Charlie Kirk shot at Utah Valley University

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:To add, Charlie was the only one shot here, this wasn’t a mass shooting. This makes it even harder to understand the panic of tossing him into the back of the car.

At the very least, it was easier for his wife to see them trying to get him help, instead of just putting a sheet over him. No one wants to find out their spouse is dead by seeing a white sheet.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:When a conservative hero is murdered in front of thousands of people, and

- not one store is looted,

- not a single vehicle burned,

It tells you everything you need to know.

You all are burning down the constitution.

And looting the Treasury.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When a conservative hero is murdered in front of thousands of people, and

- not one store is looted,

- not a single vehicle burned,

It tells you everything you need to know.

You all are burning down the constitution.

And looting the Treasury.

BS. Your side literally murders people for disagreeing. Of course youre going to claim the moral high road and try to justify it with claims like this. Because if you had to face the reality of what you're doing to America, you would realize you're not crusaders for justice but rather a cabal of cold blooded elites who will murder to suppress your opposition.

[Anonymous]

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So I think I figured out what’s going on with the text messages.

We know that the shooter is not cooperating with authorities, has a lawyer, and allegedly destroyed his phone, clothing, and other evidence. So the police are getting information only from the boyfriend.

My theory is that the boyfriend received messages from the shooter and, in a moment of panic, either erases the messages or wiped his own phone. If the messages were end-to-end encrypted, they should be impossible to recover. If the messages were sent over an app rather than SMS texting, then the mobile service provider would not have anything to provide to authorities.

So the boyfriend relays the content of the text conversation with the shooter to the police. And now Utah police have put together a stylized transcript based on the testimony of the boyfriend. And this is what gets released to the public as part of the charging documents, because they are in a rush to release information. Recovering encrypted data from a mobile phone could take days or even weeks.

The police compile the stylized transcript, they let the boyfriend review it, and he says “Sure, that’s close enough” since he can’t remember every verbatim word or detail.

This would dovetail with Patel’s weird remark that they know of the shooter writing some sort of manifesto, but do not have access to it. If it’s encrypted and was deleted, it’s done-zo.

So yes, the text message chain was crafted by law enforcement but on the basis of testimony by the boyfriend about a real conversation that happened.

Yea, feels like a lot of what's out there is fabricated theater to try this in the court of public opinion even if real evidence remains sketchy and dubious. I wonder if they have a judge already lined up to deal with this, otherwise they could end up with a mistrial

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:To add, Charlie was the only one shot here, this wasn’t a mass shooting. This makes it even harder to understand the panic of tossing him into the back of the car.

At the very least, it was easier for his wife to see them trying to get him help, instead of just putting a sheet over him. No one wants to find out their spouse is dead by seeing a white sheet.

It’s not about the wife at that point, it’s about protocol and doing what they were trained to do. School teachers know not to throw deceased kids into their cars after a shooting.

[Anonymous]

Just so everyone understands what is happening at the macro level

https://apnews.com/article/charlie-kirk-russia-china-disinformation-putin-trump-bce0174644351c70811ae4a847ffa767

Foreign disinformation about Charlie Kirk’s killing seeks to widen US divisions

The hostile foreign governments want Americans angry and divided, and the current US government wants Americans angry and divided. And the current US government has dismantled the task forces in military, the state department and national intelligence, that would normally track these things.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

So I think I figured out what’s going on with the text messages.

We know that the shooter is not cooperating with authorities, has a lawyer, and allegedly destroyed his phone, clothing, and other evidence. So the police are getting information only from the boyfriend.

My theory is that the boyfriend received messages from the shooter and, in a moment of panic, either erases the messages or wiped his own phone. If the messages were end-to-end encrypted, they should be impossible to recover. If the messages were sent over an app rather than SMS texting, then the mobile service provider would not have anything to provide to authorities.

So the boyfriend relays the content of the text conversation with the shooter to the police. And now Utah police have put together a stylized transcript based on the testimony of the boyfriend. And this is what gets released to the public as part of the charging documents, because they are in a rush to release information. Recovering encrypted data from a mobile phone could take days or even weeks.

The police compile the stylized transcript, they let the boyfriend review it, and he says “Sure, that’s close enough” since he can’t remember every verbatim word or detail.

This would dovetail with Patel’s weird remark that they know of the shooter writing some sort of manifesto, but do not have access to it. If it’s encrypted and was deleted, it’s done-zo.

So yes, the text message chain was crafted by law enforcement but on the basis of testimony by the boyfriend about a real conversation that happened.

