Looks like a new Gaza war has started

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Anonymous wrote:Hamas is not the Palestinian people. Why do people keep identifying Hamas with all who live on Gaza? Yes they are there, yes they are Arab/Palestinian. No they are not 100% of the population living on Gaza and you can condemn Hamas without suggesting all Palestinians are barbarians. Why is this such a problem for Jewish people? I mean I condemn the Hamas attacks. I do not support Israel's right to kill everyone on Gaza which is essentially what they are doing. Allies of Israel claim it's not but look at what's happening. It sure is. You are killing everyone there which amounts to killing all Palestinians, Hamas or not. It is every bit as tragic as Hamas killing innocents because Israel is knowingly killing innocents as well. You just can't say well we want to kill Hamas so it makes killing innocent people OK. It's not. It's never OK. EVER. To do it accidentally or because there's no way around it is different than simply dropping bombs to wipe out as many as you can at once. You really think this is about Hamas? It's about wiping the Palestinian people off the face of the earth. It's sick. As sick as Hamas.

Your point seems to be that Israel defending itself is sick.

The point is that war crimes are sick, even when Israel is the perpetrator.

The point seems to be that anything Israel does to defend itself is a “war crime.”

So Israel is allowed to do anything it wants in defense of it's security? I'm sure you'd be applauding if Israel nuked Gaza, which is what they seem to be doing in small doses. It's like you and the pro-Israel people have blinders one. Nothing Israel does is wrong. God's chosen people are infallible. Everything they do is justified, including killing and stealing land from West Bank Palestinians. Israel's murder of 13,000 Palestinians is viewed as negligible and inconsequential compared to Hamas' murder of 1,400 Israelis.

+1. Israel suffered a terrorist attack. It was brutal and very sad, and I am so sorry for the families and people affected. Obviously they didn’t deserve what happened to them.

That said, the Israeli government’s plan to essentially carpet-bomb Gaza and withhold basic supplies like food, water, and power from the entire strip, is a war crime against the civilian population. They and everyone else know that this plan is going to indiscriminately kill Palestinian civilians (who are not Hamas). And their warnings to civilians to evacuate the northern part of the strip are pretty hollow. There are civilians there who cannot evacuate, as the UN pointed out. And there’s nowhere to go. They’re still bombing the southern part.

War crimes aren’t permissible just because it’s “self-defense” and it’s totally disingenuous to say that it’s antisemitic to point that out. Israel doesn’t get a pass on that because they suffered a terrorist attack.

So, if you agree that Hamas is a terrorist entity guilty of war crimes that does not serve the Palestinian people, what should Israel do?

Not commit additional war crimes in its response? Why is this controversial?

What are we asking Israelis to do something American's wouldn't? So far deaths in Gaza and in the thousands. The body count Americans exacted after 9/11 (including from an uninvolved country just because) ran into the hundreds of thousands

This is a reductionist, and a frankly bad, argument. Many of us think the U.S. response to 9/11 was also wrong. And I think the 20+ years of history since then has clearly proved that it was the wrong reaction.

OK. And I'm sure Israel is willing to suffer the same consequences that the US government and military suffered for those hundreds of thousands of civilians- i.e. none.

Unfortunately for Israel, it's not the U.S. and its geopolitical reality is that it's surrounded by hostile neighbors who are apparently willing to join the hostilities under the right circumstances. So it actually might see some pretty bad consequences.

Fortunately for Israel, the US cares more about Israeli security than it's hostile neighbors existence and the US has experience toppling middle eastern governments and letting countries descend into lawless hell holes. Do you think the Jordanian government looks at Iraq and thinking that looks fun?

Are you suggesting that the U.S. is going to topple Middle Eastern governments in defense of Israel? It will not. There's not popular support for that, and that's a good thing.

Have you seen the polling? Americans would absolutely support going to war with any country that tries to intervene against Israel and the US going to war would topple that government

Not if Biden wants to win. No chance in hell would I vote for him if there's American boots on the ground in Israel or Gaza.

Yup. No way I will vote for Biden if he sends American troops to Israel. American taxpayer is already working very hard to send billions of dollars to Israel, on top of that we don’t want to sacrifice our kids for Israel. If Biden is so desperate then he can send his own grandkids.

Totally agree. It's time for table talk not war. Foreign interference should focus on negotiations and humanitarian aid, not war and supporting sides.

