Boycott/ Divest and Pull your College App from All States which violate Our Daughters' Civil Rights

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Anonymous wrote:When will people understand that it isn't about abortion. It is about autonomy. It is about the right of a woman to control her body. Banning abortions is not about abortion, it is about controlling women. I wouldn't get one ever, if my daughter wanted one, I would take her but I would be sad about it. How I feel about abortion or how I feel about anything shouldn't take precedence over another human being's autonomy in a civilized society.

Do you not get the pro-life position at all? They think it’s murder. You can’t tell someone who believes abortion is murder that they should be pro-choice about it. Your focus should be on explaining your views as to why you believe it’s not murder

Whether it is murder is irrelevant. The issue is whether a woman has bodily autonomy in the US period.

PP’s point is that you will not win over / convert many pro-life (anti-abortion) person with the autonomy argument. They consider the fetus a person and among, if not the, most vulnerable of all humans. They believe that having consensual sex (as opposed to rape) means that the adults involved are open to the possibility of creating a new life whether they use birth control or not. If they aren’t open to that then they should abstain. That’s the mindset.

They should recognize that their beliefs are based on their religion and they shouldn’t force their religion on others.

Believe whatever you want in your own home but don’t force it on others.

I’m an atheistic who shares this mindset. And why shouldn’t I “force” this belief on you?
Casey Anthony obviously believed she was within her right to kill her toddler. Is it wrong for us to force our moral objection to this on her?
The point is you need to focus your argument on explaining why it’s not murder. Not simply telling people who feel otherwise that committing murder should be a choice.

Because it’s not legally or morally murder. You aren’t a person until you are born.

So you are okay for a mother to choose to smoke crack, pot, cigs while pregnant? They can drink heavily too because they are not Carrying by a person?

Love the logic from the pro murder crowd!

I'm pro-choice, but this is an excellent point. If the fetus isn't a person, why worry about any of that?

How far down the line are we going to judge and penalize bad parenting?

No one should be forced to carry a pregnancy, give birth, or become a parent against their will. Period.

You can be forced to not use drugs while pregnant and punished afterwards? Why? Because you're pregnant with a developing baby. Not just a clump of cells.

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Anonymous wrote:When will people understand that it isn't about abortion. It is about autonomy. It is about the right of a woman to control her body. Banning abortions is not about abortion, it is about controlling women. I wouldn't get one ever, if my daughter wanted one, I would take her but I would be sad about it. How I feel about abortion or how I feel about anything shouldn't take precedence over another human being's autonomy in a civilized society.

Do you not get the pro-life position at all? They think it’s murder. You can’t tell someone who believes abortion is murder that they should be pro-choice about it. Your focus should be on explaining your views as to why you believe it’s not murder

Whether it is murder is irrelevant. The issue is whether a woman has bodily autonomy in the US period.

PP’s point is that you will not win over / convert many pro-life (anti-abortion) person with the autonomy argument. They consider the fetus a person and among, if not the, most vulnerable of all humans. They believe that having consensual sex (as opposed to rape) means that the adults involved are open to the possibility of creating a new life whether they use birth control or not. If they aren’t open to that then they should abstain. That’s the mindset.

They should recognize that their beliefs are based on their religion and they shouldn’t force their religion on others.

Believe whatever you want in your own home but don’t force it on others.

I’m an atheistic who shares this mindset. And why shouldn’t I “force” this belief on you?
Casey Anthony obviously believed she was within her right to kill her toddler. Is it wrong for us to force our moral objection to this on her?
The point is you need to focus your argument on explaining why it’s not murder. Not simply telling people who feel otherwise that committing murder should be a choice.

Because it’s not legally or morally murder. You aren’t a person until you are born.

So you are okay for a mother to choose to smoke crack, pot, cigs while pregnant? They can drink heavily too because they are not Carrying by a person?

Love the logic from the pro murder crowd!

I'm pro-choice, but this is an excellent point. If the fetus isn't a person, why worry about any of that?

How far down the line are we going to judge and penalize bad parenting?

No one should be forced to carry a pregnancy, give birth, or become a parent against their will. Period.

You're (deliberately?) missing the point. If the fetus isn't a human (according to you), then a pregnant woman is not a parent. So why do you consider it "bad parenting" if a pregnant woman eats poorly and/or uses drugs and alcohol while pregnant?

