Official TJ Admissions Decisions Results for the Class of 2025

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Anonymous wrote:It isn't a meritocracy when only those who can purchase performance-enhancing drugs are judged worthy

Exactly but the preppers will say anything to cling to this unfair advantage. They aren't interested in merit or fairness just clinging to privilege.

That's so correct. Exactly the argument Uber URM (underepresnted medallists) consultant Scotty Boy is making at the Olympics. All this prepping, coaching and privilege that countries like USA have has to come to an end. look at them winning gold medals every Olympics. In basketball, athletics, swimming, gymnastics
How dare they. These preppers. We need to have a South Asian nation with 1.3b people win medals in line with their population percentage. Let's make it happen. Or bring the Olympics down.

Let’s not forget Indonesia. 4th largest population in the world and it doesn’t get nearly the number of medals commensurate with the size of the population. Equity demands Indonesia get 4th largest number of medals or we have to have a fair and equitable lottery system.

India has 4 times of the US population but only got 1 medal so far while USA has 12. How is that fair? But the preppers in the US will do anything to cling to this unfair advantage.

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Anonymous wrote:It isn't a meritocracy when only those who can purchase performance-enhancing drugs are judged worthy

Exactly but the preppers will say anything to cling to this unfair advantage. They aren't interested in merit or fairness just clinging to privilege.

That's so correct. Exactly the argument Uber URM (underepresnted medallists) consultant Scotty Boy is making at the Olympics. All this prepping, coaching and privilege that countries like USA have has to come to an end. look at them winning gold medals every Olympics. In basketball, athletics, swimming, gymnastics
How dare they. These preppers. We need to have a South Asian nation with 1.3b people win medals in line with their population percentage. Let's make it happen. Or bring the Olympics down.

This is incredibly stupid. The idea that there are people who try to equate the Olympics, or professional sports, or anything remotely in that realm to admissions to a damn high school is SO indicative of why there are such deep issues there.

That doesn’t mean it should be disbanded. The product is too good for students who go in with clear eyes and a dedication to enjoying the complete high school experience. But it may be that the biggest thing it needs is a reduction in prestige while maintaining quality.

It is an analogy. Your words are hollow and self serving.

You obviously don't understand or choose not to understand the underlying issues of pushing quotas in the name of equity, removing objective tests and targeting kids who prepare for their goals.

The product is on its way to being destroyed. Scotty has won.

But they’re not analogous. And no one has made a clear argument for why they are.

What’s self-serving is the insistence that exams tell you anything about a student’s ability to contribute to an academic environment. They are a snapshot and nothing more.

Essentially you don't want exams. Got it!

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Anonymous wrote:It isn't a meritocracy when only those who can purchase performance-enhancing drugs are judged worthy

Exactly but the preppers will say anything to cling to this unfair advantage. They aren't interested in merit or fairness just clinging to privilege.

That's so correct. Exactly the argument Uber URM (underepresnted medallists) consultant Scotty Boy is making at the Olympics. All this prepping, coaching and privilege that countries like USA have has to come to an end. look at them winning gold medals every Olympics. In basketball, athletics, swimming, gymnastics
How dare they. These preppers. We need to have a South Asian nation with 1.3b people win medals in line with their population percentage. Let's make it happen. Or bring the Olympics down.

This is incredibly stupid. The idea that there are people who try to equate the Olympics, or professional sports, or anything remotely in that realm to admissions to a damn high school is SO indicative of why there are such deep issues there.

That doesn’t mean it should be disbanded. The product is too good for students who go in with clear eyes and a dedication to enjoying the complete high school experience. But it may be that the biggest thing it needs is a reduction in prestige while maintaining quality.

It is an analogy. Your words are hollow and self serving.

You obviously don't understand or choose not to understand the underlying issues of pushing quotas in the name of equity, removing objective tests and targeting kids who prepare for their goals.

The product is on its way to being destroyed. Scotty has won.

