Wizards and Caps could be moving to Potomac Yard

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Anonymous wrote:This could open up a huge opportunity for Baltimore to bring in NBA and NHL on the waterfront at Middle Branch right off 95. Pull in and unify the valuable market north of the Potomac. The Chesapeake Blue Crabs NHL and bring back Baltimore Bullets for NBA.

This can be win-win. I’ll bet the Md Gov is working on it already.

Baltimore would be behind Seattle and Vegas for NBA expansion (they're both expected to get new teams). I don't think the NBA or NHL would be eager to move a team into a shrinking rust belt city

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Anonymous wrote:The Caps will be fine. It's a good franchise. What they lose in MoCo and NW DC fans attending games, they'll make up with NoVa fans. I'm in MoCo near the DC line. We go to Caps game all the time. I cannot imagine trekking all the way to Potomac Yards for a weeknight game during rush hour. Not happening. But the Virginia fans will be there.

The Wizards are going to suffer. It's been a losing franchise forever with little hope of changing anytime soon. Most of their fan base - such as it is - is DC based. They are not going to Potomac Yards. You need a winning team for people to go through the inconveinience of going to Potomac Yards. It'll be a pretty empty arena for the foreseeable future when it comes to the Wizards.

The real loser, of course, is DC. This is hundreds of millions in lost revenue. All those restaurants in Gallery Place are going to die. It will be impossible to sell a condo in that neighborhood. It was the arena that turned everything around downtown 30 years ago. It will revert back to the crack era so fast it'll make your head spin. The future for downtown DC is bleak.

I blame Bowser and the City Council, of course. Absolute idiots. But the real villain is the USAO. When you decline to prosecute nearly 70 percent of all arrests, there are consequences. Leonsis said it himself. Most of his employees have been attacked and harassed just going to work. No wants that kind of stress in their day to day life. These are all repeat offenders well known to the police. The average murder suspect in DC has 11 felonies - pretty impressive for a teen or someone in their twenties. And USAO does nothing about these violent people.

So people and businesses are leaving DC. Until DC gets serious about putting criminals in prison, the city will continue to decline.

Plenty of people from Loudoun and western Fairfax travel to DC for Nationals BASEBALL(!) games. Plenty via Metro too (shock). Are MD people from Bethesda and CC too provincial to cross the Potomac? I’m sure a few are but C’mon. If you’re a fan, the move to a neighboring DC community won’t be a big deal.

BTW the commute from western Fairfax to Baltimore via car at rush hour is not that much longer than getting to DC for baseball games.

You aren't getting it. The reason people from all corners go to the games in DC is because DC is in the middle of the region with the transit hubs in the city. When you move attractions to one corner or another, it becomes at best inconvenient and at worse burdensome to untenable, to attend. So sure, you have people from western fairfax to Baltimore going to events in DC because it is DC. For people from Baltimore, it is an easy train ride to Union Station and then walk to the Arena or capital bike share to the arena or stadium. Really for people from upper NW DC and Montgomery County, adding an hour commute to attend games on a weeknight during rush hour (not an hour commute, ADDING an hour) is simply not an option for most people.

I'm a different poster but I promise you the owner doesn't think this is an issue. People will absolutely come to these games. I live here and I can tell you that these politicians and business people are looking to redefine this area. A few years ago I went to a local meeting about Amazon HQ coming to Arlington and the leaders running the effort told us that their goal is to make this area (Crystal City/Pentagon City/Potomac Yard/beyond) less car dependent and more metro/bike dependent. They told us that they don't want people dependent on cars. They are trying to build a dynamic metro like city. I believe there will be even greater changes to come that have not been shared yet.

+1. More people will attend the games if they are out of DC. DC is a PITA to get into and, to be frank, the majority of the areas population does not even live there. DC has 700K residents, NOVA has over 3M. NOVA alone could support the sports teams. Plus Baltimore is not coming to Caps/Wizard games - and they are def staying in Balt to support their NFL/MLB teams. NOVA is growing and at a considerably faster rate than DC. Moving the sports teams recognizes and reflects that trend. Glad to see it

I hate to admit it, but this is correct. DC is awful, the parking, the traffic, the pot smoking, the homeless people/druggies strung out all over judiciary square towards Cap One, being scared your car will get broken into, not being able to get an uber after the game, not enough police, it sucks. PY isn't perfect but I am willing to give it a chance over 20+ years of schlepping it out to Cap One. We are season ticket holders for the Nats and it also has become a hellish experience to get there and to get home, whether we drive or use metro.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This could open up a huge opportunity for Baltimore to bring in NBA and NHL on the waterfront at Middle Branch right off 95. Pull in and unify the valuable market north of the Potomac. The Chesapeake Blue Crabs NHL and bring back Baltimore Bullets for NBA.

