Trump wanted to release immigration detainees onto the streets of “sanctuary cities"

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Anonymous wrote:The nimbyism in this thread is breathtaking.

Yes, the MoCo teacher definitely doesn’t want any more brown kids in her class.

Who does?

The non-racists.

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My kids attend “these schools”. 60% of my kids’ ES is ESOL. We have a high FARMS rate. And you know what? It’s a great school. My kids are thriving. These newcomers have families who work hard - some with multiple jobs - and are invested in education. They love being in this country. These are the kids who will grow up to be contributors to their communities and this country, just like generations of immigrant children before them.

As a tax payer, this “support” doesn’t bother me. These are future teachers, doctors, plumbers, scientists. They’ll give back.

You know what does bother me in terms of freeloading? When taxpayers have to subsidize the healthcare and food intake for workers at incredibly wealthy companies like Wal Mart because the company pays people working full time dirt wages. Or tax cuts for billionaires who mine federal subsidies and tax payer paid infrastructure to build riches. That’s the kind of corporate welfare that every American should be outraged by because there is very little “trickle down” or benefit to anyone beyond a select number of shareholders.

But Trump and the GOP have very effectively kept their base focused on the “outrage” of desperate Latinos fleeing poverty and violence in Central America. Never mind that most illegal immigrants in this country are here because they overstayed their visas and came here through airports, not the southern border. Hence 54+ pages of this thread...

Have you monitored the attendance and drop out rate of FARMs students? By the time many hit secondary schools, grades and attendance fall and graduation is questionable.

This is a good article which talks about the truth behind the numbers - source.org/2017/poverty-poses-obstacle-to-100-percent-graduation-rate-expert-says/589190
Until poverty eliminated, schools won't graduate 100 percent of students, expert says

It focuses on CA, but we all know we have mini CAs in our area. And CA was mentioned as one of the "welcoming" states.

Russell Rumberger, a professor emeritus at UC Santa Barbara who directs the California Dropout Research Project, said poverty is too big an obstacle for some students to overcome. Although the graduation rate has increased, more than 50,000 students drop out of high school each year, he said.

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Rumberger said Latino and other student groups who have historically lagged behind have made “remarkable” graduation gains, but he cautioned that “a high school diploma is really a blunt instrument and it doesn’t really tell us too much about what a student has learned.”

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One of the concerns he wants to explore further is the rising use of “credit recovery” or online courses that students are taking in some districts, including Los Angeles Unified, to make up for more traditional semester-long courses that students may have failed.

“The rigor of that (credit recovery courses) is questionable,” he said, adding that districts still have a lot of discretion in what they require of students before giving them diplomas.

So your perspective is limited. I hate to burst your bubble. The information presented in this article only reinforces what's happening in our local schools.

It ain't working.

You are conflating issues of poverty, the achievement gap, and neglect of public schools in the US - and the articles you’re referencing do, too. Sorry to burst your bubble, but the issue of graduation rates isn’t isolated to new immigrants and LA’s Unified School District is unique in multiple ways that I don’t have time or energy to list for you - it can’t be extrapolated to signal “dangers” of high immigrant school children. Do your research. Dunning Kruger effect on full display in your post.

ODG. The Dunning-Kruger poster is back!

Sounds like you get called out for being an idiot frequently.

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Anonymous wrote:Listened to a local NPR affiliated radio station this morning and a political analyst said Democrats have no platform on immigration (just as republicans don’t have one on healthcare).

Ok turns out it was Politico senior writer Jake Sherman, so maybe not progressive enough...

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Anonymous wrote:It's funny that Trumpkins are delighted at the thought of "punishing" sanctuary cities by sending illegal immigrants to us ...

You do realize that sanctuary cities are by and large cities where immigrants - both legal and illegal - ALREADY live. They are already here. And many of our communities are rallying to make it possible for them to live their fullest lives and become contributors to our regions. It's not a punishment - it's the American way.

Exactly - it’s NOT a punishment. So why are Democrats so very outraged?? They should be tickled pink.

For the 100000th time...

It’s not that Dems think it’s a punishment, it’s that Trump and Miller sat down to think of a way to punish Dems for the ICE funding for beds. Trump thinks it’s a punishment he can inflict on Dems in retaliation for budget negotiations.

I think he should go ahead with his plan. If ICE doesn’t have the funds for the buses he should loan out his campaign buses and take full credit for his plan. It would certainly make him look like a compassionate guy.

Yes, we know - you've repeated your spiel for the 100000th time. The point you seem to be deliberately avoiding is: SO WHAT if Trump thought it would be a "punishment"? Many of you have repeatedly said it would *not* be a punishment to receive these immigrants. Though I question how many of you actually live in the targeted sanctuary cities - easy for you to say how much they'd be welcome if you're not even living there.