Unless the negotiations lead to the death of Hamas leaders, I don't see why Israel would be interested.

Israel would be interested because in that region, Israel is NOTHING without U.S support, if Israel want to wager a war with Arabs on it’s own then they go right ahead. Without U.S support we can find out exactly how that goes.

All of Israel’s talk, posturing, actions are based on the premise that U.S will be supporting then, the question will be to what extent the support will be given.

Do you think Biden is going to do anything to distance the US from Israel? The same Biden retreating from his $6 billion hostage deal as fast as he possibly can

The Iran deal is proceeding as agreed to. The easing of Iranian sanctions is also proceeding as agreed to. Can't afford a collapse of oil prices and chaos in order to appease Bibi's nationalist dreams.

You should ask the NYT for a correction

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/12/world/middleeast/us-qatar-iran-prisoner-deal.html

You should ask the Qatari government for a correction.

https://www.barrons.com/news/qatar-committed-to-iran-funds-deal-in-us-prisoner-exchange-3c801126

Reading is fundamental


"Qatar is committed to an agreement and will fulfil its obligations and will not do anything without consultations with our partners,"

https://www.barrons.com/news/qatar-committed-to-iran-funds-deal-in-us-prisoner-exchange-3c801126

[Anonymous]

This thread is critically important to understand the dots to connect israel, Ukraine and Russia

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Perhaps the worst thing that could happen is for Israel to loose the support of American Jews.
Bombing a school where refugees were told to gather and that had 4000 people

Evangelicals support Israel almost in spite of the Jews. Hawks in both parties support it because they are a traditional ally and are fighting terrorists. I don't think Israel actually needs American Jews to support them

Evangelical voters are about 23% of the electorate but are very important in the Bible Belt. Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia, Kentucky, Mississippi, Missouri, North Carolina, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee, West Virginia and Virginia with sizable parts of: Florida, Louisiana, Illinois, Indiana, Kansas, New Mexico, Ohio and Texas.

The Jewish vote at most is 9% in New York and 6% in New Jersey. After that there are a few regional or really cities where Jewish vote impact local and maybe a congressional seat.

The Jewish vote by itself just does not have the numbers behind it to impact US national elections.

Perhaps you are confusing the Jewish vote with the influence of aipac?
No politician has been successful without pledge of allegiance to what at the time pleases aipac

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This thread is critically important to understand the dots to connect israel, Ukraine and Russia

I was actually thinking this exact same thing yesterday. This conflict is a boon for Russia.

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Anonymous wrote:Perhaps the worst thing that could happen is for Israel to loose the support of American Jews.
Bombing a school where refugees were told to gather and that had 4000 people

Evangelicals support Israel almost in spite of the Jews. Hawks in both parties support it because they are a traditional ally and are fighting terrorists. I don't think Israel actually needs American Jews to support them

Evangelical voters are about 23% of the electorate but are very important in the Bible Belt. Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia, Kentucky, Mississippi, Missouri, North Carolina, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee, West Virginia and Virginia with sizable parts of: Florida, Louisiana, Illinois, Indiana, Kansas, New Mexico, Ohio and Texas.

The Jewish vote at most is 9% in New York and 6% in New Jersey. After that there are a few regional or really cities where Jewish vote impact local and maybe a congressional seat.

The Jewish vote by itself just does not have the numbers behind it to impact US national elections.

Perhaps you are confusing the Jewish vote with the influence of aipac?
No politician has been successful without pledge of allegiance to what at the time pleases aipac

Since when does AIPAC care about moderate jews or their beliefs?

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Anonymous wrote:Hamas is not the Palestinian people. Why do people keep identifying Hamas with all who live on Gaza? Yes they are there, yes they are Arab/Palestinian. No they are not 100% of the population living on Gaza and you can condemn Hamas without suggesting all Palestinians are barbarians. Why is this such a problem for Jewish people? I mean I condemn the Hamas attacks. I do not support Israel's right to kill everyone on Gaza which is essentially what they are doing. Allies of Israel claim it's not but look at what's happening. It sure is. You are killing everyone there which amounts to killing all Palestinians, Hamas or not. It is every bit as tragic as Hamas killing innocents because Israel is knowingly killing innocents as well. You just can't say well we want to kill Hamas so it makes killing innocent people OK. It's not. It's never OK. EVER. To do it accidentally or because there's no way around it is different than simply dropping bombs to wipe out as many as you can at once. You really think this is about Hamas? It's about wiping the Palestinian people off the face of the earth. It's sick. As sick as Hamas.