You are trying way too hard with this and it is tiresome.

Yes - it's generally tiresome when you realize you have no good explanation and have lost an argument. Carry on!

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Anonymous wrote:When will people understand that it isn't about abortion. It is about autonomy. It is about the right of a woman to control her body. Banning abortions is not about abortion, it is about controlling women. I wouldn't get one ever, if my daughter wanted one, I would take her but I would be sad about it. How I feel about abortion or how I feel about anything shouldn't take precedence over another human being's autonomy in a civilized society.

Do you not get the pro-life position at all? They think it’s murder. You can’t tell someone who believes abortion is murder that they should be pro-choice about it. Your focus should be on explaining your views as to why you believe it’s not murder

Whether it is murder is irrelevant. The issue is whether a woman has bodily autonomy in the US period.

PP’s point is that you will not win over / convert many pro-life (anti-abortion) person with the autonomy argument. They consider the fetus a person and among, if not the, most vulnerable of all humans. They believe that having consensual sex (as opposed to rape) means that the adults involved are open to the possibility of creating a new life whether they use birth control or not. If they aren’t open to that then they should abstain. That’s the mindset.

They should recognize that their beliefs are based on their religion and they shouldn’t force their religion on others.

Believe whatever you want in your own home but don’t force it on others.

I’m an atheistic who shares this mindset. And why shouldn’t I “force” this belief on you?
Casey Anthony obviously believed she was within her right to kill her toddler. Is it wrong for us to force our moral objection to this on her?
The point is you need to focus your argument on explaining why it’s not murder. Not simply telling people who feel otherwise that committing murder should be a choice.

Because it’s not legally or morally murder. You aren’t a person until you are born.

So you are okay for a mother to choose to smoke crack, pot, cigs while pregnant? They can drink heavily too because they are not Carrying by a person?

Love the logic from the pro murder crowd!

I'm pro-choice, but this is an excellent point. If the fetus isn't a person, why worry about any of that?

How far down the line are we going to judge and penalize bad parenting?

No one should be forced to carry a pregnancy, give birth, or become a parent against their will. Period.

You're (deliberately?) missing the point. If the fetus isn't a human (according to you), then a pregnant woman is not a parent. So why do you consider it "bad parenting" if a pregnant woman eats poorly and/or uses drugs and alcohol while pregnant?

You are trying way too hard with this and it is tiresome.

Truth can hurt.

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Anonymous wrote:When will people understand that it isn't about abortion. It is about autonomy. It is about the right of a woman to control her body. Banning abortions is not about abortion, it is about controlling women. I wouldn't get one ever, if my daughter wanted one, I would take her but I would be sad about it. How I feel about abortion or how I feel about anything shouldn't take precedence over another human being's autonomy in a civilized society.

Do you not get the pro-life position at all? They think it’s murder. You can’t tell someone who believes abortion is murder that they should be pro-choice about it. Your focus should be on explaining your views as to why you believe it’s not murder

Whether it is murder is irrelevant. The issue is whether a woman has bodily autonomy in the US period.

PP’s point is that you will not win over / convert many pro-life (anti-abortion) person with the autonomy argument. They consider the fetus a person and among, if not the, most vulnerable of all humans. They believe that having consensual sex (as opposed to rape) means that the adults involved are open to the possibility of creating a new life whether they use birth control or not. If they aren’t open to that then they should abstain. That’s the mindset.

They should recognize that their beliefs are based on their religion and they shouldn’t force their religion on others.

Believe whatever you want in your own home but don’t force it on others.

I’m an atheistic who shares this mindset. And why shouldn’t I “force” this belief on you?
Casey Anthony obviously believed she was within her right to kill her toddler. Is it wrong for us to force our moral objection to this on her?
The point is you need to focus your argument on explaining why it’s not murder. Not simply telling people who feel otherwise that committing murder should be a choice.

Because it’s not legally or morally murder. You aren’t a person until you are born.

So you are okay for a mother to choose to smoke crack, pot, cigs while pregnant? They can drink heavily too because they are not Carrying by a person?

Love the logic from the pro murder crowd!

I'm pro-choice, but this is an excellent point. If the fetus isn't a person, why worry about any of that?

