My kid is in a class with a chair thrower

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Anonymous wrote:I would be so scared for my child. If I wasn’t satisfied with the school’s response and I couldn’t reassign my child I would have DC wear a helmet and full protective gear. Seriously, I’m not risking bodily injury for my child for the sake of not offending a violent classmate.


I’m really curious what protective suit you make them wear when they’re in the car…
They have seatbelts and airbags and a safe driver. I don’t allow object throwers in my vehicle. See, society has devised ways to protect people from bodily harm in their vehicles. Why not in the classroom?


Right, but those monkey bars and slides are death traps. Also amusement park rides, planes, pools, even the car seats have death warnings on them. Hell, paper cuts can sting. So never mind bubble wrap your kid and watch the boy in the bubble episode from Seinfeld!


You're a pretty sick twisted individual. Defending this nonsense makes you seem more insane than empathetic. What is actually wrong with you?


I’m making fun of your anxiety. Catastrophizing (When a person fixates on the worst possible outcome and treats it as likely, even when it is not) doesn’t help you make sense of the world, but humor can help. So, Seinfeld to the rescue.
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Anonymous wrote:I would be so scared for my child. If I wasn’t satisfied with the school’s response and I couldn’t reassign my child I would have DC wear a helmet and full protective gear. Seriously, I’m not risking bodily injury for my child for the sake of not offending a violent classmate.


I’m really curious what protective suit you make them wear when they’re in the car…
They have seatbelts and airbags and a safe driver. I don’t allow object throwers in my vehicle. See, society has devised ways to protect people from bodily harm in their vehicles. Why not in the classroom?


Right, but those monkey bars and slides are death traps. Also amusement park rides, planes, pools, even the car seats have death warnings on them. Hell, paper cuts can sting. So never mind bubble wrap your kid and watch the boy in the bubble episode from Seinfeld!


You're a pretty sick twisted individual. Defending this nonsense makes you seem more insane than empathetic. What is actually wrong with you?


I’m making fun of your anxiety. Catastrophizing (When a person fixates on the worst possible outcome and treats it as likely, even when it is not) doesn’t help you make sense of the world, but humor can help. So, Seinfeld to the rescue.


The actual bubble boy had a terrible immunodeficiency disease that killed him at age 12. It really isn’t funny.
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Anonymous wrote:I would be so scared for my child. If I wasn’t satisfied with the school’s response and I couldn’t reassign my child I would have DC wear a helmet and full protective gear. Seriously, I’m not risking bodily injury for my child for the sake of not offending a violent classmate.


I’m really curious what protective suit you make them wear when they’re in the car…
They have seatbelts and airbags and a safe driver. I don’t allow object throwers in my vehicle. See, society has devised ways to protect people from bodily harm in their vehicles. Why not in the classroom?


Right, but those monkey bars and slides are death traps. Also amusement park rides, planes, pools, even the car seats have death warnings on them. Hell, paper cuts can sting. So never mind bubble wrap your kid and watch the boy in the bubble episode from Seinfeld!


You're a pretty sick twisted individual. Defending this nonsense makes you seem more insane than empathetic. What is actually wrong with you?


I’m making fun of your anxiety. Catastrophizing (When a person fixates on the worst possible outcome and treats it as likely, even when it is not) doesn’t help you make sense of the world, but humor can help. So, Seinfeld to the rescue.


But your child being in virtual classes for a few months until appropriate support can be arranged is a tragedy, right?
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Anonymous wrote:Counties hide behind LRE to act like it’s the legal requirement for a certain child. In reality mainstream classes are just cheaper. Self-contained is way more expensive so they try to keep anyone they can mainstream. Even if the classroom teacher and the sped teacher and the parents agree the placement is not working, the county will fight it. I’ve seen it happen.


Private schools are failing because of this. Parents will not use them and vote to defund them. It is a death spiral.


You know what is also expensive? TJ. But the school board finds the money to help the advanced kids get even more advanced. They found the money for that. So the kids who are just normal are in the classroom with the disruptive kids and the majority go downhill because they don't have the same advocacy power.


What mainstreaming does is turn regular classrooms into special education classrooms, but it is the wrong fit for everyone.