Your point seems to be that Israel defending itself is sick.

The point is that war crimes are sick, even when Israel is the perpetrator.

The point seems to be that anything Israel does to defend itself is a “war crime.”

So Israel is allowed to do anything it wants in defense of it's security? I'm sure you'd be applauding if Israel nuked Gaza, which is what they seem to be doing in small doses. It's like you and the pro-Israel people have blinders one. Nothing Israel does is wrong. God's chosen people are infallible. Everything they do is justified, including killing and stealing land from West Bank Palestinians. Israel's murder of 13,000 Palestinians is viewed as negligible and inconsequential compared to Hamas' murder of 1,400 Israelis.

+1. Israel suffered a terrorist attack. It was brutal and very sad, and I am so sorry for the families and people affected. Obviously they didn’t deserve what happened to them.

That said, the Israeli government’s plan to essentially carpet-bomb Gaza and withhold basic supplies like food, water, and power from the entire strip, is a war crime against the civilian population. They and everyone else know that this plan is going to indiscriminately kill Palestinian civilians (who are not Hamas). And their warnings to civilians to evacuate the northern part of the strip are pretty hollow. There are civilians there who cannot evacuate, as the UN pointed out. And there’s nowhere to go. They’re still bombing the southern part.

War crimes aren’t permissible just because it’s “self-defense” and it’s totally disingenuous to say that it’s antisemitic to point that out. Israel doesn’t get a pass on that because they suffered a terrorist attack.

So, if you agree that Hamas is a terrorist entity guilty of war crimes that does not serve the Palestinian people, what should Israel do?

Not commit additional war crimes in its response? Why is this controversial?

What are we asking Israelis to do something American's wouldn't? So far deaths in Gaza and in the thousands. The body count Americans exacted after 9/11 (including from an uninvolved country just because) ran into the hundreds of thousands

This is a reductionist, and a frankly bad, argument. Many of us think the U.S. response to 9/11 was also wrong. And I think the 20+ years of history since then has clearly proved that it was the wrong reaction.

OK. And I'm sure Israel is willing to suffer the same consequences that the US government and military suffered for those hundreds of thousands of civilians- i.e. none.

Unfortunately for Israel, it's not the U.S. and its geopolitical reality is that it's surrounded by hostile neighbors who are apparently willing to join the hostilities under the right circumstances. So it actually might see some pretty bad consequences.

Fortunately for Israel, the US cares more about Israeli security than it's hostile neighbors existence and the US has experience toppling middle eastern governments and letting countries descend into lawless hell holes. Do you think the Jordanian government looks at Iraq and thinking that looks fun?

Are you suggesting that the U.S. is going to topple Middle Eastern governments in defense of Israel? It will not. There's not popular support for that, and that's a good thing.

Have you seen the polling? Americans would absolutely support going to war with any country that tries to intervene against Israel and the US going to war would topple that government

Not if Biden wants to win. No chance in hell would I vote for him if there's American boots on the ground in Israel or Gaza.

Yup. No way I will vote for Biden if he sends American troops to Israel. American taxpayer is already working very hard to send billions of dollars to Israel, on top of that we don’t want to sacrifice our kids for Israel. If Biden is so desperate then he can send his own grandkids.

Totally agree. It's time for table talk not war. Foreign interference should focus on negotiations and humanitarian aid, not war and supporting sides.

Unless the negotiations lead to the death of Hamas leaders, I don't see why Israel would be interested.

Israel would be interested because in that region, Israel is NOTHING without U.S support, if Israel want to wager a war with Arabs on it’s own then they go right ahead. Without U.S support we can find out exactly how that goes.

All of Israel’s talk, posturing, actions are based on the premise that U.S will be supporting then, the question will be to what extent the support will be given.

Do you think Biden is going to do anything to distance the US from Israel? The same Biden retreating from his $6 billion hostage deal as fast as he possibly can

The Iran deal is proceeding as agreed to. The easing of Iranian sanctions is also proceeding as agreed to. Can't afford a collapse of oil prices and chaos in order to appease Bibi's nationalist dreams.

