Option H is permanent and the old Wootton HS campus will be closed for good?

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like this discussion could use some grounding in numbers. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the actual Option H involves:

- 1800 existing Wootton students +
- About 400 additional students
= 2200 students in the Crown building

Is that correct?

No, 1900 Wootton students +500ish in crown/fields road per option table

Again, Fields Road is not at Wootton/Crown in option H.

And again, it makes logical sense for them to go to Crown as it was and still should be their school. It was for them. The gaithersburg community is highly opposed to option H and have made it clear that the only way they might accept it is if fields road is added. Don’t be so focused on what is in option H in written form. There is so much more.

IMO-I think there is literally no chance Wootton moves to Crown. There is simply not enough support for it and it’s making MCPS look so bad (I mean if they could actually look worse).

Gaithersburg was promised a school. It is unfair to take it away for some rich families who are complaining when no other school is offered that.

Oh please, cry me a river! Gaithersburg high is gorgeous compared to Wootton!

Most of our schools are falling apart. Take crown or wait your turn. Simple.

They already say that they will oppose Option H and they will wait for their turns at 2035 without any fuss anymore. So we should let them be.

But they don't want to let Wootton be. They want to forcibly move Wootton to Crown, regardless of what Wootton families want.

No one cares. We care about our taxes going up to pay for all this. If you don’t like crown and refuse to wait your turn for repairs, again, what suggestions for solutions do you have. The condition at many schools is bad but there are ones far worse than Wootton that need priority.

You keep saying this but there is actually only one school in worse condition than Wootton per the actual data. So that is not plural as you keep saying.

No, there are multiple schools they just aren’t complaining.

No, you are wrong. There is an actual rating system MCPS used when the schools are evaluated for problems. And Wootton is the second worst. This is from the BOE-I didn’t make it up.

Those things change depending on when incidents happen. You will be getting repairs, just not starting today. Don’t like it, come up with a better solution or funds to pay for it. You complain but cannot offer a reasonable solution. Why is that?

You know there is more than one poster one here right? I don’t know who you are responding to but all i’m saying is based on how the school system rates the schools condition, Wootton is second on the list as far as the highest rating. Because you keep saying that it is wrong and it is not-it’s based on the data from the BOE.

Anyway-if I had to offer a solution it would be to fix a couple of the really emergent things over the next couple of summers and just stay on the CIP. Which is the same as many people want. Of course you will come back with “there is no money for even the most emergent of repairs” and all i’ll say is somehow when there is a flood or a ceiling collapses at a school it seems money suddenly appears to fix it.

They need to reassess that if ceilings are falling down and widespread flooding that could kill someone.

Immediate emergency fixes isn’t what is being discussed. Wootton is on the list for renewal and you don’t want to wait, nor take crown, so what reasonable solution can you offer that is equitable to other schools?

I already answered you. I don’t have magical answers-just like nobody does. If we have to stay on the CIP and nothing is fixed then so be it.

With all your complaining I would think you could offer funds that could be taken from other things in the budget.

The only way to get all these schools fixed and improved is to do a full line by line audit, cut out the waste, and get real about spending. They should be showing full transparency in spending tax payer money as Taylor and the BOE promised. Instead of fighting over take crown at least temporarily and hold those in charge accountable.

Wootton has had updates and is in line for a major renovation. Other schools are equally bad and not even on the list. Ideally all the old buildings should be torn down and not just fixed as there is no good way to fix a building with mold once it’s in the school which is why I’d jump at crown as it will be hopefully a much healthier environment for everyone.

Again, there is more than one poster-so I don’t know why you seem to think I made all these comments “complaining”. But I don’t disagree that there needs to be major transparency in regards to spending and a full audit.

Save your breath. PP is pro-bussing and just wants to see one less W school.

Then stay at Wootton and stop complaining and wait your turn. Or, call crown Wootton.

No we are not calling Crown Wootton.

Ok, just call it Wootton. Problem solved. Maybe you should kick out any student who has a b average to keep it exclusive? And anyone whose parents don’t earn $400k or more a year.

DP. Envy is a poor way to live your life. If Wootton families don’t want Crown, then leave them alone. You no longer need to worry about how much they earn or anything else about them.

Your arguments seem more about how you feel towards Wootton families. You should ask yourself why you feel this way, especially when it’s not an accurate description of most Wootton families.

It may not be accurate but that’s how you are allowing your school to be represented.

You all keep complaining, we’re given two reasonable solutions, are refusing both, so please share better options?

You realize a parent testified to the board to deny a low income school needed repairs and switch that money to oWootton! Not a good look.

Different PP. But honestly, it seems like you need to get a life. You come across as driven by hatred and jealousy, with nothing better to do than bash Wootton across hundreds of pages

Wootton parents are bashing other families, schools and neighborhoods to keep separate. That’s how all this got started. One even demanded to the BOE to stop a renovation at a low income elementary school for Wootton. You all are in line. Your school per the newspaper has gotten regular improvements. Every school deserves repairs.

You keep posting the same thing on this thread. Wootton families want to be left alone. Fix a few issues (like every other school building) and leave Wootton in place.

But you can’t stand the thought of this. You seem to want to punish Wootton families for their success. Why is that?

Not PP, but certain Wootton posters are in fact bashing other families, schools, and neighborhoods. And it is not a good look.
Make an argument about walkability and a community hub that will become vacant. Those are valid arguments against option H.

The rest? Elitist segregationism and fear-mongering.