+1

Schools need SPED rooms, but the SPED parents fight it.


"Segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever!"


Safety from violence for children in school now, tomorrow and forever!


YES

Get kids the help they need, dammit.

Where were these issues 30, 40, 50 years ago? What has changed?


Years ago, probably more than 50, people were institutionalized even with mild disabilities. And people with behavioral issues were heavily medicated with psychotropic medications. I spent a bunch of years working in institutions with those people.

Then laws began to be enacted to protect the rights of those with disabilities. There was the Pennhurst case in PA where the institution was closed due to the abuse and abysmal conditions and all programs came under significant oversight.

Laws were developed that called for community based programs and intermediate care facilities. In 1975 IDEA was enacted which provided for education in the least restrictive environment for all kids.

Also we learned about the permanent side effects of psychotropics which led to decreased usage and increased oversight of the use. Even in institutions they would only be used as a last option. They were known as chemical restraints and they fell as out of favor as physical restraints.

Things were very different.

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Anonymous wrote:Counties hide behind LRE to act like it’s the legal requirement for a certain child. In reality mainstream classes are just cheaper. Self-contained is way more expensive so they try to keep anyone they can mainstream. Even if the classroom teacher and the sped teacher and the parents agree the placement is not working, the county will fight it. I’ve seen it happen.


Private schools are failing because of this. Parents will not use them and vote to defund them. It is a death spiral.


You know what is also expensive? TJ. But the school board finds the money to help the advanced kids get even more advanced. They found the money for that. So the kids who are just normal are in the classroom with the disruptive kids and the majority go downhill because they don't have the same advocacy power.


What mainstreaming does is turn regular classrooms into special education classrooms, but it is the wrong fit for everyone.


+1

Schools need SPED rooms, but the SPED parents fight it.


"Segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever!"


Safety from violence for children in school now, tomorrow and forever!


YES

Get kids the help they need, dammit.

Where were these issues 30, 40, 50 years ago? What has changed?


Years ago, probably more than 50, people were institutionalized even with mild disabilities. And people with behavioral issues were heavily medicated with psychotropic medications. I spent a bunch of years working in institutions with those people.

Then laws began to be enacted to protect the rights of those with disabilities. There was the Pennhurst case in PA where the institution was closed due to the abuse and abysmal conditions and all programs came under significant oversight.

Laws were developed that called for community based programs and intermediate care facilities. In 1975 IDEA was enacted which provided for education in the least restrictive environment for all kids.

Also we learned about the permanent side effects of psychotropics which led to decreased usage and increased oversight of the use. Even in institutions they would only be used as a last option. They were known as chemical restraints and they fell as out of favor as physical restraints.

Things were very different.



That’s what the other PP refers to as the good ol’ days, while dreaming of what could have been if George Wallace won the primary and presidency in 1964.
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Anonymous wrote:I would be so scared for my child. If I wasn’t satisfied with the school’s response and I couldn’t reassign my child I would have DC wear a helmet and full protective gear. Seriously, I’m not risking bodily injury for my child for the sake of not offending a violent classmate.


I’m really curious what protective suit you make them wear when they’re in the car…
They have seatbelts and airbags and a safe driver. I don’t allow object throwers in my vehicle. See, society has devised ways to protect people from bodily harm in their vehicles. Why not in the classroom?


Right, but those monkey bars and slides are death traps. Also amusement park rides, planes, pools, even the car seats have death warnings on them. Hell, paper cuts can sting. So never mind bubble wrap your kid and watch the boy in the bubble episode from Seinfeld!


You're a pretty sick twisted individual. Defending this nonsense makes you seem more insane than empathetic. What is actually wrong with you?


I’m making fun of your anxiety. Catastrophizing (When a person fixates on the worst possible outcome and treats it as likely, even when it is not) doesn’t help you make sense of the world, but humor can help. So, Seinfeld to the rescue.


But your child being in virtual classes for a few months until appropriate support can be arranged is a tragedy, right?


