowingly killing innocents as well. You just can't say well we want to kill Hamas so it makes killing innocent people OK. It's not. It's never OK. EVER. To do it accidentally or because there's no way around it is different than simply dropping bombs to wipe out as many as you can at once. You really think this is about Hamas? It's about wiping the Palestinian people off the face of the earth. It's sick. As sick as Hamas.

Your point seems to be that Israel defending itself is sick.

The point is that war crimes are sick, even when Israel is the perpetrator.

The point seems to be that anything Israel does to defend itself is a “war crime.”

So Israel is allowed to do anything it wants in defense of it's security? I'm sure you'd be applauding if Israel nuked Gaza, which is what they seem to be doing in small doses. It's like you and the pro-Israel people have blinders one. Nothing Israel does is wrong. God's chosen people are infallible. Everything they do is justified, including killing and stealing land from West Bank Palestinians. Israel's murder of 13,000 Palestinians is viewed as negligible and inconsequential compared to Hamas' murder of 1,400 Israelis.

+1. Israel suffered a terrorist attack. It was brutal and very sad, and I am so sorry for the families and people affected. Obviously they didn’t deserve what happened to them.

That said, the Israeli government’s plan to essentially carpet-bomb Gaza and withhold basic supplies like food, water, and power from the entire strip, is a war crime against the civilian population. They and everyone else know that this plan is going to indiscriminately kill Palestinian civilians (who are not Hamas). And their warnings to civilians to evacuate the northern part of the strip are pretty hollow. There are civilians there who cannot evacuate, as the UN pointed out. And there’s nowhere to go. They’re still bombing the southern part.

War crimes aren’t permissible just because it’s “self-defense” and it’s totally disingenuous to say that it’s antisemitic to point that out. Israel doesn’t get a pass on that because they suffered a terrorist attack.

So, if you agree that Hamas is a terrorist entity guilty of war crimes that does not serve the Palestinian people, what should Israel do?

Not commit additional war crimes in its response? Why is this controversial?

Now y’all want mercy? (NP)

No, we want Israel to not indiscriminately kill civilians in Gaza. Why do you think this is permissible?

They are not indiscriminately killing civilians.
As you know by now, Hamas operates from civilian locations. In order to take out these brutal terrorists, some civilians are going to perish as well. Such as this attack:

Wouldn't it be nice if Hamas followed the rules of war and didn't imbed themselves in civilian locations?

The idiots think that there are cartoon missiles that have faces and know exactly who to attack

Then quite obviously missiles aren't the appropriate weapon for attacking an area that is densely populated with civilians, if they don't "know exactly who to attack." If random people on DCUM know that, then the Israeli government definitely does. So their choice to use them anyway constitutes the indiscriminate killing of civilians. Which is a war crime.

Then I assume you support a ground invasion.

Sure (an IDF ground invasion; I will not support U.S. troops getting involved), as long as there are safe zones and humanitarian aid (and possibly evacuation corridors, though I understand how that is a difficult ask) provided to civilians, which isn't happening now. Israel has a moral and legal obligation to wage war against Hamas in a manner that is sincerely designed to minimize civilian casualties and suffering. That's not what they're doing. The government seems to believe that the two million civilians in Gaza, the majority of whom are innocent, are acceptable collateral damage for wiping out Hamas. I fundamentally disagree with that premise.

Humanitarian corridors require Egyptian approval, which Egypt isn’t providing.

There is little evidence Israel considers 2 million Gazans to be acceptable collateral damage. If they did, they would have invaded days ago.

Your comment about Egypt is false. Egypt has been saying for several days that it is amassing humanitarian aid convoys on its side of the border for immediate passage to Gaza, but that for security reasons it has not been possible to send them through. One main reason is that the IDF is regularly bombing the Egypt/Gaza border facility and the immediate vicinity. This is also preventing dual citizens and foreign nationals from evacuating. Why do you think the IDF is doing this?

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Anonymous wrote:Hamas is not the Palestinian people. Why do people keep identifying Hamas with all who live on Gaza? Yes they are there, yes they are Arab/Palestinian. No they are not 100% of the population living on Gaza and you can condemn Hamas without suggesting all Palestinians are barbarians. Why is this such a problem for Jewish people? I mean I condemn the Hamas attacks. I do not support Israel's right to kill everyone on Gaza which is essentially what they are doing. Allies of Israel claim it's not but look at what's happening. It sure is. You are killing everyone there which amounts to killing all Palestinians, Hamas or not. It is every bit as tragic as Hamas killing innocents because Israel is knowingly killing innocents as well. You just can't say well we want to kill Hamas so it makes killing innocent people OK. It's not. It's never OK. EVER. To do it accidentally or because there's no way around it is different than simply dropping bombs to wipe out as many as you can at once. You really think this is about Hamas? It's about wiping the Palestinian people off the face of the earth. It's sick. As sick as Hamas.

