Why are Northern Kids Flocking to Southern Universities?

Anonymous
The people shocked by the UGA application numbers reminded me of this article. It’s paywalled, but you can access it if you have Apple News.

To summarize, the kids interviewed say they are looking for a more “normal” college experience, whether as the result of less stringent Covid restrictions and/or less overt political activism (and, yes, the impact of new abortion laws is discussed). Auburn’s application numbers last year would indicate that the young woman interviewed who went to Auburn was not an isolated case.

https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/money-and-power/a41397404/southern-colleges-admissions-boom/

https://apple.news/A_qCsVporSlKxvlntKvvd3A


The process, Vincent says, was affecting her friends’ mental health, and she was vehemently turned off. So when her father, who went to college in the South, suggested she consider Auburn, a public university in eastern Alabama, she did. Within seconds of setting foot on Auburn’s lush, rolling campus—where stately brick buildings coexist with such world class amenities as a $72 million athletic facility with a huge, paw-shaped hot tub (Auburn’s mascot is a tiger)—she was smitten. “Out of all the campuses I toured it was easily the most beautiful. The number of people playing spike ball, throwing a frisbee, having picnics…” She also noted that back home it was much chillier. “Everyone just looked so happy” at Auburn. “I was like, This is where I need to go.”

Vincent, who enrolled the following year in Auburn’s Honors College, where she’s studying engineering, may sound like a quirky outlier: a New Yorker who decides to go rogue and attend a college in a deep red state that has a respectable 99 ranking among national universities on the sacrosanct U.S. News and World Report college list. But she is part of a growing trend among high school students in liberal hubs like New York, Boston, Los Angeles, and Chicago who are deciding to forgo the competitive, cutthroat environments of Colgate and Columbia for the more rah-rah vibe of places like Auburn, Southern Methodist University, Texas Christian University, Clemson, the University of Miami, and other Southern institutions that have traditionally been written off by coastal snobs as football-and-frat-party schools that let anyone with a measurable GPA in their doors.

Some Southern universities—Tulane, Emory, and Vanderbilt, for example—have long attracted a steady stream of non-Southerners thanks to reputations as rigorous schools in cool places…..These schools are not thought of as Southern Southern; the biggest subset of Tulane’s class of 2026—30 percent—is from the Northeast.

What’s different now is that lower-tier Southern schools have started to enter this desirable group. Fifty-seven percent of the incoming freshman class at Texas Christian University, a midsize school in Fort Worth—where students walk around in cowboy boots on the mornings of school football games and down BBQ and queso at the Stockyards, a preserved Western district in town—are from out of state. Seventeen percent of those hail from California. Compare that to 2008, when more than 70 percent of TCU’s incoming freshmen were from Texas. Thirty miles down the road, at Southern Methodist University, a $79,000-a-year, Tara-like oasis in the middle of Dallas famous for boulevarding (high-class tailgating) and alums like Bumble co-founder and CEO Whitney Wolfe Herd, 62 percent of this year’s incoming freshmen are from out of state.
Anonymous
Many kids are being pushed out of their home states - too many applicants willing to prep prep prep… they want a more traditional American experience
Anonymous
Northern kids are flocking to Southern universities for warmer weather, honors colleges with merit scholarships, more traditional / less political experience, sunny weather, more polite society,lower cost housing, athletic clean-cut atmosphere, closer access to warm weather beaches, more attractive students due to better weather which encourages students to engage in outdoor activities.

60%--or a bit more--of the students at the University of Alabama are non-residents.
Anonymous
Also, many students do not want to spend their social time at small, cold weather, isolated/rural schools drinking beer in a crowded stuffy fraternity basement.
Anonymous
Easier to get in than their in state flagship options
Many southern schools are recruiting more in the north to boost their student stats and the scholarships help
Anonymous
Lots of red states the south. DCUMers are saying their kids will NEVER attend a southern/red state. Hmm…interesting.
Anonymous
It’s the new University of Michigan and University of Wisconsin- with better weather and southern charm. Cost of living is cheaper, less of a pressure cooker environment - and actually fun!!

Black students have been going south for years - the majority of HBCU schools are in the South!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Also, many students do not want to spend their social time at small, cold weather, isolated/rural schools drinking beer in a crowded stuffy fraternity basement.


That’s a traditional experience tho. Choose one.
Anonymous
Michigan and Wisconsin plenty fun-but, much more difficult acceptance OOS and the weather is a factor!
Anonymous
Have you seen numbers for schools like NYU, BostonU, Northeastern?
Anonymous
Easier to get in. More sports. Hotter kids.
Anonymous
Resonates for us to a degree (weather pun). While my daughter's friend chose her New England school for access to great skiing, mine are not winter fans and love the idea of being able to spend lots of time outside in the warmth during the school year months, which is when they will be there.
Mine chose some of the finest schools in the country, located in the mid-south, that are very rigorous but not cutthroat. They intentionally avoided the latter. One is at a lottery level application rate school, the other is at something similar. High stats but they avoided pressure cookers and ivys. They have big plans to do good in the world and be successful in their fields, but they are prioritizing happiness, in the process. There are many northern schools where they would have been happy, but for the cold weather.
They are socially liberal, personally conservative, economic moderates. At this point anyway! They chose diverse campuses which lean left. In talking with them about it, they are not as concerned about red state/blue state or even abortion laws (they are pro-choice), but they would not have been comfortable with a student body with a majority super conservative. They like being with people who think all kinds of things, but not mostly of one persuasion.
Anonymous
Because it’s warmer, the people are nicer and they can get into the rich kid frats/sororities.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Resonates for us to a degree (weather pun). While my daughter's friend chose her New England school for access to great skiing, mine are not winter fans and love the idea of being able to spend lots of time outside in the warmth during the school year months, which is when they will be there.
Mine chose some of the finest schools in the country, located in the mid-south, that are very rigorous but not cutthroat. They intentionally avoided the latter. One is at a lottery level application rate school, the other is at something similar. High stats but they avoided pressure cookers and ivys. They have big plans to do good in the world and be successful in their fields, but they are prioritizing happiness, in the process. There are many northern schools where they would have been happy, but for the cold weather.
They are socially liberal, personally conservative, economic moderates. At this point anyway! They chose diverse campuses which lean left. In talking with them about it, they are not as concerned about red state/blue state or even abortion laws (they are pro-choice), but they would not have been comfortable with a student body with a majority super conservative. They like being with people who think all kinds of things, but not mostly of one persuasion.


Where is this utopia?
Anonymous
This is where they can get in. To the editors at T&C, who went to school in the 80s and think you can walk into Michigan OOS with a 3.7/1250, the current madness in college admissions is inconceivable. So to them it looks like more of a choice than it is.

Also now that the SAT/USNWR system is breaking down, the southern flagships, with their SAT/ACT/GPA scholarships, are the next best thing. If you have a 1400, Auburn and Bama are saying “we think that’s great! We want you!” while W&M is sniffing that you should probably apply TO. Kids want to go where they’re wanted.
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