How far down the line are we going to judge and penalize bad parenting?

No one should be forced to carry a pregnancy, give birth, or become a parent against their will. Period.

You're (deliberately?) missing the point. If the fetus isn't a human (according to you), then a pregnant woman is not a parent. So why do you consider it "bad parenting" if a pregnant woman eats poorly and/or uses drugs and alcohol while pregnant?

You are trying way too hard with this and it is tiresome.

Yes - it's generally tiresome when you realize you have no good explanation and have lost an argument. Carry on!

+1 yep

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Anonymous wrote:When will people understand that it isn't about abortion. It is about autonomy. It is about the right of a woman to control her body. Banning abortions is not about abortion, it is about controlling women. I wouldn't get one ever, if my daughter wanted one, I would take her but I would be sad about it. How I feel about abortion or how I feel about anything shouldn't take precedence over another human being's autonomy in a civilized society.

Do you not get the pro-life position at all? They think it’s murder. You can’t tell someone who believes abortion is murder that they should be pro-choice about it. Your focus should be on explaining your views as to why you believe it’s not murder

Whether it is murder is irrelevant. The issue is whether a woman has bodily autonomy in the US period.

PP’s point is that you will not win over / convert many pro-life (anti-abortion) person with the autonomy argument. They consider the fetus a person and among, if not the, most vulnerable of all humans. They believe that having consensual sex (as opposed to rape) means that the adults involved are open to the possibility of creating a new life whether they use birth control or not. If they aren’t open to that then they should abstain. That’s the mindset.

They should recognize that their beliefs are based on their religion and they shouldn’t force their religion on others.

Believe whatever you want in your own home but don’t force it on others.

I’m an atheistic who shares this mindset. And why shouldn’t I “force” this belief on you?
Casey Anthony obviously believed she was within her right to kill her toddler. Is it wrong for us to force our moral objection to this on her?
The point is you need to focus your argument on explaining why it’s not murder. Not simply telling people who feel otherwise that committing murder should be a choice.

Because it’s not legally or morally murder. You aren’t a person until you are born.

So you are okay for a mother to choose to smoke crack, pot, cigs while pregnant? They can drink heavily too because they are not Carrying by a person?

Love the logic from the pro murder crowd!

Is it ok to feed your kid crap food or expose them to secondhand smoke?

Parents have made bad choices since the beginning of time. Are you going to judge and penalize them next?

No one should be forced to carry a pregnancy, give birth, or become a parent against their will.

Then act responsibly on the front end. Use birth control.

There are countless reasons why women may not want to be pregnant. Most have nothing to do with birth control.

And none of those women need to justify their reasons to you. Mind your own body.

So individuals can decide what life matters, right? We are each I. Our separate driver’s seat and can pick and chose? If the unborn child has one kidney - abort? Or perhaps a gene for a certain disease that is not curable- driver says abort. My point is that the walk here is a very slippery slope. In a time when we have all witnessed the utter disregard for human life in many situations - we need to approach this issue with caution and respectful discussion.

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Anonymous wrote:When will people understand that it isn't about abortion. It is about autonomy. It is about the right of a woman to control her body. Banning abortions is not about abortion, it is about controlling women. I wouldn't get one ever, if my daughter wanted one, I would take her but I would be sad about it. How I feel about abortion or how I feel about anything shouldn't take precedence over another human being's autonomy in a civilized society.

Do you not get the pro-life position at all? They think it’s murder. You can’t tell someone who believes abortion is murder that they should be pro-choice about it. Your focus should be on explaining your views as to why you believe it’s not murder

Whether it is murder is irrelevant. The issue is whether a woman has bodily autonomy in the US period.

PP’s point is that you will not win over / convert many pro-life (anti-abortion) person with the autonomy argument. They consider the fetus a person and among, if not the, most vulnerable of all humans. They believe that having consensual sex (as opposed to rape) means that the adults involved are open to the possibility of creating a new life whether they use birth control or not. If they aren’t open to that then they should abstain. That’s the mindset.

They should recognize that their beliefs are based on their religion and they shouldn’t force their religion on others.

Believe whatever you want in your own home but don’t force it on others.