One could say the same thing about some of the posts that dismissed walk ability and community hub as a smokescreen for segregation and elitism. I appreciate your not doing so and agreeing those are valid arguments. Unfortunately, there are still those declaring the move to Crown is in the best interests of MCPS, regardless of the effect on Wootton families and a community that has existed for 55 years.

They also ignore concerns about overcrowding and the fact that it will continue to worsen over time if Wootton moves to Crown with so many new development in that area.

Option H, as it exists, leaves over 200 seats unfilled at Crown in 2031-32.

Those numbers are resident students only.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like this discussion could use some grounding in numbers. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the actual Option H involves:

- 1800 existing Wootton students +
- About 400 additional students
= 2200 students in the Crown building

Is that correct?

No, 1900 Wootton students +500ish in crown/fields road per option table

Again, Fields Road is not at Wootton/Crown in option H.

And again, it makes logical sense for them to go to Crown as it was and still should be their school. It was for them. The gaithersburg community is highly opposed to option H and have made it clear that the only way they might accept it is if fields road is added. Don’t be so focused on what is in option H in written form. There is so much more.

IMO-I think there is literally no chance Wootton moves to Crown. There is simply not enough support for it and it’s making MCPS look so bad (I mean if they could actually look worse).

Gaithersburg was promised a school. It is unfair to take it away for some rich families who are complaining when no other school is offered that.

Oh please, cry me a river! Gaithersburg high is gorgeous compared to Wootton!

Most of our schools are falling apart. Take crown or wait your turn. Simple.

They already say that they will oppose Option H and they will wait for their turns at 2035 without any fuss anymore. So we should let them be.

But they don't want to let Wootton be. They want to forcibly move Wootton to Crown, regardless of what Wootton families want.

No one cares. We care about our taxes going up to pay for all this. If you don’t like crown and refuse to wait your turn for repairs, again, what suggestions for solutions do you have. The condition at many schools is bad but there are ones far worse than Wootton that need priority.

You keep saying this but there is actually only one school in worse condition than Wootton per the actual data. So that is not plural as you keep saying.

No, there are multiple schools they just aren’t complaining.

No, you are wrong. There is an actual rating system MCPS used when the schools are evaluated for problems. And Wootton is the second worst. This is from the BOE-I didn’t make it up.

Those things change depending on when incidents happen. You will be getting repairs, just not starting today. Don’t like it, come up with a better solution or funds to pay for it. You complain but cannot offer a reasonable solution. Why is that?

You know there is more than one poster one here right? I don’t know who you are responding to but all i’m saying is based on how the school system rates the schools condition, Wootton is second on the list as far as the highest rating. Because you keep saying that it is wrong and it is not-it’s based on the data from the BOE.

Anyway-if I had to offer a solution it would be to fix a couple of the really emergent things over the next couple of summers and just stay on the CIP. Which is the same as many people want. Of course you will come back with “there is no money for even the most emergent of repairs” and all i’ll say is somehow when there is a flood or a ceiling collapses at a school it seems money suddenly appears to fix it.

They need to reassess that if ceilings are falling down and widespread flooding that could kill someone.

Immediate emergency fixes isn’t what is being discussed. Wootton is on the list for renewal and you don’t want to wait, nor take crown, so what reasonable solution can you offer that is equitable to other schools?

I already answered you. I don’t have magical answers-just like nobody does. If we have to stay on the CIP and nothing is fixed then so be it.

With all your complaining I would think you could offer funds that could be taken from other things in the budget.

The only way to get all these schools fixed and improved is to do a full line by line audit, cut out the waste, and get real about spending. They should be showing full transparency in spending tax payer money as Taylor and the BOE promised. Instead of fighting over take crown at least temporarily and hold those in charge accountable.

Wootton has had updates and is in line for a major renovation. Other schools are equally bad and not even on the list. Ideally all the old buildings should be torn down and not just fixed as there is no good way to fix a building with mold once it’s in the school which is why I’d jump at crown as it will be hopefully a much healthier environment for everyone.

Again, there is more than one poster-so I don’t know why you seem to think I made all these comments “complaining”. But I don’t disagree that there needs to be major transparency in regards to spending and a full audit.

Save your breath. PP is pro-bussing and just wants to see one less W school.

Then stay at Wootton and stop complaining and wait your turn. Or, call crown Wootton.

No we are not calling Crown Wootton.

Ok, just call it Wootton. Problem solved. Maybe you should kick out any student who has a b average to keep it exclusive? And anyone whose parents don’t earn $400k or more a year.

DP. Envy is a poor way to live your life. If Wootton families don’t want Crown, then leave them alone. You no longer need to worry about how much they earn or anything else about them.

Your arguments seem more about how you feel towards Wootton families. You should ask yourself why you feel this way, especially when it’s not an accurate description of most Wootton families.

It may not be accurate but that’s how you are allowing your school to be represented.

You all keep complaining, we’re given two reasonable solutions, are refusing both, so please share better options?

You realize a parent testified to the board to deny a low income school needed repairs and switch that money to oWootton! Not a good look.

Different PP. But honestly, it seems like you need to get a life. You come across as driven by hatred and jealousy, with nothing better to do than bash Wootton across hundreds of pages

Wootton parents are bashing other families, schools and neighborhoods to keep separate. That’s how all this got started. One even demanded to the BOE to stop a renovation at a low income elementary school for Wootton. You all are in line. Your school per the newspaper has gotten regular improvements. Every school deserves repairs.

You keep posting the same thing on this thread. Wootton families want to be left alone. Fix a few issues (like every other school building) and leave Wootton in place.

