Trump wanted to release immigration detainees onto the streets of “sanctuary cities"

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Anonymous wrote:In Democrats nominate a pro refugee/ illegal immigrant candidate they will lose.

There is no one who supports illegal immigrants, except for the DACA folks, who have about 80% support among voters.

Just because people are opposed to a wall doesn't mean they support illegal immigration.

Where is their plan or proposal in the face of the Trump/Miller team's flailing attempts at opposition to the Democratic position? One that would show that they're not just opposed to Trump, but that would acknowledge the need for a solution.

This moment, right now, is the Democrats' opportunity to be the hero.

The democrats have proposed several plans for comprehensive immigration reform. the GOP in the Senate and the president do not support them at all. So we languish with a wall and a bunch of racist rhetoric.

"comprehensive immigration reform" is usually code for "amnesty". No thanks.

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Anonymous wrote:In Democrats nominate a pro refugee/ illegal immigrant candidate they will lose.

There is no one who supports illegal immigrants, except for the DACA folks, who have about 80% support among voters.

Just because people are opposed to a wall doesn't mean they support illegal immigration.

Where is their plan or proposal in the face of the Trump/Miller team's flailing attempts at opposition to the Democratic position? One that would show that they're not just opposed to Trump, but that would acknowledge the need for a solution.

This moment, right now, is the Democrats' opportunity to be the hero.

The democrats have proposed several plans for comprehensive immigration reform. the GOP in the Senate and the president do not support them at all. So we languish with a wall and a bunch of racist rhetoric.

"comprehensive immigration reform" is usually code for "amnesty". No thanks.

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but realistically it wont get through the House without amnesty for daca and probably tps receipients.

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Anonymous wrote:The nimbyism in this thread is breathtaking.

Yes, the MoCo teacher definitely doesn’t want any more brown kids in her class.

Not the PP you’re referring to but I’m not reading NIMBYism. There are liberal posters who are supportive of immigrants in their communities; there are clearly conservative/Trump supporters who aren’t and never will be. The latter isn’t NIMBYism, it’s xenophobia.

Actually, there are Trump supporters with intimate histories who have supported those amongst us who needed help as their own needs arose. You are pissed people in your own party are reaching the same breaking point.

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Wow! Trump is busing asylum applicants to sanctuary cities. He is gross to use the poor people as pawns.

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Liberal hypocrisy was called out before 2016, but it's been growing stronger and stronger.

So, because of this liberal hypocrisy "call out", the Dems took 40 seats in the House in 2018 and now have control of it. Yep, it's been growing stronger and stronger.

You hear the hypocrisy on this thread.

And when people vote, they'll vote with a PRIORITY. So while your "Hate Free Zone" neighbor is preaching about how horrible Trump is, you will never really know how s/he voted.

No D will win unless s/he has a strong immigration platform that will address the safety concerns many Americans have.

This much I know.

You don’t know much, then.

In terms of priorities, most middle and working class Americans are prioritizing healthcare, jobs, and affordable housing.

Immigration is only a fixation for Trump’s base because he’s used it as a wedge and fanned the flames of xenophobia and fear. White guys with assault weapons are far more dangerous to the average American than an illegal immigrant. As a group, illegals commit far fewer crimes by percentage.

My midwestern in-laws couldn’t give a hoot about illegal immigrants. They are concerned about the fact that the only hospital I’m the 50 mile area has closed and with it all the jobs related to it gone. They have grown to appreciate the ACA recognizing that it protects coverage preexisting conditions and wonder what will happen if Trump further guts the ACA with no replacement.

They aren’t going to vote based on illegal immigration, that’s for sure. This is a wedge issue and shame on the GOP ... though these days, the GOP has no shame. No guts. No shame. No integrity.

You do you; I'll do me.

Healthcare, in particular, is an immigration issue. Don't be fooled. If you think illegal immigration doesn't affect the issues you mentioned above, you're fooling yourself. Just watch your premiums grow b/c of free visits to the ER. WE end up paying.