This can be win-win. I’ll bet the Md Gov is working on it already.

Baltimore would be behind Seattle and Vegas for NBA expansion (they're both expected to get new teams). I don't think the NBA or NHL would be eager to move a team into a shrinking rust belt city

Maryland is the richest state in the country in close quarters. NHL would be huge with that iconic location. NHL is an attendance centered business and with no NBA competition north of the Potomac. If you called it Chesapeake instead of Baltimore you could even pull interest from Delaware.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This could open up a huge opportunity for Baltimore to bring in NBA and NHL on the waterfront at Middle Branch right off 95. Pull in and unify the valuable market north of the Potomac. The Chesapeake Blue Crabs NHL and bring back Baltimore Bullets for NBA.

This can be win-win. I’ll bet the Md Gov is working on it already.

Baltimore would be behind Seattle and Vegas for NBA expansion (they're both expected to get new teams). I don't think the NBA or NHL would be eager to move a team into a shrinking rust belt city

Maryland is the richest state in the country in close quarters. NHL would be huge with that iconic location. NHL is an attendance centered business and with no NBA competition north of the Potomac. If you called it Chesapeake instead of Baltimore you could even pull interest from Delaware.

Baltimore is a small city and Maryland is a small state bordered by states that have hockey teams. The NHL isn't about to risk another coyotes situation

[Anonymous]

Ah, DC. A place where empathizing with the perpetrators of crime over victims is de rigeur and, as shown, helps push out and capital investment.

A place unfriendly for business owners. Oh of course an investment friendly climate with low taxes would exacerbate wealth inequality or whatever by creating a climate where folks want to invest, so we can’t do that.

No, let’s just become another Baltimore.

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Anonymous wrote:This could open up a huge opportunity for Baltimore to bring in NBA and NHL on the waterfront at Middle Branch right off 95. Pull in and unify the valuable market north of the Potomac. The Chesapeake Blue Crabs NHL and bring back Baltimore Bullets for NBA.

This can be win-win. I’ll bet the Md Gov is working on it already.

Baltimore would be behind Seattle and Vegas for NBA expansion (they're both expected to get new teams). I don't think the NBA or NHL would be eager to move a team into a shrinking rust belt city

Maryland is the richest state in the country in close quarters. NHL would be huge with that iconic location. NHL is an attendance centered business and with no NBA competition north of the Potomac. If you called it Chesapeake instead of Baltimore you could even pull interest from Delaware.

Agree. In Moco I’d rather take intercounty to 95 to see the “blue crabs” on the water and go to Nicks fish house before the game.

[Anonymous]

The Wizards are a sickly franchise. I wouldn’t even go to a moribund Wizards game if I had floor seats for free. When Ovi retires I’m sure the caps will be blah as well. Something is seriously wrong with the DC sports scene.

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Anonymous wrote:The Caps will be fine. It's a good franchise. What they lose in MoCo and NW DC fans attending games, they'll make up with NoVa fans. I'm in MoCo near the DC line. We go to Caps game all the time. I cannot imagine trekking all the way to Potomac Yards for a weeknight game during rush hour. Not happening. But the Virginia fans will be there.

The Wizards are going to suffer. It's been a losing franchise forever with little hope of changing anytime soon. Most of their fan base - such as it is - is DC based. They are not going to Potomac Yards. You need a winning team for people to go through the inconveinience of going to Potomac Yards. It'll be a pretty empty arena for the foreseeable future when it comes to the Wizards.

The real loser, of course, is DC. This is hundreds of millions in lost revenue. All those restaurants in Gallery Place are going to die. It will be impossible to sell a condo in that neighborhood. It was the arena that turned everything around downtown 30 years ago. It will revert back to the crack era so fast it'll make your head spin. The future for downtown DC is bleak.