Yea, feels like a lot of what's out there is fabricated theater to try this in the court of public opinion even if real evidence remains sketchy and dubious. I wonder if they have a judge already lined up to deal with this, otherwise they could end up with a mistrial

If the real information was available to "settle the question" in a way that favored the administration, it would already be out there.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When a conservative hero is murdered in front of thousands of people, and

- not one store is looted,

- not a single vehicle burned,

It tells you everything you need to know.

You all are burning down the constitution.

And looting the Treasury.

BS. Your side literally murders people for disagreeing. Of course youre going to claim the moral high road and try to justify it with claims like this. Because if you had to face the reality of what you're doing to America, you would realize you're not crusaders for justice but rather a cabal of cold blooded elites who will murder to suppress your opposition.

"YoUr sIDe!!!" while the Trump administration scrambles to take down and delete all the inconvenient data and reports showing how there's been significantly more incidents of domestic terrorism linked to right wing ideology than to the left, and how, during the Floyd protests, it was right wing Boogaloo Bois who murdered police, firebombed police precincts and so on. There's the BS.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When a conservative hero is murdered in front of thousands of people, and

- not one store is looted,

- not a single vehicle burned,

It tells you everything you need to know.

You all are burning down the constitution.

And looting the Treasury.

BS. Your side literally murders people for disagreeing. Of course youre going to claim the moral high road and try to justify it with claims like this. Because if you had to face the reality of what you're doing to America, you would realize you're not crusaders for justice but rather a cabal of cold blooded elites who will murder to suppress your opposition.

Here we have a typical MAGA argument. It doesn’t engage with the claim, and immediately launches into an unrelated hyperbolic rant in an attempt to push the Dems Are Satan Narrative as a substitute for facts.

Your side is looting the Treasury.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:[twitter]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When a conservative hero is murdered in front of thousands of people, and

- not one store is looted,

- not a single vehicle burned,

It tells you everything you need to know.

You all are burning down the constitution.

And looting the Treasury.

BS. Your side literally murders people for disagreeing.

Your side shot Democratic lawmakers and their families in their homes and firebombed the Pennsylvania governor’s residence while they slept. Get off your high horse.

[Anonymous]

Who was the security company and why are they not being objectively investigated?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:[twitter]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When a conservative hero is murdered in front of thousands of people, and

- not one store is looted,

- not a single vehicle burned,

It tells you everything you need to know.

You all are burning down the constitution.

And looting the Treasury.

BS. Your side literally murders people for disagreeing.

Your side shot Democratic lawmakers and their families in their homes and firebombed the Pennsylvania governor’s residence while they slept. Get off your high horse.

I believe the penn gov home being firebombed was left wing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:[twitter]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When a conservative hero is murdered in front of thousands of people, and

- not one store is looted,

- not a single vehicle burned,

It tells you everything you need to know.

You all are burning down the constitution.

And looting the Treasury.

BS. Your side literally murders people for disagreeing.

Your side shot Democratic lawmakers and their families in their homes and firebombed the Pennsylvania governor’s residence while they slept. Get off your high horse.

What democratic lawmakers?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:[twitter]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When a conservative hero is murdered in front of thousands of people, and

- not one store is looted,

- not a single vehicle burned,

It tells you everything you need to know.

You all are burning down the constitution.

And looting the Treasury.

BS. Your side literally murders people for disagreeing. Of course youre going to claim the moral high road and try to justify it with claims like this. Because if you had to face the reality of what you're doing to America, you would realize you're not crusaders for justice but rather a cabal of cold blooded elites who will murder to suppress your opposition.

One single, horribly misguided and disturbed young man does not constitute anyone’s “side.” Give it a rest.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You would think they would have training in catastrophic injuries

Why even bother having bodyguards?

They were there to keep people from throwing things at him, coming on stage, punching or slapping him, physically blocking him from leaving. They were there for minor disputes, not Secret Service-level protection. It seems neither he nor TPUSA paid for that kind of security detail.

Whose idea was is to throw a gravely injured Charlie and any potential evidence into the backseat of an SUV? Who made that decision?

Those kinds of details are not being announced publicly.

They just assumed Charlie was a goner? The unqualified bodyguards determined Charlie was brain dead and there was no need for any medical intervention?

They took him straight to a hospital, so obviously, they were seeking medical intervention.

I am talking immediate on site, qualified EMT intervention. Throwing him into the back of an SUV could have been what actually killed him if he had a c spine fracture.

I saw a message from his mentor who was there and with him in the SUV, I think it was on Tik Tok. But he said they briefly got a pulse from Charlie at the hospital, which I find hard to believe.

People lose 5L of blood and survive, obviously they need immediate transfusions, but it happens. He’d likely be a vented quadriplegic with a severe TBI if he survived. But everyone decided there was no hope and didn’t even try to save him.

A normal heart pumps about 5L of blood per minute. With his injury where it was, he had zero chance of survival.