I’m an atheistic who shares this mindset. And why shouldn’t I “force” this belief on you?
Casey Anthony obviously believed she was within her right to kill her toddler. Is it wrong for us to force our moral objection to this on her?
The point is you need to focus your argument on explaining why it’s not murder. Not simply telling people who feel otherwise that committing murder should be a choice.

Because it’s not legally or morally murder. You aren’t a person until you are born.

So you are okay for a mother to choose to smoke crack, pot, cigs while pregnant? They can drink heavily too because they are not Carrying by a person?

Love the logic from the pro murder crowd!

I'm pro-choice, but this is an excellent point. If the fetus isn't a person, why worry about any of that?

How far down the line are we going to judge and penalize bad parenting?

No one should be forced to carry a pregnancy, give birth, or become a parent against their will. Period.

You're (deliberately?) missing the point. If the fetus isn't a human (according to you), then a pregnant woman is not a parent. So why do you consider it "bad parenting" if a pregnant woman eats poorly and/or uses drugs and alcohol while pregnant?

You are trying way too hard with this and it is tiresome.

Truth can hurt.

Yawn. Most pregnancies are wanted and the pregnant women tries to have a safe pregnancy and a healthy baby. Some are unwanted and are terminated for many different reasons. None of them are any of your business if they are not yours or of you are not invited in.

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Anonymous wrote:When will people understand that it isn't about abortion. It is about autonomy. It is about the right of a woman to control her body. Banning abortions is not about abortion, it is about controlling women. I wouldn't get one ever, if my daughter wanted one, I would take her but I would be sad about it. How I feel about abortion or how I feel about anything shouldn't take precedence over another human being's autonomy in a civilized society.

Do you not get the pro-life position at all? They think it’s murder. You can’t tell someone who believes abortion is murder that they should be pro-choice about it. Your focus should be on explaining your views as to why you believe it’s not murder

I think it’s murder that some people are dying waiting for a kidney while others have two. They could save that recipient’s life and continue living themselves with a low risk medical procedure. How is this different?

So then, you yourself are a murderer if you currently have two kidneys? Wow. Your "logic" is really... something.
DP

My family has a history of genetic kidney disease. Don’t assume that I have two or that I don’t need one. Anyone who needs an organ (that people can survive without) should be able to get one from a live donor, if infertile women can carry signs that say, “I will adopt your baby!”
It is exactly the same thing. You can compel me to use my body to save the “life” of a fetus but not to save the actual life of a person? No.

This has got to be the worst attempt at an analogy I've ever seen. You make absolutely zero sense. Essentially, you're saying anyone walking around with two kidneys is a "murderer" because they could have/should have donated one of their kidneys. Do you even hear yourself?

Sure. So if the fetus is “alive” (which it would have to be, before it could be “murdered” then go ahead and deliver it. Oh, a first or second trimester fetus can’t survive outside the womb? Guess it isn’t alive, then.

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Anonymous wrote:When will people understand that it isn't about abortion. It is about autonomy. It is about the right of a woman to control her body. Banning abortions is not about abortion, it is about controlling women. I wouldn't get one ever, if my daughter wanted one, I would take her but I would be sad about it. How I feel about abortion or how I feel about anything shouldn't take precedence over another human being's autonomy in a civilized society.

Do you not get the pro-life position at all? They think it’s murder. You can’t tell someone who believes abortion is murder that they should be pro-choice about it. Your focus should be on explaining your views as to why you believe it’s not murder

Whether it is murder is irrelevant. The issue is whether a woman has bodily autonomy in the US period.

PP’s point is that you will not win over / convert many pro-life (anti-abortion) person with the autonomy argument. They consider the fetus a person and among, if not the, most vulnerable of all humans. They believe that having consensual sex (as opposed to rape) means that the adults involved are open to the possibility of creating a new life whether they use birth control or not. If they aren’t open to that then they should abstain. That’s the mindset.

They should recognize that their beliefs are based on their religion and they shouldn’t force their religion on others.

Believe whatever you want in your own home but don’t force it on others.

I’m an atheistic who shares this mindset. And why shouldn’t I “force” this belief on you?
Casey Anthony obviously believed she was within her right to kill her toddler. Is it wrong for us to force our moral objection to this on her?
The point is you need to focus your argument on explaining why it’s not murder. Not simply telling people who feel otherwise that committing murder should be a choice.