I blame Bowser and the City Council, of course. Absolute idiots. But the real villain is the USAO. When you decline to prosecute nearly 70 percent of all arrests, there are consequences. Leonsis said it himself. Most of his employees have been attacked and harassed just going to work. No wants that kind of stress in their day to day life. These are all repeat offenders well known to the police. The average murder suspect in DC has 11 felonies - pretty impressive for a teen or someone in their twenties. And USAO does nothing about these violent people.

So people and businesses are leaving DC. Until DC gets serious about putting criminals in prison, the city will continue to decline.

Plenty of people from Loudoun and western Fairfax travel to DC for Nationals BASEBALL(!) games. Plenty via Metro too (shock). Are MD people from Bethesda and CC too provincial to cross the Potomac? I’m sure a few are but C’mon. If you’re a fan, the move to a neighboring DC community won’t be a big deal.

BTW the commute from western Fairfax to Baltimore via car at rush hour is not that much longer than getting to DC for baseball games.

You aren't getting it. The reason people from all corners go to the games in DC is because DC is in the middle of the region with the transit hubs in the city. When you move attractions to one corner or another, it becomes at best inconvenient and at worse burdensome to untenable, to attend. So sure, you have people from western fairfax to Baltimore going to events in DC because it is DC. For people from Baltimore, it is an easy train ride to Union Station and then walk to the Arena or capital bike share to the arena or stadium. Really for people from upper NW DC and Montgomery County, adding an hour commute to attend games on a weeknight during rush hour (not an hour commute, ADDING an hour) is simply not an option for most people.

I'm a different poster but I promise you the owner doesn't think this is an issue. People will absolutely come to these games. I live here and I can tell you that these politicians and business people are looking to redefine this area. A few years ago I went to a local meeting about Amazon HQ coming to Arlington and the leaders running the effort told us that their goal is to make this area (Crystal City/Pentagon City/Potomac Yard/beyond) less car dependent and more metro/bike dependent. They told us that they don't want people dependent on cars. They are trying to build a dynamic metro like city. I believe there will be even greater changes to come that have not been shared yet.

+1. More people will attend the games if they are out of DC. DC is a PITA to get into and, to be frank, the majority of the areas population does not even live there. DC has 700K residents, NOVA has over 3M. NOVA alone could support the sports teams. Plus Baltimore is not coming to Caps/Wizard games - and they are def staying in Balt to support their NFL/MLB teams. NOVA is growing and at a considerably faster rate than DC. Moving the sports teams recognizes and reflects that trend. Glad to see it

I hate to admit it, but this is correct. DC is awful, the parking, the traffic, the pot smoking, the homeless people/druggies strung out all over judiciary square towards Cap One, being scared your car will get broken into, not being able to get an uber after the game, not enough police, it sucks. PY isn't perfect but I am willing to give it a chance over 20+ years of schlepping it out to Cap One. We are season ticket holders for the Nats and it also has become a hellish experience to get there and to get home, whether we drive or use metro.

There are multiple ways in and out of Cap One. There is just one road for PY. One road that is already a huge mess. Before you add 30k workers and thousands of sports fans.

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Anonymous wrote:This could open up a huge opportunity for Baltimore to bring in NBA and NHL on the waterfront at Middle Branch right off 95. Pull in and unify the valuable market north of the Potomac. The Chesapeake Blue Crabs NHL and bring back Baltimore Bullets for NBA.

This can be win-win. I’ll bet the Md Gov is working on it already.

Baltimore would be behind Seattle and Vegas for NBA expansion (they're both expected to get new teams). I don't think the NBA or NHL would be eager to move a team into a shrinking rust belt city

Maryland is the richest state in the country in close quarters. NHL would be huge with that iconic location. NHL is an attendance centered business and with no NBA competition north of the Potomac. If you called it Chesapeake instead of Baltimore you could even pull interest from Delaware.

You can say this all you want, but not gonna happen. Vegas and Seattle are next at a 4-5 billion price of entry.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The Caps will be fine. It's a good franchise. What they lose in MoCo and NW DC fans attending games, they'll make up with NoVa fans. I'm in MoCo near the DC line. We go to Caps game all the time. I cannot imagine trekking all the way to Potomac Yards for a weeknight game during rush hour. Not happening. But the Virginia fans will be there.

