Court: TJ's New Admission Policy Does Not Discriminate

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Anonymous wrote:Any opinions on suing FCPS fails to achieve equality and inclusion for Asian American students in sports teams?

Sports teams exist to compete and win games. In the absence of that competitive element, they would be intramurals, which anyone can join if they want to.

No one is suing for more Black kids to get to join the math team either. That would be a decent analogy.

TJ does not exist to top any rankings or win any competitions. Why is that so challenging for you to understand?

Is your mind so simplistic that you expect all selective processes to operate the exact same way regardless of the end goal of the entity?

Do they?

Have you read VHSL's mission and vision statements? I see a lot about participation and nothing about winning. FCPS's activities and athletics page promises participation at all levels and doesn't mention anything about winning. Do you have any source that high school athletics in Fairfax County exist to win games?

Interscholastic high school athletics do. The evidence of it is in the existence of district, region, and state championships. Eliminate those and you might have a point.

Funny that FCPS and VHSL don't actually say that. I guess they don't really know what their own mission is

Well, that's neither here nor there. They schedule games and competitions against the other schools and titles are awarded to the winners. TJ's clubs do the same thing, and as a consequence they generally select the participants from the pool of available students who will give them the best chance to win those competitions. But TJ as an entire school does not actively compete against anyone in any sense. Therefore, to compare admissions to the school with selection to any sort of team for a competition is REALLY dumb.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Any opinions on suing FCPS fails to achieve equality and inclusion for Asian American students in sports teams?

Sports teams exist to compete and win games. In the absence of that competitive element, they would be intramurals, which anyone can join if they want to.

No one is suing for more Black kids to get to join the math team either. That would be a decent analogy.

TJ does not exist to top any rankings or win any competitions. Why is that so challenging for you to understand?

Is your mind so simplistic that you expect all selective processes to operate the exact same way regardless of the end goal of the entity?

Do they?

Have you read VHSL's mission and vision statements? I see a lot about participation and nothing about winning. FCPS's activities and athletics page promises participation at all levels and doesn't mention anything about winning. Do you have any source that high school athletics in Fairfax County exist to win games?

Interscholastic high school athletics do. The evidence of it is in the existence of district, region, and state championships. Eliminate those and you might have a point.

Funny that FCPS and VHSL don't actually say that. I guess they don't really know what their own mission is

Well, that's neither here nor there. They schedule games and competitions against the other schools and titles are awarded to the winners. TJ's clubs do the same thing, and as a consequence they generally select the participants from the pool of available students who will give them the best chance to win those competitions. But TJ as an entire school does not actively compete against anyone in any sense. Therefore, to compare admissions to the school with selection to any sort of team for a competition is REALLY dumb.

Or, you are too dumb to understand. Maybe just too shame to admit the shameful steals from hard-working people.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Any opinions on suing FCPS fails to achieve equality and inclusion for Asian American students in sports teams?

Sports teams exist to compete and win games. In the absence of that competitive element, they would be intramurals, which anyone can join if they want to.

No one is suing for more Black kids to get to join the math team either. That would be a decent analogy.

TJ does not exist to top any rankings or win any competitions. Why is that so challenging for you to understand?

Is your mind so simplistic that you expect all selective processes to operate the exact same way regardless of the end goal of the entity?

Really, I thought liberal like you does not want fair competition. Everyone should be the winner, right? It will hurt the loser's feelings.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Any opinions on suing FCPS fails to achieve equality and inclusion for Asian American students in sports teams?

Sports teams exist to compete and win games. In the absence of that competitive element, they would be intramurals, which anyone can join if they want to.

No one is suing for more Black kids to get to join the math team either. That would be a decent analogy.

TJ does not exist to top any rankings or win any competitions. Why is that so challenging for you to understand?

Is your mind so simplistic that you expect all selective processes to operate the exact same way regardless of the end goal of the entity?

This is actually a really good point. I hadn’t thought about that before.

I guess they don't like Math.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is that U.S is quickly becoming a country where people are demanding handouts, no hard work, no accountability, just hand over stuff to us. These things will have big implications down the road.

Liberals who support such policies are notorious for living in mostly white enclaves. Ask me how I know.

I'd counter it's becoming a country where people are demanding fairness and an end to the handouts for the wealthy which allow them to put their thumb on the scale.

TJ (or, more precisely, the middle class Asian community at TJ) was an east target but Langley sure must be laughing their asses off reading this.

The middle class Asian community at TJ wasn’t a target at all. They were already at TJ.

The target was the nine-figure TJ prep industrial complex which was populated mostly by the wealthy whose kids couldn’t get into TJ without it.

No, the goal was to change the racial and socioeconomic demographics.