You should ask the NYT for a correction

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/12/world/middleeast/us-qatar-iran-prisoner-deal.html

You should ask the Qatari government for a correction.

https://www.barrons.com/news/qatar-committed-to-iran-funds-deal-in-us-prisoner-exchange-3c801126

Reading is fundamental


"Qatar is committed to an agreement and will fulfil its obligations and will not do anything without consultations with our partners,"

https://www.barrons.com/news/qatar-committed-to-iran-funds-deal-in-us-prisoner-exchange-3c801126

Yes reading is fundamental but apparently you lack reading comprehension skills. They are committed to the US-Iran agreement, aka the agreement is proceeding as agreed. The agreement already contained provisions for consultation with partners and thorough vetting of fund usage by Iran.

[jsteele]

Israel appears to have committed an atrocity by bombing a hospital in Gaza:

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Anonymous wrote:Hamas is not the Palestinian people. Why do people keep identifying Hamas with all who live on Gaza? Yes they are there, yes they are Arab/Palestinian. No they are not 100% of the population living on Gaza and you can condemn Hamas without suggesting all Palestinians are barbarians. Why is this such a problem for Jewish people? I mean I condemn the Hamas attacks. I do not support Israel's right to kill everyone on Gaza which is essentially what they are doing. Allies of Israel claim it's not but look at what's happening. It sure is. You are killing everyone there which amounts to killing all Palestinians, Hamas or not. It is every bit as tragic as Hamas killing innocents because Israel is knowingly killing innocents as well. You just can't say well we want to kill Hamas so it makes killing innocent people OK. It's not. It's never OK. EVER. To do it accidentally or because there's no way around it is different than simply dropping bombs to wipe out as many as you can at once. You really think this is about Hamas? It's about wiping the Palestinian people off the face of the earth. It's sick. As sick as Hamas.

Your point seems to be that Israel defending itself is sick.

The point is that war crimes are sick, even when Israel is the perpetrator.

The point seems to be that anything Israel does to defend itself is a “war crime.”

So Israel is allowed to do anything it wants in defense of it's security? I'm sure you'd be applauding if Israel nuked Gaza, which is what they seem to be doing in small doses. It's like you and the pro-Israel people have blinders one. Nothing Israel does is wrong. God's chosen people are infallible. Everything they do is justified, including killing and stealing land from West Bank Palestinians. Israel's murder of 13,000 Palestinians is viewed as negligible and inconsequential compared to Hamas' murder of 1,400 Israelis.

+1. Israel suffered a terrorist attack. It was brutal and very sad, and I am so sorry for the families and people affected. Obviously they didn’t deserve what happened to them.

That said, the Israeli government’s plan to essentially carpet-bomb Gaza and withhold basic supplies like food, water, and power from the entire strip, is a war crime against the civilian population. They and everyone else know that this plan is going to indiscriminately kill Palestinian civilians (who are not Hamas). And their warnings to civilians to evacuate the northern part of the strip are pretty hollow. There are civilians there who cannot evacuate, as the UN pointed out. And there’s nowhere to go. They’re still bombing the southern part.

War crimes aren’t permissible just because it’s “self-defense” and it’s totally disingenuous to say that it’s antisemitic to point that out. Israel doesn’t get a pass on that because they suffered a terrorist attack.

So, if you agree that Hamas is a terrorist entity guilty of war crimes that does not serve the Palestinian people, what should Israel do?

Not commit additional war crimes in its response? Why is this controversial?

What are we asking Israelis to do something American's wouldn't? So far deaths in Gaza and in the thousands. The body count Americans exacted after 9/11 (including from an uninvolved country just because) ran into the hundreds of thousands

This is a reductionist, and a frankly bad, argument. Many of us think the U.S. response to 9/11 was also wrong. And I think the 20+ years of history since then has clearly proved that it was the wrong reaction.

OK. And I'm sure Israel is willing to suffer the same consequences that the US government and military suffered for those hundreds of thousands of civilians- i.e. none.

Unfortunately for Israel, it's not the U.S. and its geopolitical reality is that it's surrounded by hostile neighbors who are apparently willing to join the hostilities under the right circumstances. So it actually might see some pretty bad consequences.