The Wizards are going to suffer. It's been a losing franchise forever with little hope of changing anytime soon. Most of their fan base - such as it is - is DC based. They are not going to Potomac Yards. You need a winning team for people to go through the inconveinience of going to Potomac Yards. It'll be a pretty empty arena for the foreseeable future when it comes to the Wizards.

The real loser, of course, is DC. This is hundreds of millions in lost revenue. All those restaurants in Gallery Place are going to die. It will be impossible to sell a condo in that neighborhood. It was the arena that turned everything around downtown 30 years ago. It will revert back to the crack era so fast it'll make your head spin. The future for downtown DC is bleak.

I blame Bowser and the City Council, of course. Absolute idiots. But the real villain is the USAO. When you decline to prosecute nearly 70 percent of all arrests, there are consequences. Leonsis said it himself. Most of his employees have been attacked and harassed just going to work. No wants that kind of stress in their day to day life. These are all repeat offenders well known to the police. The average murder suspect in DC has 11 felonies - pretty impressive for a teen or someone in their twenties. And USAO does nothing about these violent people.

So people and businesses are leaving DC. Until DC gets serious about putting criminals in prison, the city will continue to decline.

Plenty of people from Loudoun and western Fairfax travel to DC for Nationals BASEBALL(!) games. Plenty via Metro too (shock). Are MD people from Bethesda and CC too provincial to cross the Potomac? I’m sure a few are but C’mon. If you’re a fan, the move to a neighboring DC community won’t be a big deal.

BTW the commute from western Fairfax to Baltimore via car at rush hour is not that much longer than getting to DC for baseball games.

You aren't getting it. The reason people from all corners go to the games in DC is because DC is in the middle of the region with the transit hubs in the city. When you move attractions to one corner or another, it becomes at best inconvenient and at worse burdensome to untenable, to attend. So sure, you have people from western fairfax to Baltimore going to events in DC because it is DC. For people from Baltimore, it is an easy train ride to Union Station and then walk to the Arena or capital bike share to the arena or stadium. Really for people from upper NW DC and Montgomery County, adding an hour commute to attend games on a weeknight during rush hour (not an hour commute, ADDING an hour) is simply not an option for most people.

I'm a different poster but I promise you the owner doesn't think this is an issue. People will absolutely come to these games. I live here and I can tell you that these politicians and business people are looking to redefine this area. A few years ago I went to a local meeting about Amazon HQ coming to Arlington and the leaders running the effort told us that their goal is to make this area (Crystal City/Pentagon City/Potomac Yard/beyond) less car dependent and more metro/bike dependent. They told us that they don't want people dependent on cars. They are trying to build a dynamic metro like city. I believe there will be even greater changes to come that have not been shared yet.

+1. More people will attend the games if they are out of DC. DC is a PITA to get into and, to be frank, the majority of the areas population does not even live there. DC has 700K residents, NOVA has over 3M. NOVA alone could support the sports teams. Plus Baltimore is not coming to Caps/Wizard games - and they are def staying in Balt to support their NFL/MLB teams. NOVA is growing and at a considerably faster rate than DC. Moving the sports teams recognizes and reflects that trend. Glad to see it

Virginia is the 12 most populous state. States 1-11, 13-22 all have professional sports teams. It shouldn't be surprising that they finally got one

Suburbs don’t get professional sports teams. See CT.

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Anonymous wrote:The Caps will be fine. It's a good franchise. What they lose in MoCo and NW DC fans attending games, they'll make up with NoVa fans. I'm in MoCo near the DC line. We go to Caps game all the time. I cannot imagine trekking all the way to Potomac Yards for a weeknight game during rush hour. Not happening. But the Virginia fans will be there.

The Wizards are going to suffer. It's been a losing franchise forever with little hope of changing anytime soon. Most of their fan base - such as it is - is DC based. They are not going to Potomac Yards. You need a winning team for people to go through the inconveinience of going to Potomac Yards. It'll be a pretty empty arena for the foreseeable future when it comes to the Wizards.