Because it’s not legally or morally murder. You aren’t a person until you are born.

So you are okay for a mother to choose to smoke crack, pot, cigs while pregnant? They can drink heavily too because they are not Carrying by a person?

Love the logic from the pro murder crowd!

I'm pro-choice, but this is an excellent point. If the fetus isn't a person, why worry about any of that?

How far down the line are we going to judge and penalize bad parenting?

No one should be forced to carry a pregnancy, give birth, or become a parent against their will. Period.

You're (deliberately?) missing the point. If the fetus isn't a human (according to you), then a pregnant woman is not a parent. So why do you consider it "bad parenting" if a pregnant woman eats poorly and/or uses drugs and alcohol while pregnant?

You are trying way too hard with this and it is tiresome.

Truth can hurt.

Yawn. Most pregnancies are wanted and the pregnant women tries to have a safe pregnancy and a healthy baby. Some are unwanted and are terminated for many different reasons. None of them are any of your business if they are not yours or of you are not invited in.

63 million should be worth more than a yawn.

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Anonymous wrote:When will people understand that it isn't about abortion. It is about autonomy. It is about the right of a woman to control her body. Banning abortions is not about abortion, it is about controlling women. I wouldn't get one ever, if my daughter wanted one, I would take her but I would be sad about it. How I feel about abortion or how I feel about anything shouldn't take precedence over another human being's autonomy in a civilized society.

Do you not get the pro-life position at all? They think it’s murder. You can’t tell someone who believes abortion is murder that they should be pro-choice about it. Your focus should be on explaining your views as to why you believe it’s not murder

I think it’s murder that some people are dying waiting for a kidney while others have two. They could save that recipient’s life and continue living themselves with a low risk medical procedure. How is this different?

So then, you yourself are a murderer if you currently have two kidneys? Wow. Your "logic" is really... something.
DP

My family has a history of genetic kidney disease. Don’t assume that I have two or that I don’t need one. Anyone who needs an organ (that people can survive without) should be able to get one from a live donor, if infertile women can carry signs that say, “I will adopt your baby!”
It is exactly the same thing. You can compel me to use my body to save the “life” of a fetus but not to save the actual life of a person? No.

This has got to be the worst attempt at an analogy I've ever seen. You make absolutely zero sense. Essentially, you're saying anyone walking around with two kidneys is a "murderer" because they could have/should have donated one of their kidneys. Do you even hear yourself?

Sure. So if the fetus is “alive” (which it would have to be, before it could be “murdered” then go ahead and deliver it. Oh, a first or second trimester fetus can’t survive outside the womb? Guess it isn’t alive, then.

With every post, you're proving to be sicker and sicker. Just stop posting and embarrassing yourself.

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Anonymous wrote:When will people understand that it isn't about abortion. It is about autonomy. It is about the right of a woman to control her body. Banning abortions is not about abortion, it is about controlling women. I wouldn't get one ever, if my daughter wanted one, I would take her but I would be sad about it. How I feel about abortion or how I feel about anything shouldn't take precedence over another human being's autonomy in a civilized society.

Do you not get the pro-life position at all? They think it’s murder. You can’t tell someone who believes abortion is murder that they should be pro-choice about it. Your focus should be on explaining your views as to why you believe it’s not murder

Whether it is murder is irrelevant. The issue is whether a woman has bodily autonomy in the US period.

PP’s point is that you will not win over / convert many pro-life (anti-abortion) person with the autonomy argument. They consider the fetus a person and among, if not the, most vulnerable of all humans. They believe that having consensual sex (as opposed to rape) means that the adults involved are open to the possibility of creating a new life whether they use birth control or not. If they aren’t open to that then they should abstain. That’s the mindset.

They should recognize that their beliefs are based on their religion and they shouldn’t force their religion on others.

Believe whatever you want in your own home but don’t force it on others.

I’m an atheistic who shares this mindset. And why shouldn’t I “force” this belief on you?
Casey Anthony obviously believed she was within her right to kill her toddler. Is it wrong for us to force our moral objection to this on her?
The point is you need to focus your argument on explaining why it’s not murder. Not simply telling people who feel otherwise that committing murder should be a choice.

Because it’s not legally or morally murder. You aren’t a person until you are born.