No, I am able to rationally understand that even if a kid in my child’s class is throwing a chair:

1. She most likely will duck or move out of the way
2. If hit, they may require stitches, but probably nothing more. Concussions are much more likely on the playground/soccer field
3. She has made it to middle school without being hit by chairs or anyone
4. A chair isn’t a gun and I save my fears for larger issues.

Honestly, raising kids is a long road and if you think you can insulate your kid from all injury or hurt, they are going to inherit all that anxiety from you.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I would be so scared for my child. If I wasn’t satisfied with the school’s response and I couldn’t reassign my child I would have DC wear a helmet and full protective gear. Seriously, I’m not risking bodily injury for my child for the sake of not offending a violent classmate.


I’m really curious what protective suit you make them wear when they’re in the car…
They have seatbelts and airbags and a safe driver. I don’t allow object throwers in my vehicle. See, society has devised ways to protect people from bodily harm in their vehicles. Why not in the classroom?


Right, but those monkey bars and slides are death traps. Also amusement park rides, planes, pools, even the car seats have death warnings on them. Hell, paper cuts can sting. So never mind bubble wrap your kid and watch the boy in the bubble episode from Seinfeld!


You're a pretty sick twisted individual. Defending this nonsense makes you seem more insane than empathetic. What is actually wrong with you?


I’m making fun of your anxiety. Catastrophizing (When a person fixates on the worst possible outcome and treats it as likely, even when it is not) doesn’t help you make sense of the world, but humor can help. So, Seinfeld to the rescue.


So, you're a troll. That much is obvious.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I would be so scared for my child. If I wasn’t satisfied with the school’s response and I couldn’t reassign my child I would have DC wear a helmet and full protective gear. Seriously, I’m not risking bodily injury for my child for the sake of not offending a violent classmate.


I’m really curious what protective suit you make them wear when they’re in the car…
They have seatbelts and airbags and a safe driver. I don’t allow object throwers in my vehicle. See, society has devised ways to protect people from bodily harm in their vehicles. Why not in the classroom?


Right, but those monkey bars and slides are death traps. Also amusement park rides, planes, pools, even the car seats have death warnings on them. Hell, paper cuts can sting. So never mind bubble wrap your kid and watch the boy in the bubble episode from Seinfeld!


You're a pretty sick twisted individual. Defending this nonsense makes you seem more insane than empathetic. What is actually wrong with you?


I’m making fun of your anxiety. Catastrophizing (When a person fixates on the worst possible outcome and treats it as likely, even when it is not) doesn’t help you make sense of the world, but humor can help. So, Seinfeld to the rescue.


But your child being in virtual classes for a few months until appropriate support can be arranged is a tragedy, right?


No, I am able to rationally understand that even if a kid in my child’s class is throwing a chair:

1. She most likely will duck or move out of the way
2. If hit, they may require stitches, but probably nothing more. Concussions are much more likely on the playground/soccer field
3. She has made it to middle school without being hit by chairs or anyone
4. A chair isn’t a gun and I save my fears for larger issues.

Honestly, raising kids is a long road and if you think you can insulate your kid from all injury or hurt, they are going to inherit all that anxiety from you.


It's weird how cute you think all this is. Stitches! No biggie. A trip to the ER and time off work costs nothing. How big of you.
Anonymous
OP here.

I have learned a lot from this thread.

I am surprised by the other parents who have posted here who think this is no big deal.

The parents of the violent kids with behavioral problems, especially the one who posted hoping that my kid will get hit with a chair and that I will get divorced, and the other who called my kid a snitch and bragged that her kid "beat the hell out of someone" has convinced me to go all in in terms of contacting the school and documenting this, as well as speaking with the other parents of the normal kids in the class to make sure they contact the school too. It is clear that the parents of these types of kids will be happy to defend them and minimize the effects of their behavior, and make sure they stay in the classroom, no matter what damage they do to the other kids.

I don't know about the rest of you, but I am generally able to go about my daily business without worrying that someone will throw a chair at me and I think my 6 year old deserves the same.
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Anonymous wrote:OP here.

I have learned a lot from this thread.

I am surprised by the other parents who have posted here who think this is no big deal.