Fortunately for Israel, the US cares more about Israeli security than it's hostile neighbors existence and the US has experience toppling middle eastern governments and letting countries descend into lawless hell holes. Do you think the Jordanian government looks at Iraq and thinking that looks fun?

Are you suggesting that the U.S. is going to topple Middle Eastern governments in defense of Israel? It will not. There's not popular support for that, and that's a good thing.

Have you seen the polling? Americans would absolutely support going to war with any country that tries to intervene against Israel and the US going to war would topple that government

Not if Biden wants to win. No chance in hell would I vote for him if there's American boots on the ground in Israel or Gaza.

Yup. No way I will vote for Biden if he sends American troops to Israel. American taxpayer is already working very hard to send billions of dollars to Israel, on top of that we don’t want to sacrifice our kids for Israel. If Biden is so desperate then he can send his own grandkids.

Totally agree. It's time for table talk not war. Foreign interference should focus on negotiations and humanitarian aid, not war and supporting sides.

Unless the negotiations lead to the death of Hamas leaders, I don't see why Israel would be interested.

Israel would be interested because in that region, Israel is NOTHING without U.S support, if Israel want to wager a war with Arabs on it’s own then they go right ahead. Without U.S support we can find out exactly how that goes.

All of Israel’s talk, posturing, actions are based on the premise that U.S will be supporting then, the question will be to what extent the support will be given.

Do you think Biden is going to do anything to distance the US from Israel? The same Biden retreating from his $6 billion hostage deal as fast as he possibly can

The Iran deal is proceeding as agreed to. The easing of Iranian sanctions is also proceeding as agreed to. Can't afford a collapse of oil prices and chaos in order to appease Bibi's nationalist dreams.

You should ask the NYT for a correction

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/12/world/middleeast/us-qatar-iran-prisoner-deal.html

You should ask the Qatari government for a correction.

https://www.barrons.com/news/qatar-committed-to-iran-funds-deal-in-us-prisoner-exchange-3c801126

Reading is fundamental


"Qatar is committed to an agreement and will fulfil its obligations and will not do anything without consultations with our partners,"

https://www.barrons.com/news/qatar-committed-to-iran-funds-deal-in-us-prisoner-exchange-3c801126

Yes reading is fundamental but apparently you lack reading comprehension skills. They are committed to the US-Iran agreement, aka the agreement is proceeding as agreed. The agreement already contained provisions for consultation with partners and thorough vetting of fund usage by Iran.

So a one paragraph ambitious snippet from Barrons is the best you can find?

"The U.S. and Qatari governments have agreed to block Iran from accessing any of the $6 billion it gained access to as part of a prisoner swap deal between the Biden administration and Tehran last month, Deputy Treasury Secretary Wally Adeyemo told House Democrats on Thursday, according to three sources familiar with his remarks, two of whom were in the room."
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/us-qatar-agree-not-release-iran-6-billion-prisoner-swap-rcna120135
"The U.S. and Qatar have reached an agreement to prevent Iran from accessing $6 billion recently unfrozen as part of a prisoner swap, the deputy treasury secretary told lawmakers on Thursday, sources confirmed to ABC News."
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/us-halting-release-6-billion-iranian-oil-assets/story?id=103928072
"The United States and the Qatari government reached an agreement to prevent Iran from tapping $6 billion in frozen funds"
https://news.yahoo.com/u-stop-iran-accessing-6-164129575.html

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:Israel appears to have committed an atrocity by bombing a hospital in Gaza:

We have precedent for this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kunduz_hospital_airstrike
Somehow, I doubt the Gazans get even the apology

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is critically important to understand the dots to connect israel, Ukraine and Russia

I was actually thinking this exact same thing yesterday. This conflict is a boon for Russia.

Oh 100%. It’s not an accident that it happened, on any level.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why is Biden going to Israel?

To try and stall.

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Anonymous wrote:Hamas is not the Palestinian people. Why do people keep identifying Hamas with all who live on Gaza? Yes they are there, yes they are Arab/Palestinian. No they are not 100% of the population living on Gaza and you can condemn Hamas without suggesting all Palestinians are barbarians. Why is this such a problem for Jewish people? I mean I condemn the Hamas attacks. I do not support Israel's right to kill everyone on Gaza which is essentially what they are doing. Allies of Israel claim it's not but look at what's happening. It sure is. You are killing everyone there which amounts to killing all Palestinians, Hamas or not. It is every bit as tragic as Hamas killing innocents because Israel is knowingly killing innocents as well. You just can't say well we want to kill Hamas so it makes killing innocent people OK. It's not. It's never OK. EVER. To do it accidentally or because there's no way around it is different than simply dropping bombs to wipe out as many as you can at once. You really think this is about Hamas? It's about wiping the Palestinian people off the face of the earth. It's sick. As sick as Hamas.