The costs of immigrants in our system are relatively small but more importantly, healthcare is NOT an immigration issue. It’s a systemic issue that is driven by a for profit motive of our health care system. Premiums aren’t ramping up because of immigrants, FFS.

Do you actually believe the crap you’re spewing?

yes they do believe in the stuff he/she is spewing because the cult members are conned to believe that all their issue is due to immigration and not because their party stops them from getting education, healthcare and other benefits and gives that to the rich as tax cuts.

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The “illegal” boogeyman gets tons of mileage from the fearful, xenophobic morons.

Facts are your friend.

Instead of attacking, do some basic research. I did.

0.5% of US healthcare costs.

Just like I said: “illegal” boogeyman gets tons of mileage from the morons.

This doesn’t even touch on the tremendous resources given to children of illegal immigrants in our public schools. Clearly, your kids don’t attend one of these schools.

My kids attend “these schools”. 60% of my kids’ ES is ESOL. We have a high FARMS rate. And you know what? It’s a great school. My kids are thriving. These newcomers have families who work hard - some with multiple jobs - and are invested in education. They love being in this country. These are the kids who will grow up to be contributors to their communities and this country, just like generations of immigrant children before them.

As a tax payer, this “support” doesn’t bother me. These are future teachers, doctors, plumbers, scientists. They’ll give back.

You know what does bother me in terms of freeloading? When taxpayers have to subsidize the healthcare and food intake for workers at incredibly wealthy companies like Wal Mart because the company pays people working full time dirt wages. Or tax cuts for billionaires who mine federal subsidies and tax payer paid infrastructure to build riches. That’s the kind of corporate welfare that every American should be outraged by because there is very little “trickle down” or benefit to anyone beyond a select number of shareholders.

But Trump and the GOP have very effectively kept their base focused on the “outrage” of desperate Latinos fleeing poverty and violence in Central America. Never mind that most illegal immigrants in this country are here because they overstayed their visas and came here through airports, not the southern border. Hence 54+ pages of this thread....

Too bad your kids will not have the bright futures of the immigrant children. While all the attention is focused on immigrants, your kids will get a mediocre education and never attain much. Nice that you are willing to sacrifice their futures for others, including the many immigrants who work at Walmart rather than the jobs you mention.

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Anonymous wrote:Who decided to “dump” all the Somalians in Minnesota and Maine or was that just a big coincidence?

I’d like to know this too.

Nobody decided to “dump” them in ME. They moved moved there on their own after starting in another city. The same way the Polish in Cleveland or Scandinavian in Minnesota did after they arrived through NY. It’s kind of naive to assume if Trump relocated people to “sanctuary” cities, they would just stay there. People migrate to where they have connections.

Many of the immigrants will migrate to sanctuary cities on their own because that’s where they have connections. Sanctuary cities tend to be wealthy places that want cheap labor. This is what migrants want

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Anonymous wrote:Wow! Trump is busing asylum applicants to sanctuary cities. He is gross to use the poor people as pawns.

True. That is usually a Dem play

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Anonymous wrote:The nimbyism in this thread is breathtaking.

Yes, the MoCo teacher definitely doesn’t want any more brown kids in her class.

Who does?

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Listened to a local NPR affiliated radio station this morning and a political analyst said Democrats have no platform on immigration (just as republicans don’t have one on healthcare).

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My kids attend “these schools”. 60% of my kids’ ES is ESOL. We have a high FARMS rate. And you know what? It’s a great school. My kids are thriving. These newcomers have families who work hard - some with multiple jobs - and are invested in education. They love being in this country. These are the kids who will grow up to be contributors to their communities and this country, just like generations of immigrant children before them.

As a tax payer, this “support” doesn’t bother me. These are future teachers, doctors, plumbers, scientists. They’ll give back.