But you can’t stand the thought of this. You seem to want to punish Wootton families for their success. Why is that?

Not PP, but certain Wootton posters are in fact bashing other families, schools, and neighborhoods. And it is not a good look.
Make an argument about walkability and a community hub that will become vacant. Those are valid arguments against option H.

The rest? Elitist segregationism and fear-mongering.

One could say the same thing about some of the posts that dismissed walk ability and community hub as a smokescreen for segregation and elitism. I appreciate your not doing so and agreeing those are valid arguments. Unfortunately, there are still those declaring the move to Crown is in the best interests of MCPS, regardless of the effect on Wootton families and a community that has existed for 55 years.

They also ignore concerns about overcrowding and the fact that it will continue to worsen over time if Wootton moves to Crown with so many new development in that area.

Option H, as it exists, leaves over 200 seats unfilled at Crown in 2031-32.

There is no chance of option H without adding fields road

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like this discussion could use some grounding in numbers. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the actual Option H involves:

- 1800 existing Wootton students +
- About 400 additional students
= 2200 students in the Crown building

Is that correct?

No, 1900 Wootton students +500ish in crown/fields road per option table

Again, Fields Road is not at Wootton/Crown in option H.

And again, it makes logical sense for them to go to Crown as it was and still should be their school. It was for them. The gaithersburg community is highly opposed to option H and have made it clear that the only way they might accept it is if fields road is added. Don’t be so focused on what is in option H in written form. There is so much more.

IMO-I think there is literally no chance Wootton moves to Crown. There is simply not enough support for it and it’s making MCPS look so bad (I mean if they could actually look worse).

Gaithersburg was promised a school. It is unfair to take it away for some rich families who are complaining when no other school is offered that.

Oh please, cry me a river! Gaithersburg high is gorgeous compared to Wootton!

Most of our schools are falling apart. Take crown or wait your turn. Simple.

They already say that they will oppose Option H and they will wait for their turns at 2035 without any fuss anymore. So we should let them be.

But they don't want to let Wootton be. They want to forcibly move Wootton to Crown, regardless of what Wootton families want.

No one cares. We care about our taxes going up to pay for all this. If you don’t like crown and refuse to wait your turn for repairs, again, what suggestions for solutions do you have. The condition at many schools is bad but there are ones far worse than Wootton that need priority.

You keep saying this but there is actually only one school in worse condition than Wootton per the actual data. So that is not plural as you keep saying.

No, there are multiple schools they just aren’t complaining.

No, you are wrong. There is an actual rating system MCPS used when the schools are evaluated for problems. And Wootton is the second worst. This is from the BOE-I didn’t make it up.

Those things change depending on when incidents happen. You will be getting repairs, just not starting today. Don’t like it, come up with a better solution or funds to pay for it. You complain but cannot offer a reasonable solution. Why is that?

You know there is more than one poster one here right? I don’t know who you are responding to but all i’m saying is based on how the school system rates the schools condition, Wootton is second on the list as far as the highest rating. Because you keep saying that it is wrong and it is not-it’s based on the data from the BOE.

Anyway-if I had to offer a solution it would be to fix a couple of the really emergent things over the next couple of summers and just stay on the CIP. Which is the same as many people want. Of course you will come back with “there is no money for even the most emergent of repairs” and all i’ll say is somehow when there is a flood or a ceiling collapses at a school it seems money suddenly appears to fix it.

They need to reassess that if ceilings are falling down and widespread flooding that could kill someone.

Immediate emergency fixes isn’t what is being discussed. Wootton is on the list for renewal and you don’t want to wait, nor take crown, so what reasonable solution can you offer that is equitable to other schools?

I already answered you. I don’t have magical answers-just like nobody does. If we have to stay on the CIP and nothing is fixed then so be it.

With all your complaining I would think you could offer funds that could be taken from other things in the budget.

The only way to get all these schools fixed and improved is to do a full line by line audit, cut out the waste, and get real about spending. They should be showing full transparency in spending tax payer money as Taylor and the BOE promised. Instead of fighting over take crown at least temporarily and hold those in charge accountable.

Wootton has had updates and is in line for a major renovation. Other schools are equally bad and not even on the list. Ideally all the old buildings should be torn down and not just fixed as there is no good way to fix a building with mold once it’s in the school which is why I’d jump at crown as it will be hopefully a much healthier environment for everyone.

Again, there is more than one poster-so I don’t know why you seem to think I made all these comments “complaining”. But I don’t disagree that there needs to be major transparency in regards to spending and a full audit.

Save your breath. PP is pro-bussing and just wants to see one less W school.

Then stay at Wootton and stop complaining and wait your turn. Or, call crown Wootton.

No we are not calling Crown Wootton.

Ok, just call it Wootton. Problem solved. Maybe you should kick out any student who has a b average to keep it exclusive? And anyone whose parents don’t earn $400k or more a year.

DP. Envy is a poor way to live your life. If Wootton families don’t want Crown, then leave them alone. You no longer need to worry about how much they earn or anything else about them.

Your arguments seem more about how you feel towards Wootton families. You should ask yourself why you feel this way, especially when it’s not an accurate description of most Wootton families.

It may not be accurate but that’s how you are allowing your school to be represented.

You all keep complaining, we’re given two reasonable solutions, are refusing both, so please share better options?

You realize a parent testified to the board to deny a low income school needed repairs and switch that money to oWootton! Not a good look.