Your point seems to be that Israel defending itself is sick.

The point is that war crimes are sick, even when Israel is the perpetrator.

The point seems to be that anything Israel does to defend itself is a “war crime.”

So Israel is allowed to do anything it wants in defense of it's security? I'm sure you'd be applauding if Israel nuked Gaza, which is what they seem to be doing in small doses. It's like you and the pro-Israel people have blinders one. Nothing Israel does is wrong. God's chosen people are infallible. Everything they do is justified, including killing and stealing land from West Bank Palestinians. Israel's murder of 13,000 Palestinians is viewed as negligible and inconsequential compared to Hamas' murder of 1,400 Israelis.

+1. Israel suffered a terrorist attack. It was brutal and very sad, and I am so sorry for the families and people affected. Obviously they didn’t deserve what happened to them.

That said, the Israeli government’s plan to essentially carpet-bomb Gaza and withhold basic supplies like food, water, and power from the entire strip, is a war crime against the civilian population. They and everyone else know that this plan is going to indiscriminately kill Palestinian civilians (who are not Hamas). And their warnings to civilians to evacuate the northern part of the strip are pretty hollow. There are civilians there who cannot evacuate, as the UN pointed out. And there’s nowhere to go. They’re still bombing the southern part.

War crimes aren’t permissible just because it’s “self-defense” and it’s totally disingenuous to say that it’s antisemitic to point that out. Israel doesn’t get a pass on that because they suffered a terrorist attack.

So, if you agree that Hamas is a terrorist entity guilty of war crimes that does not serve the Palestinian people, what should Israel do?

Not commit additional war crimes in its response? Why is this controversial?

Now y’all want mercy? (NP)

No, we want Israel to not indiscriminately kill civilians in Gaza. Why do you think this is permissible?

They are not indiscriminately killing civilians.
As you know by now, Hamas operates from civilian locations. In order to take out these brutal terrorists, some civilians are going to perish as well. Such as this attack:

Wouldn't it be nice if Hamas followed the rules of war and didn't imbed themselves in civilian locations?

The idiots think that there are cartoon missiles that have faces and know exactly who to attack

Then quite obviously missiles aren't the appropriate weapon for attacking an area that is densely populated with civilians, if they don't "know exactly who to attack." If random people on DCUM know that, then the Israeli government definitely does. So their choice to use them anyway constitutes the indiscriminate killing of civilians. Which is a war crime.

Then I assume you support a ground invasion.

Sure (an IDF ground invasion; I will not support U.S. troops getting involved), as long as there are safe zones and humanitarian aid (and possibly evacuation corridors, though I understand how that is a difficult ask) provided to civilians, which isn't happening now. Israel has a moral and legal obligation to wage war against Hamas in a manner that is sincerely designed to minimize civilian casualties and suffering. That's not what they're doing. The government seems to believe that the two million civilians in Gaza, the majority of whom are innocent, are acceptable collateral damage for wiping out Hamas. I fundamentally disagree with that premise.

Humanitarian corridors require Egyptian approval, which Egypt isn’t providing.

There is little evidence Israel considers 2 million Gazans to be acceptable collateral damage. If they did, they would have invaded days ago.

No Israel can open humanitarian corridors.

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Anonymous wrote:Hamas is not the Palestinian people. Why do people keep identifying Hamas with all who live on Gaza? Yes they are there, yes they are Arab/Palestinian. No they are not 100% of the population living on Gaza and you can condemn Hamas without suggesting all Palestinians are barbarians. Why is this such a problem for Jewish people? I mean I condemn the Hamas attacks. I do not support Israel's right to kill everyone on Gaza which is essentially what they are doing. Allies of Israel claim it's not but look at what's happening. It sure is. You are killing everyone there which amounts to killing all Palestinians, Hamas or not. It is every bit as tragic as Hamas killing innocents because Israel is knowingly killing innocents as well. You just can't say well we want to kill Hamas so it makes killing innocent people OK. It's not. It's never OK. EVER. To do it accidentally or because there's no way around it is different than simply dropping bombs to wipe out as many as you can at once. You really think this is about Hamas? It's about wiping the Palestinian people off the face of the earth. It's sick. As sick as Hamas.

Your point seems to be that Israel defending itself is sick.

The point is that war crimes are sick, even when Israel is the perpetrator.

The point seems to be that anything Israel does to defend itself is a “war crime.”

