ICE Shooting in Minneapolis

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You are not allowed to block ICE vehicles

There’s a longer video that shows that multiple other ICE vehicles were able to get by her without attempting to detain her or shooting her in the face. She was not blocking ICE vehicles when the ICE agents jumped out of that truck.

being parked across the road, forcing you to drive into the opposite lane of travel isn't blocking the road?

Cars could get through. Proper police should have come and arrested her. That's fine. They know how to do that. She was peacefully protesting, and when you do that you sometimes get arrested. (nonviolent resistance). No one's arguing that what she was doing was legal. But ICE doesn't have the jurisdiction to go around murdering people for blocking traffic. And they can't claim that she was trying to run them down - that's ridiculous. The ICE agent deliberately stepped in front of the vehicle and pointed his gun at her. He put himself in harms way and then claimed self defense.

The officer did not draw until she started to move forwards. The officer in front only comes into view, as the driver backs up and the driver is turning to the right changing the angle such that now her vehicle is pointed towards him. Turn the speed down to .25

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mS3caI3di8c&t=9s

[Anonymous]

One key aspect I have not seen discussed here or in the media:

- did the officers show their warrant to anybody there?

Because if they didn’t show a valid warrant then they were breaking the law! Has anyone even asked?

[Anonymous]

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You are not allowed to block ICE vehicles

There’s a longer video that shows that multiple other ICE vehicles were able to get by her without attempting to detain her or shooting her in the face. She was not blocking ICE vehicles when the ICE agents jumped out of that truck.

being parked across the road, forcing you to drive into the opposite lane of travel isn't blocking the road?

Cars could get through. Proper police should have come and arrested her. That's fine. They know how to do that. She was peacefully protesting, and when you do that you sometimes get arrested. (nonviolent resistance). No one's arguing that what she was doing was legal. But ICE doesn't have the jurisdiction to go around murdering people for blocking traffic. And they can't claim that she was trying to run them down - that's ridiculous. The ICE agent deliberately stepped in front of the vehicle and pointed his gun at her. He put himself in harms way and then claimed self defense.

Not to mention she wasn’t blocking traffic it was a two lane road, perhaps one way, but at any rate there was a white dashed line down the middle and she wasn’t straddling it she was in one of the two lanes. No one was passing a solid yellow lines to get around here.

People like PP are seeing what they want to see it’s gross.

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The claim that the shooter in Minnesota was injured and needed to be treated is undermined by a) he was seen walking away from the shooting, seemingly fine, and b) this is the same line the administration used to justify another DHS killing. Its a playbook.

Minneapolis Police Chief Brian O’Hara said he was told by the feds after the shooting that there no injuries to anyone other than the woman killed.

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Anonymous wrote:One key aspect I have not seen discussed here or in the media:

- did the officers show their warrant to anybody there?

Because if they didn’t show a valid warrant then they were breaking the law! Has anyone even asked?

they were not on active patrol...they were heading back to their HQ for a break...so there was no warrant or frankly, any reason for them to stop, at all

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Anonymous wrote:CNN just showed two videos of the incident. The second video clearly shows the victim hitting the ICE shooter with her SUV.

All of the videos have been posted on this thread. Are you talking about the one where she is going 2 miles per hour and the agent steps out of the way? Because that is that it showed.

No. She was going faster than the speed you stated and the video clearly shows that she hit the ICE agent with her SUV.

CNN shows two different videos of the incident. The second video shows the ICE agent being hit by the reckless driver trying to escape from law enforcement.

Video show not such thing. You are lying. Go back to Russia.

Yes it does. CNN played it twice on AC360 (Anderson Cooper). The second was in slow motion so that viewers could see clearly that the ICE shooter was hit by the SUV.

That video is posted upthread and that’s not what it shows. But regardless he shot after the vehicle was past him. One at the front side angle (through the windshield) and the other on the side.

There are at least two videos shown by CNN. The second video shows the ICE agent being hit when played in slow motion.

Nobody is buying this. He clearly was not hit and no real LEO would call this a clean shoot. He’s a murderer

The third cop is in front in the way of travel, he's the one that shot, not the one with his hands on the vehicle.

Even if he were brushed by the car, which I don’t think he was, but for the sake of argument what kind of idiot stands in front of a 3 ton SUV like that.

At any point in time she could have easily gotten confused and hit the gas instead of the brake, or thought her car was in reverse when it was in drive… that’s why officers aren’t supposed to stand infront of vehicles.

It’s looking more and more like an innocent women, who was trying to move off of a patch of ice, so was waving cars past her because she was on ice and the passing cars were on dry pavement with no traction issues… she didn’t want to skid or slide on the ice and ram into someone so she waited for a clear street, she was doing the right thing, they ambushed her and for that she’s dead.

These mad dogs, killed this woman.

No he was not "brushed with the car" The video is clear he is a murderer he shot her through the drivers window!

If you shoot someone through the front window, wouldnt that imply that they were in the path of the vehicle?

The drivers window is not the front window and LEO are trained not to put themselves in front of a car.