Different PP. But honestly, it seems like you need to get a life. You come across as driven by hatred and jealousy, with nothing better to do than bash Wootton across hundreds of pages

Wootton parents are bashing other families, schools and neighborhoods to keep separate. That’s how all this got started. One even demanded to the BOE to stop a renovation at a low income elementary school for Wootton. You all are in line. Your school per the newspaper has gotten regular improvements. Every school deserves repairs.

You keep posting the same thing on this thread. Wootton families want to be left alone. Fix a few issues (like every other school building) and leave Wootton in place.

But you can’t stand the thought of this. You seem to want to punish Wootton families for their success. Why is that?

Not PP, but certain Wootton posters are in fact bashing other families, schools, and neighborhoods. And it is not a good look.
Make an argument about walkability and a community hub that will become vacant. Those are valid arguments against option H.

The rest? Elitist segregationism and fear-mongering.

One could say the same thing about some of the posts that dismissed walk ability and community hub as a smokescreen for segregation and elitism. I appreciate your not doing so and agreeing those are valid arguments. Unfortunately, there are still those declaring the move to Crown is in the best interests of MCPS, regardless of the effect on Wootton families and a community that has existed for 55 years.

They also ignore concerns about overcrowding and the fact that it will continue to worsen over time if Wootton moves to Crown with so many new development in that area.

Option H, as it exists, leaves over 200 seats unfilled at Crown in 2031-32.

Those numbers are resident students only.

Yes. Like for all the other high schools in the study, the projections are for students within the catchment, with unspecified adjustment at each to account for the 600 projected across Poolesville's magnet catchment area and the 500 projected Seneca Valley's magnet catchment area. How they addressed this for schools like Wootton which currently feed to Blair instead of Poolesville is part of that lack of specification. The net affect of magnet population under a to-be-finalized regional regime also is not captured.

All that said, the Option H projection for Wootton at Crown is 90.1% utilization, third lowest among the schools in the Crown study to Watkins Mill's 85.7% and RM's 89.3%, with Churchill topping utilization at 102.4%.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like this discussion could use some grounding in numbers. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the actual Option H involves:

- 1800 existing Wootton students +
- About 400 additional students
= 2200 students in the Crown building

Is that correct?

No, 1900 Wootton students +500ish in crown/fields road per option table

Again, Fields Road is not at Wootton/Crown in option H.

And again, it makes logical sense for them to go to Crown as it was and still should be their school. It was for them. The gaithersburg community is highly opposed to option H and have made it clear that the only way they might accept it is if fields road is added. Don’t be so focused on what is in option H in written form. There is so much more.

IMO-I think there is literally no chance Wootton moves to Crown. There is simply not enough support for it and it’s making MCPS look so bad (I mean if they could actually look worse).

Gaithersburg was promised a school. It is unfair to take it away for some rich families who are complaining when no other school is offered that.

Oh please, cry me a river! Gaithersburg high is gorgeous compared to Wootton!

Most of our schools are falling apart. Take crown or wait your turn. Simple.

They already say that they will oppose Option H and they will wait for their turns at 2035 without any fuss anymore. So we should let them be.

But they don't want to let Wootton be. They want to forcibly move Wootton to Crown, regardless of what Wootton families want.

No one cares. We care about our taxes going up to pay for all this. If you don’t like crown and refuse to wait your turn for repairs, again, what suggestions for solutions do you have. The condition at many schools is bad but there are ones far worse than Wootton that need priority.

You keep saying this but there is actually only one school in worse condition than Wootton per the actual data. So that is not plural as you keep saying.

No, there are multiple schools they just aren’t complaining.

No, you are wrong. There is an actual rating system MCPS used when the schools are evaluated for problems. And Wootton is the second worst. This is from the BOE-I didn’t make it up.

Those things change depending on when incidents happen. You will be getting repairs, just not starting today. Don’t like it, come up with a better solution or funds to pay for it. You complain but cannot offer a reasonable solution. Why is that?

You know there is more than one poster one here right? I don’t know who you are responding to but all i’m saying is based on how the school system rates the schools condition, Wootton is second on the list as far as the highest rating. Because you keep saying that it is wrong and it is not-it’s based on the data from the BOE.

Anyway-if I had to offer a solution it would be to fix a couple of the really emergent things over the next couple of summers and just stay on the CIP. Which is the same as many people want. Of course you will come back with “there is no money for even the most emergent of repairs” and all i’ll say is somehow when there is a flood or a ceiling collapses at a school it seems money suddenly appears to fix it.

They need to reassess that if ceilings are falling down and widespread flooding that could kill someone.

Immediate emergency fixes isn’t what is being discussed. Wootton is on the list for renewal and you don’t want to wait, nor take crown, so what reasonable solution can you offer that is equitable to other schools?

I already answered you. I don’t have magical answers-just like nobody does. If we have to stay on the CIP and nothing is fixed then so be it.

With all your complaining I would think you could offer funds that could be taken from other things in the budget.

The only way to get all these schools fixed and improved is to do a full line by line audit, cut out the waste, and get real about spending. They should be showing full transparency in spending tax payer money as Taylor and the BOE promised. Instead of fighting over take crown at least temporarily and hold those in charge accountable.

Wootton has had updates and is in line for a major renovation. Other schools are equally bad and not even on the list. Ideally all the old buildings should be torn down and not just fixed as there is no good way to fix a building with mold once it’s in the school which is why I’d jump at crown as it will be hopefully a much healthier environment for everyone.

Again, there is more than one poster-so I don’t know why you seem to think I made all these comments “complaining”. But I don’t disagree that there needs to be major transparency in regards to spending and a full audit.