Your point seems to be that Israel defending itself is sick.

The point is that war crimes are sick, even when Israel is the perpetrator.

The point seems to be that anything Israel does to defend itself is a “war crime.”

So Israel is allowed to do anything it wants in defense of it's security? I'm sure you'd be applauding if Israel nuked Gaza, which is what they seem to be doing in small doses. It's like you and the pro-Israel people have blinders one. Nothing Israel does is wrong. God's chosen people are infallible. Everything they do is justified, including killing and stealing land from West Bank Palestinians. Israel's murder of 13,000 Palestinians is viewed as negligible and inconsequential compared to Hamas' murder of 1,400 Israelis.

+1. Israel suffered a terrorist attack. It was brutal and very sad, and I am so sorry for the families and people affected. Obviously they didn’t deserve what happened to them.

That said, the Israeli government’s plan to essentially carpet-bomb Gaza and withhold basic supplies like food, water, and power from the entire strip, is a war crime against the civilian population. They and everyone else know that this plan is going to indiscriminately kill Palestinian civilians (who are not Hamas). And their warnings to civilians to evacuate the northern part of the strip are pretty hollow. There are civilians there who cannot evacuate, as the UN pointed out. And there’s nowhere to go. They’re still bombing the southern part.

War crimes aren’t permissible just because it’s “self-defense” and it’s totally disingenuous to say that it’s antisemitic to point that out. Israel doesn’t get a pass on that because they suffered a terrorist attack.

So, if you agree that Hamas is a terrorist entity guilty of war crimes that does not serve the Palestinian people, what should Israel do?

Not commit additional war crimes in its response? Why is this controversial?

What are we asking Israelis to do something American's wouldn't? So far deaths in Gaza and in the thousands. The body count Americans exacted after 9/11 (including from an uninvolved country just because) ran into the hundreds of thousands

This is a reductionist, and a frankly bad, argument. Many of us think the U.S. response to 9/11 was also wrong. And I think the 20+ years of history since then has clearly proved that it was the wrong reaction.

OK. And I'm sure Israel is willing to suffer the same consequences that the US government and military suffered for those hundreds of thousands of civilians- i.e. none.

Unfortunately for Israel, it's not the U.S. and its geopolitical reality is that it's surrounded by hostile neighbors who are apparently willing to join the hostilities under the right circumstances. So it actually might see some pretty bad consequences.

Fortunately for Israel, the US cares more about Israeli security than it's hostile neighbors existence and the US has experience toppling middle eastern governments and letting countries descend into lawless hell holes. Do you think the Jordanian government looks at Iraq and thinking that looks fun?

Are you suggesting that the U.S. is going to topple Middle Eastern governments in defense of Israel? It will not. There's not popular support for that, and that's a good thing.

Have you seen the polling? Americans would absolutely support going to war with any country that tries to intervene against Israel and the US going to war would topple that government

Hahahahaha

Do you hear anyone opposing two carrier battle groups being stationed off the coast of Israel? Who has spoken out over an MEU moving to the Eastern Med? We're deploying 2k troops to Israel, have you heard anyone objecting? If Iran decides to attack or if Syria tries to do something, do you think they're there to observe?

It's called posturing dummy! The US has immense interest in the region, it cannot afford a war in a region where the world's oil supply lies, a war it is most definitely not prepared for. It's the surrounding countries, beginning with the Saudis, that hold all the cards, not Israel.

Exactly. Also, polls are one thing but when our own sons/daughters start dying on the ground, Americans will want Biden’s hide as they should. I hope this stays to posturing only, this is not our circus, not our monkeys.

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What happens when our sons and daughters start dying on the ground here in the US by the same people brought in through unfettered immigration?