But they’re not analogous. And no one has made a clear argument for why they are.

What’s self-serving is the insistence that exams tell you anything about a student’s ability to contribute to an academic environment. They are a snapshot and nothing more.

Everything is a snapshot in time. Including a medal winning performance, a grade in school, a SAT score. And to say exams don't tell you anything about a student's ability to contribute to an academic environment is incredibly stupid and wrong. To add subjective measures for sole purpose of social engineering and winnowing certain races - now that is the very definition of self serving.

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Anonymous wrote:That evidence is neither necessary nor relevant to the broader point. It’s indisputable that they did better than they would have otherwise. And the exam was graded on a curve with a percentile cutoff. Plus all of the above. You’ve lost the war and your argument is invalid, so I understand the desire to move the goalposts.

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that's obvious to most anyone with common sense

That is not what you sai. You said the students only made the cut because of the prep center and that you know that for a fact. Show us the basis for that "fact".

Also, I, PP above, never said anything about it being a fact. Someone else might have, and that’s fine - there are many pro-reform voices on this board, some of whom have no idea what they’re talking about. The assertion that Curie moved the needle for a large number of students is neither provable nor disprovable, but the circumstantial evidences that it did is OVERWHELMING - and that’s just one prep place out of dozens.

And before anyone climbs on here begging for an investigation: they didn’t commit any crime as far as I know. All they did was play by the rules of a flawed game as far as I know. So the rules changed, in no small part because they shouted from the rooftops that they had 28% of the class of 2024.

This discussion got started because someone posted that the students made the cut only because of prep. Maybe it was you or maybe it was one of the other moron now hiding but take responsibility for what you claim. Where is the evidence students made the cut only because of the prep center?

You’re asking for something that has no value to the discussion. You can keep repeating yourself all you want - you still lost.

Bottom line is this - Curie and places like it exist in one of two realities:

1) They are, often enough, responsible for a substantial number of students moving from “not offered” to “offered”, thus justifying the enormous expenditure of money and time. This reality confers a significant advantage in the TJ admissions process to families able and willing to spend that time and money, and has a chilling effect on students and families who would otherwise be interested, but for whatever reason don’t want to commit this extraordinary amount of additional resources on something that appears to confer that advantage.

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2) They don’t have a significant impact on the admissions process - the kids who get in would have gotten in anyway and no one is excluded from the school by someone who spent these resources - and the existence of TJ has been used as a means for Curie to bilk Indian families out of literally millions of dollars over the years.

There isn’t a third option. And both are reasons to dissolve the market.

SMH it's 2021 and we've reached the point where people are really saying the system should favor people who don't want to spend time on education over those that do.

Working hard is one thing. Paying for strategies to succeed on an exam that basically measures test taking ability is quite another.

I'm not automatically going to assume that you're not a biased hatemonger and that those prep programs don't impart any legitimate intellectual growth.

That’s not a sentence but go off. They’re TJ prep courses. They’re marketed as such.

Last I checked it is, but let's stoop to personal jabs, right? You're assuming that preparing for a test doesn't involve intellectual development.

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Anonymous wrote:It's obvious by now that the "prepping" posters are just straight up lying. They have no evidence or facts to back up their ridiculous accusation that most of TJ students got in because of prepping. They keep saying it because of the racial bias they have. The only fact known is that most of the cheaters caught in the recent college admission scandals are white parents. Prepping is too hard for them, so they hired someone to take the tests.

FCPS shouldn't base its policy based on innuendos or racial biases. It should be based on facts and logic.

White parents also bribed SAT employees to change the SAT scores of their children as well. They deserve maximum prison sentences. I think they are projecting their twisted and guilty conscience on to Asian parents.

Who prepped the most for travel sports (which is legal)? White parents too.

How are travel sports relevant to this conversation at all?

Because we are talking about prepping. When Asians prep, it’s evil and when others prep, it’s enrichment.