Save your breath. PP is pro-bussing and just wants to see one less W school.

Then stay at Wootton and stop complaining and wait your turn. Or, call crown Wootton.

No we are not calling Crown Wootton.

Ok, just call it Wootton. Problem solved. Maybe you should kick out any student who has a b average to keep it exclusive? And anyone whose parents don’t earn $400k or more a year.

DP. Envy is a poor way to live your life. If Wootton families don’t want Crown, then leave them alone. You no longer need to worry about how much they earn or anything else about them.

Your arguments seem more about how you feel towards Wootton families. You should ask yourself why you feel this way, especially when it’s not an accurate description of most Wootton families.

It may not be accurate but that’s how you are allowing your school to be represented.

You all keep complaining, we’re given two reasonable solutions, are refusing both, so please share better options?

You realize a parent testified to the board to deny a low income school needed repairs and switch that money to oWootton! Not a good look.

Different PP. But honestly, it seems like you need to get a life. You come across as driven by hatred and jealousy, with nothing better to do than bash Wootton across hundreds of pages

Wootton parents are bashing other families, schools and neighborhoods to keep separate. That’s how all this got started. One even demanded to the BOE to stop a renovation at a low income elementary school for Wootton. You all are in line. Your school per the newspaper has gotten regular improvements. Every school deserves repairs.

You keep posting the same thing on this thread. Wootton families want to be left alone. Fix a few issues (like every other school building) and leave Wootton in place.

But you can’t stand the thought of this. You seem to want to punish Wootton families for their success. Why is that?

Not PP, but certain Wootton posters are in fact bashing other families, schools, and neighborhoods. And it is not a good look.
Make an argument about walkability and a community hub that will become vacant. Those are valid arguments against option H.

The rest? Elitist segregationism and fear-mongering.

One could say the same thing about some of the posts that dismissed walk ability and community hub as a smokescreen for segregation and elitism. I appreciate your not doing so and agreeing those are valid arguments. Unfortunately, there are still those declaring the move to Crown is in the best interests of MCPS, regardless of the effect on Wootton families and a community that has existed for 55 years.

They also ignore concerns about overcrowding and the fact that it will continue to worsen over time if Wootton moves to Crown with so many new development in that area.

Option H, as it exists, leaves over 200 seats unfilled at Crown in 2031-32.

There is no chance of option H without adding fields road

There also is little chance that any overage from adding more to Wootton at Crown, whether Fields Road, Ritchie Park, or a portion/portions thereof, would be left unaddressed in the upcoming ES boundary study. Further changes on the margins to secondary catchments will need to be built into the BOE authorization for that to avoid creating additional split articulations, and MCPS's stated plan already envisions this with, for example, the delay of decision on a SSIMS closure to that time.

There are other possibilities, of course.

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When will we really know when the decision will be made? I just want to know where my kid will switch to after next year.
Middle school is hard enough. Current 5th graders (who spent kindergarten online) will go to one middle school next year and then potentially get switched to a different school for 7th and 8th.

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Update from Wootton PTSA newsletter:

The next opportunity for public testimony is Thursday, January 8 at noon. I know this is a challenging time for many to attend during the work day, but it is important that we fill the hearing room as much as possible. If you are available, please join us at the Board of Education, 15 West Gude Drive, Rockville. Many Wootton families have registered to testify, and we will soon know how many speaking slots were assigned.

During testimony, we will continue to oppose Option H, which would permanently move Wootton to Crown High School. We will also present a theoretical alternative—Option W—which keeps the Wootton cluster together, keeps our school on Wootton Parkway, and urges the Superintendent and Board of Education to add Wootton to the CIP for renovation in the earliest possible timeframe. I personally do not believe the Superintendent or BOE should make an irreversible decision to close Wootton, relocate our students to Crown, and convert our building into a holding school. Under Option H, MCPS and the BOE have not committed to preserving the Wootton name or keeping our cluster intact. After years of deferred maintenance, closing Wootton because the building has deteriorated is not an acceptable solution.

Before winter break, I worked with Dr. Bostic to coordinate a meeting with Mr. Adnan Mamoon (MCPS Chief Operating Officer), BOE Member Laura Stewart, MCCPTA President Brigid Howe, SGA leaders, and PTSA leaders. MCPS has agreed to work with us on short‑term repairs while we continue advocating for a long‑term solution. I am also coordinating a community meeting with Mr. Mamoon later this month.

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For those in the Wootton Cluster advocating for Option "W," it's not clear to me what their option means with regard to which building becomes a holding school for MCPS, which is absolutely needed.

Is Option W advocating for Crown to be that holding school, as Taylor proposed? Is it not taking a stance on that?

If it's the latter, I think that sinks Option W because a secondary holding school is absolutely necessary for all of the schools currently in and likely to be moved into the CIP.

Also, if Wootton is advocating to be included in the CIP, who are they advocating be bumped out? I'm not seeing how they're creating leverage with Option W. It just basically seems like the Wootton Cluster wants its cake and to eat it too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When will we really know when the decision will be made? I just want to know where my kid will switch to after next year.
Middle school is hard enough. Current 5th graders (who spent kindergarten online) will go to one middle school next year and then potentially get switched to a different school for 7th and 8th.

The vote is scheduled to be at the March 26th BOE meeting.

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Anonymous wrote:For those in the Wootton Cluster advocating for Option "W," it's not clear to me what their option means with regard to which building becomes a holding school for MCPS, which is absolutely needed.