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Anonymous wrote:Hamas is not the Palestinian people. Why do people keep identifying Hamas with all who live on Gaza? Yes they are there, yes they are Arab/Palestinian. No they are not 100% of the population living on Gaza and you can condemn Hamas without suggesting all Palestinians are barbarians. Why is this such a problem for Jewish people? I mean I condemn the Hamas attacks. I do not support Israel's right to kill everyone on Gaza which is essentially what they are doing. Allies of Israel claim it's not but look at what's happening. It sure is. You are killing everyone there which amounts to killing all Palestinians, Hamas or not. It is every bit as tragic as Hamas killing innocents because Israel is knowingly killing innocents as well. You just can't say well we want to kill Hamas so it makes killing innocent people OK. It's not. It's never OK. EVER. To do it accidentally or because there's no way around it is different than simply dropping bombs to wipe out as many as you can at once. You really think this is about Hamas? It's about wiping the Palestinian people off the face of the earth. It's sick. As sick as Hamas.

Your point seems to be that Israel defending itself is sick.

The point is that war crimes are sick, even when Israel is the perpetrator.

The point seems to be that anything Israel does to defend itself is a “war crime.”

So Israel is allowed to do anything it wants in defense of it's security? I'm sure you'd be applauding if Israel nuked Gaza, which is what they seem to be doing in small doses. It's like you and the pro-Israel people have blinders one. Nothing Israel does is wrong. God's chosen people are infallible. Everything they do is justified, including killing and stealing land from West Bank Palestinians. Israel's murder of 13,000 Palestinians is viewed as negligible and inconsequential compared to Hamas' murder of 1,400 Israelis.

+1. Israel suffered a terrorist attack. It was brutal and very sad, and I am so sorry for the families and people affected. Obviously they didn’t deserve what happened to them.

That said, the Israeli government’s plan to essentially carpet-bomb Gaza and withhold basic supplies like food, water, and power from the entire strip, is a war crime against the civilian population. They and everyone else know that this plan is going to indiscriminately kill Palestinian civilians (who are not Hamas). And their warnings to civilians to evacuate the northern part of the strip are pretty hollow. There are civilians there who cannot evacuate, as the UN pointed out. And there’s nowhere to go. They’re still bombing the southern part.

War crimes aren’t permissible just because it’s “self-defense” and it’s totally disingenuous to say that it’s antisemitic to point that out. Israel doesn’t get a pass on that because they suffered a terrorist attack.

So, if you agree that Hamas is a terrorist entity guilty of war crimes that does not serve the Palestinian people, what should Israel do?

Not commit additional war crimes in its response? Why is this controversial?

Now y’all want mercy? (NP)

No, we want Israel to not indiscriminately kill civilians in Gaza. Why do you think this is permissible?

Because the proportionality y'all call for is a joke. It's not possible.

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Anonymous wrote:Hamas is not the Palestinian people. Why do people keep identifying Hamas with all who live on Gaza? Yes they are there, yes they are Arab/Palestinian. No they are not 100% of the population living on Gaza and you can condemn Hamas without suggesting all Palestinians are barbarians. Why is this such a problem for Jewish people? I mean I condemn the Hamas attacks. I do not support Israel's right to kill everyone on Gaza which is essentially what they are doing. Allies of Israel claim it's not but look at what's happening. It sure is. You are killing everyone there which amounts to killing all Palestinians, Hamas or not. It is every bit as tragic as Hamas killing innocents because Israel is knowingly killing innocents as well. You just can't say well we want to kill Hamas so it makes killing innocent people OK. It's not. It's never OK. EVER. To do it accidentally or because there's no way around it is different than simply dropping bombs to wipe out as many as you can at once. You really think this is about Hamas? It's about wiping the Palestinian people off the face of the earth. It's sick. As sick as Hamas.

Your point seems to be that Israel defending itself is sick.

The point is that war crimes are sick, even when Israel is the perpetrator.

The point seems to be that anything Israel does to defend itself is a “war crime.”

So Israel is allowed to do anything it wants in defense of it's security? I'm sure you'd be applauding if Israel nuked Gaza, which is what they seem to be doing in small doses. It's like you and the pro-Israel people have blinders one. Nothing Israel does is wrong. God's chosen people are infallible. Everything they do is justified, including killing and stealing land from West Bank Palestinians. Israel's murder of 13,000 Palestinians is viewed as negligible and inconsequential compared to Hamas' murder of 1,400 Israelis.

+1. Israel suffered a terrorist attack. It was brutal and very sad, and I am so sorry for the families and people affected. Obviously they didn’t deserve what happened to them.

