Why are Northern Kids Flocking to Southern Universities?

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Anonymous wrote:I believe UGA told applicants this year that it was revising its policy because of the sharp increase in out of state applicants. Sounds like flocking.

Likewise, given the sharp increase in OOS applicants, sounds like students are flocking to Vermont! (Maybe they got tried of sweating profusely at August/September high school football games down South.)

https://www.wcax.com/2022/05/05/uvm-sees-record-number-applications/

Let’s try this again, we all know that applications are up everywhere to a degree, but southern schools are experiencing an increase in applications an order of magnitude greater than elsewhere. Not sure why you are so personally invested in debunking this. Numbers don’t lie.

Where are those numbers? They are certainly not in the article referenced by OP.

Since your Google is broken (not an exhaustive list, but fwiw, this has a link for every school I looked at). For reference, applications were up 22% nationwide in 2021-2022, and pp above was touting Michigan’s 6% increase.

https://www.redandblack.com/uganews/uga-applications-increased-by-40-during-covid-19-acceptance-rate-will-decrease/article_3a2448f8-6a90-11eb-a9ac-afa3d279dbb4.html

https://www.admissions.uga.edu/blog/2023-uga-overall-admissions-early-action/

https://internationalcollegecounselors.com/uf-and-fsu-applications-are-up-why-what-does-this-mean-for-students/

https://ocm.auburn.edu/newsroom/news_articles/2021/12/131308-record-number-of-applicants.php#:~:text=The%20demand%20for%20an%20Auburn,155%25%20increase%20from%20fall%202020

https://www.collegetuitioncompare.com/trends/clemson-university/admission/

No one "touted" Michigan's 6% increase or claimed that it's "easier" to get a 6% increase versus a much higher percentage increase. But you knew that. The PP simply stated that Michigan experienced a 6% increase from a higher baseline than Auburn - i.e., kids aren't increasingly turning their backs on Michigan to go South - and received twice the number of applications than Auburn. People who have a strong, argument don't need to purposely misconstrue/mischaracterize what someone else has written.

Not a mischaracterization. Just bumped the post.

Also note that more than one poster made this argument. And no one has replied to the argument that applications were up 22% nationwide, so a mere 6% increase is actually underperforming. Most Southern universities way over performed that national average.

But does that mean those applications were coming from Northern students?

Where do you think they are coming from? The Northeast is one of the most populous parts of the country. If you really are so desperate to know, you can look up this information for a particular school.

Are you that dense? Maybe instate applications rose. Other states in the south?

If you want to make the claim, you should look it up instead of just assuming it. It must be nice to substitute your gut for actual facts.

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My dd went for the weather. Enough of the Michigan fall/winters

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GO DAWGS!!!👍♥️🖤👍

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Anonymous wrote:I believe UGA told applicants this year that it was revising its policy because of the sharp increase in out of state applicants. Sounds like flocking.

Likewise, given the sharp increase in OOS applicants, sounds like students are flocking to Vermont! (Maybe they got tried of sweating profusely at August/September high school football games down South.)

https://www.wcax.com/2022/05/05/uvm-sees-record-number-applications/

Let’s try this again, we all know that applications are up everywhere to a degree, but southern schools are experiencing an increase in applications an order of magnitude greater than elsewhere. Not sure why you are so personally invested in debunking this. Numbers don’t lie.

Where are those numbers? They are certainly not in the article referenced by OP.

Since your Google is broken (not an exhaustive list, but fwiw, this has a link for every school I looked at). For reference, applications were up 22% nationwide in 2021-2022, and pp above was touting Michigan’s 6% increase.

https://www.redandblack.com/uganews/uga-applications-increased-by-40-during-covid-19-acceptance-rate-will-decrease/article_3a2448f8-6a90-11eb-a9ac-afa3d279dbb4.html

https://www.admissions.uga.edu/blog/2023-uga-overall-admissions-early-action/

https://internationalcollegecounselors.com/uf-and-fsu-applications-are-up-why-what-does-this-mean-for-students/

https://ocm.auburn.edu/newsroom/news_articles/2021/12/131308-record-number-of-applicants.php#:~:text=The%20demand%20for%20an%20Auburn,155%25%20increase%20from%20fall%202020

https://www.collegetuitioncompare.com/trends/clemson-university/admission/

No one "touted" Michigan's 6% increase or claimed that it's "easier" to get a 6% increase versus a much higher percentage increase. But you knew that. The PP simply stated that Michigan experienced a 6% increase from a higher baseline than Auburn - i.e., kids aren't increasingly turning their backs on Michigan to go South - and received twice the number of applications than Auburn. People who have a strong, argument don't need to purposely misconstrue/mischaracterize what someone else has written.