Is Option W advocating for Crown to be that holding school, as Taylor proposed? Is it not taking a stance on that?

If it's the latter, I think that sinks Option W because a secondary holding school is absolutely necessary for all of the schools currently in and likely to be moved into the CIP.

Also, if Wootton is advocating to be included in the CIP, who are they advocating be bumped out? I'm not seeing how they're creating leverage with Option W. It just basically seems like the Wootton Cluster wants its cake and to eat it too.

Wootton does not want to serve as a holding school. That position is independent of whether MCPS ultimately designates Crown as a holding school. Framing this as a black-and-white choice oversimplifies the situation. Taylor is already exploring a P3 model for school renovations, which makes it possible for two or even three schools to be renovated at the same time

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Anonymous wrote:For those in the Wootton Cluster advocating for Option "W," it's not clear to me what their option means with regard to which building becomes a holding school for MCPS, which is absolutely needed.

Is Option W advocating for Crown to be that holding school, as Taylor proposed? Is it not taking a stance on that?

If it's the latter, I think that sinks Option W because a secondary holding school is absolutely necessary for all of the schools currently in and likely to be moved into the CIP.

Also, if Wootton is advocating to be included in the CIP, who are they advocating be bumped out? I'm not seeing how they're creating leverage with Option W. It just basically seems like the Wootton Cluster wants its cake and to eat it too.

Wootton does not want to serve as a holding school. That position is independent of whether MCPS ultimately designates Crown as a holding school. Framing this as a black-and-white choice oversimplifies the situation. Taylor is already exploring a P3 model for school renovations, which makes it possible for two or even three schools to be renovated at the same time

You are kidding yourself if you think the choice is independent of the Crown decision. In order for Wootton to be added to the CIP as advocated, SOMETHING needs to be removed to add Wootton to the CIP.

MCPS already stated there would be serious savings in time and money if Damascus, which is the only high school currently in the CIP, was able to use Crown as a holding school. It sounds like they might have been willing, based on the Wootton community's advocacy for a safe and modern building, to shift them into Crown and use Wootton as the holding school, but it appears the Wootton community is rejecting that too.

The only other alternative to make Option W happen would be for Wootton to ask for Damascus to be bumped from the current CIP and added in its place. Is that what Option W is asking for? Again, Option W wants to wave a magic wand without making any difficult decisions or tradeoffs but doesn't explain how or why that would be feasible.

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Anonymous wrote:For those in the Wootton Cluster advocating for Option "W," it's not clear to me what their option means with regard to which building becomes a holding school for MCPS, which is absolutely needed.

Is Option W advocating for Crown to be that holding school, as Taylor proposed? Is it not taking a stance on that?

If it's the latter, I think that sinks Option W because a secondary holding school is absolutely necessary for all of the schools currently in and likely to be moved into the CIP.

Also, if Wootton is advocating to be included in the CIP, who are they advocating be bumped out? I'm not seeing how they're creating leverage with Option W. It just basically seems like the Wootton Cluster wants its cake and to eat it too.

Wootton does not want to serve as a holding school. That position is independent of whether MCPS ultimately designates Crown as a holding school. Framing this as a black-and-white choice oversimplifies the situation. Taylor is already exploring a P3 model for school renovations, which makes it possible for two or even three schools to be renovated at the same time

You are kidding yourself if you think the choice is independent of the Crown decision. In order for Wootton to be added to the CIP as advocated, SOMETHING needs to be removed to add Wootton to the CIP.

MCPS already stated there would be serious savings in time and money if Damascus, which is the only high school currently in the CIP, was able to use Crown as a holding school. It sounds like they might have been willing, based on the Wootton community's advocacy for a safe and modern building, to shift them into Crown and use Wootton as the holding school, but it appears the Wootton community is rejecting that too.

The only other alternative to make Option W happen would be for Wootton to ask for Damascus to be bumped from the current CIP and added in its place. Is that what Option W is asking for? Again, Option W wants to wave a magic wand without making any difficult decisions or tradeoffs but doesn't explain how or why that would be feasible.

You seem confused. Damascus is already on the CIP first in line. Wootton is not any closer to Damascus than Crown is. They can use Crown as a holding school. We aren’t advocating to push Damascus out. We are advocating for the short term emergency repairs that won’t require us to use a holding school. and then wait our turn on the CIP for the larger scale renovation.

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Anonymous wrote:For those in the Wootton Cluster advocating for Option "W," it's not clear to me what their option means with regard to which building becomes a holding school for MCPS, which is absolutely needed.

Is Option W advocating for Crown to be that holding school, as Taylor proposed? Is it not taking a stance on that?

If it's the latter, I think that sinks Option W because a secondary holding school is absolutely necessary for all of the schools currently in and likely to be moved into the CIP.

Also, if Wootton is advocating to be included in the CIP, who are they advocating be bumped out? I'm not seeing how they're creating leverage with Option W. It just basically seems like the Wootton Cluster wants its cake and to eat it too.

Wootton does not want to serve as a holding school. That position is independent of whether MCPS ultimately designates Crown as a holding school. Framing this as a black-and-white choice oversimplifies the situation. Taylor is already exploring a P3 model for school renovations, which makes it possible for two or even three schools to be renovated at the same time

You are kidding yourself if you think the choice is independent of the Crown decision. In order for Wootton to be added to the CIP as advocated, SOMETHING needs to be removed to add Wootton to the CIP.

