Another gunman, another elementary school

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Anonymous wrote:I feel frustrated because there is literally nothing me (as an average person) can do to change this or stop it happening.

You can raise well adjusted kids so at least you aren’t part of the problem.

That's the answer, as long as they don't get shot at school.

And you are educated enough about psychological issues, and brave enough to fearlessly face warning signs in your child that they could be in trouble, and over ride the parental pull to minimize. Oh and it helps to have connections to the best child therapists...having the money to pay for it, also, of course if insurance won't pay That's a lot of "if''s" We are in trouble as a nation regarding mental health. Single payer was one of our last hopes and we know how well that went. Mostly this has all just taught me that I have to battle the impulse to deny my kid could be seriously troubled. With everything I have read about Columbine, and sandy hook and here too...the denial factor is a real thing. Of course none if this minimizes the need to change gun laws. But we can all try hard to open our eyes too.

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Anonymous wrote:The timeline that the shooter was inside the building seems murky. Apparently he was in the building for 40-60 minutes before being shot by a federal border patrol agent.

This is so disheartening. To me it appears that both the school officer and local Texas police officers weren’t brave enough to risk their lives for these little children.

https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Uvalde-Robb-Elementary-school-active-shooter-17195770.php

https://www.vice.com/amp/en/article/pkp7gm/police-timeline-texas-school-shooting

He had barricaded himself in. You can’t just run in there guns blazing, there are set protocols in place that are more effective. Just running at the door would result in all the LEO being killed.

I think we have to wait a while to know what really happened.

Yes, their story is that once he barricaded their focus was to get the other students out asap

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There is a reason that underlies the United States’ “special relationship” with guns. It is just distasteful to consider

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/25/world/americas/2nd-amendment-gun-laws.html?referringSource=articleShare

I don’t have a subscription. Can you give us a synopsis?

The modern quest for gun control and the gun rights movement it triggered were born in the shadow of Brown (v. Board of Education of Topeka, the landmark Supreme Court ruling in 1954),” Reva Siegel, a constitutional scholar at Yale Law School, wrote in a 2008 article in the Harvard Law Review. “Directly and indirectly, conflicts over civil rights have shaped modern understandings of the Second Amendment.”

Desegregation sparked a reactionary backlash among white voters, particularly in the south, who saw it as overreach by the Supreme Court and federal government. That backlash, with the help of conservative political strategists, coalesced into a multi-issue political movement. Promises to protect the traditional family from the perceived threat of feminism drew in white women. And influential conservative lawyers framed the Second Amendment as a source of individual “counterrights” that conservatives could seek protection for in the courts — a counterbalance to progressive groups’ litigation on segregation and other issues.

JFC --- everything is not about race. I am from a rural area and we had guns and lots of them going back generations.

If you read the article and not just these two paragraphs they discuss this. The point out how hunters from rural areas of other countries(like Norway) were also opposed to gun control. But Norway lacked a political issue like this one so ultimately the non rural population’s preferences for safety won out.
So yes, not everything is about race. Any other questions?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The timeline that the shooter was inside the building seems murky. Apparently he was in the building for 40-60 minutes before being shot by a federal border patrol agent.

This is so disheartening. To me it appears that both the school officer and local Texas police officers weren’t brave enough to risk their lives for these little children.

https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Uvalde-Robb-Elementary-school-active-shooter-17195770.php

https://www.vice.com/amp/en/article/pkp7gm/police-timeline-texas-school-shooting

This calls into question the effectiveness of school resource officers. Similar happened in Parkland when the SRO hid outside and refused to engage with the shooter.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel frustrated because there is literally nothing me (as an average person) can do to change this or stop it happening.

You can raise well adjusted kids so at least you aren’t part of the problem.

That's the answer, as long as they don't get shot at school.