You know what does bother me in terms of freeloading? When taxpayers have to subsidize the healthcare and food intake for workers at incredibly wealthy companies like Wal Mart because the company pays people working full time dirt wages. Or tax cuts for billionaires who mine federal subsidies and tax payer paid infrastructure to build riches. That’s the kind of corporate welfare that every American should be outraged by because there is very little “trickle down” or benefit to anyone beyond a select number of shareholders.

But Trump and the GOP have very effectively kept their base focused on the “outrage” of desperate Latinos fleeing poverty and violence in Central America. Never mind that most illegal immigrants in this country are here because they overstayed their visas and came here through airports, not the southern border. Hence 54+ pages of this thread...

Have you monitored the attendance and drop out rate of FARMs students? By the time many hit secondary schools, grades and attendance fall and graduation is questionable.

This is a good article which talks about the truth behind the numbers - source.org/2017/poverty-poses-obstacle-to-100-percent-graduation-rate-expert-says/589190
Until poverty eliminated, schools won't graduate 100 percent of students, expert says

It focuses on CA, but we all know we have mini CAs in our area. And CA was mentioned as one of the "welcoming" states.

Russell Rumberger, a professor emeritus at UC Santa Barbara who directs the California Dropout Research Project, said poverty is too big an obstacle for some students to overcome. Although the graduation rate has increased, more than 50,000 students drop out of high school each year, he said.

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Rumberger said Latino and other student groups who have historically lagged behind have made “remarkable” graduation gains, but he cautioned that “a high school diploma is really a blunt instrument and it doesn’t really tell us too much about what a student has learned.”

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One of the concerns he wants to explore further is the rising use of “credit recovery” or online courses that students are taking in some districts, including Los Angeles Unified, to make up for more traditional semester-long courses that students may have failed.

“The rigor of that (credit recovery courses) is questionable,” he said, adding that districts still have a lot of discretion in what they require of students before giving them diplomas.

So your perspective is limited. I hate to burst your bubble. The information presented in this article only reinforces what's happening in our local schools.

It ain't working.

You are conflating issues of poverty, the achievement gap, and neglect of public schools in the US - and the articles you’re referencing do, too. Sorry to burst your bubble, but the issue of graduation rates isn’t isolated to new immigrants and LA’s Unified School District is unique in multiple ways that I don’t have time or energy to list for you - it can’t be extrapolated to signal “dangers” of high immigrant school children. Do your research. Dunning Kruger effect on full display in your post.

ODG. The Dunning-Kruger poster is back!

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Anonymous wrote:The nimbyism in this thread is breathtaking.

Yes, the MoCo teacher definitely doesn’t want any more brown kids in her class.

Who does?

Not even the most liberal people I know do. I had dinner with some friends recently who are always posting politics on FB. Discussion turned to how there are tons of illegal immigrants at their kids' HS, Herndon, many of whom are between ages 18-21. They said they don't worry because as long as your kids are in Honors or AP courses, there is little to no interaction. Well, isn't lovely? How about all the Gen Ed kids who will, in fact, have to interact and be in classes with adult men?

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Anonymous wrote:Listened to a local NPR affiliated radio station this morning and a political analyst said Democrats have no platform on immigration (just as republicans don’t have one on healthcare).

link?

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Anonymous wrote:Listened to a local NPR affiliated radio station this morning and a political analyst said Democrats have no platform on immigration (just as republicans don’t have one on healthcare).

link?

Immigration for the Democrats = Obamacare for the Republicans

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Anonymous wrote:Wow! Trump is busing asylum applicants to sanctuary cities. He is gross to use the poor people as pawns.

True. That is usually a Dem play

LOL

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Anonymous wrote:Listened to a local NPR affiliated radio station this morning and a political analyst said Democrats have no platform on immigration (just as republicans don’t have one on healthcare).

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You need a link to conclude that Democrats dont have an immigration platform (except to oppose Trump) and Republicans have no plans to replace after they repeal healthcare?