MCPS already stated there would be serious savings in time and money if Damascus, which is the only high school currently in the CIP, was able to use Crown as a holding school. It sounds like they might have been willing, based on the Wootton community's advocacy for a safe and modern building, to shift them into Crown and use Wootton as the holding school, but it appears the Wootton community is rejecting that too.

The only other alternative to make Option W happen would be for Wootton to ask for Damascus to be bumped from the current CIP and added in its place. Is that what Option W is asking for? Again, Option W wants to wave a magic wand without making any difficult decisions or tradeoffs but doesn't explain how or why that would be feasible.

You seem confused. Damascus is already on the CIP first in line. Wootton is not any closer to Damascus than Crown is. They can use Crown as a holding school. We aren’t advocating to push Damascus out. We are advocating for the short term emergency repairs that won’t require us to use a holding school. and then wait our turn on the CIP for the larger scale renovation.

So you want two bites at the apple. Again, from an advocacy perspective, I'm not sure how that makes sense where there are finite resources, declining enrollments and increasing costs for construction.

How much would the short-term emergency repairs be? And does it make sense to do a emergency repairs and then a large scale renovation both? Or does Wootton need to be a complete teardown and rebuild?

Has the Wootton Cluster done the homework behind its Option W to make a compelling case here? Based on what I've seen thus far, not so much.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like this discussion could use some grounding in numbers. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the actual Option H involves:

- 1800 existing Wootton students +
- About 400 additional students
= 2200 students in the Crown building

Is that correct?

No, 1900 Wootton students +500ish in crown/fields road per option table

Again, Fields Road is not at Wootton/Crown in option H.

And again, it makes logical sense for them to go to Crown as it was and still should be their school. It was for them. The gaithersburg community is highly opposed to option H and have made it clear that the only way they might accept it is if fields road is added. Don’t be so focused on what is in option H in written form. There is so much more.

IMO-I think there is literally no chance Wootton moves to Crown. There is simply not enough support for it and it’s making MCPS look so bad (I mean if they could actually look worse).

Gaithersburg was promised a school. It is unfair to take it away for some rich families who are complaining when no other school is offered that.

Oh please, cry me a river! Gaithersburg high is gorgeous compared to Wootton!

Most of our schools are falling apart. Take crown or wait your turn. Simple.

They already say that they will oppose Option H and they will wait for their turns at 2035 without any fuss anymore. So we should let them be.

But they don't want to let Wootton be. They want to forcibly move Wootton to Crown, regardless of what Wootton families want.

No one cares. We care about our taxes going up to pay for all this. If you don’t like crown and refuse to wait your turn for repairs, again, what suggestions for solutions do you have. The condition at many schools is bad but there are ones far worse than Wootton that need priority.

You keep saying this but there is actually only one school in worse condition than Wootton per the actual data. So that is not plural as you keep saying.

No, there are multiple schools they just aren’t complaining.

No, you are wrong. There is an actual rating system MCPS used when the schools are evaluated for problems. And Wootton is the second worst. This is from the BOE-I didn’t make it up.

Those things change depending on when incidents happen. You will be getting repairs, just not starting today. Don’t like it, come up with a better solution or funds to pay for it. You complain but cannot offer a reasonable solution. Why is that?

You know there is more than one poster one here right? I don’t know who you are responding to but all i’m saying is based on how the school system rates the schools condition, Wootton is second on the list as far as the highest rating. Because you keep saying that it is wrong and it is not-it’s based on the data from the BOE.

Anyway-if I had to offer a solution it would be to fix a couple of the really emergent things over the next couple of summers and just stay on the CIP. Which is the same as many people want. Of course you will come back with “there is no money for even the most emergent of repairs” and all i’ll say is somehow when there is a flood or a ceiling collapses at a school it seems money suddenly appears to fix it.

They need to reassess that if ceilings are falling down and widespread flooding that could kill someone.

Immediate emergency fixes isn’t what is being discussed. Wootton is on the list for renewal and you don’t want to wait, nor take crown, so what reasonable solution can you offer that is equitable to other schools?

I already answered you. I don’t have magical answers-just like nobody does. If we have to stay on the CIP and nothing is fixed then so be it.

With all your complaining I would think you could offer funds that could be taken from other things in the budget.

The only way to get all these schools fixed and improved is to do a full line by line audit, cut out the waste, and get real about spending. They should be showing full transparency in spending tax payer money as Taylor and the BOE promised. Instead of fighting over take crown at least temporarily and hold those in charge accountable.

Wootton has had updates and is in line for a major renovation. Other schools are equally bad and not even on the list. Ideally all the old buildings should be torn down and not just fixed as there is no good way to fix a building with mold once it’s in the school which is why I’d jump at crown as it will be hopefully a much healthier environment for everyone.

Again, there is more than one poster-so I don’t know why you seem to think I made all these comments “complaining”. But I don’t disagree that there needs to be major transparency in regards to spending and a full audit.

Save your breath. PP is pro-bussing and just wants to see one less W school.

Then stay at Wootton and stop complaining and wait your turn. Or, call crown Wootton.

No we are not calling Crown Wootton.

Ok, just call it Wootton. Problem solved. Maybe you should kick out any student who has a b average to keep it exclusive? And anyone whose parents don’t earn $400k or more a year.

DP. Envy is a poor way to live your life. If Wootton families don’t want Crown, then leave them alone. You no longer need to worry about how much they earn or anything else about them.

Your arguments seem more about how you feel towards Wootton families. You should ask yourself why you feel this way, especially when it’s not an accurate description of most Wootton families.

It may not be accurate but that’s how you are allowing your school to be represented.