So you are okay for a mother to choose to smoke crack, pot, cigs while pregnant? They can drink heavily too because they are not Carrying by a person?

Love the logic from the pro murder crowd!

I'm pro-choice, but this is an excellent point. If the fetus isn't a person, why worry about any of that?

How far down the line are we going to judge and penalize bad parenting?

No one should be forced to carry a pregnancy, give birth, or become a parent against their will. Period.

You can be forced to not use drugs while pregnant and punished afterwards? Why? Because you're pregnant with a developing baby. Not just a clump of cells.

No, you disingenuous putz, it’s negligent just like you can be held responsible for not pouring the concrete of a new construction building foundation properly thus resulting in a collapse once built and occupied.

Think about how stupid you sound trying to make the argument that “the construction project wasn’t a building yet so how can you be responsible for a weak foundation” is within this context. That’s about how stupid you sound using the same reasoning for a fetus.

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Anonymous wrote:When will people understand that it isn't about abortion. It is about autonomy. It is about the right of a woman to control her body. Banning abortions is not about abortion, it is about controlling women. I wouldn't get one ever, if my daughter wanted one, I would take her but I would be sad about it. How I feel about abortion or how I feel about anything shouldn't take precedence over another human being's autonomy in a civilized society.

Do you not get the pro-life position at all? They think it’s murder. You can’t tell someone who believes abortion is murder that they should be pro-choice about it. Your focus should be on explaining your views as to why you believe it’s not murder

Whether it is murder is irrelevant. The issue is whether a woman has bodily autonomy in the US period.

PP’s point is that you will not win over / convert many pro-life (anti-abortion) person with the autonomy argument. They consider the fetus a person and among, if not the, most vulnerable of all humans. They believe that having consensual sex (as opposed to rape) means that the adults involved are open to the possibility of creating a new life whether they use birth control or not. If they aren’t open to that then they should abstain. That’s the mindset.

They should recognize that their beliefs are based on their religion and they shouldn’t force their religion on others.

Believe whatever you want in your own home but don’t force it on others.

I’m an atheistic who shares this mindset. And why shouldn’t I “force” this belief on you?
Casey Anthony obviously believed she was within her right to kill her toddler. Is it wrong for us to force our moral objection to this on her?
The point is you need to focus your argument on explaining why it’s not murder. Not simply telling people who feel otherwise that committing murder should be a choice.

Because it’s not legally or morally murder. You aren’t a person until you are born.

So you are okay for a mother to choose to smoke crack, pot, cigs while pregnant? They can drink heavily too because they are not Carrying by a person?

Love the logic from the pro murder crowd!

Is it ok to feed your kid crap food or expose them to secondhand smoke?

Parents have made bad choices since the beginning of time. Are you going to judge and penalize them next?

No one should be forced to carry a pregnancy, give birth, or become a parent against their will.

Then act responsibly on the front end. Use birth control.

There are countless reasons why women may not want to be pregnant. Most have nothing to do with birth control.

And none of those women need to justify their reasons to you. Mind your own body.

So individuals can decide what life matters, right? We are each I. Our separate driver’s seat and can pick and chose? If the unborn child has one kidney - abort? Or perhaps a gene for a certain disease that is not curable- driver says abort. My point is that the walk here is a very slippery slope. In a time when we have all witnessed the utter disregard for human life in many situations - we need to approach this issue with caution and respectful discussion.

^^^ This is how religion warps your brain. Here is a human who actually thinks they are making a coherent point. “Check-mate” they smugly say to themselves without any clue in the world.

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So individuals can decide what life matters, right? We are each I. Our separate driver’s seat and can pick and chose? If the unborn child has one kidney - abort? Or perhaps a gene for a certain disease that is not curable- driver says abort. My point is that the walk here is a very slippery slope. In a time when we have all witnessed the utter disregard for human life in many situations - we need to approach this issue with caution and respectful discussion.

Not quite, but you are almost there. Take away the word "matters" and add "women who are pregnant" and you will get it.

Individual women who are pregnant get to decide what life they choose to share their organs and blood and nervous system and digestive system with.