And you are educated enough about psychological issues, and brave enough to fearlessly face warning signs in your child that they could be in trouble, and over ride the parental pull to minimize. Oh and it helps to have connections to the best child therapists...having the money to pay for it, also, of course if insurance won't pay That's a lot of "if''s" We are in trouble as a nation regarding mental health. Single payer was one of our last hopes and we know how well that went. Mostly this has all just taught me that I have to battle the impulse to deny my kid could be seriously troubled. With everything I have read about Columbine, and sandy hook and here too...the denial factor is a real thing. Of course none if this minimizes the need to change gun laws. But we can all try hard to open our eyes too.

I am sick about the number of his peers who he let in on the plan and or showed pics of the guns. (I get the fb post was private)
Why nothing was said by anyone is haunting

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The timeline that the shooter was inside the building seems murky. Apparently he was in the building for 40-60 minutes before being shot by a federal border patrol agent.

This is so disheartening. To me it appears that both the school officer and local Texas police officers weren’t brave enough to risk their lives for these little children.

https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Uvalde-Robb-Elementary-school-active-shooter-17195770.php

https://www.vice.com/amp/en/article/pkp7gm/police-timeline-texas-school-shooting

He had barricaded himself in. You can’t just run in there guns blazing, there are set protocols in place that are more effective. Just running at the door would result in all the LEO being killed.

I think we have to wait a while to know what really happened.

Yes but we know other examples of the so called good guys with guns not stepping up, even when it was their job:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/former-parkland-security-officer-scot-peterson-charged-neglect-not-entering-n1013831

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It makes me physically sick thinking about him locking himself in the classroom with them and spraying bullets. I can’t imagine the terror. I hope it was fast. I hope those little souls didn’t feel any pain. Please please god change the hearts of Republicans.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The timeline that the shooter was inside the building seems murky. Apparently he was in the building for 40-60 minutes before being shot by a federal border patrol agent.

This is so disheartening. To me it appears that both the school officer and local Texas police officers weren’t brave enough to risk their lives for these little children.

https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Uvalde-Robb-Elementary-school-active-shooter-17195770.php

https://www.vice.com/amp/en/article/pkp7gm/police-timeline-texas-school-shooting

This calls into question the effectiveness of school resource officers. Similar happened in Parkland when the SRO hid outside and refused to engage with the shooter.

Yea that's another problem....can you get people in the community/county to invest in real marksmanship training in this kind of position?

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If the trained resource officers just ran away, what do they expect teachers to do?

I doubt he or she had much training. It is interesting how people think underpaid security officers are going to throw themselves in front of bullets.

Yet we waste money arming our schools like prisons instead of doing the obvious like doing licensing for guns the way cars are licensed. And holding gun manufacturers responsible by letting them be sued when they are criminally negligent. You can sue a car manufacturer but Congress gave gun manufacturers immunity from lawsuits. Talk about national priorities….l

What about fatherless homes?

+1. As a tweet I read today said:

Start with a boy. Take away his father. Give him a drug-addicted, unwed mother. Sit him in front of a computer all day. Feed him porn, tik-tok videos and other "content." Give him no guidance, no moral compass, no religious training. Start him on drugs for some condition. Close his school and isolate him. This is how you make a school shooter. Every single one of them.

School shooters existed before TikTok. They existed before school closures. Some come from intact homes with loving families. Your tweet sounds clever, but it's wrong.

Really? Give us one example of this.

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If the trained resource officers just ran away, what do they expect teachers to do?

I doubt he or she had much training. It is interesting how people think underpaid security officers are going to throw themselves in front of bullets.

Yet we waste money arming our schools like prisons instead of doing the obvious like doing licensing for guns the way cars are licensed. And holding gun manufacturers responsible by letting them be sued when they are criminally negligent. You can sue a car manufacturer but Congress gave gun manufacturers immunity from lawsuits. Talk about national priorities….l

What about fatherless homes?