The real loser, of course, is DC. This is hundreds of millions in lost revenue. All those restaurants in Gallery Place are going to die. It will be impossible to sell a condo in that neighborhood. It was the arena that turned everything around downtown 30 years ago. It will revert back to the crack era so fast it'll make your head spin. The future for downtown DC is bleak.

I blame Bowser and the City Council, of course. Absolute idiots. But the real villain is the USAO. When you decline to prosecute nearly 70 percent of all arrests, there are consequences. Leonsis said it himself. Most of his employees have been attacked and harassed just going to work. No wants that kind of stress in their day to day life. These are all repeat offenders well known to the police. The average murder suspect in DC has 11 felonies - pretty impressive for a teen or someone in their twenties. And USAO does nothing about these violent people.

So people and businesses are leaving DC. Until DC gets serious about putting criminals in prison, the city will continue to decline.

Plenty of people from Loudoun and western Fairfax travel to DC for Nationals BASEBALL(!) games. Plenty via Metro too (shock). Are MD people from Bethesda and CC too provincial to cross the Potomac? I’m sure a few are but C’mon. If you’re a fan, the move to a neighboring DC community won’t be a big deal.

BTW the commute from western Fairfax to Baltimore via car at rush hour is not that much longer than getting to DC for baseball games.

You aren't getting it. The reason people from all corners go to the games in DC is because DC is in the middle of the region with the transit hubs in the city. When you move attractions to one corner or another, it becomes at best inconvenient and at worse burdensome to untenable, to attend. So sure, you have people from western fairfax to Baltimore going to events in DC because it is DC. For people from Baltimore, it is an easy train ride to Union Station and then walk to the Arena or capital bike share to the arena or stadium. Really for people from upper NW DC and Montgomery County, adding an hour commute to attend games on a weeknight during rush hour (not an hour commute, ADDING an hour) is simply not an option for most people.

I'm a different poster but I promise you the owner doesn't think this is an issue. People will absolutely come to these games. I live here and I can tell you that these politicians and business people are looking to redefine this area. A few years ago I went to a local meeting about Amazon HQ coming to Arlington and the leaders running the effort told us that their goal is to make this area (Crystal City/Pentagon City/Potomac Yard/beyond) less car dependent and more metro/bike dependent. They told us that they don't want people dependent on cars. They are trying to build a dynamic metro like city. I believe there will be even greater changes to come that have not been shared yet.

+1. More people will attend the games if they are out of DC. DC is a PITA to get into and, to be frank, the majority of the areas population does not even live there. DC has 700K residents, NOVA has over 3M. NOVA alone could support the sports teams. Plus Baltimore is not coming to Caps/Wizard games - and they are def staying in Balt to support their NFL/MLB teams. NOVA is growing and at a considerably faster rate than DC. Moving the sports teams recognizes and reflects that trend. Glad to see it

I hate to admit it, but this is correct. DC is awful, the parking, the traffic, the pot smoking, the homeless people/druggies strung out all over judiciary square towards Cap One, being scared your car will get broken into, not being able to get an uber after the game, not enough police, it sucks. PY isn't perfect but I am willing to give it a chance over 20+ years of schlepping it out to Cap One. We are season ticket holders for the Nats and it also has become a hellish experience to get there and to get home, whether we drive or use metro.

There are multiple ways in and out of Cap One. There is just one road for PY. One road that is already a huge mess. Before you add 30k workers and thousands of sports fans.

There are multiple ways to get to PY. I’m not a fan of moving the teams bc I live in Alexandria and I am worried it will be a mess but suddenly acting like Gallery Place was smooth sailing is ridiculous and what got us to this point. I would rather deal with going to Cap One’s new music hall in Tyson’s (which is actually pretty nice) then deal with getting to Cap One or the Anthem if I had a choice.

Blame this on Bowser.

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Anonymous wrote:The Caps will be fine. It's a good franchise. What they lose in MoCo and NW DC fans attending games, they'll make up with NoVa fans. I'm in MoCo near the DC line. We go to Caps game all the time. I cannot imagine trekking all the way to Potomac Yards for a weeknight game during rush hour. Not happening. But the Virginia fans will be there.

The Wizards are going to suffer. It's been a losing franchise forever with little hope of changing anytime soon. Most of their fan base - such as it is - is DC based. They are not going to Potomac Yards. You need a winning team for people to go through the inconveinience of going to Potomac Yards. It'll be a pretty empty arena for the foreseeable future when it comes to the Wizards.