So Israel is allowed to do anything it wants in defense of it's security? I'm sure you'd be applauding if Israel nuked Gaza, which is what they seem to be doing in small doses. It's like you and the pro-Israel people have blinders one. Nothing Israel does is wrong. God's chosen people are infallible. Everything they do is justified, including killing and stealing land from West Bank Palestinians. Israel's murder of 13,000 Palestinians is viewed as negligible and inconsequential compared to Hamas' murder of 1,400 Israelis.

+1. Israel suffered a terrorist attack. It was brutal and very sad, and I am so sorry for the families and people affected. Obviously they didn’t deserve what happened to them.

That said, the Israeli government’s plan to essentially carpet-bomb Gaza and withhold basic supplies like food, water, and power from the entire strip, is a war crime against the civilian population. They and everyone else know that this plan is going to indiscriminately kill Palestinian civilians (who are not Hamas). And their warnings to civilians to evacuate the northern part of the strip are pretty hollow. There are civilians there who cannot evacuate, as the UN pointed out. And there’s nowhere to go. They’re still bombing the southern part.

War crimes aren’t permissible just because it’s “self-defense” and it’s totally disingenuous to say that it’s antisemitic to point that out. Israel doesn’t get a pass on that because they suffered a terrorist attack.

So, if you agree that Hamas is a terrorist entity guilty of war crimes that does not serve the Palestinian people, what should Israel do?

Not commit additional war crimes in its response? Why is this controversial?

Now y’all want mercy? (NP)

No, we want Israel to not indiscriminately kill civilians in Gaza. Why do you think this is permissible?

They are not indiscriminately killing civilians.
As you know by now, Hamas operates from civilian locations. In order to take out these brutal terrorists, some civilians are going to perish as well. Such as this attack:

Wouldn't it be nice if Hamas followed the rules of war and didn't imbed themselves in civilian locations?

The idiots think that there are cartoon missiles that have faces and know exactly who to attack

Then quite obviously missiles aren't the appropriate weapon for attacking an area that is densely populated with civilians, if they don't "know exactly who to attack." If random people on DCUM know that, then the Israeli government definitely does. So their choice to use them anyway constitutes the indiscriminate killing of civilians. Which is a war crime.

Then I assume you support a ground invasion.

Sure (an IDF ground invasion; I will not support U.S. troops getting involved), as long as there are safe zones and humanitarian aid (and possibly evacuation corridors, though I understand how that is a difficult ask) provided to civilians, which isn't happening now. Israel has a moral and legal obligation to wage war against Hamas in a manner that is sincerely designed to minimize civilian casualties and suffering. That's not what they're doing. The government seems to believe that the two million civilians in Gaza, the majority of whom are innocent, are acceptable collateral damage for wiping out Hamas. I fundamentally disagree with that premise.

Humanitarian corridors require Egyptian approval, which Egypt isn’t providing.

There is little evidence Israel considers 2 million Gazans to be acceptable collateral damage. If they did, they would have invaded days ago.

No Israel can open humanitarian corridors.

Where? Into Israel itself, which would inevitably lead to Hamas fighters entering the country?

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If you are gonna defeat Hamas, it’s gonna be Hamas rules. They think that Israel is unwilling to do that, but I think they pushed it too far.

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Anonymous wrote:Hamas is not the Palestinian people. Why do people keep identifying Hamas with all who live on Gaza? Yes they are there, yes they are Arab/Palestinian. No they are not 100% of the population living on Gaza and you can condemn Hamas without suggesting all Palestinians are barbarians. Why is this such a problem for Jewish people? I mean I condemn the Hamas attacks. I do not support Israel's right to kill everyone on Gaza which is essentially what they are doing. Allies of Israel claim it's not but look at what's happening. It sure is. You are killing everyone there which amounts to killing all Palestinians, Hamas or not. It is every bit as tragic as Hamas killing innocents because Israel is knowingly killing innocents as well. You just can't say well we want to kill Hamas so it makes killing innocent people OK. It's not. It's never OK. EVER. To do it accidentally or because there's no way around it is different than simply dropping bombs to wipe out as many as you can at once. You really think this is about Hamas? It's about wiping the Palestinian people off the face of the earth. It's sick. As sick as Hamas.

Your point seems to be that Israel defending itself is sick.

The point is that war crimes are sick, even when Israel is the perpetrator.

The point seems to be that anything Israel does to defend itself is a “war crime.”