That said, the Israeli government’s plan to essentially carpet-bomb Gaza and withhold basic supplies like food, water, and power from the entire strip, is a war crime against the civilian population. They and everyone else know that this plan is going to indiscriminately kill Palestinian civilians (who are not Hamas). And their warnings to civilians to evacuate the northern part of the strip are pretty hollow. There are civilians there who cannot evacuate, as the UN pointed out. And there’s nowhere to go. They’re still bombing the southern part.

War crimes aren’t permissible just because it’s “self-defense” and it’s totally disingenuous to say that it’s antisemitic to point that out. Israel doesn’t get a pass on that because they suffered a terrorist attack.

So, if you agree that Hamas is a terrorist entity guilty of war crimes that does not serve the Palestinian people, what should Israel do?

Not commit additional war crimes in its response? Why is this controversial?

Now y’all want mercy? (NP)

Who is “ya’ll”?

I’m an American citizen with relatives in Israel. I— and they— want Israel to conduct themselves better than Hamas.

As a U.S taxpayer I don’t want to see billions in military assistance used to kill children. This, again, is a belief I think is widely held.

I'm sure your relatives would rather stay alive

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Anonymous wrote:Hamas is not the Palestinian people. Why do people keep identifying Hamas with all who live on Gaza? Yes they are there, yes they are Arab/Palestinian. No they are not 100% of the population living on Gaza and you can condemn Hamas without suggesting all Palestinians are barbarians. Why is this such a problem for Jewish people? I mean I condemn the Hamas attacks. I do not support Israel's right to kill everyone on Gaza which is essentially what they are doing. Allies of Israel claim it's not but look at what's happening. It sure is. You are killing everyone there which amounts to killing all Palestinians, Hamas or not. It is every bit as tragic as Hamas killing innocents because Israel is knowingly killing innocents as well. You just can't say well we want to kill Hamas so it makes killing innocent people OK. It's not. It's never OK. EVER. To do it accidentally or because there's no way around it is different than simply dropping bombs to wipe out as many as you can at once. You really think this is about Hamas? It's about wiping the Palestinian people off the face of the earth. It's sick. As sick as Hamas.

Your point seems to be that Israel defending itself is sick.

The point is that war crimes are sick, even when Israel is the perpetrator.

The point seems to be that anything Israel does to defend itself is a “war crime.”

So Israel is allowed to do anything it wants in defense of it's security? I'm sure you'd be applauding if Israel nuked Gaza, which is what they seem to be doing in small doses. It's like you and the pro-Israel people have blinders one. Nothing Israel does is wrong. God's chosen people are infallible. Everything they do is justified, including killing and stealing land from West Bank Palestinians. Israel's murder of 13,000 Palestinians is viewed as negligible and inconsequential compared to Hamas' murder of 1,400 Israelis.

+1. Israel suffered a terrorist attack. It was brutal and very sad, and I am so sorry for the families and people affected. Obviously they didn’t deserve what happened to them.

That said, the Israeli government’s plan to essentially carpet-bomb Gaza and withhold basic supplies like food, water, and power from the entire strip, is a war crime against the civilian population. They and everyone else know that this plan is going to indiscriminately kill Palestinian civilians (who are not Hamas). And their warnings to civilians to evacuate the northern part of the strip are pretty hollow. There are civilians there who cannot evacuate, as the UN pointed out. And there’s nowhere to go. They’re still bombing the southern part.

War crimes aren’t permissible just because it’s “self-defense” and it’s totally disingenuous to say that it’s antisemitic to point that out. Israel doesn’t get a pass on that because they suffered a terrorist attack.

So, if you agree that Hamas is a terrorist entity guilty of war crimes that does not serve the Palestinian people, what should Israel do?

Not commit additional war crimes in its response? Why is this controversial?

Now y’all want mercy? (NP)

Who is “ya’ll”?

I’m an American citizen with relatives in Israel. I— and they— want Israel to conduct themselves better than Hamas.

As a U.S taxpayer I don’t want to see billions in military assistance used to kill children. This, again, is a belief I think is widely held.

I'm sure your relatives would rather stay alive

They don’t feel threatened by Palestinian newborns. More to the point they don’t feel any safer— nor are they any safer— for allowing those newborns to die of thirst.