The real loser, of course, is DC. This is hundreds of millions in lost revenue. All those restaurants in Gallery Place are going to die. It will be impossible to sell a condo in that neighborhood. It was the arena that turned everything around downtown 30 years ago. It will revert back to the crack era so fast it'll make your head spin. The future for downtown DC is bleak.

I blame Bowser and the City Council, of course. Absolute idiots. But the real villain is the USAO. When you decline to prosecute nearly 70 percent of all arrests, there are consequences. Leonsis said it himself. Most of his employees have been attacked and harassed just going to work. No wants that kind of stress in their day to day life. These are all repeat offenders well known to the police. The average murder suspect in DC has 11 felonies - pretty impressive for a teen or someone in their twenties. And USAO does nothing about these violent people.

So people and businesses are leaving DC. Until DC gets serious about putting criminals in prison, the city will continue to decline.

Plenty of people from Loudoun and western Fairfax travel to DC for Nationals BASEBALL(!) games. Plenty via Metro too (shock). Are MD people from Bethesda and CC too provincial to cross the Potomac? I’m sure a few are but C’mon. If you’re a fan, the move to a neighboring DC community won’t be a big deal.

BTW the commute from western Fairfax to Baltimore via car at rush hour is not that much longer than getting to DC for baseball games.

You aren't getting it. The reason people from all corners go to the games in DC is because DC is in the middle of the region with the transit hubs in the city. When you move attractions to one corner or another, it becomes at best inconvenient and at worse burdensome to untenable, to attend. So sure, you have people from western fairfax to Baltimore going to events in DC because it is DC. For people from Baltimore, it is an easy train ride to Union Station and then walk to the Arena or capital bike share to the arena or stadium. Really for people from upper NW DC and Montgomery County, adding an hour commute to attend games on a weeknight during rush hour (not an hour commute, ADDING an hour) is simply not an option for most people.

I'm a different poster but I promise you the owner doesn't think this is an issue. People will absolutely come to these games. I live here and I can tell you that these politicians and business people are looking to redefine this area. A few years ago I went to a local meeting about Amazon HQ coming to Arlington and the leaders running the effort told us that their goal is to make this area (Crystal City/Pentagon City/Potomac Yard/beyond) less car dependent and more metro/bike dependent. They told us that they don't want people dependent on cars. They are trying to build a dynamic metro like city. I believe there will be even greater changes to come that have not been shared yet.

+1. More people will attend the games if they are out of DC. DC is a PITA to get into and, to be frank, the majority of the areas population does not even live there. DC has 700K residents, NOVA has over 3M. NOVA alone could support the sports teams. Plus Baltimore is not coming to Caps/Wizard games - and they are def staying in Balt to support their NFL/MLB teams. NOVA is growing and at a considerably faster rate than DC. Moving the sports teams recognizes and reflects that trend. Glad to see it

And it’s even more of a PITA to get in and out of PY.

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Anonymous wrote:The Caps will be fine. It's a good franchise. What they lose in MoCo and NW DC fans attending games, they'll make up with NoVa fans. I'm in MoCo near the DC line. We go to Caps game all the time. I cannot imagine trekking all the way to Potomac Yards for a weeknight game during rush hour. Not happening. But the Virginia fans will be there.

The Wizards are going to suffer. It's been a losing franchise forever with little hope of changing anytime soon. Most of their fan base - such as it is - is DC based. They are not going to Potomac Yards. You need a winning team for people to go through the inconveinience of going to Potomac Yards. It'll be a pretty empty arena for the foreseeable future when it comes to the Wizards.

The real loser, of course, is DC. This is hundreds of millions in lost revenue. All those restaurants in Gallery Place are going to die. It will be impossible to sell a condo in that neighborhood. It was the arena that turned everything around downtown 30 years ago. It will revert back to the crack era so fast it'll make your head spin. The future for downtown DC is bleak.

I blame Bowser and the City Council, of course. Absolute idiots. But the real villain is the USAO. When you decline to prosecute nearly 70 percent of all arrests, there are consequences. Leonsis said it himself. Most of his employees have been attacked and harassed just going to work. No wants that kind of stress in their day to day life. These are all repeat offenders well known to the police. The average murder suspect in DC has 11 felonies - pretty impressive for a teen or someone in their twenties. And USAO does nothing about these violent people.