There is no equivalency between travel sports and publicly funded elite educational opportunities.

No it has the same effect and it skews admissions heavily in favor of those who do it.

Are you talking about scholarship athletes who compete for the school? Those kids are creating value for the university through what they do on the field, or the court, or whatever. They bring in ticket revenue, donations, alumni engagement….. how many Ls do you want to take today?

DP, but presumably students in schools prepare for eventual employment opportunities in the future, wherein they would be creating value for their future companies based on the what they do in the office, or whatever. They bring in revenue, grants, consulting opportunities.... academics are known for pursing opportunities where the eventual payoff is inferred and delayed.

I'm pretty sure that's what PP was getting at, if you took the time to see things from other people's point of view.

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I ran across an old article posted on critical race theory in FCPS. It is making even more sense now when I am re-reading this article post the changes. I think I am 100% done with TJ. I will not bother applying there for my next kid, which in my opinion would be a loss for TJ!

I have been a true democrat up until this point, but I feel fed up! This administration has disappointed me even more than the previous already!

https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/21/critical-race-theory-permeates-new-student-survey-in-fairfax-public-schools/

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Anonymous wrote:It isn't a meritocracy when only those who can purchase performance-enhancing drugs are judged worthy

Exactly but the preppers will say anything to cling to this unfair advantage. They aren't interested in merit or fairness just clinging to privilege.

That's so correct. Exactly the argument Uber URM (underepresnted medallists) consultant Scotty Boy is making at the Olympics. All this prepping, coaching and privilege that countries like USA have has to come to an end. look at them winning gold medals every Olympics. In basketball, athletics, swimming, gymnastics
How dare they. These preppers. We need to have a South Asian nation with 1.3b people win medals in line with their population percentage. Let's make it happen. Or bring the Olympics down.

Let’s not forget Indonesia. 4th largest population in the world and it doesn’t get nearly the number of medals commensurate with the size of the population. Equity demands Indonesia get 4th largest number of medals or we have to have a fair and equitable lottery system.

India has 4 times of the US population but only got 1 medal so far while USA has 12. How is that fair? But the preppers in the US will do anything to cling to this unfair advantage.

Outside enrichment specifically to game the TJ entrance exam is more like using performance-enhancing drugs. In this context, you're citing both teams prepared for the contest on equal footing. In the case of the TJ entrance exam some wealthier families ensure their kids are coached to write the perfect application essay or given tests that are so remarkably similar to the entrance exam that many claim they had the answers ahead of time. This isn't a fair contest which is important since TJ is paid for with public monies.

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Anonymous wrote:I ran across an old article posted on critical race theory in FCPS. It is making even more sense now when I am re-reading this article post the changes. I think I am 100% done with TJ. I will not bother applying there for my next kid, which in my opinion would be a loss for TJ!

I have been a true democrat up until this point, but I feel fed up! This administration has disappointed me even more than the previous already!

https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/21/critical-race-theory-permeates-new-student-survey-in-fairfax-public-schools/

A true democrat the reads a well-known GOP propaganda site? LOL

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It isn't a meritocracy when only those who can purchase performance-enhancing drugs are judged worthy

Exactly but the preppers will say anything to cling to this unfair advantage. They aren't interested in merit or fairness just clinging to privilege.

Wrong. All they are asking for is merit and fairness.

Test-taking ability is not a skill that indicates merit in STEM.

When it comes to math, that is exactly how it is determined. It’s the ultimate truth - there is a right and wrong answer and you know how to solve it or you don’t. Brilliant minds do well, mediocre minds not so well.

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I ran across an old article posted on critical race theory in FCPS. It is making even more sense now when I am re-reading this article post the changes. I think I am 100% done with TJ. I will not bother applying there for my next kid, which in my opinion would be a loss for TJ!