Yeah, she should have been reprimanded. Shot in the face like the Boston Marathon bomber leaving the scene?..... not so much. Common sense. Try it!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is a tragedy. An ICE officer is in the hospital after being hit by a moving car. A mother is dead. A child is an orphan. This is absolutely senseless. I wish people would stop harming law enforcement officers and themselves. LE is going to enforce the law, and that includes deportations. Please be safe everyone.

He isn't in the hospital.

He wasn't hit. He jumped out of the way.

He was not hurt.

He murdered her because he is a small man with a big gun.

What makes you say that? There are reports to the contrary including a tweet from POTUS on it.

lol, what a loser you are.

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Anonymous wrote:CNN just showed two videos of the incident. The second video clearly shows the victim hitting the ICE shooter with her SUV.

All of the videos have been posted on this thread. Are you talking about the one where she is going 2 miles per hour and the agent steps out of the way? Because that is that it showed.

No. She was going faster than the speed you stated and the video clearly shows that she hit the ICE agent with her SUV.

CNN shows two different videos of the incident. The second video shows the ICE agent being hit by the reckless driver trying to escape from law enforcement.

Video show not such thing. You are lying. Go back to Russia.

Yes it does. CNN played it twice on AC360 (Anderson Cooper). The second was in slow motion so that viewers could see clearly that the ICE shooter was hit by the SUV.

That video is posted upthread and that’s not what it shows. But regardless he shot after the vehicle was past him. One at the front side angle (through the windshield) and the other on the side.

There are at least two videos shown by CNN. The second video shows the ICE agent being hit when played in slow motion.

Nobody is buying this. He clearly was not hit and no real LEO would call this a clean shoot. He’s a murderer

The third cop is in front in the way of travel, he's the one that shot, not the one with his hands on the vehicle.

Even if he were brushed by the car, which I don’t think he was, but for the sake of argument what kind of idiot stands in front of a 3 ton SUV like that.

At any point in time she could have easily gotten confused and hit the gas instead of the brake, or thought her car was in reverse when it was in drive… that’s why officers aren’t supposed to stand infront of vehicles.

It’s looking more and more like an innocent women, who was trying to move off of a patch of ice, so was waving cars past her because she was on ice and the passing cars were on dry pavement with no traction issues… she didn’t want to skid or slide on the ice and ram into someone so she waited for a clear street, she was doing the right thing, they ambushed her and for that she’s dead.

These mad dogs, killed this woman.

No he was not "brushed with the car" The video is clear he is a murderer he shot her through the drivers window!

If you shoot someone through the front window, wouldnt that imply that they were in the path of the vehicle?

He snot her in the back of the head. That bullet either went straight through the back of her head and out her face and through the windshield or it was one that didn’t land and whizzed past the back of her head and through the window, exiting her car.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:ANYONE can put on some jackets saying ICE and attempt to carjack people.
Stay out of the road if you don't want to be hit by a scared person trying to avoid being carjacked.

You are not allowed to block ICE vehicles or run away if ICE is detaining you. U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers are federal police with nationwide jurisdiction, not contractors or security.
If ICE tells you to stop or that you are under arrest for interfering, you must comply. Refusing to obey lawful orders can legally result in detention, arrest, and the use of reasonable force.
Federal law is clear: 8 U.S. Code § 1357 gives ICE arrest and detention authority
18 U.S. Code § 111 makes it a crime to resist, obstruct, or impede federal officers
18 U.S. Code § 3052 grants federal arrest authority
You may observe or record in public. You may not block vehicles, interfere, ignore commands, or flee. ICE are real police, and federal law applies in every state.

How does one know that it is ICE vs random carjackers??

This year,.criminals have even pretended to be ICE to rob others or attempt rape (I can pull a couple articles if you need receipts). She waves them to go by her so she can go, then suddenly they are in her face with a gun. I'd be confused and terrified too.

She was specifically there to video the protests and block the ICE convoy with her vehicle. There are witness statements saying this on NBC and other news. Along with witnesses saying ICE/police were shouting at her to move her car prior to them getting out. I don’t think she should have been shot. But it’s also untrue that she was just a random woman getting milk and had no idea what was going on or who they were and thought it was a car jacking

[Anonymous]

Watch the extended video here. Start around 1:40:53

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VH4efIHP2lc&t=6100s

You can see the shooter walk away from the vehicle, pull up his mask, and leaves the scene.

Is that what law enforcement officers do after they shoot someone? He skedaddled before the actual police could arrive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ANYONE can put on some jackets saying ICE and attempt to carjack people.
Stay out of the road if you don't want to be hit by a scared person trying to avoid being carjacked.

You are not allowed to block ICE vehicles or run away if ICE is detaining you. U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers are federal police with nationwide jurisdiction, not contractors or security.
If ICE tells you to stop or that you are under arrest for interfering, you must comply. Refusing to obey lawful orders can legally result in detention, arrest, and the use of reasonable force.
Federal law is clear: 8 U.S. Code § 1357 gives ICE arrest and detention authority
18 U.S. Code § 111 makes it a crime to resist, obstruct, or impede federal officers
18 U.S. Code § 3052 grants federal arrest authority
You may observe or record in public. You may not block vehicles, interfere, ignore commands, or flee. ICE are real police, and federal law applies in every state.