The parents of the violent kids with behavioral problems, especially the one who posted hoping that my kid will get hit with a chair and that I will get divorced, and the other who called my kid a snitch and bragged that her kid "beat the hell out of someone" has convinced me to go all in in terms of contacting the school and documenting this, as well as speaking with the other parents of the normal kids in the class to make sure they contact the school too. It is clear that the parents of these types of kids will be happy to defend them and minimize the effects of their behavior, and make sure they stay in the classroom, no matter what damage they do to the other kids.

I don't know about the rest of you, but I am generally able to go about my daily business without worrying that someone will throw a chair at me and I think my 6 year old deserves the same.


The apples don't fall far from the tree. So it's not surprising that the families would react this way.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:OP here.

I have learned a lot from this thread.

I am surprised by the other parents who have posted here who think this is no big deal.

The parents of the violent kids with behavioral problems, especially the one who posted hoping that my kid will get hit with a chair and that I will get divorced, and the other who called my kid a snitch and bragged that her kid "beat the hell out of someone" has convinced me to go all in in terms of contacting the school and documenting this, as well as speaking with the other parents of the normal kids in the class to make sure they contact the school too. It is clear that the parents of these types of kids will be happy to defend them and minimize the effects of their behavior, and make sure they stay in the classroom, no matter what damage they do to the other kids.

I don't know about the rest of you, but I am generally able to go about my daily business without worrying that someone will throw a chair at me and I think my 6 year old deserves the same.


Do what you feel is best, but understand that you seriously undercut your position when you refer to the "normal kids."
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Anonymous wrote:I would be so scared for my child. If I wasn’t satisfied with the school’s response and I couldn’t reassign my child I would have DC wear a helmet and full protective gear. Seriously, I’m not risking bodily injury for my child for the sake of not offending a violent classmate.


I’m really curious what protective suit you make them wear when they’re in the car…
They have seatbelts and airbags and a safe driver. I don’t allow object throwers in my vehicle. See, society has devised ways to protect people from bodily harm in their vehicles. Why not in the classroom?


Right, but those monkey bars and slides are death traps. Also amusement park rides, planes, pools, even the car seats have death warnings on them. Hell, paper cuts can sting. So never mind bubble wrap your kid and watch the boy in the bubble episode from Seinfeld!


You're a pretty sick twisted individual. Defending this nonsense makes you seem more insane than empathetic. What is actually wrong with you?


I’m making fun of your anxiety. Catastrophizing (When a person fixates on the worst possible outcome and treats it as likely, even when it is not) doesn’t help you make sense of the world, but humor can help. So, Seinfeld to the rescue.


But your child being in virtual classes for a few months until appropriate support can be arranged is a tragedy, right?


No, I am able to rationally understand that even if a kid in my child’s class is throwing a chair:

1. She most likely will duck or move out of the way
2. If hit, they may require stitches, but probably nothing more. Concussions are much more likely on the playground/soccer field
3. She has made it to middle school without being hit by chairs or anyone
4. A chair isn’t a gun and I save my fears for larger issues.

Honestly, raising kids is a long road and if you think you can insulate your kid from all injury or hurt, they are going to inherit all that anxiety from you.


It's weird how cute you think all this is. Stitches! No biggie. A trip to the ER and time off work costs nothing. How big of you.


Cute? No, I think the anxiety level you are showing is a detriment to your child’s development. Truly. I started off trying to make it humorous, but if this is a huge concern in your life, don’t let your kid play sports, play outside or climb a tree.

Also read this article:

https://www.psychotherapynetworker.org/article/bubble-wrapping-our-children


Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:OP here.

I have learned a lot from this thread.

I am surprised by the other parents who have posted here who think this is no big deal.

The parents of the violent kids with behavioral problems, especially the one who posted hoping that my kid will get hit with a chair and that I will get divorced, and the other who called my kid a snitch and bragged that her kid "beat the hell out of someone" has convinced me to go all in in terms of contacting the school and documenting this, as well as speaking with the other parents of the normal kids in the class to make sure they contact the school too. It is clear that the parents of these types of kids will be happy to defend them and minimize the effects of their behavior, and make sure they stay in the classroom, no matter what damage they do to the other kids.