Finally, what's your explanation as to why Democrats refused funding for ICE beds? If beds are needed, why are they not being funded by the very people who insist these migrants are so welcome here?

POTUS planning punishment for citizens of the his own country is OK in your books?? Seriously???

Oh, for crying out loud. You are completely unable to carry on a normal conversation. The fact is: sanctuary cities (and Democrats in general) are insisting this would be no punishment at all for them, and that they would happily welcome a large influx of immigrants. It's not as if they've announced that it *would* be a punishment. So if they're assuring the country that it's no problem for them, then we should take them at their word. Can even a tiny part of your brain comprehend this, or are you going to continue beating this into the ground?

I agree with that PP - the POTUS sitting down to brainstorm ways to punish US citizens over budget negotiations is deplorable. But I guess that what ya’ll like about him. You certainly have no issue with it.

Here's a question that still hasn't been answered (since you brought up budget negotiations): why did Democrats deny funding for more ICE beds? Riddle me that.

I’ll gladly answer after 46 pages of deflection.

It was asked many pages back, and we're still waiting for our answer - which you don't have.

“Why do you care? It doesn’t matter WHY Dems deny funding.” Isn’t that your line?

So no answer. It's reprehensible that the very people saying immigrants are welcome here aren't even approving funding for much-needed beds. Then don't complain when these immigrants are put on buses and either a) deported or b) delivered to sanctuary cities. Serves you right.

Sorry, I need 46 pages before I’ll answer. What page did you first ask?

No worries, the answer is clear as day. Democrats refused funding for more ICE beds because every one of you is a huge hypocrite. Speaking of doing something purely out of spite - that would be Democrats to a t. We have our answer.

But but but...”the intent doesn’t matter”...

46 f#cking pages. Pathetic.

Ah, so you agree that Democrats withheld the funding purely out of spite. Interesting that you accuse Trump of doing what the Democrats DID FIRST.

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I think Trump's instincts are funny. Everything is about conflict with that imbecile...you're either my enemy or my friend/sycophant. And if you're my enemy I'm going to do everything I can to punish you. He's a blunt, dull instrument/

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Anonymous wrote:If it wasn’t Trumps idea, would sending people to the sanctuary cities be considered a punishment on the residents of those cities?

In other words, if this had been a Dem's idea, how would liberals be reacting to this measure?

great question

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DP. I pointed this out earlier in the thread. If AOC, for instance, had come up with this idea, liberals would be praising her to the heavens. The only variable here is that it was Trump's idea - and so it must be shot down immediately, preferably with as much outrage as possible.

Take the politics out of it and it bocomes a simple question.

Is relocating these people to the sanctuary cities a punishment or not? If so, what’s the point of sanctuary cities? If not, what’s the problem?

Why are you so fixated on “punishment”? Seek help for your anger issues.

I don’t think it’s a punishment. Others here keep saying it is, I’m asking why they think that.

Why do you care what random internet people think more than what the POTUS thinks?

Because what he thinks is irrelevant. If he thinks it’s a great idea, does it suddenly become a great idea.

It’s a simple question.

Is relocating these people to the sanctuary cities a punishment or not? If so, what’s the point of sanctuary cities? If not, what’s the problem?

Sad that people don’t care what the POTUS thinks now. I guess that’s what happens you morons put a POS in office.

Your question has been asked and answered dozens of time.

It really hasn't been answered.

I know I responded to this issue by stating that I don't care how Trump comes across. What he's said (although ICE pushed back) ruffled liberal feathers. The attack was on Trump's lack of concern for the Democratic party and for the illegal immigrants "rehoming."

Conservatives and moderates (which include Ind like me) have been preaching about filling an 8 oz glass with 12 oz. We all know that doesn't work. But while some Ds have been claiming that they want to restructure the immigration protocols, nothing concrete has been offered. Let's see detailed plans from D candidates. If the best they can do is talk about technology - e-Verify, for example - then they're toast.

Furthermore, the lack of awareness regarding how all issues are interconnected is astonishing. You want to vote for healthcare? That's affected by illegal immigrants using the system. (And I posted an article detailing how.) You want to decrease taxes? I don't know how that will happen either, as public services are funded by our taxes. When the need for social services increases b/c more people are entering illegally, guess who's paying? Education is your focus? ha! Public funding for education is an allocation that is manipulated by each system and each school, and the money flows toward the needs. So when your average student is ignored and not pushed to excel, don't cry.

There will come a point where people, the most liberal leaning, will begin to push back when their back yards are affected. It's all good on television until it becomes reality TV.

THIS x a million. Well said.

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Trump has the cojones to deal with the Latin issue.