Not a mischaracterization. Just bumped the post.

Also note that more than one poster made this argument. And no one has replied to the argument that applications were up 22% nationwide, so a mere 6% increase is actually underperforming. Most Southern universities way over performed that national average.

But does that mean those applications were coming from Northern students?

Where do you think they are coming from? The Northeast is one of the most populous parts of the country. If you really are so desperate to know, you can look up this information for a particular school.

Are you that dense? Maybe instate applications rose. Other states in the south?

If you want to make the claim, you should look it up instead of just assuming it. It must be nice to substitute your gut for actual facts.

DP. It would take a while to put together this data, because most schools categorize students by state, not region, so the most populous states tend to come out on top, but the data is interesting.

For example, Georgia saw a significant increase in OOS applications. They went from 35% of 11,000 EA applications from OOS to 60% of 26,000 EAs from OOS. So, 3,850 to 15,600. That’s just EA.

https://www.admissions.uga.edu/blog/2023-uga-overall-admissions-early-action/

We have gone from 11,000 EA applicants for 2013 to 26,000 EA applicants this year, and we expect the overall applicant pool (EA and RD together) to show similar growth. In addition, the applicant pool has flipped from roughly 65% In-State applicants in 2013 to 40% In-State applicants this year.


I couldn’t find exact numbers by year, but for students actually attending (not just applying) for the entire student body (so not as reflective of post-Covid trends) they say the top ten states sending OOS students to UGA are:

Texas
New York
New Jersey
Tennessee
South Carolina
North Carolina
Virginia
Florida
Maryland
Pennsylvania

https://www.admissions.uga.edu/admissions/admission-statistics/

For an example of a private university, SMU says this:

National – More than half of undergraduates come from outside Texas, with students from all 50 states and the District of Columbia. Following Texas, the leading home states for first-year students are California, Florida, Illinois and New York.

https://www.smu.edu/AboutSMU/Facts/CampusProfile

Not long ago, SMU was more than 50% Texan.

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Anonymous wrote:I believe UGA told applicants this year that it was revising its policy because of the sharp increase in out of state applicants. Sounds like flocking.

Likewise, given the sharp increase in OOS applicants, sounds like students are flocking to Vermont! (Maybe they got tried of sweating profusely at August/September high school football games down South.)

https://www.wcax.com/2022/05/05/uvm-sees-record-number-applications/

Let’s try this again, we all know that applications are up everywhere to a degree, but southern schools are experiencing an increase in applications an order of magnitude greater than elsewhere. Not sure why you are so personally invested in debunking this. Numbers don’t lie.

Where are those numbers? They are certainly not in the article referenced by OP.

Since your Google is broken (not an exhaustive list, but fwiw, this has a link for every school I looked at). For reference, applications were up 22% nationwide in 2021-2022, and pp above was touting Michigan’s 6% increase.

https://www.redandblack.com/uganews/uga-applications-increased-by-40-during-covid-19-acceptance-rate-will-decrease/article_3a2448f8-6a90-11eb-a9ac-afa3d279dbb4.html

https://www.admissions.uga.edu/blog/2023-uga-overall-admissions-early-action/

https://internationalcollegecounselors.com/uf-and-fsu-applications-are-up-why-what-does-this-mean-for-students/

https://ocm.auburn.edu/newsroom/news_articles/2021/12/131308-record-number-of-applicants.php#:~:text=The%20demand%20for%20an%20Auburn,155%25%20increase%20from%20fall%202020

https://www.collegetuitioncompare.com/trends/clemson-university/admission/

No one "touted" Michigan's 6% increase or claimed that it's "easier" to get a 6% increase versus a much higher percentage increase. But you knew that. The PP simply stated that Michigan experienced a 6% increase from a higher baseline than Auburn - i.e., kids aren't increasingly turning their backs on Michigan to go South - and received twice the number of applications than Auburn. People who have a strong, argument don't need to purposely misconstrue/mischaracterize what someone else has written.

Not a mischaracterization. Just bumped the post.