+1. As a tweet I read today said:

Start with a boy. Take away his father. Give him a drug-addicted, unwed mother. Sit him in front of a computer all day. Feed him porn, tik-tok videos and other "content." Give him no guidance, no moral compass, no religious training. Start him on drugs for some condition. Close his school and isolate him. This is how you make a school shooter. Every single one of them.

You forgot about the part where he then went to the store and bought an automatic rifle designed to kill as many people as possible as quickly as possible. This same boy exists in other countries, but he can't get the weapons...

Oh really? You think there is no gun violence in Asia, South America, Central America, the Middle East....? You don't get out much, do you?

Can an 18 year old go out and legally obtain a gun in these places?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

If the trained resource officers just ran away, what do they expect teachers to do?

I doubt he or she had much training. It is interesting how people think underpaid security officers are going to throw themselves in front of bullets.

Yet we waste money arming our schools like prisons instead of doing the obvious like doing licensing for guns the way cars are licensed. And holding gun manufacturers responsible by letting them be sued when they are criminally negligent. You can sue a car manufacturer but Congress gave gun manufacturers immunity from lawsuits. Talk about national priorities….l

What about fatherless homes?

+1. As a tweet I read today said:

Start with a boy. Take away his father. Give him a drug-addicted, unwed mother. Sit him in front of a computer all day. Feed him porn, tik-tok videos and other "content." Give him no guidance, no moral compass, no religious training. Start him on drugs for some condition. Close his school and isolate him. This is how you make a school shooter. Every single one of them.

School shooters existed before TikTok. They existed before school closures. Some come from intact homes with loving families. Your tweet sounds clever, but it's wrong.

Really? Give us one example of this.

The Columbine HS shooters.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I feel frustrated because there is literally nothing me (as an average person) can do to change this or stop it happening.

Yes you can. Call your representatives. Over and over, not just this week, but regularly until we get legislation passed.

You have to tell them it's your number one priority and you will vote them out if they a/ take $ from the NRA, and b/ if they don't pass sensible legislation (and tell them what that is). Then, hold them to it. Also, participate in public opinion polls when Pew calls you.

[Anonymous]

Do you think any thing would change if the members of the NRA convention were mowed down on their way into the NRA convention?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel frustrated because there is literally nothing me (as an average person) can do to change this or stop it happening.

Yes you can. Call your representatives. Over and over, not just this week, but regularly until we get legislation passed.

You have to tell them it's your number one priority and you will vote them out if they a/ take $ from the NRA, and b/ if they don't pass sensible legislation (and tell them what that is). Then, hold them to it. Also, participate in public opinion polls when Pew calls you.

I live in Arlington VA. Calling my representatives won’t do jack sht - they already strongly support gun control. What do I do!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

If the trained resource officers just ran away, what do they expect teachers to do?

I doubt he or she had much training. It is interesting how people think underpaid security officers are going to throw themselves in front of bullets.

Yet we waste money arming our schools like prisons instead of doing the obvious like doing licensing for guns the way cars are licensed. And holding gun manufacturers responsible by letting them be sued when they are criminally negligent. You can sue a car manufacturer but Congress gave gun manufacturers immunity from lawsuits. Talk about national priorities….l

What about fatherless homes?

+1. As a tweet I read today said:

Start with a boy. Take away his father. Give him a drug-addicted, unwed mother. Sit him in front of a computer all day. Feed him porn, tik-tok videos and other "content." Give him no guidance, no moral compass, no religious training. Start him on drugs for some condition. Close his school and isolate him. This is how you make a school shooter. Every single one of them.

School shooters existed before TikTok. They existed before school closures. Some come from intact homes with loving families. Your tweet sounds clever, but it's wrong.

Really? Give us one example of this.

In addition to Columbine and Virginia Tech, the West Paducah, KY shooter came a family with both parents, as did one of the Jonesboro, AR shooters. The shooters in Fort Gibson, Springfield, Oregon, and Edinboro, PA did as well.