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Anonymous wrote:The nimbyism in this thread is breathtaking.

Yes, the MoCo teacher definitely doesn’t want any more brown kids in her class.

Not the PP you’re referring to but I’m not reading NIMBYism. There are liberal posters who are supportive of immigrants in their communities; there are clearly conservative/Trump supporters who aren’t and never will be. The latter isn’t NIMBYism, it’s xenophobia.

DP, sorry - you're wrong. I haven't heard *anyone* say they're against legal immigration. Please stop conflating legal with ILLEGAL immigration and calling those of us who oppose illegal immigration, "xenophobes."

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Anonymous wrote:Wow! Trump is busing asylum applicants to sanctuary cities. He is gross to use the poor people as pawns.

You don't sound very bright.

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My kids attend “these schools”. 60% of my kids’ ES is ESOL. We have a high FARMS rate. And you know what? It’s a great school. My kids are thriving. These newcomers have families who work hard - some with multiple jobs - and are invested in education. They love being in this country. These are the kids who will grow up to be contributors to their communities and this country, just like generations of immigrant children before them.

As a tax payer, this “support” doesn’t bother me. These are future teachers, doctors, plumbers, scientists. They’ll give back.

You know what does bother me in terms of freeloading? When taxpayers have to subsidize the healthcare and food intake for workers at incredibly wealthy companies like Wal Mart because the company pays people working full time dirt wages. Or tax cuts for billionaires who mine federal subsidies and tax payer paid infrastructure to build riches. That’s the kind of corporate welfare that every American should be outraged by because there is very little “trickle down” or benefit to anyone beyond a select number of shareholders.

But Trump and the GOP have very effectively kept their base focused on the “outrage” of desperate Latinos fleeing poverty and violence in Central America. Never mind that most illegal immigrants in this country are here because they overstayed their visas and came here through airports, not the southern border. Hence 54+ pages of this thread...

Have you monitored the attendance and drop out rate of FARMs students? By the time many hit secondary schools, grades and attendance fall and graduation is questionable.

This is a good article which talks about the truth behind the numbers - source.org/2017/poverty-poses-obstacle-to-100-percent-graduation-rate-expert-says/589190
Until poverty eliminated, schools won't graduate 100 percent of students, expert says

It focuses on CA, but we all know we have mini CAs in our area. And CA was mentioned as one of the "welcoming" states.

Russell Rumberger, a professor emeritus at UC Santa Barbara who directs the California Dropout Research Project, said poverty is too big an obstacle for some students to overcome. Although the graduation rate has increased, more than 50,000 students drop out of high school each year, he said.

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Rumberger said Latino and other student groups who have historically lagged behind have made “remarkable” graduation gains, but he cautioned that “a high school diploma is really a blunt instrument and it doesn’t really tell us too much about what a student has learned.”

. . .

One of the concerns he wants to explore further is the rising use of “credit recovery” or online courses that students are taking in some districts, including Los Angeles Unified, to make up for more traditional semester-long courses that students may have failed.

“The rigor of that (credit recovery courses) is questionable,” he said, adding that districts still have a lot of discretion in what they require of students before giving them diplomas.

So your perspective is limited. I hate to burst your bubble. The information presented in this article only reinforces what's happening in our local schools.

It ain't working.

You are conflating issues of poverty, the achievement gap, and neglect of public schools in the US - and the articles you’re referencing do, too. Sorry to burst your bubble, but the issue of graduation rates isn’t isolated to new immigrants and LA’s Unified School District is unique in multiple ways that I don’t have time or energy to list for you - it can’t be extrapolated to signal “dangers” of high immigrant school children. Do your research. Dunning Kruger effect on full display in your post.

ODG. The Dunning-Kruger poster is back!

+1

I can't take anything the DK poster says seriously. His/her posts are masterpieces of smug, sanctimonious, faux-intellectual nonsense.

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Anonymous wrote:The nimbyism in this thread is breathtaking.

Yes, the MoCo teacher definitely doesn’t want any more brown kids in her class.

Who does?

Not even the most liberal people I know do. I had dinner with some friends recently who are always posting politics on FB. Discussion turned to how there are tons of illegal immigrants at their kids' HS, Herndon, many of whom are between ages 18-21. They said they don't worry because as long as your kids are in Honors or AP courses, there is little to no interaction. Well, isn't lovely? How about all the Gen Ed kids who will, in fact, have to interact and be in classes with adult men?

Exactly. People like that (your liberal friends) are such incredible hypocrites. They "welcome" illegal immigrants, as long as their own precious snowflakes aren't affected. Never mind that *other people's* kids are GREATLY affected!