Also note that more than one poster made this argument. And no one has replied to the argument that applications were up 22% nationwide, so a mere 6% increase is actually underperforming. Most Southern universities way over performed that national average.

But does that mean those applications were coming from Northern students?

Where do you think they are coming from? The Northeast is one of the most populous parts of the country. If you really are so desperate to know, you can look up this information for a particular school.

Are you that dense? Maybe instate applications rose. Other states in the south?

If you want to make the claim, you should look it up instead of just assuming it. It must be nice to substitute your gut for actual facts.

DP. It would take a while to put together this data, because most schools categorize students by state, not region, so the most populous states tend to come out on top, but the data is interesting.

For example, Georgia saw a significant increase in OOS applications. They went from 35% of 11,000 EA applications from OOS to 60% of 26,000 EAs from OOS. So, 3,850 to 15,600. That’s just EA.

https://www.admissions.uga.edu/blog/2023-uga-overall-admissions-early-action/

We have gone from 11,000 EA applicants for 2013 to 26,000 EA applicants this year, and we expect the overall applicant pool (EA and RD together) to show similar growth. In addition, the applicant pool has flipped from roughly 65% In-State applicants in 2013 to 40% In-State applicants this year.


I couldn’t find exact numbers by year, but for students actually attending (not just applying) for the entire student body (so not as reflective of post-Covid trends) they say the top ten states sending OOS students to UGA are:

Texas
New York
New Jersey
Tennessee
South Carolina
North Carolina
Virginia
Florida
Maryland
Pennsylvania

https://www.admissions.uga.edu/admissions/admission-statistics/

For an example of a private university, SMU says this:

National – More than half of undergraduates come from outside Texas, with students from all 50 states and the District of Columbia. Following Texas, the leading home states for first-year students are California, Florida, Illinois and New York.

https://www.smu.edu/AboutSMU/Facts/CampusProfile

Not long ago, SMU was more than 50% Texan.

I can def see smu get flooded more by people from outside the south even more and smu will take the kids over weaker Southern based students

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Schools that win national sports championships see increases in applications.

Total shocker /s

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Anonymous wrote:Schools that win national sports championships see increases in applications.

Total shocker /s

Twice in 2 years! Go Georgia Bulldogs!! 👍

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My child fits this demo if you consider Maryland a Northern state. She is a student an a private known for academic rigor, and has top stats and good ecs. She’s applied to Clemson, GA Tech and Florida in addition to the more typical Vandy, Emory, etc. . . She plans to go to grad school and any of these schools would give her the research opportunities she needs with the bonus of great weather, good football teams, and lots of social opportunities. Ten years ago, her school sent many kids to northern SLACs. That still exists but many of her classmates are looking south.

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Anonymous wrote:My child fits this demo if you consider Maryland a Northern state. She is a student an a private known for academic rigor, and has top stats and good ecs. She’s applied to Clemson, GA Tech and Florida in addition to the more typical Vandy, Emory, etc. . . She plans to go to grad school and any of these schools would give her the research opportunities she needs with the bonus of great weather, good football teams, and lots of social opportunities. Ten years ago, her school sent many kids to northern SLACs. That still exists but many of her classmates are looking south.

Are they getting into northern slacs and turning them down for southern options or is the arms race forcing them?

I want to see data that shows kids getting into northern elite schools and actively turning the acceptance down to go south

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Anonymous wrote:My child fits this demo if you consider Maryland a Northern state. She is a student an a private known for academic rigor, and has top stats and good ecs. She’s applied to Clemson, GA Tech and Florida in addition to the more typical Vandy, Emory, etc. . . She plans to go to grad school and any of these schools would give her the research opportunities she needs with the bonus of great weather, good football teams, and lots of social opportunities. Ten years ago, her school sent many kids to northern SLACs. That still exists but many of her classmates are looking south.

Are they getting into northern slacs and turning them down for southern options or is the arms race forcing them?

I want to see data that shows kids getting into northern elite schools and actively turning the acceptance down to go south

They aren’t even applying anymore because what those schools have on offer aren’t appealing, at least respect to the slacs (obviously, the Ivies and MIT remain popular for kids that are so inclined). They don’t want cold, remote and small student body with no sports culture. Add in less research opportunities because of size and/or location.

