Another gunman, another elementary school

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not sure what immature name calling of Republicans as pro-birther, pro-lifer, nut Trumpster will do. Just a child like tantrum here.

We could put metal detectors at schools. To stop shooters from entering schools.

Or, we can call Republicans mean names and talk about a fantasy world without guns. Your choice.

Or we can ban guns and make a “fantasy” come to life.

What do we do about the millions of guns that are already out there in people's homes, cars, bunkers, and waistbands?

Buy them, confiscate them, do whatever it takes one day at a time.

[Anonymous]

There is a reason that underlies the United States’ “special relationship” with guns. It is just distasteful to consider

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/25/world/americas/2nd-amendment-gun-laws.html?referringSource=articleShare

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There is a reason that underlies the United States’ “special relationship” with guns. It is just distasteful to consider

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/25/world/americas/2nd-amendment-gun-laws.html?referringSource=articleShare

I don’t have a subscription. Can you give us a synopsis?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is a reason that underlies the United States’ “special relationship” with guns. It is just distasteful to consider

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/25/world/americas/2nd-amendment-gun-laws.html?referringSource=articleShare

I don’t have a subscription. Can you give us a synopsis?

The modern quest for gun control and the gun rights movement it triggered were born in the shadow of Brown (v. Board of Education of Topeka, the landmark Supreme Court ruling in 1954),” Reva Siegel, a constitutional scholar at Yale Law School, wrote in a 2008 article in the Harvard Law Review. “Directly and indirectly, conflicts over civil rights have shaped modern understandings of the Second Amendment.”

Desegregation sparked a reactionary backlash among white voters, particularly in the south, who saw it as overreach by the Supreme Court and federal government. That backlash, with the help of conservative political strategists, coalesced into a multi-issue political movement. Promises to protect the traditional family from the perceived threat of feminism drew in white women. And influential conservative lawyers framed the Second Amendment as a source of individual “counterrights” that conservatives could seek protection for in the courts — a counterbalance to progressive groups’ litigation on segregation and other issues.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel frustrated because there is literally nothing me (as an average person) can do to change this or stop it happening.

You can raise well adjusted kids so at least you aren’t part of the problem.

That's the answer, as long as they don't get shot at school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is a reason that underlies the United States’ “special relationship” with guns. It is just distasteful to consider

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/25/world/americas/2nd-amendment-gun-laws.html?referringSource=articleShare

I don’t have a subscription. Can you give us a synopsis?

The modern quest for gun control and the gun rights movement it triggered were born in the shadow of Brown (v. Board of Education of Topeka, the landmark Supreme Court ruling in 1954),” Reva Siegel, a constitutional scholar at Yale Law School, wrote in a 2008 article in the Harvard Law Review. “Directly and indirectly, conflicts over civil rights have shaped modern understandings of the Second Amendment.”

Desegregation sparked a reactionary backlash among white voters, particularly in the south, who saw it as overreach by the Supreme Court and federal government. That backlash, with the help of conservative political strategists, coalesced into a multi-issue political movement. Promises to protect the traditional family from the perceived threat of feminism drew in white women. And influential conservative lawyers framed the Second Amendment as a source of individual “counterrights” that conservatives could seek protection for in the courts — a counterbalance to progressive groups’ litigation on segregation and other issues.

Interesting. I read an article recently about abortion that was similar - that conservatives didn’t really care, but a few party members made it a big deal not because they were anti-abortion, but because they were pro-segregation and needed a larger voter base.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How much is that school getting sued?

My daughters elementary school had the following controls.

One way in. Receptionist in bullet proof area with hardwired phone to call 911. She buzz you in. Then you enter bullet proof man trap. She trap you. They also had buzzer to lock all bullet proof classroom doors. Had silent alarms police. Regular active shooter drills. FBI and or local law enforcement consultations. And a cop in parking lot while school open.

While school on camera. We even could lock windows remotely.

This doesn't sound cost effective. I bet you suck at your corporate job.

[Anonymous]

In 2021 big tech spent $70 million in lobbying... silence

In 2021 big pharma spent $90 million in lobbying... silence

In 2021 the NRA spent $4.9 million in lobbying... RAGE!

[Anonymous]

Can states change gun laws, such as age limit and type of gun sold? Or is it only federal.

I’m not talking about getting rid of the second amendment, just changing certain laws that may help with this.

[Anonymous]

The timeline that the shooter was inside the building seems murky. Apparently he was in the building for 40-60 minutes before being shot by a federal border patrol agent.

This is so disheartening. To me it appears that both the school officer and local Texas police officers weren’t brave enough to risk their lives for these little children.

https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Uvalde-Robb-Elementary-school-active-shooter-17195770.php

https://www.vice.com/amp/en/article/pkp7gm/police-timeline-texas-school-shooting

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I feel frustrated because there is literally nothing me (as an average person) can do to change this or stop it happening.

Yes you can. Call your representatives. Over and over, not just this week, but regularly until we get legislation passed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The timeline that the shooter was inside the building seems murky. Apparently he was in the building for 40-60 minutes before being shot by a federal border patrol agent.

This is so disheartening. To me it appears that both the school officer and local Texas police officers weren’t brave enough to risk their lives for these little children.

https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Uvalde-Robb-Elementary-school-active-shooter-17195770.php

https://www.vice.com/amp/en/article/pkp7gm/police-timeline-texas-school-shooting

He had barricaded himself in. You can’t just run in there guns blazing, there are set protocols in place that are more effective. Just running at the door would result in all the LEO being killed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is a reason that underlies the United States’ “special relationship” with guns. It is just distasteful to consider

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/25/world/americas/2nd-amendment-gun-laws.html?referringSource=articleShare

I don’t have a subscription. Can you give us a synopsis?

The modern quest for gun control and the gun rights movement it triggered were born in the shadow of Brown (v. Board of Education of Topeka, the landmark Supreme Court ruling in 1954),” Reva Siegel, a constitutional scholar at Yale Law School, wrote in a 2008 article in the Harvard Law Review. “Directly and indirectly, conflicts over civil rights have shaped modern understandings of the Second Amendment.”

Desegregation sparked a reactionary backlash among white voters, particularly in the south, who saw it as overreach by the Supreme Court and federal government. That backlash, with the help of conservative political strategists, coalesced into a multi-issue political movement. Promises to protect the traditional family from the perceived threat of feminism drew in white women. And influential conservative lawyers framed the Second Amendment as a source of individual “counterrights” that conservatives could seek protection for in the courts — a counterbalance to progressive groups’ litigation on segregation and other issues.

JFC --- everything is not about race. I am from a rural area and we had guns and lots of them going back generations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In 2021 big tech spent $70 million in lobbying... silence

In 2021 big pharma spent $90 million in lobbying... silence

In 2021 the NRA spent $4.9 million in lobbying... RAGE!

We should be raging that lobbying (ie paying politicians) off isn’t a bigger deal than it is…. We should be raging about it all. But the topic at hand (after two recent mass shooting) is gun lobbying.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The timeline that the shooter was inside the building seems murky. Apparently he was in the building for 40-60 minutes before being shot by a federal border patrol agent.

This is so disheartening. To me it appears that both the school officer and local Texas police officers weren’t brave enough to risk their lives for these little children.

https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Uvalde-Robb-Elementary-school-active-shooter-17195770.php

https://www.vice.com/amp/en/article/pkp7gm/police-timeline-texas-school-shooting

He had barricaded himself in. You can’t just run in there guns blazing, there are set protocols in place that are more effective. Just running at the door would result in all the LEO being killed.

I think we have to wait a while to know what really happened.