Otherwise, they would have emphasized inputs that the prep industry can’t really touch like math and science competitions and teacher recs.

The prep industry just shifted focus to the essay. It’s still there.

You want an emphasize on clubs that only exist at a few schools?

If the goal was to eliminate the prep industry then that’s what you’d do. Craft the admissions criteria around inputs the prep industry can’t touch. You can do other things like the teacher recs or put emphasis on a higher GPA like 3.95. Prep industry can’t do much about that.

But no, eliminating the prep industry was never the main goal.

The goal was engineering a different racial and socioeconomic demographic.

Deliberate form of racial suppression by putting number limits on Asian Americans students. 4000+ public schools in United States with majority black students is not a problem, but 1 stem school with majority Asian American students is an unpleasant view for racist school board?

Exactly. Double standard liberal extremist.

That's fake news. There are no limits. It's a race-blind process.

Not true. It is a apparent race-blind process

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Any opinions on suing FCPS fails to achieve equality and inclusion for Asian American students in sports teams?

Sports teams exist to compete and win games. In the absence of that competitive element, they would be intramurals, which anyone can join if they want to.

No one is suing for more Black kids to get to join the math team either. That would be a decent analogy.

TJ does not exist to top any rankings or win any competitions. Why is that so challenging for you to understand?

Is your mind so simplistic that you expect all selective processes to operate the exact same way regardless of the end goal of the entity?

TJ admission is kind of a competition. Students compete and the winners get the 550 seats.
TJ should admit the best 550 students.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Any opinions on suing FCPS fails to achieve equality and inclusion for Asian American students in sports teams?

Sports teams exist to compete and win games. In the absence of that competitive element, they would be intramurals, which anyone can join if they want to.

No one is suing for more Black kids to get to join the math team either. That would be a decent analogy.

TJ does not exist to top any rankings or win any competitions. Why is that so challenging for you to understand?

Is your mind so simplistic that you expect all selective processes to operate the exact same way regardless of the end goal of the entity?

Do they?

Have you read VHSL's mission and vision statements? I see a lot about participation and nothing about winning. FCPS's activities and athletics page promises participation at all levels and doesn't mention anything about winning. Do you have any source that high school athletics in Fairfax County exist to win games?

Interscholastic high school athletics do. The evidence of it is in the existence of district, region, and state championships. Eliminate those and you might have a point.

Funny that FCPS and VHSL don't actually say that. I guess they don't really know what their own mission is

Well, that's neither here nor there. They schedule games and competitions against the other schools and titles are awarded to the winners. TJ's clubs do the same thing, and as a consequence they generally select the participants from the pool of available students who will give them the best chance to win those competitions. But TJ as an entire school does not actively compete against anyone in any sense. Therefore, to compare admissions to the school with selection to any sort of team for a competition is REALLY dumb.

Or, you are too dumb to understand. Maybe just too shame to admit the shameful steals from hard-working people.

You are not doing your cause a favor by spouting nonsense like this.

You are behaving as though your group is entitled to a thing that you are not entitled to. And you’re acting as though your perspective as to how the process should be conducted is the only one that is legitimate.

It’s the kind of tone and behavior that one would expect out of a petulant seven year old who just discovered the idea of having an opinion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Any opinions on suing FCPS fails to achieve equality and inclusion for Asian American students in sports teams?

Sports teams exist to compete and win games. In the absence of that competitive element, they would be intramurals, which anyone can join if they want to.

No one is suing for more Black kids to get to join the math team either. That would be a decent analogy.

TJ does not exist to top any rankings or win any competitions. Why is that so challenging for you to understand?

Is your mind so simplistic that you expect all selective processes to operate the exact same way regardless of the end goal of the entity?

TJ admission is kind of a competition. Students compete and the winners get the 550 seats.
TJ should admit the best 550 students.

While I disagree with the implied premise that you have a clue of how to select the best 550 students…

I would ask you - why? Why should TJ admit the best 550 students?

And what makes you think they ever have? I was once one of them many years ago - does that give you confidence that they’ve ever managed to do it?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is that U.S is quickly becoming a country where people are demanding handouts, no hard work, no accountability, just hand over stuff to us. These things will have big implications down the road.

Liberals who support such policies are notorious for living in mostly white enclaves. Ask me how I know.

I'd counter it's becoming a country where people are demanding fairness and an end to the handouts for the wealthy which allow them to put their thumb on the scale.

TJ (or, more precisely, the middle class Asian community at TJ) was an east target but Langley sure must be laughing their asses off reading this.

The middle class Asian community at TJ wasn’t a target at all. They were already at TJ.