I have been a true democrat up until this point, but I feel fed up! This administration has disappointed me even more than the previous already!

https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/21/critical-race...vey-in-fairfax-public-schools/


A true democrat the reads a well-known GOP propaganda site? LOL

Yep! I read everything and decide from evidence with eyes and ears open.

When people feel the burn, it is no longer just a propaganda!

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Anonymous wrote:It's obvious by now that the "prepping" posters are just straight up lying. They have no evidence or facts to back up their ridiculous accusation that most of TJ students got in because of prepping. They keep saying it because of the racial bias they have. The only fact known is that most of the cheaters caught in the recent college admission scandals are white parents. Prepping is too hard for them, so they hired someone to take the tests.

FCPS shouldn't base its policy based on innuendos or racial biases. It should be based on facts and logic.

White parents also bribed SAT employees to change the SAT scores of their children as well. They deserve maximum prison sentences. I think they are projecting their twisted and guilty conscience on to Asian parents.

Who prepped the most for travel sports (which is legal)? White parents too.

How are travel sports relevant to this conversation at all?

Because we are talking about prepping. When Asians prep, it’s evil and when others prep, it’s enrichment.

There is no equivalency between travel sports and publicly funded elite educational opportunities.

No it has the same effect and it skews admissions heavily in favor of those who do it.

Are you talking about scholarship athletes who compete for the school? Those kids are creating value for the university through what they do on the field, or the court, or whatever. They bring in ticket revenue, donations, alumni engagement….. how many Ls do you want to take today?

DP, but presumably students in schools prepare for eventual employment opportunities in the future, wherein they would be creating value for their future companies based on the what they do in the office, or whatever. They bring in revenue, grants, consulting opportunities.... academics are known for pursing opportunities where the eventual payoff is inferred and delayed.

I'm pretty sure that's what PP was getting at, if you took the time to see things from other people's point of view.

Yes, but the athletes provide value to the school directly. If you took the time to look at the situation from the school’s point of view, you’d get that.

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I ran across an old article posted on critical race theory in FCPS. It is making even more sense now when I am re-reading this article post the changes. I think I am 100% done with TJ. I will not bother applying there for my next kid, which in my opinion would be a loss for TJ!

I have been a true democrat up until this point, but I feel fed up! This administration has disappointed me even more than the previous already!

https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/21/critical-race...vey-in-fairfax-public-schools/


A true democrat the reads a well-known GOP propaganda site? LOL

Yep! I read everything and decide from evidence with eyes and ears open.

When people feel the burn, it is no longer just a propaganda!

More like when they tell you what you want to hear, you become a shill.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It isn't a meritocracy when only those who can purchase performance-enhancing drugs are judged worthy

Exactly but the preppers will say anything to cling to this unfair advantage. They aren't interested in merit or fairness just clinging to privilege.

Wrong. All they are asking for is merit and fairness.

The admission process is all rigged. Students from crappy schools with below 3.5 gpa got accepted. oh that's right... diversity..

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It isn't a meritocracy when only those who can purchase performance-enhancing drugs are judged worthy

Exactly but the preppers will say anything to cling to this unfair advantage. They aren't interested in merit or fairness just clinging to privilege.

Wrong. All they are asking for is merit and fairness.

Test-taking ability is not a skill that indicates merit in STEM.

When it comes to math, that is exactly how it is determined. It’s the ultimate truth - there is a right and wrong answer and you know how to solve it or you don’t. Brilliant minds do well, mediocre minds not so well.

Mediocre minds can be trained to perform extremely well on the Quant-Q by paying for the tricks that brilliant minds come up with on their own - which is the point of the exam.

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Anonymous wrote:It isn't a meritocracy when only those who can purchase performance-enhancing drugs are judged worthy

Exactly but the preppers will say anything to cling to this unfair advantage. They aren't interested in merit or fairness just clinging to privilege.

Wrong. All they are asking for is merit and fairness.

The admission process is all rigged. Students from crappy schools with below 3.5 gpa got accepted. oh that's right... diversity..

How Trumpy of you