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My kids attend “these schools”. 60% of my kids’ ES is ESOL. We have a high FARMS rate. And you know what? It’s a great school. My kids are thriving. These newcomers have families who work hard - some with multiple jobs - and are invested in education. They love being in this country. These are the kids who will grow up to be contributors to their communities and this country, just like generations of immigrant children before them.

As a tax payer, this “support” doesn’t bother me. These are future teachers, doctors, plumbers, scientists. They’ll give back.

You know what does bother me in terms of freeloading? When taxpayers have to subsidize the healthcare and food intake for workers at incredibly wealthy companies like Wal Mart because the company pays people working full time dirt wages. Or tax cuts for billionaires who mine federal subsidies and tax payer paid infrastructure to build riches. That’s the kind of corporate welfare that every American should be outraged by because there is very little “trickle down” or benefit to anyone beyond a select number of shareholders.

But Trump and the GOP have very effectively kept their base focused on the “outrage” of desperate Latinos fleeing poverty and violence in Central America. Never mind that most illegal immigrants in this country are here because they overstayed their visas and came here through airports, not the southern border. Hence 54+ pages of this thread...

Have you monitored the attendance and drop out rate of FARMs students? By the time many hit secondary schools, grades and attendance fall and graduation is questionable.

This is a good article which talks about the truth behind the numbers - source.org/2017/poverty-poses-obstacle-to-100-percent-graduation-rate-expert-says/589190
Until poverty eliminated, schools won't graduate 100 percent of students, expert says

It focuses on CA, but we all know we have mini CAs in our area. And CA was mentioned as one of the "welcoming" states.

Russell Rumberger, a professor emeritus at UC Santa Barbara who directs the California Dropout Research Project, said poverty is too big an obstacle for some students to overcome. Although the graduation rate has increased, more than 50,000 students drop out of high school each year, he said.

. . .

Rumberger said Latino and other student groups who have historically lagged behind have made “remarkable” graduation gains, but he cautioned that “a high school diploma is really a blunt instrument and it doesn’t really tell us too much about what a student has learned.”

. . .

One of the concerns he wants to explore further is the rising use of “credit recovery” or online courses that students are taking in some districts, including Los Angeles Unified, to make up for more traditional semester-long courses that students may have failed.

“The rigor of that (credit recovery courses) is questionable,” he said, adding that districts still have a lot of discretion in what they require of students before giving them diplomas.

So your perspective is limited. I hate to burst your bubble. The information presented in this article only reinforces what's happening in our local schools.

It ain't working.

You are conflating issues of poverty, the achievement gap, and neglect of public schools in the US - and the articles you’re referencing do, too. Sorry to burst your bubble, but the issue of graduation rates isn’t isolated to new immigrants and LA’s Unified School District is unique in multiple ways that I don’t have time or energy to list for you - it can’t be extrapolated to signal “dangers” of high immigrant school children. Do your research. Dunning Kruger effect on full display in your post.

ODG. The Dunning-Kruger poster is back!

Sounds like you get called out for being an idiot frequently.

Seems like being called out for thinking you know more than you do hit a nerve for you and a couple of other posters. Lol!

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Anonymous wrote:I think Trump's instincts are funny. Everything is about conflict with that imbecile...you're either my enemy or my friend/sycophant. And if you're my enemy I'm going to do everything I can to punish you. He's a blunt, dull instrument/

Sounds like liberals. You either agree with the entire liberal platform, or you're a Trumpster. No in-between. Which is why Democrats are probably going to lose again in 2020. Normal people are tired of their BS.

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Anonymous wrote:I think Trump's instincts are funny. Everything is about conflict with that imbecile...you're either my enemy or my friend/sycophant. And if you're my enemy I'm going to do everything I can to punish you. He's a blunt, dull instrument/

Sounds like liberals. You either agree with the entire liberal platform, or you're a Trumpster. No in-between. Which is why Democrats are probably going to lose again in 2020. Normal people are tired of their BS.

This exactly. Guaranteed.

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Anonymous wrote:The nimbyism in this thread is breathtaking.

Yes, the MoCo teacher definitely doesn’t want any more brown kids in her class.

Not the PP you’re referring to but I’m not reading NIMBYism. There are liberal posters who are supportive of immigrants in their communities; there are clearly conservative/Trump supporters who aren’t and never will be. The latter isn’t NIMBYism, it’s xenophobia.

DP, sorry - you're wrong. I haven't heard *anyone* say they're against legal immigration. Please stop conflating legal with ILLEGAL immigration and calling those of us who oppose illegal immigration, "xenophobes."

+100

I am a LEGAL immigrant and I am completely and totally anti-illegal immigration.

People on the left want to make them seem interchangeable, but they are not.

I support LEGAL immigration. Not ILLEGAL immigration.