The target was the nine-figure TJ prep industrial complex which was populated mostly by the wealthy whose kids couldn’t get into TJ without it.

No, the goal was to change the racial and socioeconomic demographics.

Otherwise, they would have emphasized inputs that the prep industry can’t really touch like math and science competitions and teacher recs.

The prep industry just shifted focus to the essay. It’s still there.

You want an emphasize on clubs that only exist at a few schools?

If the goal was to eliminate the prep industry then that’s what you’d do. Craft the admissions criteria around inputs the prep industry can’t touch. You can do other things like the teacher recs or put emphasis on a higher GPA like 3.95. Prep industry can’t do much about that.

But no, eliminating the prep industry was never the main goal.

The goal was engineering a different racial and socioeconomic demographic.

Deliberate form of racial suppression by putting number limits on Asian Americans students. 4000+ public schools in United States with majority black students is not a problem, but 1 stem school with majority Asian American students is an unpleasant view for racist school board?

Exactly. Double standard liberal extremist.

That's fake news. There are no limits. It's a race-blind process.

Not true. It is a apparent race-blind process

It is by definition a race-blind process, as it has always been.

We can argue about whether it is a race-neutral process, though that’s largely a silly argument because every ounce of statistical evidence shows that the old process was NOT race-neutral while the new one is. But it is unquestionably race-blind.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Any opinions on suing FCPS fails to achieve equality and inclusion for Asian American students in sports teams?

Sports teams exist to compete and win games. In the absence of that competitive element, they would be intramurals, which anyone can join if they want to.

No one is suing for more Black kids to get to join the math team either. That would be a decent analogy.

TJ does not exist to top any rankings or win any competitions. Why is that so challenging for you to understand?

Is your mind so simplistic that you expect all selective processes to operate the exact same way regardless of the end goal of the entity?

TJ admission is kind of a competition. Students compete and the winners get the 550 seats.
TJ should admit the best 550 students.

While I disagree with the implied premise that you have a clue of how to select the best 550 students…

I would ask you - why? Why should TJ admit the best 550 students?

And what makes you think they ever have? I was once one of them many years ago - does that give you confidence that they’ve ever managed to do it?

Because average students could just stay at their home school and get STEM education. A gifted STEM school is for the best of the best.
Only incompetent people are afraid of competition.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The problem is that U.S is quickly becoming a country where people are demanding handouts, no hard work, no accountability, just hand over stuff to us. These things will have big implications down the road.

Liberals who support such policies are notorious for living in mostly white enclaves. Ask me how I know.

I'd counter it's becoming a country where people are demanding fairness and an end to the handouts for the wealthy which allow them to put their thumb on the scale.

TJ (or, more precisely, the middle class Asian community at TJ) was an east target but Langley sure must be laughing their asses off reading this.

The middle class Asian community at TJ wasn’t a target at all. They were already at TJ.

The target was the nine-figure TJ prep industrial complex which was populated mostly by the wealthy whose kids couldn’t get into TJ without it.

No, the goal was to change the racial and socioeconomic demographics.

Otherwise, they would have emphasized inputs that the prep industry can’t really touch like math and science competitions and teacher recs.

The prep industry just shifted focus to the essay. It’s still there.

You want an emphasize on clubs that only exist at a few schools?

If the goal was to eliminate the prep industry then that’s what you’d do. Craft the admissions criteria around inputs the prep industry can’t touch. You can do other things like the teacher recs or put emphasis on a higher GPA like 3.95. Prep industry can’t do much about that.

But no, eliminating the prep industry was never the main goal.

The goal was engineering a different racial and socioeconomic demographic.

Deliberate form of racial suppression by putting number limits on Asian Americans students. 4000+ public schools in United States with majority black students is not a problem, but 1 stem school with majority Asian American students is an unpleasant view for racist school board?

Exactly. Double standard liberal extremist.

That's fake news. There are no limits. It's a race-blind process.

Not true. It is a apparent race-blind process

It is by definition a race-blind process, as it has always been.

We can argue about whether it is a race-neutral process, though that’s largely a silly argument because every ounce of statistical evidence shows that the old process was NOT race-neutral while the new one is. But it is unquestionably race-blind.

Wrong. They just want you to believe it is race-blind.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The problem is that U.S is quickly becoming a country where people are demanding handouts, no hard work, no accountability, just hand over stuff to us. These things will have big implications down the road.

Liberals who support such policies are notorious for living in mostly white enclaves. Ask me how I know.

I'd counter it's becoming a country where people are demanding fairness and an end to the handouts for the wealthy which allow them to put their thumb on the scale.

TJ (or, more precisely, the middle class Asian community at TJ) was an east target but Langley sure must be laughing their asses off reading this.