I don't know about the rest of you, but I am generally able to go about my daily business without worrying that someone will throw a chair at me and I think my 6 year old deserves the same.


Do what you feel is best, but understand that you seriously undercut your position when you refer to the "normal kids."


Presumably meaning non-violent
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Anonymous wrote:I would be so scared for my child. If I wasn’t satisfied with the school’s response and I couldn’t reassign my child I would have DC wear a helmet and full protective gear. Seriously, I’m not risking bodily injury for my child for the sake of not offending a violent classmate.


I’m really curious what protective suit you make them wear when they’re in the car…
They have seatbelts and airbags and a safe driver. I don’t allow object throwers in my vehicle. See, society has devised ways to protect people from bodily harm in their vehicles. Why not in the classroom?


Right, but those monkey bars and slides are death traps. Also amusement park rides, planes, pools, even the car seats have death warnings on them. Hell, paper cuts can sting. So never mind bubble wrap your kid and watch the boy in the bubble episode from Seinfeld!


You're a pretty sick twisted individual. Defending this nonsense makes you seem more insane than empathetic. What is actually wrong with you?


I’m making fun of your anxiety. Catastrophizing (When a person fixates on the worst possible outcome and treats it as likely, even when it is not) doesn’t help you make sense of the world, but humor can help. So, Seinfeld to the rescue.


So, you're a troll. That much is obvious.


You really think the most likely scenario when a kid is out of control that in a group of 25 kids, first of all the kid is aiming at other kids with the chair, AND that YOUR kid will be the one most likely hit by a chair AND that your kid won’t duck AND that the chair will seriously (not bruising, not a gash but seriously damage your child) and maim him or her for life? AND that this will happen so often and that so often your kid will be the one always targeted out of 25 kids, that you will need to send your kid to school in a helmet, and Tae Kwon Do level of protection.

This is what you believe? That is catastrophizing, it isn’t born out by any kind of probability. Best of luck to you and your kids.
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Anonymous wrote:I would be so scared for my child. If I wasn’t satisfied with the school’s response and I couldn’t reassign my child I would have DC wear a helmet and full protective gear. Seriously, I’m not risking bodily injury for my child for the sake of not offending a violent classmate.


I’m really curious what protective suit you make them wear when they’re in the car…
They have seatbelts and airbags and a safe driver. I don’t allow object throwers in my vehicle. See, society has devised ways to protect people from bodily harm in their vehicles. Why not in the classroom?


Right, but those monkey bars and slides are death traps. Also amusement park rides, planes, pools, even the car seats have death warnings on them. Hell, paper cuts can sting. So never mind bubble wrap your kid and watch the boy in the bubble episode from Seinfeld!


You're a pretty sick twisted individual. Defending this nonsense makes you seem more insane than empathetic. What is actually wrong with you?


I’m making fun of your anxiety. Catastrophizing (When a person fixates on the worst possible outcome and treats it as likely, even when it is not) doesn’t help you make sense of the world, but humor can help. So, Seinfeld to the rescue.


But your child being in virtual classes for a few months until appropriate support can be arranged is a tragedy, right?


No, I am able to rationally understand that even if a kid in my child’s class is throwing a chair:

1. She most likely will duck or move out of the way
2. If hit, they may require stitches, but probably nothing more. Concussions are much more likely on the playground/soccer field
3. She has made it to middle school without being hit by chairs or anyone
4. A chair isn’t a gun and I save my fears for larger issues.

Honestly, raising kids is a long road and if you think you can insulate your kid from all injury or hurt, they are going to inherit all that anxiety from you.


It's weird how cute you think all this is. Stitches! No biggie. A trip to the ER and time off work costs nothing. How big of you.


Cute? No, I think the anxiety level you are showing is a detriment to your child’s development. Truly. I started off trying to make it humorous, but if this is a huge concern in your life, don’t let your kid play sports, play outside or climb a tree.

Also read this article:

https://www.psychotherapynetworker.org/article/bubble-wrapping-our-children




There is more than one person responding here. I'm not the one you think is full of anxiety. And it's really cute you're lecturing people on their parenting and development. In a thread about chair throwing children. But, stay trolling when you clearly have no skin in this game.
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