So people and businesses are leaving DC. Until DC gets serious about putting criminals in prison, the city will continue to decline.

Plenty of people from Loudoun and western Fairfax travel to DC for Nationals BASEBALL(!) games. Plenty via Metro too (shock). Are MD people from Bethesda and CC too provincial to cross the Potomac? I’m sure a few are but C’mon. If you’re a fan, the move to a neighboring DC community won’t be a big deal.

BTW the commute from western Fairfax to Baltimore via car at rush hour is not that much longer than getting to DC for baseball games.

You aren't getting it. The reason people from all corners go to the games in DC is because DC is in the middle of the region with the transit hubs in the city. When you move attractions to one corner or another, it becomes at best inconvenient and at worse burdensome to untenable, to attend. So sure, you have people from western fairfax to Baltimore going to events in DC because it is DC. For people from Baltimore, it is an easy train ride to Union Station and then walk to the Arena or capital bike share to the arena or stadium. Really for people from upper NW DC and Montgomery County, adding an hour commute to attend games on a weeknight during rush hour (not an hour commute, ADDING an hour) is simply not an option for most people.

I'm a different poster but I promise you the owner doesn't think this is an issue. People will absolutely come to these games. I live here and I can tell you that these politicians and business people are looking to redefine this area. A few years ago I went to a local meeting about Amazon HQ coming to Arlington and the leaders running the effort told us that their goal is to make this area (Crystal City/Pentagon City/Potomac Yard/beyond) less car dependent and more metro/bike dependent. They told us that they don't want people dependent on cars. They are trying to build a dynamic metro like city. I believe there will be even greater changes to come that have not been shared yet.

+1. More people will attend the games if they are out of DC. DC is a PITA to get into and, to be frank, the majority of the areas population does not even live there. DC has 700K residents, NOVA has over 3M. NOVA alone could support the sports teams. Plus Baltimore is not coming to Caps/Wizard games - and they are def staying in Balt to support their NFL/MLB teams. NOVA is growing and at a considerably faster rate than DC. Moving the sports teams recognizes and reflects that trend. Glad to see it

Virginia is the 12 most populous state. States 1-11, 13-22 all have professional sports teams. It shouldn't be surprising that they finally got one

Suburbs don’t get professional sports teams. See CT.

You again with the CT example? Who hurt you? I’m so sorry.

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Anonymous wrote:If DC (and MD for that matter) just made their tax policy competitive with VA, it would be a different story.

Safety is easy, Leonsis could hire a private security team outside Cap One if he was treated fairly from a tax standpoint.

MD and DC are going to continue to spiral until they get competitive.

I live in MD making about 750k. I truly think about the additional 3% or so of income tax in playing - would cover my daughters day care. I can pretty much see VA from my home in Bethesda..

I guess you don't get that the tax/fee burden for DC individuals is lower than VA or MD, right? Look at the studies, this myth that VA is some sort of tax haven compared to the neighboring jurisdictions has been pure fantasy for years.

I’m a CPA, you’re factually incorrect.

Va is the best, then DC, the MD. If you’re poor, sure DC is great.

Then you aren't much of a CPA

https://eliresidential.com/2019/02/19/2019-2-18-does-virginia-washington-dc-or-maryland-have-the-most-favorable-taxes/

I can provide many other links that show the same thing - YOU are factually incorrect.

DC will never offer the sports play book area VA can. Simple, DC need to legalize gambling to have a skin in the game.

NoVA is already moving in a casino in Fairfax unfortunately. I hope it gets quashed but the developer is persistent.

Casinos are so trashy. MGM level is barely tolerable to me. The rest are disgusting human debris collectors.

Agree but how does your comment come t to the previous two posts?

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Anonymous wrote:The Caps will be fine. It's a good franchise. What they lose in MoCo and NW DC fans attending games, they'll make up with NoVa fans. I'm in MoCo near the DC line. We go to Caps game all the time. I cannot imagine trekking all the way to Potomac Yards for a weeknight game during rush hour. Not happening. But the Virginia fans will be there.