How does one know that it is ICE vs random carjackers??

This year,.criminals have even pretended to be ICE to rob others or attempt rape (I can pull a couple articles if you need receipts). She waves them to go by her so she can go, then suddenly they are in her face with a gun. I'd be confused and terrified too.

She was specifically there to video the protests and block the ICE convoy with her vehicle. There are witness statements saying this on NBC and other news. Along with witnesses saying ICE/police were shouting at her to move her car prior to them getting out. I don’t think she should have been shot. But it’s also untrue that she was just a random woman getting milk and had no idea what was going on or who they were and thought it was a car jacking

She made very poor decisions today. The officer that shot her was a sworn in professional who made the poorest decision. Anyone with an IQ over 80 will tell you this same thing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ANYONE can put on some jackets saying ICE and attempt to carjack people.
Stay out of the road if you don't want to be hit by a scared person trying to avoid being carjacked.

You are not allowed to block ICE vehicles or run away if ICE is detaining you. U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers are federal police with nationwide jurisdiction, not contractors or security.
If ICE tells you to stop or that you are under arrest for interfering, you must comply. Refusing to obey lawful orders can legally result in detention, arrest, and the use of reasonable force.
Federal law is clear: 8 U.S. Code § 1357 gives ICE arrest and detention authority
18 U.S. Code § 111 makes it a crime to resist, obstruct, or impede federal officers
18 U.S. Code § 3052 grants federal arrest authority
You may observe or record in public. You may not block vehicles, interfere, ignore commands, or flee. ICE are real police, and federal law applies in every state.

How does one know that it is ICE vs random carjackers??

This year,.criminals have even pretended to be ICE to rob others or attempt rape (I can pull a couple articles if you need receipts). She waves them to go by her so she can go, then suddenly they are in her face with a gun. I'd be confused and terrified too.

She was specifically there to video the protests and block the ICE convoy with her vehicle. There are witness statements saying this on NBC and other news. Along with witnesses saying ICE/police were shouting at her to move her car prior to them getting out. I don’t think she should have been shot. But it’s also untrue that she was just a random woman getting milk and had no idea what was going on or who they were and thought it was a car jacking

She made very poor decisions today. The officer that shot her was a sworn in professional who made the poorest decision. Anyone with an IQ over 80 will tell you this same thing.

I would agree with this

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CNN is reporting that a physician was on the scene of the shooting. The physician tried to assist the wounded woman. An ICE agent yelled at the physician to get away from the woman or he would shoot him too. The physician had no choice but to step back.

The woman bled out and died on the cold Minnesota ground.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ANYONE can put on some jackets saying ICE and attempt to carjack people.
Stay out of the road if you don't want to be hit by a scared person trying to avoid being carjacked.

You are not allowed to block ICE vehicles or run away if ICE is detaining you. U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers are federal police with nationwide jurisdiction, not contractors or security.
If ICE tells you to stop or that you are under arrest for interfering, you must comply. Refusing to obey lawful orders can legally result in detention, arrest, and the use of reasonable force.
Federal law is clear: 8 U.S. Code § 1357 gives ICE arrest and detention authority
18 U.S. Code § 111 makes it a crime to resist, obstruct, or impede federal officers
18 U.S. Code § 3052 grants federal arrest authority
You may observe or record in public. You may not block vehicles, interfere, ignore commands, or flee. ICE are real police, and federal law applies in every state.

How does one know that it is ICE vs random carjackers??

This year,.criminals have even pretended to be ICE to rob others or attempt rape (I can pull a couple articles if you need receipts). She waves them to go by her so she can go, then suddenly they are in her face with a gun. I'd be confused and terrified too.

She was specifically there to video the protests and block the ICE convoy with her vehicle. There are witness statements saying this on NBC and other news. Along with witnesses saying ICE/police were shouting at her to move her car prior to them getting out. I don’t think she should have been shot. But it’s also untrue that she was just a random woman getting milk and had no idea what was going on or who they were and thought it was a car jacking

What ICE convoy? Noem said that the ICE agents were just driving by to help dig someone's car out of the snow.

I thought she was blocking traffic as part of a general protest. Was there an actual scheduled "ICE convoy" announced in advance that was going to go down the street for some reason? That doesn't seem like good security to me.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:He needs to rot in jail for murder.
Anyone who helped him needs to as well.

There was a doctor there for god's sake and ICE would not let him through.

WTH is wrong with you MAGA the video is 100% clear! ICE can not murder US Citizens or anyone for that matter deadly force is unacceptable period.

When elections come around you are ok with this coming to your city so Trump can stay king?

God dammed stupidest cult ever!

He made the mistake of an inexperienced officer. Since that mistake resulted in homicide, he deserves 6 to 20 years with the exact amount of time depending on many factors.

I saw his picture - he's not a young man. And if Noem is correct that he was dragged in a car back in June or July? He's had almost 6 months on this job. And surely, SURELY, ICE agents are hired with some law enforcement experience? Before being given guns and told to hunt illegal immigrants?