The middle class Asian community at TJ wasn’t a target at all. They were already at TJ.

The target was the nine-figure TJ prep industrial complex which was populated mostly by the wealthy whose kids couldn’t get into TJ without it.

No, the goal was to change the racial and socioeconomic demographics.

Otherwise, they would have emphasized inputs that the prep industry can’t really touch like math and science competitions and teacher recs.

The prep industry just shifted focus to the essay. It’s still there.

You want an emphasize on clubs that only exist at a few schools?

If the goal was to eliminate the prep industry then that’s what you’d do. Craft the admissions criteria around inputs the prep industry can’t touch. You can do other things like the teacher recs or put emphasis on a higher GPA like 3.95. Prep industry can’t do much about that.

But no, eliminating the prep industry was never the main goal.

The goal was engineering a different racial and socioeconomic demographic.

Deliberate form of racial suppression by putting number limits on Asian Americans students. 4000+ public schools in United States with majority black students is not a problem, but 1 stem school with majority Asian American students is an unpleasant view for racist school board?

Exactly. Double standard liberal extremist.

That's fake news. There are no limits. It's a race-blind process.

No, it is a race-targeted admission process.
TJ admitted 25% fewer Asian students after the new race-targeted admission was put in place.
It is a shady and corrupt process. The admission staff have many ways to cheat and pick their favorite kids in each middle school

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Any opinions on suing FCPS fails to achieve equality and inclusion for Asian American students in sports teams?

Sports teams exist to compete and win games. In the absence of that competitive element, they would be intramurals, which anyone can join if they want to.

No one is suing for more Black kids to get to join the math team either. That would be a decent analogy.

TJ does not exist to top any rankings or win any competitions. Why is that so challenging for you to understand?

Is your mind so simplistic that you expect all selective processes to operate the exact same way regardless of the end goal of the entity?

Really, I thought liberal like you does not want fair competition. Everyone should be the winner, right? It will hurt the loser's feelings.

By fair competition you mean only admitting students who can afford to buy the test?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The problem is that U.S is quickly becoming a country where people are demanding handouts, no hard work, no accountability, just hand over stuff to us. These things will have big implications down the road.

Liberals who support such policies are notorious for living in mostly white enclaves. Ask me how I know.

I'd counter it's becoming a country where people are demanding fairness and an end to the handouts for the wealthy which allow them to put their thumb on the scale.

TJ (or, more precisely, the middle class Asian community at TJ) was an east target but Langley sure must be laughing their asses off reading this.

The middle class Asian community at TJ wasn’t a target at all. They were already at TJ.

The target was the nine-figure TJ prep industrial complex which was populated mostly by the wealthy whose kids couldn’t get into TJ without it.

No, the goal was to change the racial and socioeconomic demographics.

Otherwise, they would have emphasized inputs that the prep industry can’t really touch like math and science competitions and teacher recs.

The prep industry just shifted focus to the essay. It’s still there.

You want an emphasize on clubs that only exist at a few schools?

If the goal was to eliminate the prep industry then that’s what you’d do. Craft the admissions criteria around inputs the prep industry can’t touch. You can do other things like the teacher recs or put emphasis on a higher GPA like 3.95. Prep industry can’t do much about that.

But no, eliminating the prep industry was never the main goal.

The goal was engineering a different racial and socioeconomic demographic.

Deliberate form of racial suppression by putting number limits on Asian Americans students. 4000+ public schools in United States with majority black students is not a problem, but 1 stem school with majority Asian American students is an unpleasant view for racist school board?

Exactly. Double standard liberal extremist.

That's fake news. There are no limits. It's a race-blind process.

Not true. It is a apparent race-blind process

It is by definition a race-blind process, as it has always been.

We can argue about whether it is a race-neutral process, though that’s largely a silly argument because every ounce of statistical evidence shows that the old process was NOT race-neutral while the new one is. But it is unquestionably race-blind.

True but that won't stop the paranoid and crazy right-wing conspiracy nuts from seeing issues where they don't exist.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Any opinions on suing FCPS fails to achieve equality and inclusion for Asian American students in sports teams?

Sports teams exist to compete and win games. In the absence of that competitive element, they would be intramurals, which anyone can join if they want to.

No one is suing for more Black kids to get to join the math team either. That would be a decent analogy.

TJ does not exist to top any rankings or win any competitions. Why is that so challenging for you to understand?

Is your mind so simplistic that you expect all selective processes to operate the exact same way regardless of the end goal of the entity?

Really, I thought liberal like you does not want fair competition. Everyone should be the winner, right? It will hurt the loser's feelings.

By fair competition you mean only admitting students who can afford to buy the test?

So you prefer stealing then. Is that right?