The Wizards are going to suffer. It's been a losing franchise forever with little hope of changing anytime soon. Most of their fan base - such as it is - is DC based. They are not going to Potomac Yards. You need a winning team for people to go through the inconveinience of going to Potomac Yards. It'll be a pretty empty arena for the foreseeable future when it comes to the Wizards.

The real loser, of course, is DC. This is hundreds of millions in lost revenue. All those restaurants in Gallery Place are going to die. It will be impossible to sell a condo in that neighborhood. It was the arena that turned everything around downtown 30 years ago. It will revert back to the crack era so fast it'll make your head spin. The future for downtown DC is bleak.

I blame Bowser and the City Council, of course. Absolute idiots. But the real villain is the USAO. When you decline to prosecute nearly 70 percent of all arrests, there are consequences. Leonsis said it himself. Most of his employees have been attacked and harassed just going to work. No wants that kind of stress in their day to day life. These are all repeat offenders well known to the police. The average murder suspect in DC has 11 felonies - pretty impressive for a teen or someone in their twenties. And USAO does nothing about these violent people.

So people and businesses are leaving DC. Until DC gets serious about putting criminals in prison, the city will continue to decline.

Plenty of people from Loudoun and western Fairfax travel to DC for Nationals BASEBALL(!) games. Plenty via Metro too (shock). Are MD people from Bethesda and CC too provincial to cross the Potomac? I’m sure a few are but C’mon. If you’re a fan, the move to a neighboring DC community won’t be a big deal.

BTW the commute from western Fairfax to Baltimore via car at rush hour is not that much longer than getting to DC for baseball games.

You aren't getting it. The reason people from all corners go to the games in DC is because DC is in the middle of the region with the transit hubs in the city. When you move attractions to one corner or another, it becomes at best inconvenient and at worse burdensome to untenable, to attend. So sure, you have people from western fairfax to Baltimore going to events in DC because it is DC. For people from Baltimore, it is an easy train ride to Union Station and then walk to the Arena or capital bike share to the arena or stadium. Really for people from upper NW DC and Montgomery County, adding an hour commute to attend games on a weeknight during rush hour (not an hour commute, ADDING an hour) is simply not an option for most people.

I'm a different poster but I promise you the owner doesn't think this is an issue. People will absolutely come to these games. I live here and I can tell you that these politicians and business people are looking to redefine this area. A few years ago I went to a local meeting about Amazon HQ coming to Arlington and the leaders running the effort told us that their goal is to make this area (Crystal City/Pentagon City/Potomac Yard/beyond) less car dependent and more metro/bike dependent. They told us that they don't want people dependent on cars. They are trying to build a dynamic metro like city. I believe there will be even greater changes to come that have not been shared yet.

+1. More people will attend the games if they are out of DC. DC is a PITA to get into and, to be frank, the majority of the areas population does not even live there. DC has 700K residents, NOVA has over 3M. NOVA alone could support the sports teams. Plus Baltimore is not coming to Caps/Wizard games - and they are def staying in Balt to support their NFL/MLB teams. NOVA is growing and at a considerably faster rate than DC. Moving the sports teams recognizes and reflects that trend. Glad to see it

I hate to admit it, but this is correct. DC is awful, the parking, the traffic, the pot smoking, the homeless people/druggies strung out all over judiciary square towards Cap One, being scared your car will get broken into, not being able to get an uber after the game, not enough police, it sucks. PY isn't perfect but I am willing to give it a chance over 20+ years of schlepping it out to Cap One. We are season ticket holders for the Nats and it also has become a hellish experience to get there and to get home, whether we drive or use metro.

There are multiple ways in and out of Cap One. There is just one road for PY. One road that is already a huge mess. Before you add 30k workers and thousands of sports fans.

There are multiple ways to get to PY. I’m not a fan of moving the teams bc I live in Alexandria and I am worried it will be a mess but suddenly acting like Gallery Place was smooth sailing is ridiculous and what got us to this point. I would rather deal with going to Cap One’s new music hall in Tyson’s (which is actually pretty nice) then deal with getting to Cap One or the Anthem if I had a choice.

Blame this on Bowser.

There’s just Rt 1.

And Metro access is worse - only blue/yellow line.

Re: transportation, PY sucks.