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Anonymous wrote:When will people understand that it isn't about abortion. It is about autonomy. It is about the right of a woman to control her body. Banning abortions is not about abortion, it is about controlling women. I wouldn't get one ever, if my daughter wanted one, I would take her but I would be sad about it. How I feel about abortion or how I feel about anything shouldn't take precedence over another human being's autonomy in a civilized society.

Do you not get the pro-life position at all? They think it’s murder. You can’t tell someone who believes abortion is murder that they should be pro-choice about it. Your focus should be on explaining your views as to why you believe it’s not murder

Whether it is murder is irrelevant. The issue is whether a woman has bodily autonomy in the US period.

PP’s point is that you will not win over / convert many pro-life (anti-abortion) person with the autonomy argument. They consider the fetus a person and among, if not the, most vulnerable of all humans. They believe that having consensual sex (as opposed to rape) means that the adults involved are open to the possibility of creating a new life whether they use birth control or not. If they aren’t open to that then they should abstain. That’s the mindset.

They should recognize that their beliefs are based on their religion and they shouldn’t force their religion on others.

Believe whatever you want in your own home but don’t force it on others.

I’m an atheistic who shares this mindset. And why shouldn’t I “force” this belief on you?
Casey Anthony obviously believed she was within her right to kill her toddler. Is it wrong for us to force our moral objection to this on her?
The point is you need to focus your argument on explaining why it’s not murder. Not simply telling people who feel otherwise that committing murder should be a choice.

Because it’s not legally or morally murder. You aren’t a person until you are born.

So you are okay for a mother to choose to smoke crack, pot, cigs while pregnant? They can drink heavily too because they are not Carrying by a person?

Love the logic from the pro murder crowd!

I'm pro-choice, but this is an excellent point. If the fetus isn't a person, why worry about any of that?

How far down the line are we going to judge and penalize bad parenting?

No one should be forced to carry a pregnancy, give birth, or become a parent against their will. Period.

You're (deliberately?) missing the point. If the fetus isn't a human (according to you), then a pregnant woman is not a parent. So why do you consider it "bad parenting" if a pregnant woman eats poorly and/or uses drugs and alcohol while pregnant?

I never said a fetus isn’t human.

I said it’s not a “person” - not legally.

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So individuals can decide what life matters, right? We are each I. Our separate driver’s seat and can pick and chose? If the unborn child has one kidney - abort? Or perhaps a gene for a certain disease that is not curable- driver says abort. My point is that the walk here is a very slippery slope. In a time when we have all witnessed the utter disregard for human life in many situations - we need to approach this issue with caution and respectful discussion.

Not quite, but you are almost there. Take away the word "matters" and add "women who are pregnant" and you will get it.

Individual women who are pregnant get to decide what life they choose to share their organs and blood and nervous system and digestive system with.

And they decide if they want to give birth.

And they decide if they want to become a parent. (Even a birth parent)

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Anonymous wrote:

So individuals can decide what life matters, right? We are each I. Our separate driver’s seat and can pick and chose? If the unborn child has one kidney - abort? Or perhaps a gene for a certain disease that is not curable- driver says abort. My point is that the walk here is a very slippery slope. In a time when we have all witnessed the utter disregard for human life in many situations - we need to approach this issue with caution and respectful discussion.

Not quite, but you are almost there. Take away the word "matters" and add "women who are pregnant" and you will get it.

Individual women who are pregnant get to decide what life they choose to share their organs and blood and nervous system and digestive system with.

and it isn't a slippery slope at all. If and when a baby is born ill, missing a kidney, or has any other problem, society can then step in and shower that baby with all kind of support. Whatever it needs. All medical care, therapies, treatments and so on. In this way society can show respect for human life.

Make all that happen -- make it EASY or at least EASIER to raise children who are medically fragile, or have Down Syndrome, or any of a number of other issues. Make it so no parent even has to use the word "wait list" when talking about a Medicare waiver for therapies, and so no parent has to fight insurance companies for appropriate services and in home care. Make it so no parent has to quite his or her job to get the kid to therapies and treatments.'

If society can show that kind of love and financial support to ALL children including those with intensive and expensive needs, that would do a lot to reduce the number of abortions that happen because the parents fear they won't be able to provide the support the the medically needy child. But until society is providing that kind of care to already born children, don't make this about the pregnant woman having a disregard for human life. That disregard already exists in society and forcing her to bring the baby to term does nothing to change that.