You all keep complaining, we’re given two reasonable solutions, are refusing both, so please share better options?

You realize a parent testified to the board to deny a low income school needed repairs and switch that money to oWootton! Not a good look.

Different PP. But honestly, it seems like you need to get a life. You come across as driven by hatred and jealousy, with nothing better to do than bash Wootton across hundreds of pages

Wootton parents are bashing other families, schools and neighborhoods to keep separate. That’s how all this got started. One even demanded to the BOE to stop a renovation at a low income elementary school for Wootton. You all are in line. Your school per the newspaper has gotten regular improvements. Every school deserves repairs.

You keep posting the same thing on this thread. Wootton families want to be left alone. Fix a few issues (like every other school building) and leave Wootton in place.

But you can’t stand the thought of this. You seem to want to punish Wootton families for their success. Why is that?

Equity demands that the W schools be dismantled. They're too far ahead.

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Anonymous wrote:For those in the Wootton Cluster advocating for Option "W," it's not clear to me what their option means with regard to which building becomes a holding school for MCPS, which is absolutely needed.

Is Option W advocating for Crown to be that holding school, as Taylor proposed? Is it not taking a stance on that?

If it's the latter, I think that sinks Option W because a secondary holding school is absolutely necessary for all of the schools currently in and likely to be moved into the CIP.

Also, if Wootton is advocating to be included in the CIP, who are they advocating be bumped out? I'm not seeing how they're creating leverage with Option W. It just basically seems like the Wootton Cluster wants its cake and to eat it too.

Wootton does not want to serve as a holding school. That position is independent of whether MCPS ultimately designates Crown as a holding school. Framing this as a black-and-white choice oversimplifies the situation. Taylor is already exploring a P3 model for school renovations, which makes it possible for two or even three schools to be renovated at the same time

You are kidding yourself if you think the choice is independent of the Crown decision. In order for Wootton to be added to the CIP as advocated, SOMETHING needs to be removed to add Wootton to the CIP.

MCPS already stated there would be serious savings in time and money if Damascus, which is the only high school currently in the CIP, was able to use Crown as a holding school. It sounds like they might have been willing, based on the Wootton community's advocacy for a safe and modern building, to shift them into Crown and use Wootton as the holding school, but it appears the Wootton community is rejecting that too.

The only other alternative to make Option W happen would be for Wootton to ask for Damascus to be bumped from the current CIP and added in its place. Is that what Option W is asking for? Again, Option W wants to wave a magic wand without making any difficult decisions or tradeoffs but doesn't explain how or why that would be feasible.

You seem confused. Damascus is already on the CIP first in line. Wootton is not any closer to Damascus than Crown is. They can use Crown as a holding school. We aren’t advocating to push Damascus out. We are advocating for the short term emergency repairs that won’t require us to use a holding school. and then wait our turn on the CIP for the larger scale renovation.

So you want two bites at the apple. Again, from an advocacy perspective, I'm not sure how that makes sense where there are finite resources, declining enrollments and increasing costs for construction.

How much would the short-term emergency repairs be? And does it make sense to do a emergency repairs and then a large scale renovation both? Or does Wootton need to be a complete teardown and rebuild?

Has the Wootton Cluster done the homework behind its Option W to make a compelling case here? Based on what I've seen thus far, not so much.

I tend to agree. Wootton wants repairs but doesn’t want to use a holding school? Do you think the other schools like Damascus WANT to move to a holding school for repairs? You’ll need to craft a better argument here.

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Anonymous wrote:For those in the Wootton Cluster advocating for Option "W," it's not clear to me what their option means with regard to which building becomes a holding school for MCPS, which is absolutely needed.

Is Option W advocating for Crown to be that holding school, as Taylor proposed? Is it not taking a stance on that?

If it's the latter, I think that sinks Option W because a secondary holding school is absolutely necessary for all of the schools currently in and likely to be moved into the CIP.

Also, if Wootton is advocating to be included in the CIP, who are they advocating be bumped out? I'm not seeing how they're creating leverage with Option W. It just basically seems like the Wootton Cluster wants its cake and to eat it too.

Wootton does not want to serve as a holding school. That position is independent of whether MCPS ultimately designates Crown as a holding school. Framing this as a black-and-white choice oversimplifies the situation. Taylor is already exploring a P3 model for school renovations, which makes it possible for two or even three schools to be renovated at the same time

You are kidding yourself if you think the choice is independent of the Crown decision. In order for Wootton to be added to the CIP as advocated, SOMETHING needs to be removed to add Wootton to the CIP.

MCPS already stated there would be serious savings in time and money if Damascus, which is the only high school currently in the CIP, was able to use Crown as a holding school. It sounds like they might have been willing, based on the Wootton community's advocacy for a safe and modern building, to shift them into Crown and use Wootton as the holding school, but it appears the Wootton community is rejecting that too.

The only other alternative to make Option W happen would be for Wootton to ask for Damascus to be bumped from the current CIP and added in its place. Is that what Option W is asking for? Again, Option W wants to wave a magic wand without making any difficult decisions or tradeoffs but doesn't explain how or why that would be feasible.

Wootton isn’t even included in the CIP, and the boundary study isn’t going to put Wootton into the CIP either, so I don’t see your point. Framing Crown as a holding school as if it’s Wootton’s problem only muddies the water. If Damascus needs a holding school, that’s something Damascus should advocate for. It’s not Wootton’s responsibility to advocate on Damascus’s behalf. Wootton is simply asking to remain where it is and receive an emergency fix for failing components of the building.