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Anonymous wrote:My child fits this demo if you consider Maryland a Northern state. She is a student an a private known for academic rigor, and has top stats and good ecs. She’s applied to Clemson, GA Tech and Florida in addition to the more typical Vandy, Emory, etc. . . She plans to go to grad school and any of these schools would give her the research opportunities she needs with the bonus of great weather, good football teams, and lots of social opportunities. Ten years ago, her school sent many kids to northern SLACs. That still exists but many of her classmates are looking south.

+1 great choices!

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Anonymous wrote:My child fits this demo if you consider Maryland a Northern state. She is a student an a private known for academic rigor, and has top stats and good ecs. She’s applied to Clemson, GA Tech and Florida in addition to the more typical Vandy, Emory, etc. . . She plans to go to grad school and any of these schools would give her the research opportunities she needs with the bonus of great weather, good football teams, and lots of social opportunities. Ten years ago, her school sent many kids to northern SLACs. That still exists but many of her classmates are looking south.

Are they getting into northern slacs and turning them down for southern options or is the arms race forcing them?

I want to see data that shows kids getting into northern elite schools and actively turning the acceptance down to go south

They aren’t even applying anymore because what those schools have on offer aren’t appealing, at least respect to the slacs (obviously, the Ivies and MIT remain popular for kids that are so inclined). They don’t want cold, remote and small student body with no sports culture. Add in less research opportunities because of size and/or location.

And yet AWS and nescac applications and acceptance rates keep getting harder…

…Occam’s razor suggests that kids who were marginal admits to lower tier northern slacs are going south — agreed

But not t10-15 slac targets

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They are tired of the over-the-top wokeness?

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Anonymous wrote:My child fits this demo if you consider Maryland a Northern state. She is a student an a private known for academic rigor, and has top stats and good ecs. She’s applied to Clemson, GA Tech and Florida in addition to the more typical Vandy, Emory, etc. . . She plans to go to grad school and any of these schools would give her the research opportunities she needs with the bonus of great weather, good football teams, and lots of social opportunities. Ten years ago, her school sent many kids to northern SLACs. That still exists but many of her classmates are looking south.

Are they getting into northern slacs and turning them down for southern options or is the arms race forcing them?

I want to see data that shows kids getting into northern elite schools and actively turning the acceptance down to go south

They aren’t even applying anymore because what those schools have on offer aren’t appealing, at least respect to the slacs (obviously, the Ivies and MIT remain popular for kids that are so inclined). They don’t want cold, remote and small student body with no sports culture. Add in less research opportunities because of size and/or location.

I think it's 100% cost. Look at the thread on merit aid. Those SLACs are 80k a year now. Top OOS public schools like Michigan are over 50k a year. UVA and Cal think they're Harvard if you look at OOS tuition. A smart kid whose parents can afford 30 or 40k a year who misses out on their in state flagship can still go to most southern flagships

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Anonymous wrote:My child fits this demo if you consider Maryland a Northern state. She is a student an a private known for academic rigor, and has top stats and good ecs. She’s applied to Clemson, GA Tech and Florida in addition to the more typical Vandy, Emory, etc. . . She plans to go to grad school and any of these schools would give her the research opportunities she needs with the bonus of great weather, good football teams, and lots of social opportunities. Ten years ago, her school sent many kids to northern SLACs. That still exists but many of her classmates are looking south.

Are they getting into northern slacs and turning them down for southern options or is the arms race forcing them?

I want to see data that shows kids getting into northern elite schools and actively turning the acceptance down to go south

They aren’t even applying anymore because what those schools have on offer aren’t appealing, at least respect to the slacs (obviously, the Ivies and MIT remain popular for kids that are so inclined). They don’t want cold, remote and small student body with no sports culture. Add in less research opportunities because of size and/or location.

I think it's 100% cost. Look at the thread on merit aid. Those SLACs are 80k a year now. Top OOS public schools like Michigan are over 50k a year. UVA and Cal think they're Harvard if you look at OOS tuition. A smart kid whose parents can afford 30 or 40k a year who misses out on their in state flagship can still go to most southern flagships

Full pay family here. Cost is a non-issue for our family. My kids applied to mostly southern schools. It had nothing to do with cost and everything to do with the vibe, beautiful campus, friendliness, weather, school spirit, etc. Friends and roommates at the southern college are all very wealthy. I think your just don’t see the appeal of these schools, which is fine. I am just here to say it definitely isn’t because people can’t afford anything else. They are offering a product we want to pay for.