So Israel is allowed to do anything it wants in defense of it's security? I'm sure you'd be applauding if Israel nuked Gaza, which is what they seem to be doing in small doses. It's like you and the pro-Israel people have blinders one. Nothing Israel does is wrong. God's chosen people are infallible. Everything they do is justified, including killing and stealing land from West Bank Palestinians. Israel's murder of 13,000 Palestinians is viewed as negligible and inconsequential compared to Hamas' murder of 1,400 Israelis.

+1. Israel suffered a terrorist attack. It was brutal and very sad, and I am so sorry for the families and people affected. Obviously they didn’t deserve what happened to them.

That said, the Israeli government’s plan to essentially carpet-bomb Gaza and withhold basic supplies like food, water, and power from the entire strip, is a war crime against the civilian population. They and everyone else know that this plan is going to indiscriminately kill Palestinian civilians (who are not Hamas). And their warnings to civilians to evacuate the northern part of the strip are pretty hollow. There are civilians there who cannot evacuate, as the UN pointed out. And there’s nowhere to go. They’re still bombing the southern part.

War crimes aren’t permissible just because it’s “self-defense” and it’s totally disingenuous to say that it’s antisemitic to point that out. Israel doesn’t get a pass on that because they suffered a terrorist attack.

So, if you agree that Hamas is a terrorist entity guilty of war crimes that does not serve the Palestinian people, what should Israel do?

Not commit additional war crimes in its response? Why is this controversial?

What are we asking Israelis to do something American's wouldn't? So far deaths in Gaza and in the thousands. The body count Americans exacted after 9/11 (including from an uninvolved country just because) ran into the hundreds of thousands

This is a reductionist, and a frankly bad, argument. Many of us think the U.S. response to 9/11 was also wrong. And I think the 20+ years of history since then has clearly proved that it was the wrong reaction.

OK. And I'm sure Israel is willing to suffer the same consequences that the US government and military suffered for those hundreds of thousands of civilians- i.e. none.

Unfortunately for Israel, it's not the U.S. and its geopolitical reality is that it's surrounded by hostile neighbors who are apparently willing to join the hostilities under the right circumstances. So it actually might see some pretty bad consequences.

Fortunately for Israel, the US cares more about Israeli security than it's hostile neighbors existence and the US has experience toppling middle eastern governments and letting countries descend into lawless hell holes. Do you think the Jordanian government looks at Iraq and thinking that looks fun?

Are you suggesting that the U.S. is going to topple Middle Eastern governments in defense of Israel? It will not. There's not popular support for that, and that's a good thing.

Have you seen the polling? Americans would absolutely support going to war with any country that tries to intervene against Israel and the US going to war would topple that government

Hahahahaha

In theory. There's no way that, facing down an another, real-life ground war (especially in the Middle East), the American public is going to support it. Look at what's going on in Ukraine.

Why do you assume that it would be a real-life ground war?

Wars are won on the ground. Ask the US how it did in Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan etc. The only way for Israel, a country with a very small population, is either compromise or go Nuclear.

Nah. If the objective is to keep Syria out of the war, the US can eliminate their leadership from a distance. One of those carriers could get rid of what is left of the Syrian army relatively quickly. We could recognize one of the militias as the legitimate government and never have a soldier on the ground. You need boots on the ground if you care about rebuilding a country, if the goal is to just prevent them from intervening in a war then you can decapitate the government and leave what is left to deal with the chaos left behind.

Syria of all nations should be left alone. Assad is damn near atheist commie . He’s the best neighbor Israel can have. American realized this and backed off from Syrian war completely. Assad is needed there believe it or not.

He doesn’t like Israel or America but he hates Arab terror groups more

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AP News
https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-gaza-hamas-war-biden-rafah-e062825a375d9eb62e95509cab95b80c

Disgusting. 500 civilians dead in a hospital. I’m sick.

[Anonymous]

It's astounding that today, House Republicans continued to engage in their own circle jerk of (predictably) failed Speaker votes, strongly sending the message that supporting Israel is not important or relevant to them.

Republicans are a disaster for Israel.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:AP News
https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-gaza-hamas-war-biden-rafah-e062825a375d9eb62e95509cab95b80c

Disgusting. 500 civilians dead in a hospital. I’m sick.

Its still just Abbas saying it was Israel.

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Anonymous wrote:It's astounding that today, House Republicans continued to engage in their own circle jerk of (predictably) failed Speaker votes, strongly sending the message that supporting Israel is not important or relevant to them.

Republicans are a disaster for Israel.

What a disgrace.

[Anonymous]

Remember when college campuses had demonstrations against South Africa?

Now they are demonstrating against Israel abuse of Palestinians

We need to stop all support for Israel.

We need to start divesting of all israel investments Just like what worked for South Africa in early 80’s